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2004: Year of the Penguin?

houseofmore writes "The Toronto star suggests that things are looking good for the Linux desktop this year as more heavy weight commercial vendors get behind it, including HP, Novell, IBM, Sun and... Walmart. It also mentions Red Hat's plan to offer a new corporate desktop edition of their enterprise desktop sometime this year. The article states that more and more companies are considering (and) switching to Linux for their desktop due to expensive Windows licensing fees and high-profile security vulnerabilities."

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  1. Maybe when... by spungo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - one of the big vendors decide to publicly ship a consumer desktop machine with a GNU/Linux install (or even a dual install), will I start to think that the challenge is on.

    1. Re:Maybe when... by newell_nicosia · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have to agree. I am a big Linux fan for server apps and writing code. But when it comes to desktop integration and cool little games and utilities, I still have to choose evil MS Windows. The day my mother (who is a total technophobe) can turn on a linux machine and not feel any discomfort is the day when I know Linux has a fair fight with Windows. Unfortunately, that day has not yet arrived. Let's face it, there are a vast majority of computer users out there who do not know what the word "compile" means.

  2. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't we hear this every year?

    1. Re:Seriously... by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anybody thinks MS is weaker today because the last 5 years was "the year of linux"?

      Kind of.

      (1999)
      Slashbot: "This is teh year of Linux!!!!"
      Customer: "What's Linux?"
      Microsoft: "What's Linux? *CHACHING*"

      (2000)
      Slashbot: "This is teh year of Linux!!!!"
      Customer: "Linux? Geek toy."
      Microsoft: "Linux? Pffft. *CHACHING*"

      (2001)
      Slashbot: "This is teh year of Linux!!!!"
      Customer: "Gah, viruses - no time to look!!"
      Microsoft: "Ya, sure. We heard some of our customers ask about it in passing. *chaching*"

      (2002)
      Slashbot: "This is teh year of Linux!!!!"
      IBM: "Dude, learn how to spell..."
      Customer: "IBM? Linux? Lemme see what this is all about, OK?"
      Microsoft: "Hmmmm... You guys are getting irritating for our salesdroids. Cut it out or we'll FUD you to death. *CHACHING*"

      (2003)
      Slashbot: "This is the year of Linux!!!!"
      Customer: "Nice, but not yet. This needs fixing here, and this over here could be..."
      Microsoft: "Whoa now, this is getting serious. Send out the Marketing Dept. FUD riders!!! *chaching*"

      (2004)
      Slashbot: "This is the year of Linux."
      Customer: "Hey, this Linux thingy is worth looking at now - still kinds rough in spots though. Can it do $FUNCTION1? Cool. And $FUNCTION2? What about $FUNCTIONn..."
      Microsoft: "WTF??? The FUD Riders failed? Call in the Tactical Lawsuits - we're in trouble! *chaching?*"

      Weaker? Probably not. However, Microsofts feet are being held to the fire by the interest Linux is creating - you can be sure of that.

      Soko

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    2. Re:Seriously... by DrCode · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and now it's time for everyone with a specialized need to proclaim how "Linux will never catch on because the software my company uses to layout dovetails for antique desk reproductions only runs on Windows."

  3. Will it ever end? by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Previous headlines in the Toronto Star:

    4/2003: "2003: The Year of the Penguin?"
    4/2002: "2002: The Year of the Penguin?"
    4/2001: "2001: The Year of the Penguin?"
    4/2000: "2000: The Year of the Penguin?"
    4/1999: "1999: The Year of the Penguin?"

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    1. Re:Will it ever end? by illuminata · · Score: 4, Funny

      That'd really fuck up the Chinese calendar if those headlines came true.

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    2. Re:Will it ever end? by good(k)night · · Score: 3, Funny

      or maybe it should be:

      1/4/2004: "2004: The Year of the Penguin?"
      1/4/2003: "2003: The Year of the Penguin?"
      [..]

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    3. Re:Will it ever end? by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Toronto Star posts it every year

      Slashdot posts it every month

      Slashdot wins!

    4. Re:Will it ever end? by general_re · · Score: 4, Funny
      1999 is the Year Of The Penguin. And 2002. And 2003. But 2001 apparently wasn't, for some reason.

      2000 was also the Year Of The Penguin, but that turned out to be a bad thing...

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  4. Sounds Familiar by bsharitt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Okay, we were wrong in 2001, 2002, and 2003, but we really mean it this time.

