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NetBSD Trademark Application Completed
Daniel de Kok writes "The NetBSD Foundation is proud to announce that it has registered the ``NetBSD®'' trademark. The foundation would like to thank Jay Michaelson (Wasabi Systems) for filing the application and providing answers to the US Patent Office, and Carl Oppedahl (Oppedahl & Larson) for giving advice and keeping the Foundation informed about the process. An official policy on the use of the NetBSD® trademark is currently being drafted and will be made public soon."
the NetBSD 'core' must have a lot of money if they can spend thousands on little things like trademarks (especially ironical considering the BSD licence almost like public domain, you'd think these people wouldn't care about copyrights and trademarks, etc).
Looking at the application:
Filing Date: 2000-09-12
That must have cost a fortune in lawyer fees. But then, if this is what it takes to further improve their already great product (I run it on my IPAQ!), more power to them.
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...till Lindows trys to release LetBSD?
Doesn't the ® (R) symbol signify that the text before is registered ... it sounds like they've registered "NetBSD®" as a trademark ... making it NetBSD®® hehehe
I don't see the big deal. I am downloading the sparc iso for my sparcstation as I type this. This will be my first time using this OS, and I am sure it will be a good one. I am getting a good 400k/sec download from their mirror so it shant be long :)
What would be considered a typical cost to trademark a name? USPTO fee? Does one really need a lawyer? If something trademarked here, what is the cost to trademark it worldwide? Does one need to go to each countries trademark office or can one file with the WTO (world Trade Office) equivalent and do it all in one place?
"An official policy on the use of the NetBSD® trademark is currently being drafted and will be made public soon" how can you condem them before you even hear there policy on the use of the trademark?
-=Hinkey=-
Oh where, oh where is my BSD?
I just loaded it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see the OS when I leave this world.
I'd started to load it in my roommate's Dell,
the hard drive was taking it pretty well.
During the load, it crashed the heads,
the distro was stalled, *BSD was dead.
I couldn't stop, so I yanked the cord.
I'll never forget, the sound , oh Lord--
the screamin' drives, the speaker's blast,
the painful scream that I-- heard last.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
That load took it away from me.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
When I woke up, the sparks were pourin down.
There were admins standin all around.
Some fragments of chips gotten in my eyes,
but somehow I found my *BSD that night.
I lifted the CD, the devil winked and said,
"Load me darlin just a little while."
I held it close, I kissed the label--our last kiss.
I found the love that i knew i had missed
well now it's gone, even I loaded it right
I lost my *BSD and the Dell-- that night.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
Worst Thing Ever©
Slashdot gets sued for trademark infringement..
hehe
Si.
Yes, but do they have a logo to go with that trademark yet? (http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#logo-contest-close d)
I mean, frankly, what does this buy them? Anything?
I'm more puzzled than angered.
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
And the name is owned by one man. Linus Torvalds.
Now they can sue away all the other BSDs and make them change their names to firefox or something.
Hahahahah BSD BSD PEE EFF PEE
Linux is also trademarked
(excerpt from that site)
Examples of Use Requiring A License.
On the other hand, if you plan to market a product or offer a service to the public using a mark that identifies the LINUX based product under a name that you consider your product name, like "Super Dooper Linux" or "Real Time Linux Consultants" you are required to apply for and obtain the low cost one time royalty license described elsewhere on this web site. This is true whether you actually apply for a trademark for your product or service name, because you are using the mark in a trademark sense, and it is important that the public know that LINUX is the base mark owned by Linus, and that the derivative mark you have adopted is your particular version of Linux.
Beside our need to protect the Linux mark for all of us in the industry, this process allows us to prevent improper uses of the mark that might eventually result in someone obtaining a trademark with the word Linux in it that suggests that they are the sole source of Linux or the sole authority to certify some aspects of use or training concerning Linux. For this reason we have refused to license marks like "Linux University" or "The Linux Certification Board."
(end-excerpt)
It's pretty reasonable for NetBSD to want the same protection from dillution for it's valuable brandname. And it's hardly the first open source OS to get it's name trademarked.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I hope I'm still in the running. Anyone else enter? I sure wish I could see my competition.
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Oh no, they should have registed ``NetBSD'' instead.
