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MP3.com Hastily Re-launches -- But Will It Fly?

macdaddypunk writes "Today CNET Networks unveiled the service that has taken them five months to build: the new (but not-necessarily-improved) MP3.com. The site offers free downloads and a place to upload music, but it lacks the extra features of the original MP3.com, and it has a meager selection of barely 2,000 artists. The best part: their charts are literally random (songs are sorted by number of downloads, currently zero for all songs!). Smells like a hasty launch, perhaps rushed by last week's news that the original MP3.com archive (1.7 million songs) has been resurrected by another free MP3 download site, GarageBand.com."

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  1. w00t by mastergoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least theres even more advertisements than last time, something to look at while I download right?

  2. Changed the name then... by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was http://www.mp3isback.com, which redirects, but they obviosuly though better of using it...

  3. Excellent live music site... by cTbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    People interested in downloading music might also want to check out the Internet Archive's Live Audio Archive which offers both mp3 and lossless shn compressed audio for free.

    1. Re:Excellent live music site... by thisissilly · · Score: 2, Informative

      People may also want to check out FurthurNet.com for legal P2P live music downloads, mostly jam-bands (Grateful Dead, Phish, CSNY), but some others you might not expect (AC/DC, Beastie Boys, Frank Black). I should mention it is concert-set oriented, not track oriented, so things are not set up to let you download just one song you are looking for. Instead, you download whole live shows.

  4. Mp3.com's archive by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am very pleased to hear that mp3.com's archive of songs has been resurrected by another site. I was blown away when I read that the mp3s were being deleted. It reminds me of those Dr. Who episodes that are forever lost because the BBC didn't think it important to archive them.

    1. Re:Mp3.com's archive by Yaruar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shame that they are charging artists an exorbitant fee to recover the songs and put them back up.

      99 dollars to resurrect the account then 3 songs recovered for free then after that 7 odd dollars every song recovered.

      One of my friends was a top selling mp3.com artist and he had hundreds of songs on mp3.com and it would literally cost him thousands of dollars to get them on there again.....

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  5. Re:in a word by Omni+Magnus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh NO. Itunes doesn't have near as many downloads as Imesh, Edonkey, etc. You cannot beat having millions of songs in storage and no DRM.

  6. MP3.com hasn't relaunched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    MP3.com hasn't relaunched, you only have your splash page there along with a link to a separate free service provided by cnet as a part of download.com. Not the same thing.

    1. Re:MP3.com hasn't relaunched by thehossman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe mp3.com will become a "Music Portal" for info about digital music -- without acctually hosting any music. Where as music.download.com will be a place to download music other people have uploaded (much as download.com is a place to download software, yad, yada...)

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  7. GarageBand.com? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Release the legal hounds." - Steve Jobs

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    1. Re:GarageBand.com? by PZona · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, he's cool. GarageBand.com and Apple signed an agreement to share the name back in '03.

    2. Re:GarageBand.com? by ps_inkling · · Score: 3, Informative
      Call off the hounds.

      Apple is paying for the use of the name "GarageBand" for their music compostion software included with iLife. The agreement was signed in April 2003, according to GarageBand.

      So, Apple was working on GarageBand in early 2003?

  8. Indies by platypibri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am completely in support of any system that supports local and independant artits. That is where the real musical soul of America is. (apologies to international users) I'm tired of just accepting what ever the industry decides is worth of my attention. Not that there is not talent in the industry. I just feel the industry squashes artistic development. Welcome back MP3.com. There is ALWAYS room to grow.

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  9. This might be a good thing. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ye olde mp3.com was cluttered up with all of these stupid free songs from big commercial artists. While that was sort of good, it skewed all of the rankings and pushed all of the undiscovered talent down. Thats what used to be good about mp3.com back in the day. I think it would be a much better idea to seprerate the big well known groups from the indipendents. Hopefully, because MP3.com is nolonger owned by a record label it will just be a venue for discovering new independant artists. And that would make me happy.

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  10. Can't fly, all artst material is at garageband by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even though you have to pay to get it back, Garageband has the old material. Mp3.com got 99% of their old hits from artists like me doing stuff with their pages from their houses. Without that bedroom industry support, they will be lost in the sea of half-RIAA-sponsored shelac. Might as well use live365.com to listen to mp3 radio of whatever you want -- at least then you don't have to pay too much to get commercial-free radio in your favorite genre. I will continue to make music, but I will only link to it from sites like this (back to my own site)... i'm not paying money so that my hard work gets lost in a sea of RIAA red tape.