    I hope it does happen this year though.

    1. Re:Sounds Familiar by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From what I've seen so far, there are only two possible desktops for the average user:

      1. SuSE
      2. Java Desktop System (SuSE based)

      I haven't had a chance to try Xandros, so that may be a competitor as well. The biggest problem is that the Linux developers have to get off their high horse and make binary distribution as easy as source distribution. SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, etc. are all Linux, but all need different RPM files. And then some RPMs may not match the version of libc/glibc you use.

      What's the standard solution? "Just recompile it."

      That is *not* acceptable for the average end user. Take a look at Mac OS X. They got it right. You download the DMG, it mounts as a folder, you copy the "program" (really a folder that the OS makes look like a file) to your Applications directory. Done.

      Linux OTOH, goes like this: Find the RPM you want. Try to install and get a list of dependencies. Go track down every dependency you need (because you should already have libart_gpl and libtheora, right?!) and then install the dependencies. After spending and hour or two just to install one piece of software, log out and log back in so the menus update. Then try to run the software and hope that you didn't accidently install an incompatible binary. ARRRGGGHHH!!!

    2. Re:Sounds Familiar by Overt+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Exactly. The state of Linux right now is still similar to a car designed by auto enthusiasts -- if you know what you're doing (and enjoy doing it, to boot), it's relatively easy to use and maintain.

      But the average person doesn't tinker under the hood of their car much, or at all. (Heck, most people don't even change their own oil these days.) They just want a product that works with little to no detailed knowledge of what's actually going on, and rely on support (mechanics, JiffyLube, whatever) for keeping the thing working properly.

      Same for operating systems -- most users aren't going to want to spend the time or energy learning how to maintain their own system. Linux "for the masses" will require a system that can be maintained with a minimum amount of effort from the end user. In a corporate setting, this is less important because those machines would be administered by IT specialists, but in a personal/home setting, self-maintaining systems are a must.

  5. We're On Board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Recently upgraded all of our workstations to Linux. Fully wiped about 15 machines and added a custom install of Fedora Core 1 in less than six hours. We use a single Windows 2003 Server via rdesktop for a handful of legacy applications. The amazing thing is that everything worked flawlessly. We've had a handful of interface questions and a few printer hiccups and that's it.

    Other small companies can do this and do it now.

    1. Re:We're On Board by rah1420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      . There is no Linux Corp. with 4 hour response times for business down situations.

      And I'm sure that you have that kind of service level agreement with the MSFT Channel Partner that you used to deploy your current desktop solution, right? Riiiiiiiiight.

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  6. Training Costs by LaNMaN2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the things few Linux desktop advocates consider is the cost of retraining users to use the new software and any loss of productivity that would result from incompatibilities between OSS Office packages (OpenOffice,StarOffice,etc.) and Microsoft's offering. If 90% of business users create their documents in word then even subtle incompatibilities or limitations of the import functionality could make it very difficult to share information across and between organizations.

    It is the chicken and the egg problem. The value in MS Software is certainly not any features of the packages, themselves; it is the network effect of being able to easily share data with all other users of the software.

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    1. Re:Training Costs by pe1rxq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Training guy: Remember that white plane Word had were you typed your text?

      Luser: Yeah...

      Training guy: Your new word processor also has it...

      Luser: ........

      Training guy: You know how you used 'open' and 'save' and 'print' in that 'file' menu in the top of the window?

      Luser: Yeah....

      Training guy: Good, keep doing that.

      Luser: Ok....

      Training guy: Remember how above the white plane you could select the font and its size? And whit those funny buttons with italic and bold text you could make the text in the white plane turn to italic and bold?

      Luser: Uhuh...

      Training guy: Great! NEXT!

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    2. Re:Training Costs by kahei · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Luser: I want to embed my graphs in it now. And when Accounting change the graph, it should email me. Some of the graphs are generated from this old DLL. And when you click here, it should bring up foo.xls with sheet 3 selected.

      Training guy: ...

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    3. Re:Training Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      Training guy: That's interesting, because OpenOffice.org can do all those things, and users on different platforms and different versions can use those features together. And, since OpenOffice.org uses well-documented open file standards, you can expect that these features will continue to work well on future versions, too. Oh, and if there are any other features you can imagine, you can add them.

      Luser: I want to suck your dick.

