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The Art of the Tech Demo

Alan writes "A lot of people underestimate the significance of a good technology demo. A good tech demo can be more important for a GPU product launch than even benchmarks. However, this means more than just pretty graphics or complex shaders. In my final article to the industry, I explain what the art of the tech demo is all about. "

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  1. 1st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    1st

  2. Tech Demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I just rendered FP?

  3. Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've been doing it for years..

    http://www.scene.org

    1. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eggzaktli Demoscene exists since Sinclair and C64 era and today uses all 3D, sound, music bells and whistles creating good demos. http://awards.scene.org/awards.php?year=2003 Best of 2003 awards

    2. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by softwave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am not trying to turn this post into a nostalgic troll, I'm actually trying to make a point here.. just sing along with me :)

      Back in the days, making a demo was about showing off "software"-skills. A demo was all about coding fancy effects on a broad range of hardware with no support for hardware acceleration whatsoever.
      Soft pop, technoish 4-, 8-channel music was tracked (trackered?) on a crappy soundcard (thank you Gravis for bringing us the GUS!!)
      Pixelated art was often a result of many hours of hard work, patience and eye for detail.

      A tech demo as referred to in the article is much more about showing off the capabilities of new hardware. The demoscene has brought to the fore some very talented artists, some of them making their way into the professional software business.

      But still, I think there is a big difference between a demo (as in, "demoscene") and a showoff presentation with some fancy effects. The ideology and philosophy is totally different (as is the expected result and audience).

      I'm not trying to be al elitist about the demoscene. I just think that it's a subculture and should be considered as such.

    3. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by execom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some tech demos has been already done by some ex-demo makers:
      - 3DMark series have been produced by some guys from Future Crew or Dust
      - One of the latest nVidia demo 'Nalu' has been done by Hubert N'Guyen who is working at nVidia.
      He was from Impact Studios
      - List go on ..

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    4. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back in the days, making a demo was about showing off "software"-skills. A demo was all about coding fancy effects on a broad range of hardware with no support for hardware acceleration whatsoever.

      Back in the days of demos the main demo scene revolved mostly around the Commodore Amiga. It was about showing off software skills, but they most definitely made use of hardware acceleration. The graphics processor in the Amiga ended up doing most of the graphics work in a demo with the 68000 working essentially in a management role. No broad range of hardware on the Amiga though - all the variants were very similar.

      Now the PC demo scene inevitably did not have any hardware acceleration as part of their demos, since back then there was none. Video cards in those days on PCs only showed video - even 2D acceleration facilities to speed up drawing windows weren't around... It's only recently with the introduction of more sophisticated GPUs on PCs that some of the kind of things that Amigas could do in hardware are technically possible to do in hardware on PCs. PC demos therefore had to be about software skills rather than what nifty things the hardware could do for you.

    5. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all PC effects were just software?

      Ever seen The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? Unreal? Ambience? Show? D.Copperfield?-)

      (and btw, your "recently with the introduction of more sophisticated GPUs" happened somewhere in 1995 when the video bandwidth went over 10MB/s. After that you could do just about any effect in pure software in full framerate)

    6. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (regarding the last half, i could of course try learning to read too)

    7. Re:Why don't they just ask the demoscene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the days of demos the main demo scene revolved mostly around the Commodore Amiga.

      I think you forgot the C64. It was the demo scene around the C64 that got me into it, and it was way before Amiga, and the C64 demo scene stayed just as active during the Amiga demo scene as when it had started.

  4. Demos in the Linux Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll


    The Linux community likes to hide behind the mantra of free and open
    software for all and as such has the twisted mindset that all software
    should be free for everyone. This should come as no surprise seeing
    that the Linux community seems to take pride in stealing anything they
    can get their hands on and breaking laws designed to protect IP at the
    same time.

    Linux users have been advocating downloading Microsoft True Type Fonts
    for years mostly because their own fonts and font system in general
    has been so horrific that Linux screen fonts in most stock installs
    are almost unreadable. Of course they will claim that Linux fonts are
    great but if that were really the case why is the internet clogged
    with Linux Font DeUglification documents written by Linux users?

