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Oxfam Launches Music Download Service

rahaydenuk writes "The BBC reports that Oxfam is backing the Big Noise Music website, which launches on Wednesday and will offer 300,000 songs for download. 10p of the 75p or 99p charge to download the songs will go to Oxfam and the service will be available across Europe."

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  1. What about.. by Karamchand · · Score: 4, Informative

    ..a link to Oxfam, a development, advocacy and relief agency working to put an end to poverty world-wide?

    1. Re:What about.. by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 5, Funny

      You want to /. a charity? That is low!

  2. can they compete with itunes by chaos421 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    once apple decides to open itunes out to the european market, will anyone be able to compete with that?

    1. Re:can they compete with itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yes. iTunes Music Store music is only portable if you have an iPod

      Funny. I don't have an ipod. I don't even have a mac. I buy music with iTunes, and burn to cd's to play in my old fashioned "cd player".

    2. Re:can they compete with itunes by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The grandparent's argument is quite sound; WMA, despite being proprietary and Microsoft, is still the more open choice for most consumers, ironically.

      Unless the WMA you happend to buy forbade copying to a portable device, or burning CD's. Or until the service goes belly-up - taking ou tthe licence server, and leaving you a month or two to discover this fact and somehow save your music into some other format before the licence expires...

      With iTunes and ITMS, I can use PlayFair (renamed to something I can't remember offhand) to have no DRM at all and convert to MP3 at will if I were silly enough to own a lump of plastic player music and was not an iPod. Can you do that with your WMA?

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    3. Re:can they compete with itunes by packeteer · · Score: 2, Informative

      With iTunes and ITMS, I can use PlayFair (renamed to something I can't remember offhand) to have no DRM at all and convert to MP3 at will if I were silly enough to own a lump of plastic player music and was not an iPod. Can you do that with your WMA?

      Yes.

      ANY music file i have used so far can be converted to mp3.

      1. Download Winamp
      2. Install and load up the files you wanna convert.
      3. Go to Options > Preferences, under Plug-Ins > Output click on "Nullsoft Disk Writer plug-in" then click configure and set the directory you want to save the WAV file.
      4. Now play all the music files you want to convert. This will rip out just the sound of the file in wav format to the directory you specified.
      5. Now take that wav and either play it or convert it to mp3 with something like cdex.

      Basically if you can find a way to play music you can convert it into a DRM free file.

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    4. Re:can they compete with itunes by rodgerd · · Score: 2, Informative

      MP3 is the "most open" choice for consumers. It is simply that much of the recording industry is profoundly disinterested in its customers.

    5. Re:can they compete with itunes by Cooke · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yeah thats a great idea use a lossy compression once to get the WMA format then use ANOTHER lossy compression to get to mp3. You now have a file that sounds nothing like the original!

      They should have the option to download in raw format then those who want to use compression can and the compression of their choice.

  3. the British connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How much is that cost per song measured in "cups of tea?"

    1. Re:the British connection by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 4, Funny

      FYI, (according to google);

      75 / cup = 317006.461m-3
      99 / cup = 418448.529m-3

      but then again, thats US cups..

    2. Re:the British connection by D-Cypell · · Score: 4, Funny

      The exchange rate is always moving so its hard to pin it down but...

      1 Cup of tea is equals to about 0.12 Big mac and fries, depending on the current market price of pigs testicles.

  4. And uh... by prisen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    10p of the 75p or 99p charge to download the songs will go to Oxfam And what percentage of the remaining 65p/89p goes to the artist that made the song, again?

    1. Re:And uh... by Tiro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't blame Oxfam for this. They have to play the capitalist game too.

      Blame the RIAA monopoly for the bands getting screwed.

    2. Re:And uh... by edoc · · Score: 5, Informative

      The artists have given consent that their songs can be used and distrubuted in this medium. The artists that will allow themselves to be distributed this way are doing so because they want to help Oxfam, not so much as to make huge lump somes of cash. The artists should be congratulated for not being so utterly greedy and helping out such a charitable organization.

    3. Re:And uh... by antic · · Score: 2, Informative

      The artists are most likely donating their music. When I was in the UK, there was a CD insert in a newspaper that supported OxFam and included the similar artists (Coldplay, etc).

      "Paying to download from BigNoiseMusic.com seems like a good idea when you know your money is going to help some of the world's poorest people."
      Chris Martin, Coldplay

      They launch in a couple of days, so the site is nearly void of FAQ-type information.

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  5. Formats? by eofpi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question is what formats do they support, and what kind(s) of DRM are used.

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    1. Re:Formats? by Jon+Chatow · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given that it's a repackaged OD2 service, WMA.

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    2. Re:Formats? by desplesda · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whatever DRM the labels tell them to use. Oxfam's using their music, after all.