  7. Wait a moment by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unless, somehow , all those copies of Windows 95/98/ME/2K/XP installed on 90% of the PCs of home users some how , misteriously disappear over a period of one year and magically they have Redhat./Suse/Mandrake/Debain/Slack/Gentoo installed .

    And then all those ex-windows users, some how magically learn how to use linux (not that it is hard, but it still has to be learnt, just as they did learn (?) to use windows)., I don't see this happening. Same holds for all the corporate desktops

    I am tired of people claiming "This is the year of linux", year after year after year. There is never going to be one single year of linux, It will have to slowly and steadly erode in to M$ territory. But it will take a much longer time than a mear year, or even a decade, unless ofcourse M$ decides to do something very stupid, like I don't know, Make the wallpaper with setve ballmer and make it unchangable.

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    1. Re:Wait a moment by telbij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is never going to be one single year of linux, It will have to slowly and steadly erode in to M$ territory.

      Funny that you never see articles about this, but it's the truth. I would go so far as to say that growing Linux marketshare is inevitable going down the line. Why? Because Linux is not subject to the same market forces that cause Microsoft to ignore bugs while building ridiculous and ill-advised features that simply look good in a power point. While Microsoft struggles to please shareholders, Linux is plodding along fixing bugs and steadily increasing the value of the platform.

      Tech news is dominated by financials, and Linux has oodles of economic potential, but to look at Linux in those terms is so shortsighted. Linux is true progress in the sense that its advances can never be expunged as we have seen happen time and time again with proprietary software. Once Linux reaches a critical point, there will be no financial incentive to develop a separate OS. At most, companies will customize Linux, but in general commercial development will shift to the application layer where it belongs, and we can look forward to renewed competition in the software industry, only this time on a much more solid base.

      Of course there's no telling how long all this could take...

  8. You can always... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Drop a few hints to your local MS vendor that you're thinking about switching to Linux to make them drop their costs on licensing fees.

    Trust me, it's so wonderful to take an MS vendor to lunch, sing the praises of Linux the whole time, then take them to a room near your computer room and point out the two shiny new mailservers that are blank and say you're debating about the TCO of Linux versus Exchange.

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  9. I've heard this since about 1997 or so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Maybe we'll get 'em next year." - Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox, Sacramento Kings, and Linux.

  10. Every year is the year of the pengiun by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously. Every year major stuff happens that no one thought we'd ever see.

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  11. IBM + Laptops by ibm5_25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If IBM is doing so much for Linux (inc. their ad campagin with the little dude a while back) why can't you buy one of their laptops with Linux preinstalled?

  12. Re:No mention of SCO... by spellraiser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually what star sign is Linux?

    Well, as can been seen here, Torvalds himself is not sure. Anyway, the problem also lies in selecting a specific birthday for Linux. Perhaps the most logical choice is the release of the first version, 0.10. Torvalds has this to say about that:

    Judging from the post, 0.01 wasn't actually out yet, but it's close. I'd guess the first version went out in the middle of September -91. I got some responses to this (most by mail, which I haven't saved), and I even got a few mails asking to be beta-testers for linux.

    Middle of September would indicate that Linux is probably a Virgo (August 24 to September 23), but it could also possibly be a Libra (September 23 to October 23). To decide between the two, I will need to do extensive analysis of Linux's character and disposition. Or I could just flip a coin ...

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  13. Every Year by MrRuslan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me because evry year I look back and say ...wow look how much progress was made this year...i mean it just grows and there is no stopping it no matter what anyone says.

  14. Laptops by b0r0din · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm waiting for a huge backing for a laptop that Linux supports fully, including things like wifi support, full driver support, etc. When I can get a fairly affordable laptop with Linux installed, or a base driver system maybe built for IBM or HP parts, then I'll begin to think Linux starting to make heavy inrows.

  15. Say it often enough, you will be right by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, having tried Xandros/1.0 and now using Xandros/2.0 it's clear that Windows has real competition.

    No doubt this comment will be targetted by the increasing number of moderators who appear to be Windows admirers, but I have enough karma for a whole barbeque, so here goes with a list of the ten reasons why Linux is destined to overtake Windows in 2004 (or 2005, or 2006, etc.)

    - Windows is expensive, Linux is free
    - Distros like Xandros "just work"
    - Linux is secure from worms, trojans, viruses
    - Linux runs on modest hardware
    - Linux is less complex and thus more stable
    - Linux has a "cool" factor missing from Windows
    - The IT world's view of Microsoft as "evil" is percolating down to the general public
    - Linux now comes with a sufficient set of applications for most common purposes
    - Linux applications are more stable and simpler than Windows' ones

    And lastly: more and more institutions will choose Linux as they discover the advantages of it, leading to consumer uptake as people "stay compatible" with their work PCs.