    They even have documents that give a step by step procedure for
    stealing the Microsoft fonts and installing them on Linux systems!
    Notice in particular the instructions for the Tahoma font.

    http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/truetype.html
    http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/

    Next we have Linux users violating the EULA for the X-Box and
    tinkering with it so that it can run Linux.
    Why on earth any sane person would want to take a bitching game
    machine like X-box and ruin it by installing Linux is a mystery to me.

    http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/index.php

    http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/faq.php

    Pay particular attention to the question about it being illegal and
    how they avoid answering the question.

    They are also doing the same thing with Sony Play station as well.

    http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php

    None of this is going to hold up in a court of law and the Linux
    people who are leading these projects are looking for some serious
    trouble should Microsoft and Sony decide to pursue this matter.

    Finally we have the suit filed by SCO which claims that the Linux
    community at large has incorporated stolen code into it's open source
    programs.

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936269,00.a sp

    This should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed the Linux
    movement from the day Linux wrote the kernel.

    The Linux community has proven themselves to be a fight to the end,
    steal whatever can be stolen from big business because it is big
    business that is killing Linux.

    The Linux community has absolutely no respect for the property of
    others and will resort to any type of clandestine tactics to steal
    whatever isn't cemented down all in the good name of Linux.

    So if you are thinking of betting your business on Linux software, you
    had better think it over carefully, because if SCO should win, Linux
    will be out of business.
    And if SCO should lose, do you really think it is wise to bet your
    entire business on software that is supported by a community that
    promotes stealing and in fact is full of thieves?

    Food for thought.

    1. Re:Demos in the Linux Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You must be new here. You act as if any of this is news.

    2. Re:Demos in the Linux Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was meta'ing when I saw this. Thought it was a troll. Heh.

  5. Back in the old days... by Agent+Green · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...there actually used to be a demo scene which really turned out some amazing stuff. My favorite demo group of all was the Future Crew, and Second Reality did some really pretty neat stuff on some pretty mediocre hardware. Though, the VLB card I ended up getting sped up significant portions of some of the more intensive portions of the demos (i.e. the concentric rings in Second Reality).

    I used to leave it running in a loop at work so we could sell more computers. :)

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    1. Re:Back in the old days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The demo scene is still going strong, though the general public doesn't seem to care.

      http://pouet.net for some delicious scene-ry :)

    2. Re:Back in the old days... by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      In fact, hopefully, Slashdot will cover Assembly in August (assembly.org) as future crew now run that ;) Should be some amazing demos this year!

    3. Re:Back in the old days... by White+Shade · · Score: 5, Informative

      you speak of the scene as if it was past tense ... i think you'll find that you are wrong!!

      the scene is still going quite strong! :D

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    4. Re:Back in the old days... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      They still do.


      Just check out The Product which shows a complete demo contained in 64K!!!

      I think they [the demo-scene] just went more 'underground', then they used too.

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    5. Re:Back in the old days... by pragma_x · · Score: 1

      That's funny. I remember walking through the campus bookstore at Virginia Tech back in 1996, and the computers for sale were showing just that: Second Reality. So I wonder how much Future Crew is responsible for outside of getting guys into programming graphics?

    6. Re:Back in the old days... by flynn_nrg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a sense it is. I used to be an amiga scener back in the day, and recently wanted to see what the PC guys are up to these days. I can tell you, I'm pretty disappointed with most of what I've seen. I was very impressed by stuff like this, which, ironically, was coded by an ex-Amiga guy (dierk "chaos" ohlerich).

      I don't mean to flame, but I've been much more impressed by what games companies are doing these days than by PC demos from the last two years. There was a time when the demoscene was ahead of game developers. I don't think this is still true.

      TBL still makes demos for Amiga 1200 (060/AGA) that are quite impressive. Most PC stuff I've seen is mediocre.

    7. Re:Back in the old days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This easter TBL released Silkcut on Breakpoint and won the Amiga demo competition. It would have won even if the PC and Amiga competitions were mixed.


