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NASA's New 'Exploration' Insignia
colonist writes "NASA has a new insignia for the program set by the Vision for Space Exploration. This UPI article describes it: "Three spheres--Earth, the moon and Mars--are arrayed in sequence, with the streak of a rocket passing through each. A Latin inscription on the emblem says 'Audentes Fortuna Juvat,' which, translated into English, says 'Fortune Favors the Bold.'" Compare it with other space mission insignia."
I don't think there's many things that haven't changed much like nasa's insignias. To me they're all so delightfully kitsch 50s stuff.
Nice to see something with continuity... even nicer that I like that base design.
Why do all these insignias use Latin? More people know English. NASA's English-speaking.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Didn't Sisko say this in DS9?
Is it just me, or is NASA more of a marketing organization these days? Quit with the speeches and gimmicks and start working towards actually going somewhere interesting (aka Mars, Moon, etc.). I'd rather my taxpayer dollars do that than hype up going to one of these places :-/
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Darn, now I need someone to sew one of these onto my cool GeekMan(TM) action figure battle spacesuits!
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'Audentes Fortuna Juvat,' which, translated into English, says 'Fortune Favors the Bold.'
To boldy go where no man has gone before.
Woman, having previously been there last year.
that the new insignia hints at the future without explicitly including specific targets outside of our moon and Mars.
Visual representations like this can help reinforce what the mission is all about.
I think its cool.
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That's a bit rude. It's actually a valid point. It's disheartening to see tax-payers money being spent on promoting the unlikely.
Safe, sensible, and on the ground.
They hold the purse strings. Without the support of congress, NASA couldn't go.
"Open the pod by doors, Hal" > "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave" sudo "Open the pod bay doors, Hal" > alright
As long as they left off Europa, I think we'll be okay.
At least something "international" is relatively effective. Anything labelled "international" on earth just sits there looking pretty.
Why does NASA need its own television channel?
And 'Public Relations' department?
These days?
They have always had insignias for all sorts of things (there are literally 100's of them).
I believe it's generally to promote a cohesive team feeling within the groups working on the projects (show off your badges and shit) rather than a marketing ploy.
It's just you.
Three spheres--Earth, the moon and Mars--are arrayed in sequence, with the streak of a rocket missing all three and flying straight into the sun
One badge team must have been working in metric, the other in imperial.
... all our money is spend.
So, no astronaut, you don't get to go.
In fact, due to budget restraints:
You are fired
Why not use this insginia instead?
Then again, I suppose the majority of Congress are not quite the type...
"Fortune Favors the Bold".
.001% chance of something going wrong, and we just can't have that!!
Too bad it doesn't seem to be true these days. Seems to me that the U.S. is so risk-averse that any attempt at space travel will be terribly expensive and will take decades. Not because the technology isn't there (remember, we DID go to the moon 35 years ago), but because there might be a
When we DO finally get space travel sorted out, my suggestion is to put the lawyers and insurance CEOs on the first flight and aim it at the sun (Hey, it's Pauly Shore! And Rosie! Ding ding ding goes the trolley!).
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The ISS will be in the sky over Toronto looking pretty tonight just after 10pm. With that and all the Victoria Day fireworks ready to go, of course it's going to be wet and overcast the whole long weekend. Poot!
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I am sure they are working to make this new vision of exploration come true, that's not the problem. Lack of political support could be a problem though. Also, I think they had insignias and badges and logos since they started. That's not anything all their scientists and engineers are doing, taking up all their time.
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Why is that it's always the person who works at 7-11 who's concerned about where his tax dollars are going?
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Is it just me, or is NASA more of a marketing organization these days?
Just these days? As I recall, the focus of NASA back in it's heyday was scoring propaganda victories in the Cold War.
The single most practical reason for the moon landing was to show up the Soviets.
The insignia shows that Mars is only one in a chain. Quite appropriate, me thinks!
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Privatize NASA. And while we're at it, privatize the post office, too. I'm sick of them increasing the price of stamps while they spend wads of cash promoting their new collector stamps. Fuckin' stupid.
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Because the less money you have after tax, the more you worry about where the chunk the government took is going.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
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translated into English, says 'Fortune Favors the Bold.'