    From a 3% marketshare this seems unbelievable. And yet this is how markets work: the "tipping" often happens way before the 20% mark, but once it starts, it's unstoppable.

    At the very least, 2004 was the year in which people seriously started to wonder "when" and not "whether" Linux would become the de-facto OS standard for all computing, including the desktop.

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    1. Re:Say it often enough, you will be right by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Insightful

      well, sorry to nitpick, but your Linux isnt free if you use a non-free Linux distro as an example.

      It's cheaper, yes, but not free as in warez.

      Just cuz you keep repeating it doesnt make it so, otherwise, money would be growing on trees, too.

    2. Re:Say it often enough, you will be right by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although I like Linux, I'm not as enthusiastic as you. Linux has evolved quickly, but the people haven't changed. You see...

      > - Distros like Xandros "just work"

      But it is not well known yet.

      > - Linux is secure from worms, trojans, viruses

      True, but sadly the average Windows users seems unaware of the fact at all. Even sadder is that some of them can treat a system filled with spywares, viri, crashing and stop working as normal now.

      It is as if they've been force fed 10 years of shit, and now they cannot distinguish between meatsteak and poop. I dunno whether I should laugh or feel sorry when those complete newbies tell me poop is tasty.

      > - Linux runs on modest hardware

      Again, people just don't know that. They're willing to spend $3000 on a top line rig just to run spywares and 3DMark.

      > - Linux is less complex and thus more stable

      On a programmer's perspective, yes. Linux's structure is more understandable and its API is standardized and simplier (i.e. POSIX). Just try to do a file mapping on Win32 API and then Linux and you'll know...

      But for the user, sorry, no. No matter how simple you've made it, they've been accustomed to the Windows environment for years. Unlearning the old usage pattern alone would be hard enough.

      > - Linux has a "cool" factor missing from Windows

      There're plenty of kiddies who think they're "cool" just because they know a few DOS commands.

      > - The IT world's view of Microsoft as "evil" is percolating down to the general public

      There's plenty of people (IT or not) who think Microsoft invented computer, and Bill Gates is a god-send. Just ask a few persons around you.

    3. Re:Say it often enough, you will be right by JCholewa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Windows just works, and works with more
      > hardware without extraconfiguration.

      That's not true for everybody. I had to turn ten kinds of hell to get my 5.1 audio card to work in Windows. In the end, I had to boot into Linux (which had detected it properly) to find out what the audio card's chipset was, which finally gave me enough clues to get drivers for the card.

      Yes, though, Windows has ubiquitous driver support.

      > Ummm rootkits?

      I've never been rootkitted, and I'm very horrible with security.

      > When more people switch over to
      > linux you will see more viruses out there for
      > linux because right now windows is an easy
      > targetwith a ton of machines out there.

      And how will these viruses spread? Unlike Windows, the dominant email apps for Linux do not run applications when you click on them. Unlike Windows, viruses on Linux can't take control of system files. Unlike Windows, Linux computers start up with unnecessary ports turned off.

      > People much rather write a virus that will
      > effect a much larger population.

      I don't think you get it. Why do you think that there are multiple means of package management? Why do you think that different distributions handle things differently? Why do you think that Linux advocates and Open Source Software programmers make such great strides towards making sure that applications are available not only on Linux but on other operating systems such as FreeBSD, OS X and QNX? It's because having a monoculture is *BAD*. We don't *want* every computer in the world to run Linux. That would be *stupid*, even though Linux has a far safer security model than Windows. We want operating system usage to be distributed more or less evenly among different models, just like it was in the old days, when viruses *weren't* dangerous, and when a stupid move by one OS maker didn't negatively affect every single computer user on the planet!

      > If linux was secure from viruss,why are there
      > linux virus scanners?

      They're to scan for *Windows* viruses. You know, like if you had a mail server on your Linux box? I do, and I filter mail through clamav in order to prevent infection on a Windows box if I chance to check my mail on one.

      > with linux you need to figure out why your
      > soundisnt working and then configure the driver
      > and what not and edit configfiles.

      You mean, "with linux you have at least one way of getting sound working if your sound card doesn't work". This is opposed to "with windows if your source card doesn't work you can only cry a lot and try to reboot or just buy a new sound card".

