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Metal Velcro

RotJ writes "British scientists have developed technology that can grow structures up to 2 millimetres high and 0.2 millimetres in diameter on metal surfaces. Dubbed Surfi-Sculpt, it 'will act like ultra-strong Velcro to form much tougher joints between metals and lightweight composite materials'."

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  1. Let me be the first to say... by Scorpion_1169 · · Score: 4, Funny

    OUCH!!! I really wouldnt want to accidentally sit on that stuff. Think cactus spines that refuse to come out.

  2. Awesome by thedillybar · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This looks like a great idea, I just hope it holds up well to age and fatigue.

    It will be interesting to see whether or not this actually makes it into production anytime in the near future (or even in our lifetime). I hope so.

  3. Mi5? (Re:Fast to create as well) by otisg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q is alive! Q is alive!

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  4. Other applications? by beeplet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's pretty impressive, even if it's not the hook-and-eye structure that the word "velcro" first brought to mind.

    I'm sure there must be other applications besides bonding that would benefit from increased surface area. Heatsinks, maybe?

    1. Re:Other applications? by xmda · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did you read the article:

      The projections could be used to encourage bone to grow onto artificial hips. They could also be used in electronics to produce heat sinks of just about any shape.

    2. Re:Other applications? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The sibling to this comment put aside for a moment (or longer), this technology will probably not make heat sinks all that much more efficient, but it may provide improvements in the methods of manufacturing them. There is a certain minimum clearance between fins of a heat sink beyond which airflow will suffer significantly. This will vary based on pressure, in that the smaller the hole is, the more pressure you need to get a decent flow rate through it.

      To me, the primary benefit appears to be the improved speed of manufacturing, not the precision - though that is certainly a positive factor. In fact, since I mention radiators, building complicated structures like that could more easily be done by a machine. It would be really slick if you could have an enclosed robotic system that would build radiators from stocks of tubing and varying sizes of aluminum ribbon and sheet. Aluminum racing radiators, 1-n cores, while-u-wait - and they could be sold for the price of an ordinary radiator because they would be completed very rapidly. Just run out a length of the stuff, crimp to shape, zap it with the electron beam, and push it together.

      One has to wonder if you could somehow employ this technique on a larger scale to get penetration, so you could do fusion welding without having to bring an arc near. Then you really could build just about anything. All you need is a plasma cutter, a small-scale electron welder, and a large-scale one. Metal parts can be cut to shape and welded, and parts made of other materials can be supplied to the system pre-formed.

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  5. Isn't the point of velcro by ProudClod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That you can pull it apart?

    If the bond on this stuff is so very very strong, then what advantages does it lend over, say, epoxy?

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    1. Re:Isn't the point of velcro by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I imagine repairing/replacing a space shuttle tile becomes a whole lot more realistic.

  6. Heatsinks by Mifflesticks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Up to 10x the surface area of the sheet of metal? Sounds like it could make for a great low-profile heatsink. Of course, development costs could be prohibitive, but still...

    1. Re:Heatsinks by Raynach · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Did anyone RTFA?

      They could also be used in electronics to produce heat sinks of just about any shape.

      This _would_ make a wicked heat sink. And mentioning that it can be make in any form could really turn heatsinks from structures that jut far out from the chip to something that is conservative on space.

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  7. Re:Fast to create as well by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Informative
    us Brits have always been jealous of the Yanks for inventing the zip anyway/i>

    Really? Strange, since the modern zipper was invented by Canadian Gideon Sundback.

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  8. The advantage is... by Tau+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that the attachment of e.g. fibers in a composite to the metal protrusions does not depend on the bonding mechanism of a glue. The glue may age and fail, but the mechanical entanglement will not.

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  9. Re:And I hate to point this out... by f13nd · · Score: 4, Informative

    it's not like dragging your finger through clay though

    when you use the beam, then drag it, the metal will accumulate near the start point, not where the beam is

    in all, it's a pretty cool application of physics, really, and deserves this patent

    at least they're not trying to patent electrons

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  10. Re:Fast to create as well by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's not a laser at all, but an electron beam. And as for the speed at which an electron beam can be scanned over a square surface, chances are you're staring at a demonstration of this as you read this.

    This is the same technology that is used in CRT's, but scaled up a few orders of magnitude in power. And a computer just draws shapes with it, like an old vector graphics screen. Not just commercializable, it's easy to do.