      The divx version is available for download here.

  6. summary by Whitecloud · · Score: -1, Redundant

    1 .invent ???
    2 .make cool tech demo
    3 .profit!

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    1. Re:summary by sm0ke · · Score: 0

      it's more like: 1. hey, wouldn't it be cool to..... 2. ??? 3. Profit. i wish i knew what 2 is ;)

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  8. Animusic by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the demos they go over in the article is the Animusic demo for ATI's Radeon 9700.

    That was one of the cooler demos I've seen. The graphics aren't that special but paired with the sound the scene comes alive.

    1. Re:Animusic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you think that's cool, check out this: Complete Animusic DVD with *many* animated scenes....

    2. Re:Animusic by vigilology · · Score: 1

      Wow, it's only a matter of time before someone makes one of those IRL!

    3. Re:Animusic by notsoclever · · Score: 1

      But the graphics are pretty special, if you're a graphics programmer anyway. The use of vertex shaders to produce the shadow volumes and motion blur really opened up my eyes to how powerful GPUs have gotten.

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    4. Re:Animusic by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      IAAGP (graphics programmer). I know those effects are cool, I just meant that nowadays using shaders for shadows and motion blur isn't anything new.

    5. Re:Animusic by notsoclever · · Score: 1
      This was the first use I'd seen of it. Though, I first saw it back at Siggraph 2002. Sure, it's nothing new now, but it was pretty damn new back then!

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  9. A demo by any other name ... by torpor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... In my industry, demo's (or, more appropriately, demo songs) have been a staple part of the released product for years.

    Okay, demo songs for synthesizers are not often the 'best' example of what the synth can do. But this is also a good thing, sometimes ... because musicians will often hear a 'demo song' and think to themselves "sounds great, but I could do better", and the moment someone is thinking that about a song on your product (in my business), you're closer to a sale.

    IF the demo is interesting enough 'sounding' to get their attention, but turns out to be pretty 'uninspired' as a song, then this leads the musician/customer to think 'okay, great capabilities, poor execution in the track, I'll take it and see what I can do better' ...

    Its been known for a long time that a demo need not be 'superlative', just "demonstrative of the technology you're trying to sell", and not much else. When was the last time you heard a "Hit Demo Song" coming from a synth? But, I'll bet you anything that the demo songs on most modern synth gear these days contain factory patches that you'll recognize as sounds in popular songs, and no matter how cheesy the track is, if it somehow shows you what is 'possible' with the hardware, even if its naff, then you're closer to a sale ...

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    1. Re:A demo by any other name ... by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      well, the last synth i bought had a juno reactor track as the demo :)

    2. Re:A demo by any other name ... by torpor · · Score: 1

      no kidding? which one was that?

      i'm sure a few of us have bought GPU cards with 'pro demos' included with them as well, eh?

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    3. Re:A demo by any other name ... by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      the yamaha rm1x!

      oh wait, that wasn't the last synth i bought...

    4. Re:A demo by any other name ... by johneee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh. I remember watching a crappy show on a local cable access channel that had all sorts of music on it that I thought sounded familiar. I thought about it for a while until I remembered that they were all demo songs from a Roland synth.

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  10. Agreed. by SinaSa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yup. I can attest to that. Being part of a GPU design team myself.

    If only we hadn't have used the goatse man as part of our tech presentation on the big night, we might still be around.

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    1. Re:Agreed. by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you weren't presenting to the big pr0n industry.

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    2. Re:Agreed. by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yup. I can attest to that. Being part of a GPU design team myself.

      If only we hadn't have used the goatse man as part of our tech presentation on the big night, we might still be around.


      So that's what happened to BitBoys...

  11. in.... by jpkaylor · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ... Soviet Russia the Tech demos you!! ... Ok... sorry, I couldn't resist (it's monday after all).

  12. Re:GNAA Announce responsbility for Wikipedia downt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    and what did the Wikipedia ever do to you?

