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Rutan's SpaceshipOne Hits 200,000 Feet

An anonymous reader writes "Burt Rutan's privately-built SpaceshipOne is one step closer to winning the X-Prize after zooming to what witnesses say was somewhere around 200,000 feet on only its third powered flight. (See also the partial update from Scaled Composites.)"

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  1. geez by B3ryllium · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nearly 38 miles ... dayam, that's practically low earth orbit ...

    1. Re:geez by DroopyStonx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Low Earth Orbit is actually about 93 miles (150 km) up.

      Almost halfway there, not bad.

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    2. Re:geez by hanssprudel · · Score: 3, Informative


      No, LEO starts at around 200 miles (above 300 km). And the altitude is only half the trick to orbit, the other is speed...

    3. Re:geez by DroopyStonx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually... this is wrong too. 93km is the limit in which the gravitational drag becomes smaller, but orbit at that level is very unstable as the object will eventually fall back to earth.

      Stable orbit is 350km minimum to 1400 km

      More info here

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    4. Re:geez by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any idea what the launch cost is expected to be or how much payload there is on SpaceShipOne?

      It may be fun and cynical to attribute the cost of getting to space to bureaucratic overhead, but it's seldom true. Getting to space is HARD.

      By the way, I think you're confusing your stereotypes of the military and of NASA. Although, NASA has had its problems, too, mainly for being too trusting of contractors. The company that I used to work at, Rockwell Collins, once had a contract for the shuttle. The shuttle project had no cap, so everyone started charging their hours to it. Rockwell was eventually caught and punished, but you get the idea.

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  2. Re:Um ah... by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can you even see Spaceship 1 at 200,000? If I recall, the engine cuts off and Spaceship 1 coasts up the rest of the way, so there is no trail to follow.

    True, there's no exhaust track. But you can follow it on radar, or through a telescope, or you can estimate the altitude based on altitude and velocity at engine cutoff.

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  3. Re:Re-launch? by mahdi13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They got the OK to run manned LEO (Low Earth Orbit) flights from the DOT (Department of Transportation) for the next year, so I'd say it's a safe bet that they will be doing this again a couple more times.

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  4. altitude is only half the trick to orbit, the othe by dpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the way I heard it, altitude is only 1/25 the trick to orbit. The other 24/25 is speed. I might presume that the kinetic energy necessary for LEO isn't really 24X the potential energy of that altitude, but perhaps that rather reflects hauling the fuel up there to build up the velocity. I need to sit down and do some math on this.

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  5. Re:Paid by the microsoft tax by InternationalCow · · Score: 3, Informative

    It wasn't. Paul Allen is no longer of Microsoft, although he lives off the money he made when he still was part of it. Never mind where the money came from. If this takes off (pun intended), scaled up versions of the Rutan plane may one day bring us hypersonic passenger transport. From Amsterdam to New York in one hour, anyone? It'd be nice to see a private venture beat NASA, ESA and every other *SA out there. AND I would be first in line for the first intercontinental sub-orbital flight.

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  6. Re:Re-launch? by captain_craptacular · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a lot of difference between spaceship one and a space shuttle. FOr example the entire exterior of the shuttle has to be examined and significant sections replaced due to the heat of re-entry. This is not an issue for spaceship one because it doesn't gain a fraction of the altitude or speed of the shuttle...

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  7. Re:Two thirds of the way there... by msheppard · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article fails to do the math for us...

    The test appears to have got the space craft to 61Kilometers, the Xprize is 100Kilometers (twice)

    So yes, they are getting close.
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  8. Salvage One by freshfromthevat · · Score: 3, Informative
    Andy Griffith flew Salvage One

    Salvage 1 webpage

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  9. Photos... by arashiakari · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are links to the photos from the flight directly off their servers. Shot of earch in background... Apogee

  10. Re:Does anyone know? by foolish · · Score: 4, Informative
    You can follow the full progress of the Armadillo team at http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Ho me.

    They're making some really neat progress with the jet vane concept, but until they get site and vehicle clearance they won't be coming close to catching up with the Scaled Team.

    That's ok though, each team: Scaled, Armadillo, XCor, DaVinci, etc. is approaching things differently, so who knows we might end up with a heterogenous and competitive rocket industry.