Acquiring such a trademark means that it is somewhat easier to enforce that others do not use the trademark in their own product names.
That's great... but if they do anything to enforce it they'll get a nasty "Your Rights online" post about the evils of intellectual property law.
:)
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess.
--- JRJ
jrjBlog
..understaffed and underqualified. There's probably loads of prior art. I bet there are everything from cereals to tampons already called NetBSD. You mark my words!
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
How is that process coming along? Now would be a good time for them to release it.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
This has to do with NetBSD, which is technical, but this post isn't technical or even user-sided. It's about about NetBSD being granted a trademark. It appears more to be a pride issue, as if they were holding a huge banner that says "we got a trademark for NetBSD" with subliminal childish tauntings.
Mod me as flamebait, but is this really "news for nerds" and more importantly "stuff that matters"?
I wonder if this is going to effect the Debian GNU/NetBSD and Debian GNU/KNetBSD porting projects. I'm curious to see their use policy.
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
I think that I am going to rush out and trademark "BSD Is Dying", that way I prevent usage of that term on troll /. posts! Patent office, here I come!
Pienso que debemos prohibir bailar del negro.
Regardless who wrote it.
myke
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
Not really. You can only go so far with the rhymes. BSD is so much easier to work with. All that rhymes with Linux is sucks and trucks and ducks (and a duck certainly is not a penguin).
new logo.
(note the date of that post)
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
...perhaps a big risk from other quarters with deep pockets who might think it cute to do so, and might do it through a daisy chian of proxies first to obfuscate who's behind it. Perhaps, pure speculation of course. I can think of a few places to whom 500 clams doesn't even qualify as pocket lint,but the idea of monkey wrenching in advance any ever potential future competitor might seem like making "good business sense", so maybe NetBSD being proactive before the fact of needing a trademark is a good thing and good idea.
The people are the militia. If you don't like guns, don't own one. End of story. It is none of your business if I choose to own one.
Is that about right?
Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
That site doesn't look the slightest bit legitimate. A whois lookup points here:
Boustani, Eric eric@boustani.com
215 W Franklin St
Fourth Floor Box 3080
Monterey, CA 93940
US
831-649-1122
What relation does Eric have to Linus? Why are they running this site out of Monterey? Why wouldn't this information be on kernel.org?
Isn't this nice... I can't wait for the NetBSD trademark certification process. Now anything based on NetBSD has to be called:
The NetBSD-like, Unix-Like, OS
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Damn®. Being Politically Correct®" and using all those Godawful Stupid Symbols® is F**king Irritating®.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
Save Maine's economy: write stuff down. All comments are exclusively my own, not my employer.
In the meantime, remember that if your machine displays "NetBSD" without the trademark symbol while booting, you are not allowed to boot without turning off your displays.
You also can not use an editor to correct such messages if it may display "NetBSD" without the trademark symbol. Use of `sed` is suggested with regular expressions such as "/NetBS[^A-CE-Z]/"
This article claims it was announced by Linux International a long time ago.
.. Obviously that Monterey address is for the maintainer of the website.
Also you can find posts by Jon Hall on usenet archives about it too.
If you read the LWI site you'd see "Website maintained courtesy of the law firm of Terra Law L.L.P. and AtreNet. Copyright 2000 Linux Mark Institute"
It is well known that Linus does not want to be involved in the trademark issues of Linux.
Kernel.org is for source code, not for legal information.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
So what happens when someone goes and appropriates LetBSD? What are the minions of Slashdot going to do? Well, it was evil when Microsoft fought over Lindows. But, it will be OK to fight over NetBSD because, well uhm, it's not Microsoft? Can't... think... head... going... to... explode...
Hellboy should be careful how he trademarks himself. ;-)
Someone put a black hole in my pocket and now I'm broke.
Yes, I am.
"If you don't like gays, don't be one. End of story. It is none of your business if I choose to be one"
At least you admit that homosexuality is a choice.
"If you don't like marijuana, don't smoke it. End of story. It is none of your business if I choose to smoke it."
Fine. If you are going to intentionally cause brain damage, turn in your driver's license now and give up custody of your children.
A llama like you should probably run Windows.
I'm going to start using Lunix right now!
Don't forget to pay your $699 Licensing fee you teabagging former cadaver-smoker!!!