    I think the general public would apprecaire an ASCII goatse crapflood on slashdot more.

  13. 1st thing to remember in a techdemo... by sh0dan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Boobs! - They seem to be rather obvious to show off high polycount and advanced shading techniques. Furthermore they are also a good place to show off your great dynamic-body-physics-engine(TM).

    ... insert more good reasons to show boobs in tech demos here...

  14. Valuable Experience by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A very successful integrated solution salesman, with whom I once had the pleasure of working, had a very relevant quote for here:

    "Do a demo, lose a sale."

    The deeper explanation is that so many salespeople come to call with "gadgety" demos and slides. The really successful salesperson LISTENS to a customer's problems and tries to work out a solution in common.

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    1. Re:Valuable Experience by jptxs · · Score: 1

      speaking as one of those guys trotted out into the field by sales guys to do demos, I couldn't agree more. I find that the less I've talked in a demo, the better things are. The best demo people are those who don't have something canned, but rather have a whole array of little chucks of stuff they can show. They then talk to the clients, listen to what the real needs are and then show the most relevant chunks from their tool box.

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    2. Re:Valuable Experience by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, but here we're not talking custom solutions. I doubt that many people could even afford a custom designed GPU, by someone who's listened carefully to their problems. We're talking something which would cost billions in R&D alone.

      What we're talking about is commodity off-the-shelf graphics cards. (Or sound cards, or synthetisers, or whatever else.) You buy this one, or you buy that other one, or you don't buy anything at all.

      And if you expect someone to come and listen to your problems just to sell you a graphics card... well, let's just say you might as well expect hell to freeze over. Or to actually be able to play that HL2 that you paid for when you bought a Radeon 9xxx card.

      Basically I'm not saying that your friend is wrong. I'm just saying that he was talking about a _very_ different market.

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    3. Re:Valuable Experience by dave420 · · Score: 1
      We're talking about something with aestetical output, not something easily quantifiable. You can't tell jack about a GPUs output from its specs. Even two boards with similar specs can have incredibly different output.

      It's like trying to figure out how good an artist Da Vinci was by looking at the chemical make-up of his paint, rather than looking at his art.

    4. Re:Valuable Experience by PD · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's very insightful. Remember what Oracle did to become the biggest database company in the world? They did presentations, not demos. If you wanted to see the database working, you had to buy it. The salesman would not show you the actual database during his pitch.

      That led to the old joke, playing on Oracle's support for many computer platforms:

      Q: What platform does Oracle database run best on?
      A: A 35mm slide projector.

    5. Re:Valuable Experience by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

      I've been selling software for over a year without using a notebook and any brochures - I'd just talk to the customer, later I'd email them a URL to see screenshots or try the product if they wanted to.
      Now that I've started using a notebook, I can do some things right on the spot while still with the customer, but I prefer to minimize time I spend on showing off fancy presentations because listening and talking without a pre-set pattern of slides seems to be more effective.

      For some services/products I believe good presentations are all it takes, though. It depends on what you're trying to sell...

  15. Show man chip I guess V.s Jaded Nerd by Onceat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree , I have seen many impressive demos ( in various formats and guises) , but I thought it was just the fact that im older now , that that wow , almost wet myself it was so good feeling was not there anymore, looking back on some of the things I thought where great back in the day (1989) , granted they have lost there wow factor now , but nothing these days comes close, SGI used to be really good at the wow factor

  16. It's all about the drivers by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In the end, many people go with the brand-name they prefer and that's where the tech demo comes in.

    Many people are also like me who just look to see who has the best Linux drivers. (nvidia, for those wondering)

    1. Re:It's all about the drivers by dave420 · · Score: 1
      No, people like that are in the absolute minority. That's why there aren't many drivers out for linux. Bigger share of the market = more drivers for your OS.

