On The Evolution Of Dance Dance Revolution
Thanks to Gaming-Age for its feature discussing the continued popularity of Konami's Dance Dance Revolution series, which starts out by noting "the DDR series now has had nearly 50 different releases, all territories figured in", and interviews Konami's Yasumi Takase about the possibility of being able to use any music CD in a DDR game ("Having access to your personal music CDs is great, but coming up with your own step data for these songs is not so easy unless you are an expert player"), before talking to female DDR player 'Lyra' about her views of female players ("We do tend to have a lot more guy players than girls, the only girls we ever get are people who either try it out once, or sluts who are trying to get a guy.") Elsewhere, DDRFreak points to an academic essay on the history of DDR (PDF link), produced for Stanford University's History Of Computer Game Design class.
That's exactly the opposite I see. While there are a surprising amount of guys (surprising to me at least, most guys I know have no rythym at all,) the players I do see are predominantely female. I'd say like 70%.
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We've got a DDR machine or two at every arcade in the area (South Florida) and they are always booming with people. There's usually a line, though many are just spectators. You don't see anything like that for the racers, shooters, or fighters in the arcades. Actually, I'm seeing fewer and fewers racers, shooters, and fighters all together
So, if I see a girl on the DDR, she's either a virgin or a slut? 50/50? I like those odds!
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"We do tend to have a lot more guy players than girls, the only girls we ever get are people who either try it out once, or sluts who are trying to get a guy."
Or Jealous bitches. Gee, I wonder which one she is?
In all seriousness, I stopped playing ddr for two reasons. 1) The music sucks ass and 2) the people that play also suck ass.
While my local group of players may not be representational of the entire subculture, they did remind me of the old jock assholes from Highschool.
I was quite good at ddr. Did SSR/MANIAC/whatevertheyarecallednow with no problems. I actively encouraged others to play. Now it seems that being a beginner ddr player is a reason to ridicule someone. Sorry, no, Ill not be part of that group.
Why not just analyze the music and create step data based on certain beats, patterns, etc... Don't they do this sort of thing in visualizations already? Granted, it won't be as good as hand created step data, since you can make it harder or easier depending on your preference. But then, you could just fine tune the data by editing it yourself.
DDR is a pretty cool game (especially to watch) except it can get very annoying after a while. Case in point, I was at the CPL in Dallas and they had a DDR2 machine set up close by. Not many people were playing it so it sat at the title screen with some annoying dj announcer guy repeating D-D-R over and over again. It is pretty cool to watch some of those guys dance, nut no matter how good any DDR player is I can't imagine they are better than this guy.
*Stan and a goth watch as the asian kid dances frantically.*
Stan: Oh my god... he's really good.
Goth: He should be, he's spent like $6,000 on that thing.
*Asian kid stops playing, Stan approaches him.*
Stan: You're really good, kid... would you help me in my dance competition?
Asian kid: You mean dancing without a machine telling you what to do?
And as long as I'm trying to be funny, why not look at QDB on the subject of DDR, too.
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Couldn't switch the channel to something else after the Simpsons and was forced to watch Malcom in the Middle and see the father do the DDR competition? It bothered you so much that you have to post a DDR article first thing Monday morning on Slasdot. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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your wrong. It was a king of the hill rerun from last Thursday, bobby went to japan.
Honestly, the first article did not really give any new information, besides that something new is coming to DDR.
However, definitely check out the essay paper - there's some interesting stuff on 'DDR communities'. This is funny because some of the DDR players I've met were just discussing the same exact thing. We (us DDR players) have basically have met each other through the playing the game. Otherwise, we would have never met. In some sense, we participate in a DDR sub-culture, discussing the game and music, sharing tricks/techniques, talking about local heroes (people that can pass Paranoia Survivor Max Oni), etc.
Call it silly, but we even have DDR nicknames - I always play at 1.5X speed - thus I am "jason 1.5". Then there is a guy who disapproves of any mods in general, hence he is "captain anti-speed mod". (I suspect only DDR players will understand this!).
If you haven't played DDR, I definitely recommend it. Just try it on beginner mode in the arcade, or try it on xbox/ps2.
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Why don't they mix DDR with a gesture based game like "Eye Toy : Groove" ? Then you could really have a disco experience ! There is no way at the moment to check in which direction the body is turned, so all the salsa or rock'n'roll moves are usually wrong in comparison to the "real" ones (not to mention the lack of an opposite sex partner you can feel in your arms).
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They need to figure something out, because this would be terrific. Especially for people using the home game for exercise purposes and have gotten bored playing to the same stuff.
I am up for the challenge, Konami.
I say the next development in DDR should be realism! Possible enhancmements include:
-Stick-o-matic floor to simulate drink spillings
-Automatic overpriced watered-down drink vending machine
-The Claustrophobinator(tm), a modification that brings down a heated padded wall to simulate crowd proximity
-Long bathroom lines
Just wanted to let you know that, through great coincidence, the creators of DDRFreak.com will be on my weekly radio show this coming Sunday (May 9th.) If anyone is interested in learning more about DDR and/or talking to them, you should listen to the show and call in to discuss Dance Dance Revolution and the music rhythm genre as a whole. The show can be heard on AM radio in Phoenix, AZ or through the internet anywhere in the world.