Last dope fiend in office didn't even inhale.
A major newspaper ran this, and then pulled it when they found out it was a hoax. It's as true as the claims that Osama is hiding in the Lewinsky Compartment in the oval office desk and the idea that Bush was born on mars.
Sorry! I got the print medium of the hoaxer book mixed up.
"He never fully denied cocaine use and was definitely a big time boozer in the past."
Richard Stallman, Howard Dean, and Mother Teresa have never denied cocaine use, either. This must mean they are cokeheads, right?
"But of course to be critical of Bush is to support terrorism and all that claptrap."
Only if the criticism goes hand-in-hand with support for the terrorists. It often does: Howard Dean has repeatedly made anti-Bush speeches in which he supports the terrorists by denying that bin Laden and Hussein are terrorists at all. The Florida Democratic Party a few weeks ago ran an add in which it called the terrorists heroic patriots. Yes, this ad was critical of Bush too. Hating Bush because people hate the country and love the terrorists is too common.
At least John Kerry sometimes has voted to fund the fight against terror (when he wasn't voting against it). Unlike Dean and Kucinich, Kerry at least does not propose "surrender" as the response to terrorism. Senator Joseph Lieberman is quite critical of Bush, but not soft on the terrorists.
A hint: you make yourself look like a moron when you use lame insults like "Dubya". These people have names. If you want to look like Rush Limbaugh and his "Slick Willie" by using dumb insults, go right ahead.
Yet another anti-semite parroting the old lies about Israel, such as the one about "humanitarian crimes".
"We shouldn't be involved on EITHER SIDE of that REGIONAL conflict."
It is quite easy and justifiable to choose the side of good in this good vs evil conflict. They've attacked us, as well: Klinghoffer first comes to mind, a non-Israeli Jewish, American citizen executed by the Palestinian government for the crime of being Jewish. But hey, he's Jewish, so that is OK with you.
"America first."
Justice first. For all. Not just Americans. You are sounding ever more Nazi-like, with rabid nationalism and hatred of Jews.
I criticize the policies of the Israeli government and you automatically brand me as a racist. There is no "good versus evil" conflict here (face it, there is no "god"), it's just a regional religious/racial conflict that the US decided to jump in on a while ago. Both sides are guilty of lots of crimes, neither should be supported by the US, and yet I'M the racist? What part of what I said is a lie?
"Justice first. For all. Not just Americans. You are sounding ever more Nazi-like, with rabid nationalism and hatred of Jews."
Now you are just trolling. You want justice? Get your own. America isn't the world's policeman. And what about your aparent hatred of the Arabs? Is that justified?
If you aren't, why are you posting old cliched antisemitic statements?
"More Palestinians have died than Israelis in the past few years, so who wants to live in peace again?"
The vast majority of these have been killed by the Palestinian government, which so hates Jews that in their strategy it is OK to kill 8 Palestinians in order to cause the death of one Jew.
"So Sharon's government is taking the "We're going to kill you until you like us" approach"
No, it is not. He is targetting only those groups like Hamas which from day one were devoted to exterminating the Jews. He is doing nothing more than retaliating with those who do not accept the rights of Israelis to even live. In contrast, Sharon is content to leave them alone as long as they are not invading Israel.
"I also find it silly that the Israeli's complain about anti-semitism when they aren't the only group of "Semites"."
From the dictionary: "One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews". Typical Nazi tactic; to lie about the definition of antisemitism.
"People's insistance on treating all this as a "good versus evil" are just as mentally primitive as the fanatics that blow themselves up"
No, they are just well informed about the issues.
"But if it's convienent for you to just blindly brand me an anti-semite nazi"
That is not my job. You did it yourself when you launched into your antisemitic ranting.
"I'll just be over here trying to live my life enjoying what liberty I have left."
How can you? The ZOG rules us, or so you think. What a racist jerk you are.
You make some good points. Some I will argue with, but it gets more and more difficult to maintain a conversation in a Slashdot news item that is receding ever more into the past, and is blatantly out of topic anyway. Unless we bring it back to "is there a heaven?" and "if there is, will we find *BSD there?". I'll pass.
Great idea. Everybody should use the same operating system. It is only natural that the entire OS market be dominated by one product. Why didn't I think of that?
Sincerly, Bill Gates
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