  11. Re:Fast to create as well by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Check the link I gave for a picture of an earlier version, Whitcomb Judson's clasp locker. Now I ask you, would you wear one of those on the crotch of your pants? Didn't think so!

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  12. Low-gravity? by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They say that they can get structures up to 2mm high and .2mm across, but that's under the influence of gravity. I wonder if this process would work in zero-G, and perhaps work better to create longer structures or different shapes for even stronger bonds?

    This is very good news for composite fiber development. While composite has been exceptionally strong and light, it's difficult to find reliable ways to attach things to it. You basically have to build the fittings into the composite material. "Sticky-metal" fittings might make composites less expensive to use.

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  13. Spiderman, Spiderman.... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does whatever a spider can,
    Bonds to lightweight
    Composites
    Or other metal
    Surfaces

    Watch out!
    Here comes the Spidermaaaaaan!

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  14. pulling velcro apart by moviepig.com · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Isn't the point of Velcro that you can pull it apart?

    Literally pulling two Velcro blocks apart can be next to impossible. Usually it's a matter of peeling Velcro apart... which should work here too if one of the bondees (the "composite", presumably) is flexible.

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  15. Gobsmacking? by stienman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "When we first realised we could do this we were absolutely gobsmacked," Dance says.

    Brilliant! Those boffins have really done it now. Just a quick electron scan and Bob's your uncle!

    gobsmacked adj. Nothing to do with punching people in the face (although I'm sure that's where it derives from originally), to describe someone as being gobsmacked means they're very surprised or taken aback.
    From here.

    Although I didn't realize that boffin was somewhat of an insult. That would have been embarrassing, interviewing for a position and referring to your interviewer as a boffin...

    -Adam

  16. Right out of Ariadne by Thagg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The New Scientist magazine, back when I was in school in the early 80's, had a column on the last page of each issue, descibing the exploits of the mythical engineer/scientist Daedalus (actually David E H Jones.)

    He had proposed doing exactly this, but with glass, back in one of these columns. It was exactly the same method and result.

    It's not the first time that Daedalus's speculative inventions have turned into reality. A couple of books have been published collecting the best of Daedalus.

    thad

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  17. So, anybody here think... by cr0sh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...this stuff will be stronger than JB-Weld?

    JB-Weld, for those of you who don't know, is probably number one in the list of tools for rednecks and others (right next to duct tape, baling wire, and bubblegum) who need to make a repair fairly quickly, and want it to remain in place.

    JB-Weld is strong - very strong. It is a two-part epoxy (comes in slow and quick setting versions) which I have yet to find an equal to.

    My brother-in-law repaired the cracked housing of a blower off the diesel engine on his 10-wheel dump truck (it was alluminum, and he didn't have the equipment to properly weld it) - that repair lasted 5 years before he "retired" the truck (actually, the engine block cracked), probably would have lasted even longer...

    I use it all the time - if it is something that I can't weld but I need to have it stay together (under heat, pressure, vibration, or other high stress especially) - JB Weld is my first choice. I have seen it hold shit together where you would swear it would have to be welded (more or less, it is - just an epoxy "weld") to stay together.

    Now, I know this "metal velcro" is supposed to be an "industrial process" - meaning it will likely never be available for home use in the near future. I also know there are industrial epoxies. I wonder if any of them would beat the pants off of JB-Weld - though I wonder if JB is already an industrial epoxy packaged for "small project" use - I wish I could buy that stuff in larger quantities...

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  18. The composite material would form the seal, right? by LairBob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think you've got a point if you're just going to leave the surface exposed to normal air once it's been sculpted, but assuming that you weren't careless in storing it till it's used, then once the composite's been bonded to it, that should take care of any rusting problem, right?

    This isn't meant for surfaces that are meant to stay exposed--it's a method to prepare them for some kind of further use, like composite bonding.

  19. Mushrooms vs. hooks by tgibson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting quality about velcro. If you replace the hooks with mushrooms, the loops grab under the head of the mushrooms and the fastening becomes permanent (i.e. you can't separate the two pieces).

    I'm sure this version velcro is used in many areas. I became aware of it via a friend working in pest control. The nets he was using on buildings to prevent access by pigeons were fastened using this version of velcro.