Fortune? How Ferrengi of us. As American Indians are rumored to have said, "Moon people, watch you land! These guys will try to take it."
(One thing about slashdot is that you can mispell just about any word, and nobody complains. But, mispell a Trek word and you are vaporized by the masses.)
Table-ized A.I.
Reminds me of some software projects. First the logo, then the web site, then the coffee cups, and finally start arguing about what is to be accomplished.
"Fortune favors the bold", huh? So what favors the feeble? Whatever that is, NASA should be shopping for some of that.
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Greek astronomers had figured out that the Earth was round several centuries before Cladius. They drew on several lines of evidence: the shape of the Earth's shadow during lunar eclipses, the change in constellations visible at different latitudes, and the fact that the masts of ships sailing away from port disappear long after their hulls.
Any Roman who paid attention in school would have known that the Earth was round, too.
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From Virgil's Aeneid, Liber X, 284:
"Audentis Fortuna iuvat" (or juvat, or iuuat or juuat)
they made a typo... it's not Audentes, we could discuss about how to pronunciate or write 'juvat', but Audentes it's a different case, it's just plain wrong...
Isn't that rocket going directly into the heart of the sun? That's bad, right?
NASA need a PA department! Without it, scientists and engineers would blather like Ellie Arroway (CONTACT).
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hahah fortune favors the bold.. reminds me of DS9 :)
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all these insignia look like some sort of Boy Scout "Earth Orbit" or "Space Exploration" badges...
Maybe that's Bush's plan for 2020.
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Its triplanetary! Curse those filthy Boskonians....
why genitive singular (-is)? why not accusative plural (-es)?
I believe it was Cpt. Kirk who said...
Fortune Favors the Foolish
"Stulti Fortuna Juvat"
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His next plan is to bring "Faster, Better, Cheaper" to the B.U. School of Medicine. What a great concept for providing health care... Let's hope it works better than it did for NASA under his watch.
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NASA has a great PR operation. They should realize that's their core business area and dump the space operations.
If you move the V shape a little to the center, and get rid of the planets, it looks like the insigna from the first Star Trek show. Even the slogan sounds a little similar.
To boldly postulate where no one has postulated before.
not fortune as money.
think of:
Luck favors the prepared.
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No idea really, but I looked at the design and the slogan, and it made me think of Starship Troopers, and I shuddered.
Hmmm
Yes...because so many of your precious tax dollars went to the 5 seconds it took to think to put Virgil's maxim on a pretty little picture. One can only imagine the dire cost of that emblem...oh, the humanity!
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Did anybody else look at that logo and immediately think of a Red Dwarf episode?
Now all they need is funding, a plan, and some sort of stab at a space vehicle.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
We are going to here lots of wild stuff...the most obvious that comes to mind is the alignment of earth, moon and mars with a new star and the destructions it will bring to earth.
Ok, maybe NASA needs to reinvent itself every decade to prove it's relevance. Sure, maybe it needs a new logo, but GOD..it's total propaganda... earth moon mars and THE STARS! Sure that "may" be the progression, but really, there is so much more to space than simply travelling. The orbit telescopes, and probes tell us more than manned flight will EVER do.
I'm all for humankind spreading throughout the galaxy like a virus and all, but jesus there is a lot more to learn before we can even attempt mars and beyond missions. Let's use our heads (and save $$ in the process), and get the most of existing resource directions, and not focus on political "pie in the sky" mars,alpha centuri,etc missions that will drop money in a hole (kind of like IRAQ).
Nasa, unfortunately, often is just a space-related
propaganda machine for the present administration. Ideas like the mars Rovers, and the Hubble etc have done more for Nasa than other programs because their major goal was science. Manned missions usually do little for science and just stroke us w/ flag waving hysteria.
Items like this logo reinforce the power of politics over science.
And the red-white-blue sequence of colors is of course in no way intended to imply US ownership of the solar-system :).
This patch and a vast collection of 'white papers' is all that we'll ever see from this NASA initiative.
The papers will be the result of spending several billion dollars on studies with NASA aerospace industry contractors.
No hardware beyond conceptual models will be produced.
Sorry folks, but if you want to actually GO somewhere, NASA is no longer the most effective way to spend money to get there. In a few more years, NASA won't be able to get people to LEO any more. That makes getting to the moon or Mars difficult.