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  11. Re:WTF? by mastergoon · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yeah looks fine in Firefox. One thing I was actually impressed with was their use of CSS. In Firefox you can switch between the stylesheets, they offer multiple text sizes, and a layout stripped of most graphics. The button to switch them in firefox is in the bottom left corner.

    The color scheme may not be great, but the use of CSS is above average (though that is no use at all often).

  12. There are better alternatives by GatorMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Try other sites like www.myglobalsound.com instead. Everything MP3.com should have been the first time around. It was created by a couple geeks and runs on Linux, too! Think MP3.com value plus ITMS ease-of-use plus Google variety. I'm filling up my third custom music disc as I type. Always find something good (and new!) there.

  13. 2000+ artists by serenarae · · Score: 5, Informative

    My boyfriend is an artist on mp3.com, and the somewhat small artist count is due to the fact that they only let artists start signing up about 2 weeks ago. To top that off, if you were trying to sign up, you were going to run in to some sort of net traffic due to the other hundreds of artists trying to sign up. Give them some time, they're still rebuilding.

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  14. The Free Alternative by poptones · · Score: 5, Informative
    iTunes Mac OSX Files Now available on Magnatune

    New format available: all albums are now available for download as highest-quality Apple Macintosh AAC files, compressed into a Mac-native Stuffit archive. All the meta-information (song name, artist, year, album) is stored in the AAC file so that you can just drop the files into iTunes and they're perfectly recognized. And unlike AAC files bought from the iTunes shop, these AAC files are as unemcumbered by DRM (digital rights management).

    If anyone here hasn't yet checked out magnatune, you should. There are some great acts and you can get exactly what most of us have been screaming for: un-DRM files of the highest possible quality and YOU set the price.

  15. The Crackdown on P2P vs. Digital Distribution by List+of+FAILURES · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I wish MP3.com well as they may yet provide another outlet for independent artists that are having trouble getting through the "old boys" network of the RIAA. Just because someone doesn't have a contract doesn't mean that they suck. And that's what the RIAA is afraid of.

    Being a musician in my own right, I've been considering the idea of using a P2P client for distribution of my music. Since *I* would be the copyright holder, it would be completely legitimate and get my music heard. In the effort to destroy the RIAA's stranglehold over the music business, I would encourage any of you with a creative bent to distribute your works via P2P. After all, fame is worth a lot more than money because fame can get you places that money can't. I have been experimenting with P2P clients like MUTE and the interesting new file sharing pardigm Konspire. Konspire has the interesting side effect of turning P2P around into something like what Usenet used to be, only it's a LOT cooler.

    My suggestions:
    -Try out MUTE
    -Try out Konspire
    -If you are creative, focus on getting your name known via P2P
    -Once you have an established reputation, you can keep your fans happy with some free tracks/videos/writing and some exclusive stuff that they would happily pay for. It's the best of both worlds.

  16. new mp3.com not yet launched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    From mp3.com:

    The all-new MP3.com will launch by late spring 2004. We're excited to unveil our new look for MP3.com users both old and new.

    There is a banner on that page for music.download.com, which has been there for a long time. music.download.com is another one of CNET's services, but it is not the new mp3.com! mp3.com will be relaunched soon by CNET.

    The story is incorrect!

  17. meh.. by mrelectricocean · · Score: 3, Informative

    my band used to have 2 mp3s up on mp3.com.. are all the old archives back up? here in the UK all the local bands started using www.acidplanet.com or www.purevolume.com as a substitue for mp3.com, purevolume is pretty good from what ive seen. example : www.purevolume.com/appease

  18. Soundclick by Jack+Wagner · · Score: 4, Informative
    Soundclick is where all the cool kids hang out. It's FREE (like NPR) and has tons of Indie crap for you to listen to.

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  19. We only accept 192Kbps MP3 files in stereo with 44 by Forget4it · · Score: 2, Informative

    We only accept 192Kbps MP3 files in stereo with 44KHz sampling. and you get 50MB free space so that sounds like about half and album.




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  20. But what about the quality of the music? by alienprotocol · · Score: 3, Informative

    I realize that a concept like "quality of music" is pretty abstract, since beauty is usually always in the eye of the beholder... but being flooded with poor quality music was really the thing that caused mp3.com to eventually become a site i visited less and less.

    so now mp3.com relaunches. yawn. is this 1996 all over again? how long before they assemble a mountain of crap that makes the true gems even harder to find?

    i'm using http://www.mp3jackpot.com and http://www.mp34u.com these days to save time finding the "quality" free mp3's from those artists smart enough to give away a track or two in order to compete.

    and hey, i'm also helping to find songs for mp34u.com - and it has been pretty fun so far.