    Heck, there's even JP Aerospace with their airship/ballon platform to orbit method!

  11. Re:Does The X-Prize Ship by cmowire · · Score: 3, Informative

    It needs to launch again 2 weeks later with no more than some arbitrarily set percentage of mass (ablative shielding, fuel, etc) replaced. So they need a minimum amount of refurbishment between flights.

  12. Info from Scaled Composites by TyrelHaveman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the actual information release from Scaled:
    "Launch conditions were 46,000 feet and 120 knots. Motor light off occurred 10 seconds after release and the vehicle boosted smoothly to 150,000 feet and Mach 2.5. Subsequent coast to apogee of 211,400 feet. During a portion of the boost, the flight director display was inoperative, however the pilot continued the planned trajectory referencing the external horizon. Reaction control authority was as predicted and the vehicle recovered in feather experiencing 1.9M and 3.5G's. Feather oscillations were actively damped by the pilot and the wing was de-feathered starting at 55,000 feet. The onboard avionics was re-booted and a smooth and uneventful landing made to Mojave." - Scaled Composites LLC

    So it looks like it went to 211,400 ft. Those witnesses knew what they were talking about.

  13. Re:Third Flight by jan+de+bont · · Score: 2, Informative
    It was approx. the 54th flight of the carrier aircraft and the 14th flight of the spacecraft. 'Third flight' refers to the third time they fired the rocket on the spacecraft.

    Source: The "Test Updates" page on the scaled composites web site (link in article).

    Jan

  14. Re:Videos by brap999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its on there website in the photos section, they have some movie clips. Here's the link: http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/New_Index/p hotos/photos_text.htm

  15. Hardly ICBM by qaguru · · Score: 1, Informative

    The payload and the range of SpaceShipOne is less then a primitive Scud rocket. It does not have military value.

  16. Current rocket plane records (X15) by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speed: 4520MPH/Mach 6.7 William Knight.

    Altitude: 354300 ft (107.9 km, 67.1 mi) Joseph Walker.

    IIRC, the x prize contender would not necessarily break the height record, since it would only require an altitude of 100km or 330000 ft. However, the trick is the vehicle must (a) be privately funded, (b) be capable of carrying two passengers in addition to the pilot and (3) repeat the feat within two weeks.

    Undoubtedly the X prize contestant will probably go the extra 7 km and break the altitude record for good measure.

    FYI: William Knight recently passed away on May 7.
    http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-050804a. html

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  17. Re:Two thirds of the way there... by another_henry · · Score: 4, Informative
    It doesn't actually require 3 people. 1 pilot and sandbags (or whatever) equivalent to two other people are also allowed.

    Presumably Rutan will have designed for this weight. It's probably just a matter of filling up the tanks all the way, but they'll be doing more testing than just "kick the tires and light the fires".

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  18. Re:Videos by wthompson · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only video footage I have come across is on SpaceDev's Web site. It shows a joint White Knight/SpaceShipOne take off.

  19. Re:altitude is only half the trick to orbit, the o by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unless you go straight up as far as you can, and try to make a sharp turn.

    And have some magical engine capable of thrusting you to 17,000 mph in a short instant (and some kind of dampening field so you wont be killed from the acceleration)

    That's why space vehicles curve backwards as they accelerate through the atmosphere so they have plenty of angular velocity once they reach the proper altitude. Maintaining orbit is all about getting to the proper angular speed tangental to the earth.

    Orbitting the earth is much more difficult than touching space on a ballistic trajectory. You need way more engine power and heat ablative materials and design to handle the re-entry friction.

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  20. Re:Another competitor by savuporo · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are probably thinking Brian "RocketGuy" Walker.
    He hasnt made much of a progress as of late, due to personal life interfering.
    You can follow all of those developments on HobbySpace RLV News and Space Log

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  21. Re:Some intriguing pics of the flight here by savuporo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thats their previous, April 8th flight.
    Alans Mojave Weblog has more on that one

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  22. Re:Wet Blanket by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hate to be a wet blanket here, but does winning the X-Prize really get us any closer to privatization of space? The real question here is if having achieved the X-Prize, can the winning entry be modified to lead directly to LEO -- I suspect not. Most notably missing is the ability to survive the extreme thermal stress from the much higher velocities on reentry.