Delta Clipper series - 3 successful scale model flights of DC-X, project terminated for DC-XA after crash on 4th landing. It worked, though. Defunded in 1996 for the X-33 and following projects.
X-33 started 1996, ended 2001. Concrete was poured for a launch facility. Lots of parts moved in (and out) of an assembly hanger. NASA discovers that when in contact with liquid hydrogen, lots of materials turn brittle and fail under load. (This bit actually develops some good materials science.) Two completed aerospike rocket engines were built and operated in a test stand for 1.12 seconds.
X-37 orbital flight demonstrator. X40A scale model for free flight built in 1998. Fabrication of first X-37 started in 2001, with an orbital test planned for 2003. AIr Force withdrew support in 2002. Project defunded in 2003.
CEV - Announced 2003. NASA Request for Information sent to contractors in April 2004. "Spiral development" plan call for launching a stripped down prototype in 2008, containing only about 30 percent of the systems of a fully developed craft, unpiloted test flights in 2011, and a manned mission in 2014.
"Audentes Fortuna Juvats" was the official motto of the 391st and then became the motto of the 80th Fighter Squadron, after the 391st was incorporated and reformed into the 80th. The lineage stretches back to the Second World War and the members of the 80th are to this day "juvats". Seems a bit tacky to me that NASA stole the motto from an Air Force squadron, but then again what do I know.
Nice new exploration logo, but shouldn't it be 'iuvat'?
Well, she said "Fortune Favors the Brave," but that's close enough, eh?
Ummm...how many times have you asked your congresscritter to join in writing the check? If the answer is zero, NASA is doing more to make it happen than you are.
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Hah, thats a ripoff on 2001!
> Why is that it's always the person who works at 7-11 who's concerned
> about where his tax dollars are going?
Because percentage wise, the guy managing a 7-11 is paying more than His Billness at MSFT. (Especially when you figure the whole 15% FICA load as tax, which anyone being honest must.) Because the couple of K$ that guy at 7-11 is contributing to the Welfare State HURTS more than the insane in dollars but not hurting figure Warren Buffet pays.
That lack of pain is why Warren Buffet is calling for higher taxes (of course he SAYS just for 'the rich' but we are now wise to how Democrats decide who is rich and where most of the actual money for the treasury comes from) and why the guy at 7-11 considers cutting taxes as a key voting issue. He is working 50+ hours a week watching non-working idiots come into his 7-11 all day spending food stamps at his overpriced CONVENIENCE STORE; and he knows the money was ripped out of his kids mouths. Income redistribution isn't some abstract theory for him, it is gritty reality and he doesn't like being on the wrong end of it.
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Greek astronomers had figured out that the Earth was round several centuries before Cladius
Eratosthenes for example is often credited with measuring the earth with a stick, a pretty accurate measure of it's circumference. For him to do this B.C. he would have already got the idea the earth was a sphere earlier, or atleast want to use what he knew about geometry to prove the theory.
Now there were much in the way of educated Greeks, in fact I believe one of the earlier versions of the christian bibles was in Greek. I believe also, at least according to my catholic upbringing, it was translated into Latin simply because a hell of alot more people were literate in Latin. But whether Greek or Latin... it was seen by comon folk that someone who knew either or was smart, or at least literate. I imagine this is why it sounds better to say intelligent a word with Latin roots then smart which likely has Germanic orgins.
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To me, the logo looks like a billiard stunt that someone has set up; "Eight ball over the red, white and blue, straight into the top left corner pocket in a single shot."
Of course, this could also be a scene from the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy (Chapter 34):
``Oh, I've heard of worse,'' said Ford, ``I read of one planet off in the seventh dimension that got used as a ball in a game of intergalactic bar billiards. Got potted straight into a black hole. Killed ten billion people.''
``That's mad,'' said Mella.
``Yes, only scored thirty points too.''
> The single most practical reason for the moon landing was to show
> up the Soviets.
Exactly. Which is why I don't look to NASA for the next steps in space. Although it must be admitted that the Cold War motives for Apollo were legit and contributed about as much to winning the War as Reagan's key insight that declaring the Emperor to be naked would work wonders.