      Linux isn't perfect, and I certainly hope that no single operating system ever captures more than a quarter of the desktop or business market, because that would lead to disaster. But Linux has saved me from a ton of frustration that Windows had caused me, and it's a lot easier to use (especially installing software, which Linux reduced to a simple, single step from the more popular many-step process.

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  16. The rest of the stories by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Toronto Star's @Biz section stories were all-but-one about Linux yesterday. (The Tux with sling was big across the front.)

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  17. Why there will never be a "Year of the Penguin" by hotspotbloc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And why it's not a bad thing.

    GNU/Linux is in it for the long haul. MS Windows flashes on the media's screen with a new release and fades away. GNU/Linux is growing bigger and stronger everyday. As that happens more and more companies will port their wares, more hardware venders will supply GNU/Linux instead of MS Windows, more users will leave MS Windows (most likely because they're tired of the upgrade costs for both hard and software related to the upgrade), and someday MS Windows will be a "niche" OS.

    Think about it like Apple. They make an excellent OS which includes some great apps, overall better than average desktop and small server hardware, is clearly better than MS Windows but still isn't "number one". Is this a bad thing: no. Apple will be around for a long time building their stuff reguardless of their marketshare. IMO this is the fate for MS Windows (except for the quality part of course).

    Forget about this "Year of the Penguin" stuff because no one year will be it's "year". GNU/Linux is here to stay, grow and get better.

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  18. Corporate vs. Home by PretzelBat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article states "Fortune 1000 companies are already dabbling." While this may be true, Linux becoming dominant on the home desktop is still unlikely, IMHO. There are still too many usability issues for the average computer user to perform configuration in Linux (e.g. installation of programs). Once KDE is up and running, I suppose everyone will be okay until the purchase of a new printer, etc., but until system changes are as simple to handle in Linux as they are in Windows, there is not much chance of Aunt Tillie feeling comforatable with Linux.

    In a corporate environment, where configuration is taken care of by IT, this is a completely different issue, and I can see that Linux is liable to make some important inroads here in the next few years. Perhaps once Linux becomes more widespread in corporate America (and has polished up some of the persistant usability issues), it will begin to make more of an impact on the home desktop market.

    1. Re:Corporate vs. Home by FooBarWidget · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But corporate desktops is where desktop domination begins. You don't begin targeting home users - you begin targeting corporate users. Once you have a good piece of market share on the corporate desktops, it'll be easier to extend to the home desktop.

      Yes Linux has issues. These issues are constantly being worked on and are improving. Installing a printer for example is as simple as starting the printer configuration tool and have your printer autodetected. I don't have a digital camera but I heard that on desktop distros like Mandrake, the camera is automounted and an icon will automatically appear on the desktop.
      My parents for example don't install software or hardware. They just use the computer to get on the Internet, that's it. Linux is a perfectly fine option for them - they're already using it.

      But there are also other *huge* issues which are something Linux can't really do something about: the chicken & egg issues. Hardware support for example - hardware manufacturers won't support Linux until there are lots of users, and users won't use Linux until hardware manufacturers support it. Same thing for games and commercial apps.

  19. so, logically... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    if the penguin weighs the same as a duck, it's made out of wood, and therefore...?

  20. I wonder how much this has to do with XP licensing by grassy_knoll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With XP calling home to register itself, word about the holes that come with the XP firewall, etc. I can see where Linux looks much more attractive ( hell, some home users might have to BUY it ;) ).

    Similarly, the increasing cost of XP/Office XP with little or no percieved increase in value *cough*software assurance*cough* has got to be grating the nerves of even a few PHB's.

    Either way, it's good to see Linux making some inroads into corporate desktops.

  21. Games by w42w42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use Linux full time as my desktop, except for the two/three times a week I decide to play a game with some friends. Then I have no choice (winex doesn't work) to boot into Windows.

    As a work desktop, it more than satisfies my requirements. Honestly though, as much as I'd rather not have to, I have to keep the Windows partition to play those occasional games.

    I think that the 'year of the penguin' will come around whenever game companies really start shipping titles for Linux. I think it's ironic though that if a couple of the larger PC manufacturers actually started shipping Linux, that games would be available in short order, I'm sure. Of course, neither industry wants to make the first leap.

  22. Already happened by arvindn · · Score: 5, Informative
    Listen all cynical American naysayers:

    In India, where I live, 2003 was the year of linux on the desktop. Yup. Last year. Already happened.