    3. Re:Formats? by AndrewRUK · · Score: 4, Informative

      From looking at the site, it's impossible (as yet) to tell, since they're not actually launching until the 26th (this Wednesday) and it doesn't have much detail available yet.

      However, from other sites using the same back-end system (OD2), it doesn't look too promising - when I try any of them, I get a message saying "The site you have tried to enter requires Internet Explorer 5 (or better) with Windows Media Player 7 (or better) on Windows XP, 2000, Me or 98."

      We won't know for sure for a few days, but it doesn't look promising.

  6. Giving is good. by Nikkodemus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is more like it, I'd nearly feel good about using this service. Cool.

  7. It's OD2, that means... by ProudClod · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows only, IE only - judging by the other services they run.

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  8. p? by Joystickit · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real question is what the hell is a p? Is that like a gil, or something?

    1. Re:p? by SuperGillies · · Score: 5, Funny

      p:
      1. - pence - 100 of these make up 1GBP

      2. - the size of your brain

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    2. Re:p? by AndrewRUK · · Score: 3, Informative

      1p is one new pence (aka a penny) and is GBP0.01 (gah! Why does /. eat pound signs?) And in case you were wondering what that is in merkin money, the current exchange rate (according to xe.com) is 1.787 US dollars to the pound.

    3. Re:p? by AndrewRUK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, the dictionary definition of merkin is a pubic wig.
      The word "merkin" is sometimes used as a shortened form of "american".
      As for whether the later usage is meant to imply some form of link to the former usage, I couldn't possibly speculate on the matter.

  9. Helping the poor and the not-so-poor too by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tracks will cost between 75p and 99p, with 10p going to Oxfam. Acts featured include Coldplay and George Michael.

    "Artists will see their music help some of the poorest people in the world," Oxfam's Adrian Lovett said.


    10p for the poor, a large portion of 75p to 99p to the record companies, a itty bit of the rest to Big Noise and the artists.

    In short, helping the poor helps the record companies. Just give 10p to the poors in your area, or to the local charity, you'll feel better...

  10. I was going to say something like that by KhalidBoussouara · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So I'll post what I was going to say as a reply. My post details each option (buying or giving the money directly to charity) and what benefits the latter option brings to you.

    Imagine you have 7.50GBP.

    You could buy 10 songs from the service. Oxfam gets 0.75. The artists get hardly anything. You get a crappy WMA file infested with DRM.

    or

    You download 10 songs from the internet and donate half the money you were going to spend directly to oxfam. Oxfam receives 3.50GBP (500% increase). You recieve a high quality audio file which will work on a variety of systems and contains no DRM.

    Which would you choose? For legal reasons, I will not provide an answer. Of course most people will choose option 2 and keep the money for themselves but that's not the point. If you really want to help a charity there is always a better option than bowing down to a company.

    1. Re:I was going to say something like that by eyeye · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The other scenarios... some of the songs are 99p each.

      That means you can download 10 tracks for 9.90

      Many albums contain more than 10 tracks.

      So I would rather go to the shop, but the physical CD for 9.99 (a massive 9p extra) and probably get more tracks for my money.

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  11. I feel like a mineral resource. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a musician. Always have been.
    Make albums. Record other peoples. etc.

    I support Oxfam, but I am starting to feel like some kind of object. Everything I make will probably end up in some kind of big discount sale. A few more years and it will be commonplace to get media with a thousand records on it. Probably as a free gift along with your petrol.

    It makes records seem like the free coupons you get when you buy the right brand of detergant.

    It's kinda sad.

    1. Re:I feel like a mineral resource. by MuMart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the same for us geeks who write software. Information is a commodity like sugar. It's the 21st century, I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

    2. Re:I feel like a mineral resource. by Pastis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a software programmer. Always have been.
      Make programs. Review other peoples ones. etc.

      I support OSS, but I am starting to feel like some kind of object. Everything I make will probably end up in some kind of big discount sale. A few more years and it will be commonplace to get media with a thousand programs on it. Probably as a free gift along with your petrol.

      It makes programs seem like the free coupons you get when you buy the right brand of detergant.

      [wait! It already does that! Guess what? The solution is to charge for services. So play your music, charge recordings, make concerts, etc and make a living out of it. See the nice effect, more people will listen to your music.]

  12. Please be nice the oxfam box. - it runs on redhat by akbkhome · · Score: 5, Informative

    As one of the people who help maintain oxfam.org.uk - please be nice to the server - The server runs linux/apache/php combo (although the main pages are plain html).

    Unfortunatly the main server is scheduled for an upgrade - to a loadbalanced combo, rather than the current single box. (which has not happened yet) as it is currently quite heavily loaded. - especially when UK wakes up..

    Dont forget there are nice big Donate Now buttons on all the pages. (It's a very good cause) - with great people who use open source alot..