Yes I know all of the physics reasons why the X-Prize is meaningless, that getting to 100KM isn't anything like the greater effort to have an ORBIT at 100km, etc. But when it gets won it will create the mindset (admittedly mostly among the ones who don't understand what a small step it actually is) needed to get the private funding flowing. Had we waited around for the government to develop aviation we would still be waiting for regular transcontinental flights. Military aviation would be much farther along but mostly classified.
All we need is one or two well heeled industrialists to realize that space is attainable and that there are LIMITLESS riches awaiting someone with the vision to reach out and seize them. And they need to be rich/powerful enough to say a big hearty FUCK YOU to the UN, France and John Kerry's ilk when they try invoking those old Soviet Era UN space treaties intended to hold the 1st world out of space for a century or two until the 3rd worlders catch up.
Once someone opens up space the rest of us will be able to follow as surely as the pilgrims on the Mayflower followed Columbus's well funded expedition of discovery and commercial exploitation. Like many of our forefathers we might travel in steerage, we might have to reinvent indentured servitude to pay the passage, but none of those details will deter the bold, the pioneers, the wanderers. Freed of a single overpopulated, overgoverned, overtaxed Earth, mankind will be Free! At least for a time.....
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... "I went to mars and all I got was this stupid insignia!"
That's no moon, that's a space station in Latin?
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
Or would that 'rocket flair' justify the latin being replaced by "Just Do It".
A lot of people have posted regarding the cost of space missions, either defending or chastising NASA for the amount spent. I think a better plan would be for the government to follow the lead of the Big Three, and do something about overruns.
Every contractor has the excuse "it's impossible to be exact, because we're learning new things", or something similar. Meanwhile, even the smallest programs spiral into the billions of dollars. So, instead of just allowing them to take the money as they see fit, put a cap on.
For example, an absolute limit of 10% overrun costs, and you'd better have a good excuse. If you can't deliver within those guidelines, that's your fault for not giving an adequate proposal. (Somebody should bring these places up on treason charges for lying to get government bids.) You receive nothing for your work, NASA/government keeps what you've built so far (and continuous tabs/records would ensure that a company doesn't destroy everything as that overrun approaches), and another company can bid from where you left off.
BTW, this would include QA checks, so no one can toss together something when the costs get too high. Also, a company has the option to continue, but at their own expense.
You know, like the real world...
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"Fortune Favors the Bold"
how do you say in latin: "i.e. not us."?
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Kind of like this actually.
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So I stretched the translation of 'space station'. Forgive me. Anybody have a better idea?
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Still, it has a very 'retrofuturistic' quality to it.. and personally, I wouldn't mind seeing these on the shoulders of whoever ends up standing on Mars.. it's got.. well, a classic feel to it.
John Kerry's ilk
Why do you single out Kerry? Considering George W Bush's viewpoints on terrorism, civil liberties, and missile defense- do you think he'll be any more likely to allow private individuals to build huge long-range guided rockets inside the USA?
He'll assign an ABL to zap you on the boost phase!
> Why do you single out Kerry?
1. He is the current standard bearer for the Democratic Party.
2. He is a closet socialist. Just a personal belief, he is smart enough to have never actually SAID it. But just as a first clue, consider that most of the hardcore Blame America First crowd responsible for the loss of the Vietnam War and subsequent massacres of millions were pro Viet Cong and pro Soviet. John Kerry was as hardcore in that movement as you get.
3. He believes in the UN. Does ANY doubt this? It is one of the few positions he has never waffled on during his entire public life. Who is more likely to enforce those old "no private spaceflight" treaties? W certainly doesn't consider himself bound by their edicts and a LOT of Republicans want us to withdraw from the UN entirely. Find ONE Democrat who would ignore a UN Security Council Resolution when they pronounce illegal the first attempt to establish a private moonbase? Or more useful, would have the stones to order our Ambassador to veto said Resolution?
4. He is a Democrat. nuff said. Yes there ARE Democrats left who believe in America, but not very many able to attain national office anymore. Sen. Zell Miller (D-GA) doesn't count, being appointed to fill a vacancy and not even bothering to stand for election this year.
5. He hates Free Enterprise, preferring Big Government. See #1, #2 and #3. (Although, being totally honest W seems to like both Free Enterprise AND Big Government considering how much the FedGov has grown under his watch. He wasn't my choice in the '00 primaries.)