  21. Are you sure? by Dlugar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe they've changed it ... according to this page, you can recover the account, plus three songs, for free, and get additional songs hosted for $6.99 each.

    Or, alternatively, you can simply pay a one-time fee of $99 to get all your songs back, no ads on your band's page, and unlimited hosting for all your songs for life.

    Well, so says the site, anyway. Can anyone verify if it's true?

    Dlugar

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    1. Re:Are you sure? by chimpo13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, great idea there. mp3 never paid my band the money they owed us and they wouldn't answer email's asking about the money. At first it was "We'll answer within 5-10 business days" and months later it became "You need to pay us to answer your email".

      Will it be the same thing at garageband? Why should I pay them money so they can make money selling my songs? I was signing up with garageband and said, "ah screw this". Dang kids these days.

      As Sykes said in Wild Bunch, "Caught you didn't they? Tied a tin can to your tail. Led you in and waltzed you out again. Oh my what a bunch. Big tough ones huh? Here you are with a hand full of holes, a thumb up your ass, and a big grin to pass the time of day with."

      I've put the songs on my server with a donation box (not that I'm expecting donations). So if you're looking for free generic punk rock Star Trek songs....

  22. Depends on whether they Opted Out by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny

    Garageband.com doesn't have songs by those bands that opted out of Trusonic's commercial background music stream service.

  23. Given their previous quality ratio... by Eric+Savage · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which of the 2000 is the good one?

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  24. One humble musician's take: by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw CNet. Sure, they've resurrected the concept, but I'm guessing they'll also resurrect the idea of paying 20 dollars to be permitted to show more than 3 songs. And maybe they'll even invent their own format, maybe CNP3, that will require you to download the appropriate codecs and maybe a player program from them. Remember, it's all "Free to Try, $99.99 to Buy!"

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  25. .. But Will It Fly? by MP3.com · · Score: 3, Funny
    MP3.com Hastily Re-launches -- But Will It Fly?
    I'm not a pig, you insensitive clod!
  26. comments about mp3.com by tedtimmons · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Worked at MP3.com from the IPO until the beginning of 2003- nearly four years. Others were there longer and knew more, but some of my observations:

    * Too much crap. Free uploading means that anyone who thought they were an artist could upload music. No business model can support this. MP3 really needed to charge artists a few dollars a month. That wouldn't limit a real artist, but it might limit the guys that churned out crap.

    * No way to find good music. There were "top 100" charts, but that's about it. How about Amazon-style relevance? Michael Robertson hated anything that forced a listener to listen to something- why wouldn't people want to choose each and every track? Well, some people don't care, or don't want to take the time. Give me a stream and leave me alone.

    * No business model. Can't make money giving free uploads and free downloads. Subscriptions were ineffective, artist subscriptions pissed off the artists, and giving away hundreds of thousands per month was just silly.

    * CEOs that didn't care. Michael Robertson had some vision and enthusiasm, but couldn't save it.

    On the other hand, there were some great people and ideas at MP3.com. Trusonic is one of those- I'm sure they will continue to be successful.

  27. In The Defense of MyGlobalSound.com by bensin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm the president of http://www.MyGlobalSound.com and some people had some negative things to say about my company. I would like start off by saying you try doing the same thing with a $5,000 budget and a team of two. We recently launched in March and i know that in do time we will become a force to be reckoned with. I think the people that post on this forum should revisit their childhood before the start posting things If you don't have anythign respectable to say thing keep your mouth shout. If you pride yourself on making people feel little that only shows how big of a person you are.

  28. GarageBand.com by zeemster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there seem to be some misunderstandings about GarageBand.com here. GarageBand.com *does* offer free MP3 downloads. if you are confused about this, just visit their home page, and click on the links for any of the songs. its true, they do also offer realaudio streaming as a second option, but that doesn't preclue you from using the sight purely as an mp3 download sight. interestingly, GarageBand.com claims to have 100,000 bands (not counting the additional 250,000 coming from resurrecting the MP3.com archive). in fairness to CNET, the original posting is slightly inaccurate, although essentially correct. today was not the launch of CNET's "new MP3.com," but their new music download sight ("music.download.com"). CNET has proclaimed that they intend to do something entirely different with MP3.com. however, the thing they launched today *was* their best effort to appease the disenfranchised MP3.com artist community, and it has clearly fallen short. they (CNET) have actually been trying to sign up artists for several weeks now, and the fact that less than 3,000 artists have signed up out of the 250,000 former MP3.com artists is telling. as a former MP3.com artist myself, i have been extremely pleased with GarageBand.com. unlike any other independent music sight out there, the charts on GarageBand.com really seem to find quite good music, and their collaborative-filtering system for determining the charts really seems to work.