    Starting around last August, the avalanche started. Linux desktops crossed a threshold minimum level of usability, and the price of Windows became an unacceptable fraction of the price of the PC in this cost conscious market. I think it was IBM that ran the first ad for Linux PCs. Soon the taboo was broken. OEMs switched in droves. Today there is hardly anyone that only sells windows boxen. This year two companies have entered the market specializing in linux PCs.

    I can feel the pulse at the grassroots level as well. While the percentage of linux users is surely nowhere near two figures, it has probably doubled since a year or two ago. Banks and other enterprises switching all employees to linux happens every day.

    Billy Gates shot himself in the foot. Major anti-piracy ad campaigns and policing action by NASCOMM (BSA equivalent in India) contributed to awareness about alternatives and fueled linux growth. Today the ads directing the reader to microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/ are conspicuous by their absence, but the damage has been done. What linux has won is mindshare. PC geek mags regularly carry linux distros and other linux software these days, and have as many articles about linux as windows. It looks like an exponential growth curve is assured.

    If you're thinking of moving to Bangalore, there's at least one thing you can look forward to :-)

  23. Re:I know how I feel about open source by mahdi13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could we get a few examples of Linux just playing catch-up and not being "Innovative"?

    Here's some I see in Linux but not in Windows...
    Highlight text and middle-click to copy
    Tabbed internet browsers (Comparing to IE)
    Live bootable CDs that don't require installation (If there are MS equivalents, please point them out)
    Truly separate user environments

    I know I'm missing a bunch, but the only real 'catching up with Microsoft' I see with Linux is trying to keep interoperability working, which is a must in any business environment

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  24. gaaah. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can just see the rollouts now. Linux on every local desktop, local passwd, group, apps, complexity rising exponentially, security, performance and reliability decreasing in response.

    While Windows can be an insecure mess, it's nothing compared to just how messy Unix systems can become.

    With Unix, the least efficient use of the hardware is to put a single instance of many different applications on to lots of different machines.

    Say a Unix app consumes 20Mb of RAM, 80% -> 90% of that memory is shareable; shared libraries, program text and the like. So *conservatively* 2 people can run the application on a machine and it only takes 24Mb of RAM, not 40Mb of RAM, 3 people it uses 28Mb, not 60Mb and so on. On top of this, the application is already loaded, it doesn't have to be read from disk again each time it's started. The filesystem buffers are already pre-loaded, the CPU caches have a significantly better hit rate than if there are a dozen different apps running.

    Unix(and Linux) is *not* Windows, there's an entirely different system architecture which should really be considered before just wiping Windows on each desktop and replacing it with Linux.

    Of course there's a great opportunity for people who know.

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  25. One way desktop Linux might get desktop seats by randall_burns · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for a large public school district. We use Win 2000 server quite a bit(that may be changing with the movement of Novell to Linux). The place where the district lags behind quite a bit is on the desktop-we still have _thousands_ of Windows 98 machines out there because there simply isn't funding to upgrade the hardware/OS's. What would be really compelling in our case is a really nice desktop version that had Wine that worked seemlessly _and would use existing Win98 DLL's and libraries if available. Basically, I'd see that as an alternative to a Win 2K or Win XP upgrade that would breath some new life into these old machines. We'd get a lot more functionality with Linux _but_ short of doing a dual boot, I haven't seen a way to keep the functionality that Win98 has--and the district has what is for it quite a substantial investment in Windows software--and training in Windows applications for its staff.

    What I'm saying here is that part of the logical niche for a free OS is as an alternative upgrade path for folks that are finding that Windows simply doesn't give them an economically viable upgrade path. Microsoft is ceasing support of Win98. Now, to put this in perspective, even among folks outside of the district that hit our web page, over 20% are using older versions of Windows(ME,98,95) compared to less than 1% for Linux-and 4-5% for Macintosh.

    Its always seemed to me that folks pushing desktop Linux generally assume that folks will ditch many of their windows applications(I know Wine works, but last I checked it was still a bit limited in what applications it would support) or at least substantially retrain themselves to use Linux.
    I tend to think that just being the viable upgrade path for older hardware is the type of thing that will take Linux clearly past Macintosh in terms of numbers.

  26. I thought the "Year of Linux" was 2003 by iCharles · · Score: 3, Funny

    No...wait...it was 2002. I'm sorry--I mean 2001. One of these years Linix will dominate...