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  13. I know where my money is going. by AC-x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10p each track to charity is all well and good if the songs were say 20-30p each, but 75p to 1 quid? I don't think so. I may as well just go into Oxfam and buy a couple of quids worth of old cloths or whatnot, then all the money goes to Oxfam.

    Until a digital music service offers me MP3s at a reasonable price all my money is going to the Russians

    1. Re:I know where my money is going. by ezzewezza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why not do both? If you're going to buy the music, buy it from an organization that will donate some of your money to Oxfam. If you want to support Oxfam, give them your money directly. The two are not mutually exclusive ways of donating money.

  14. Europeans get a raw deal again by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Informative

    When iTunes Music Store came out selling tracks for 99 cents a pop, I prophesized that any European version would sell tracks for 99 pence per track instead of the equivalent of 99 US cents, or even 99 EU cents. All of the stores which are coming out so far have proven this true. Let's see what Apple does, but I can almost guarantee they'll go in at the same price point.

    As a comparison, 79 pence is approx. $1.38, and 99 pence is approx. $1.74. With most UK digital music stores hovering around the 99 pence mark, that means Brits are being charged 74% more than Americans on average. Oh well, I guess nothing changes, and as typical we'll all keel over and accept it. If UK salaries were 74% higher than American ones you couldn't complain, but it seems to be the other way around, still.

  15. really in europe ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "the service will be available across Europe."

    And even can't tell us the price in euros ?
    Or they start in GB and plan to expand later ? But why starting with a 60M people market when they are more than 250M people in euroland ?
    good luck
  16. True, there's too much fragmentation already by tentimestwenty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Look at the number of music download services that are referenced in the article. Every damn company has to have one it seems. If anything this will guarantee they all fail because nobody wants to have to go to a number of different sites, figure out how to use them and be disappointed none has all the songs they want. As long as iTunes has a similar sized catalogue to the US version all these little crappy sites will only be a help to iTunes consumer acceptance.

  17. Re:Europeans get a tax deal again by XavierItzmann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How many pence out of the 99 is going to the Exchequer? Because in Florida, exactly *zero* sales taxes are paid on iTunes purchases.

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  18. And your point is....? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Mostly what people do is live and die. If your "work" makes it to a give-away disc o-music consider yourself lucky.

    Most people who labor in a "service" market leave no mark. Most of the software I have written in my life doesn't or will not have any hardware to run it on any more.

    If you get paid for your work and not copies of your work you will be better off in the long run, since, (to paraphrase), in the long run, we are all dead anyhow.

    Enjoy what you do. Make a living at it if you are lucky, get wealthy at it if you are absurdly lucky.

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  19. If you really want to help: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Go here to purchase music and give the difference to Oxfam.

    Not only will you be getting clean MP3s, you'll be able to help more people with the money you save.

  20. knock that shit off, AC by poptones · · Score: 2, Funny

    Last time that site was mentioned here it was offline for nearly a month. I had five CDs in the encode queue when the site was slashdotted last month and I was only able to start downloading again little more than a week ago. Had great service with them for months (years already?) and one cover story blows them out of the water for more than three weeks. I'd prefer if you'd go back to keeping this our little secret... at least until I get the rest of my Shakespeare's Sister and Moloko.

  21. what about the kernel http daemon? by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Linux kernel 2.4 can serve static files straight from the kernel and pass dynamic requests to a userland server.

    I've never used it but it seems like a great idea. What do you think?

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  22. as they are a charity shop by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Interesting

    can I donate my unwanted "legal" music downloads to them to sell on at a cheap rate??? like I can do with my unwanted CDs, DVDs, books and the like...

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  23. Doubt the artists consent by pbooktebo · · Score: 2, Informative

    With 300,000 tunes, this seems more likely to be a case of labels agreeing rather than individual artists. IIRC, iTMS opened with something like 200,000 songs.

    Tracking down thousands of artists (some of which, I assume, are dead) to ask if they would donate songs or allow songs to be sold would be a huge project. If artists were donating, I'd expect maybe a few thousand songs.

    To top it off, the labels own the recordings more than the artists in most cases (unless they get a sweet contract).

  24. Re:Your money is going to taxes... by Turtlewind · · Score: 2, Informative

    Registered charities don't have to pay VAT (sales tax). Presumably tax will be factored into this service, as most of the money goes to the record companies, but Oxfam will be able to get a VAT return from the Government on their share.

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  25. This is nothing new by Danj2k · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you guys actually read the article, it says it's just another OD2 (On Demand Distribution) outlet. There's nothing new or exciting about that. I guess it's nice that some of the money is going to charity instead of lining record companies' pockets, but when you get right down to it this is the same old WMA based service that's being peddled by MSN, HMV, Coca-Cola and a million others. Pity there doesn't seem to be a way to un-DRM version 9 WMA files at the moment (FreeMe doesn't work any more, it seems).