Just check out www.chatterboxgameshow.com for all the info on the show.
-Alon
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I still play DDR, but this covers my thoughts about that quote exactly. Besides, you could easily say the same thing about most of the guys that try DDR.
I'm willing to bet that Lyra is one of those female anime otakus who couldn't imagine actually having sex with a real guy, so she's obsessed with yaoi drawings and Harry Potter slash fanfics.
Rob
Except that if there was a gamecube release I'd buy it. I can always use more physical activity, and some XBox-owning friends swear by DDR for fitness.
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DId cause Konami to bascicly say "F*ck it" and not release anymore US only release's since USA the rest are all import units from either Japan or Korea. Also the articles 50 diffrent releases includes the home releases included the append disks were one still needs the original game. ah fun with techincallitys.
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Wow, that started out interesting and ended up hillarious...
It wasn't very popular at the arcade where it came in, as it had only 3 foot pads. However, it also had 2 "kick" pads (you kicked your foot or hands through a low sensor), and 2 "arm" pads (the top pair of the same sensors).
You can find out more over here.
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The only real games to come out are Party Collection, and Dancing Stage Unleashed. The releases are winding down. The last arcade release was December 25th, 2002.
/. had some article on it a couple months back. It's almost ready for release now.
It's even more sad how neglected the other games in the series are, like Beatmania and Keyboardmania. (Both now discontinued) Guitarfreaks and Drummania/Percussionfreaks found a niche.
My very reliable friend also told me that a DanceManiaX 3rd mix should be coming out soon, though, so not all hope is lost.
The latest arcade release of a dancing game, aside from PIU stuff would be In The Groove.
I know of 2 freesource clones of DDR.
Stepmania seems to be the most popular of the two, but seems to depend on propriatary data ripped from DDR (which became an issue when someone tried to put it in debian).
Pydance only has 3 songs for it, but is otherwise ok.
you know its become a big thing when its a part of television shows. Just this weekend Malcom in the Middle did an episode where Hal (the father) competed against teenagers in Dance Dance Revolution competition (for free pizza tickets).
... and that was so obviously NOT a DDR machine that I must conclude that you're either blind, or an idiot.
If you are at a small arcade they will usually replace a joystick if you ask nicely, the mall arcades often employ people who wouldn't even know how to change a joystick. They just give you your coins back, put the game out of order and tell whoever the tech is to fix it when he comes in that week.
Hey. I worked in a mall arcade. I could replace on a joystick on almost all the machines in the store [some had special locks or keys which prevented employee access]. That being said, you know why it wasn't done while we were on shift collecting your change and things? Time.
When there are 2 employees working the entire store, one can't take ~25 minutes and fix a single broken game out of a hundred or so. It's far more efficient for a tech-guy to come in for an 8 hour shift than it is for the entire store to be short handed every time something small breaks.
*sigh* normally I can leave all the bitter cynics in the Linux debates and read fun stuff in the game section. So, ever tried games for entertainment?
My brother and his friends have becore rabid DDR fans, however since they live in a dorm, they have their own equipment.
He brought it home for new years and we took it to our church of all places for a new years party. I assure you, far more girls tried it than guys.
Now, I'm not too fond of the game. I'm so massively coordinated that I routinely walk into door frames, but I'll try anything for awhile.
One last thing. (flameing I suppose) If you're *not* a freak among otaku, how do you know about girls obsessing over little known anime characters like Yaoi?
Ok, I'm done now.
We've had several excellent papers on DDR, esp. the excellent paper on the introduction of the game in the U.S. by David Liu. You can find the papers which we have permission to make available at our project archives here: http://hpslab.stanford.edu:16080/projects/HTGG/mai n.html
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DDR itself has been through a various number of changes and it still goes through more now. I can only read of the past,but I'm part of its future now. I've been playing for about 5 months now, getting used to all difficulties,but I can't do any of that stuff like tricks and such, but I'm an active casual/arcade/computer(stepmania) player. Its good to see the community grow,but its also sad to see when the machines don't get used =\.
In the city I live, there is a DDR Solo 2000 machine,only has one pad instead of two, at a family pizza place. Seeing how the other machine closest to me,DDR Max2 7th mix, is a city away, I sometimes go to play the Solo 2000 machine. When I get there, usually I see the norm of little kids trying to jump up and down on it, and act like they dance to it.Other than that,no one else touches it. I sit down with food and then immediately go up to play it. I notice that people watch me play it,and obviously hear it, due to the metal pad,but they can't hear the music,due to the crowd and the machine volume turned down. Other than that, few people rarely touch it that can play it.
On the other hand,when I go to play the 7th mix machine, I see people from all races step up and play,not trying to stereotype,but asians being the best ^^ Maybe I can fix that one day.Anywho, I see various people play it from time to time,when I'm not on it myself. Its good to see DDR gaining slight media attention on various television shows, like South Park,and Malcom in the Middle, but its great that it still can hold up its underground competitive scene. I live in South Carolina in the US,and my city of Sumter won't seem to gain anymore players anytime soon ^^;
I await DDR's future changes and innovations with awe and inspiration.
-Mizerable