  27. I'll try my "year of linux" joke again by usurper_ii · · Score: 3, Funny

    And this time people, this is a joke and not a troll!!!

    This is a friendly note from the law office of Bezos & McBride (no relation, really) in representation of the SCO Corporation. SCO would like to inform you that it holds the trademark to the term "Year of Linux." Please cease and desist the use of the term without acknowledgement of the trademark. If you wish to continue using this term, please contact SCO to discuss licensing terms.

    Thanks you,

    Law Office of Bezos & McBride
    D. McBride
    J. Bezos

  28. How to tell if it's "The Year of the Penguin" by V_drive · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all the confusion about whether or not a particular year is "The Year of the Penguin," I thought I'd volunteer a simple method you can apply to decide for yourself.

    If it is January through May: this year
    If it is June through December: next year

    Try it for yourself and you too may become an industry expert and visionary.

    [warning: this post contains high degrees of sarcasm and may not be suitable for all readers]

    --
    char *mySig;
  29. Re:A Wine a day, keeps the apps in play. by randall_burns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The big thing that I would like to see:
    Improve Wine so that if you have a win98 license, they'll make more use of the Microsoft DLL's--and improve the installation and documentation to that installing into a situation in which Win98 already exists is _seemless_.

    What I'd ideally want here:
    Take _nothing_ away from folks that already have a Windows license on their machine(particularly if
    this is an older license)

    Add Linux functionality.

    Here at the district, we have some fokls that know that Windows networking and security is rather lacking--but they are a bit intimidated by the Linux learning curve. The fact that Novell is moving towards Linux is a big draw here. The next biggest draw IMHO would be to make the win98 machines work better so that the life of these machines can be extended--and the software can be update at lower cost than the microsoft route.

    When you are talking a cash-strapped customer with thousands of machines, those sort of things really do add up. I don't think it is just school districts-cost savings is going to be more of an issue for a lot of organizations over time--if the Linux community can simply make it clear that Linux is the logical, low cost upgrade path then in time Microsoft will feel the heat.

  30. LTSP by scarolan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here at Medical Resource USA, myself and our webmaster were tired of troubleshooting 12-14 windows machines everyday. Nearly every single day there was a virus, or software problem, or some sort of problem with someone's computer. So I consulted with my boss, and we decided to switch to Linux. (Maybe linux should have some switch commercials like apple did? beepbeepbeepbeepbeep)

    We are just finishing off switching over our computer network to Linux - but we didn't need to wipe windows off anyone's hard drive. Here's how we did it:

    • Built a small server and installed Fedora Core 1.
    • Installed LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) and configured it for our system.
    • Created boot disks for each computer that did not have a 'boot from network' option. I used Rom-O-Matic for this part.
    • We also purchased some thin clients from NeoWare for new employees. These have a stripped down Linux distro on them and connect by opening a remote X connection. As our company grows, and the old pentium II and III boxes gradually die off, we will replace all of them with thin clients.

    Here are the specs on the server. I have a better one being delivered soon, but this is the 'proof of concept' version:

    • Emachine with 1ghz Intel celery processor
    • 512MB RAM
    • 80GB hard drive
    • Nightly backup of home directories to external USB hard drive

    The network currently supports 10 users, with usually 6-7 people signed on at any given time. We use Evolution as an outlook replacement, Open Office instead of MS office, and Mozilla for web browsing.

    We have a pretty login screen with our company logo, and the face browser so you can click your picture to log in. Redhat's bluecurve desktop is great, and is a snap for any windows user to learn. The terminals start up WAY faster than windows ever did, and all the apps pop right up even on a pokey Pentium II machine. IN fact, my thin clients only have 64mb of memory and they work great too.

    There were a few minor glitches or complaints about the UI, but in almost every case I was able to show the sales reps and employees how to get what they needed to do done.

    So switching to linux CAN be done. The only drawback is when you've got windows apps that you have to use when there's no linux alternative. In our case, the accounting department makes extensive use of Quickbooks to handle our finances. We tried to emulate, use wine, crossover office, etc. but none of these solutions were either stable or robust enough to meet our needs. So I had to leave three boxes running windows so accounting can continue to use Quickbooks.

    We also use our linux box as a Quake 2 server for lan parties after our weekly sales meetings! My boss is an older guy but he loves FPS shooters. The employees enjoy getting a chance to frag the pointy-haired guy every week :P