> He'll assign an ABL to zap you on the boost phase!
Not if you stay on your flight plan and don't have a trajectory leading you into a population center. But if you WERE aimed at a population center I wish we did have those ABLs to blast ya. Yet another reason to vote against Kerry because vital projects like those would die on day one of his period of misrule.
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4. He is a Democrat.
So you hate Democrats, and thus decide to inject them into discussions where a representative politican of either party will behave in exactly the same way.
You might have the syndrome of "I agree with these guys on many positions, so I assume they'll agree with me on everything". That's common amoung optimistic voters who think that a major victory of their party will actually change something. But the fact is that 99% of all politicians want everything that matters to stay just as it is.
He hates Free Enterprise, preferring Big Government.
Both parties claim to love Free Enterprise, but they're both using the same euphemism: what they both really love is Big Business. (Although the D&R each give minorly different levels of preferences to different sectors- for example, the Teamsters are a big business, but loved by only one party)
The Republicans like Big Business- and Big Business likes government-enforced monopolies. Lockheed, Boeing, and Northrop are happy that only NASA can order space vehicles from them. Instead of having to trim margins in a competitive environment, their salaries are paid by taxpayers who can't choose to bring their spaceflight needs to another vendor.
Bush is a close friend of Lockheed CEO Hoffman- he won't do anything to undermine his buddy's lucrative contracts for everything that flies.
Not if you stay on your flight plan and don't have a trajectory leading you into a population center.
There's not enough time to notice. If the operator of a private space-vehicle swaps out the flight plan at the last minute, a totally legit orbital mission can become an unstoppable destroyer of the White House.
If the launch site is a Texan desert, then it'll strike Washington DC in 20 minutes. There's no way an intercept
You might argue that an ABL could sit by the launch pad, and automatically destroy the vehicle if it's aimed the wrong way. That's could work, although it has some major weaknesses, and imposes a high cost on the government. But it would only work for simple ballistic flights. A real space vehicle would have enough control at the orbital level to crash at chosen place on the continent.
Maybe the White House has missiles that can stop a 747 from reaching it- but they can't block a mini-spaceshuttle zooming downward at 5000 mph. So they'll protect themselves the only way they can: by never allowing that vehicle to be built.
> where a representative politican of either party
Product of the public schools I see. It should have been evident that I was asserting that the party did matter. Republicans in general do not care for the UN and it's orders. Name ONE Democrat on the national stage who doesn't fervently believe in the UN and it's moral authority.
Those old Soviet Era UN treaties are going to prove a major obstable to the commercial development of space unless we have a strong Republican president who will simply renounce them as the Soviet relics they are.
> Bush is a close friend of Lockheed CEO Hoffman
Oh spare me the black helicopter theories. A Republican president shooting down the creation of not just a few high paying jobs, but the birth of a whole NEW INDUSTRY, with the promise of being bigger than Silicon Valley and the upcoming Biotech revolution, to be lead by American firms? Just to make France and Kofi Annon[sp?] happy? Not on this planet he won't. And surely you don't think Burt Rutan is going to open up the Final Frontier all by himself in some idyllic rags to riches story. No, Lockheed, Boing and the rest of the aerospace gang will figure out a way to be right in the middle of it; building stuff and selling it for the sort of good profits that warm the cockles of any good Republican's heart. Being a believer in Capitalism as the best way to create and redistribute wealth, I couldn't be happier with that thought.
> Maybe the White House has missiles that can stop a 747
> from reaching it
We currently do not have anything that can stop a 747, a ballistic missle or a spacefaring vehicle. Which should frighten you and make you ask "why don't we?" and then "Why aren't we doing something about this?" Well W took the first important step by invoking the ABM Treaty's exit clause. Now it up to the chrome domes to actually cook up a workable system; because while I don't think W is nearly the idiot the Dems in the press make him out as, physicist he ain't. Some promising hints to date but nothing I really have a lot of faith in panning out yet. However I'm patient and confident that here there is a will, American technology will find a way.
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I believe that was mentioned in deep space nine in one of the 2 part episodes :) Everyday we're getting closer and closer to living like trekkies.
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