    It doesn't matter that the current vehicles have no hope of getting to LEO. Suborbital is useful and potentially profitable by itself. Tourism is one possibility. People pay tens of thousands of dollars for an hour in a MiG-29, and you can probably find customers willing to pay a similar amount for a ride into space. Another possibility is microsatellites. Once you're in space, you can launch another rocket from your suborbital craft to put a very small (on the order of a kilogram) satellite into orbit, and there appears to be a market for this sort of thing as well if it can be done cheaply.

    Scaled Composites is planning on revenue from both of these markets, from what I remember. They aren't just running a research program, they're also aiming to turn it into something that makes money. Once you have profitable, private suborbital vehicles, orbit can come in a natural, slow progression.

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  23. Re:Gov't oversight?? by bullitB · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Federal Aviation Administration is an agency of the Department of Transportation, so both XCOR and and Scaled Composites dealt with the DOT. I'm guessing Scaled Composites didn't want to spend the time getting a commercial license, since they don't see the need to sell payload space; XCOR may be financing their operation this way. NASA is a scientific agency, so their standardization of "astronaut" as being above 50 miles is just for consistency, I guess.

    As for too many agencies being involved, I guess I'm not so sure here. There is limited airspace, so regulation is needed to keep the skies safe, and rockets full of explosive fuels could certainly pose a hazard to the public. Therefore, requiring testers to check with the authorities first seems like a logical thing to do. Contrary to what many have been grumbling about over the apparent slow-down in space exploration (a government conspiracy to keep private industry out of space, for instant), the relevant agencies seems to be open to allowing people with something to actually test to do their testing. In fact, if XCOR is any indication, the gov't seems to be interested in allowing private industry to take the next step and conduct for-profit space flight.

    For now.

  24. Re:Just think by Snarph · · Score: 2, Informative
  25. Re:geez-- employee of NASA?? by elhaf · · Score: 2, Informative

    google it. You "must work for NASA" (make that Lockheed Martin) if you get your units wrong.

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  26. ah hem....Radar? by clbyjack81 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I think they invented this technology a couple of years ago. It was refered to as 'radar'.

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  27. Re:altitude is only half the trick to orbit, the o by ThosLives · · Score: 3, Informative
    I might presume that the kinetic energy necessary for LEO isn't really 24X the potential energy of that altitude
    You would be presuming correctly. For a circular orbit:

    ma = mv^2/r
    F = GMm/r^2 so v^2 = GMm/r

    So kinetic energy K = m/2 GM/r

    Potential energy, though, is defined as the integral from an infinite distance to the current radius:
    U = GMm/r

    Oddly enough, this means that the kinetic energy is always half the potential energy for a circular orbit (2K = U)

    Also, note that if your kinetic energy equals or exceeds your potential, then you're at or above escape velocity and aren't in orbit any more (Vescape^2 = GM/r).

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  28. Orbit nothing to do with altitude by waimate · · Score: 2, Informative
    Achieving orbit has almost *nothing* to do with altitude. It's all to do with horizontal speed. The only good thing about altitude is that it gets you out of the atmosphere which would otherwise keep slowing you down due to friction.

    To put this in perspective, the amount of energy you need to expend to get sufficient horizontal velocity (about 7 miles per second), if expended going straight up (like the X-Prize people are doing), would take you 700 miles high.

    In simple terms, going 50 miles straight up is dealing with about one fourteenth the amount of energy you'd need to deal with to attain orbit.

  29. Re:Privitization of space is dangerous... by rebelcool · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do you know how much energy would be required to move an *asteroid* from its orbit?

    Even a very small asteroid would require hundreds, perhaps thousands, of megatons of nuclear detonations to nudge it a degree or two.

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  30. Re:Privitization of space is dangerous... by astro-g · · Score: 2, Informative

    sure, and how are you going to aim it?

    how many nukes is this (small) spaceship
    carrying not even a tiny fraction of the distance to this hypothetical asteroid of yours? in a pathetic attempt to deflect the asteroid

    if SS1, or its like could reach an asteroid, its allready within seconds of hitting the earth, and if it could deflect it, its too small to worry about anyway.

  31. Re:Rocket Planes and Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    um, most current x projects are managed by NASA; x37, x43a for example...