      I'm not having a go, but lets not ignore the real problem here :) The lack of drivers for linux isn't part of a smear campaign, or the latest round of MS-backed dirty tricks :-P

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  18. tech demos by vmircea · · Score: 1

    yeah it is truly amazing how much the tech demos have been progressing in the past few years, I just recently watched an NVidia demo that was just a few months old and compared to the new one for the 6800 series it looked awful, you could see a big difference, we're definitely progressing *remembers seeing an article about how some gpus have more transistors than a decent processor*

  19. Eric Fletcher invented the Tech Demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "on the question of brakes I remember when Porsche came to me for help in designing a better system for the 928 s4. After reviewing their design over dinner, I came to the conclusion that the tangerian coefficient of 4 multiplied by the over boost pressure generated when the heat factor and boiling point of mercury reached a stasis in the left rear caliper thus creating a brake symmetry problem. I easily designed a new system over breakfast the next morning that inverted the overpressure mapping and allowed the excess pressure to bleed into the canavarn canister that I installed next to the johnson rod for the turbo.
    And that reminds me of the time I was racing cars on an air base and the general saw how good I was and asked me to be a flight instructor on the SR 71, of course they didn't realize that I designed it by my self. so I did that for a while and then I became the chief instructor pilot for the combined military service. This was a bit hard as i was still instructing Seal Team instructors. In my spare time I developed a new turbo enhancement system that took the reverse pressurization flow from the fleegleman valve and applied this pressure at a constant 1.5 bar to the overboost induction Johnson rod, this increased the turbo efficiency by 85% and caused the root mean square of the coefficient of the 4.8 bar under boost over booster to recycle wasted franistan reformer load to get 200% better fuel mileage. Of course the big gas companies bought my patent and then buried it but it was ok because they also funded my secret moon base for further research and development.
    Did you know that I invented the TCP-IP protocol? I was working on a movie in Switzerland and the guys at CERN heard I was there and so they asked my advice on a problem they were having. Well I looked and it was immediately obvious that they were over-clocking the tcpip stack at layer 3 and I wrote a little script fix for it for them. They wanted to nominate me for a Pulitzer prize but I simply told them to use it for the betterment of mankind. They of course were amazed at my philanthropic nature but they gave me ½ of Switzerland as a reward. I kept a little hotel on the lake but gave the rest back to the people. They then erected a statue of me and once a year has a ceremony at that site. Its really kind of embarrassing but you do what you can.
    BTW Mel also asked me to be the chief camera operator on his new movie but he demanded that I not use my name as he didn't want people to come to the movie to see my brilliant work, but rather to view the story as he intended. I of course, complied with his wishes as he is a close personal friend. Also I have been working on a promising new cure for Alzheimer's in my spare time. I have been working closely with the Regan family as Ronald and I are best friends. and you remember the hunt for red October? Well that was a TRUE story. The president asked me to train the CIA for this eventuality but of course no one but me was fit for the mission so I went instead, please don't tell anyone.........then my buddy Hugh Heffner or Hef as his personal friends call him, asked me to shoot the playmate of the year spread and he rented me a 747-400 and i flew it to Fiji with all the models on board --- well one thing lead to another and I slept with ALL the playboy playmates...."
    Speaking of 747's did I ever tell you guys about the development I did with the space shuttle? They came to me (of course) and asked my help in developing a recovery system for potentially damaged shuttles. I worked on it a while but didn't have the time to devote to it until I finished inventing the overthruster. Anyway, eventually I came up with a hypothesis that I could land the shuttle on the back of a 747 in flight. Of course like all good ideas, they just laughed at me, so gave them all the specs. And told them to set it up and I would prove it. I went on a secret shuttle launch to re-supply my moon base science lab. After we got the supplies down to the base I flew a perfect return to earth and moved into re-entry posi

  20. Naked pixies in gossamer lingerie . . . by pariahdecss · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its the naked pixies that influence my GPU purchases. If I am going to drop $500.00 on the latest GPU it better have a naked pixie tech demo. Errr wait didn't NVIDIA try that . . .it didn't make me buy their leaf blower GPU. (remote power station not included - see store for details)

    1. Re:Naked pixies in gossamer lingerie . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm, pixies...

      (Incidentally, can anyone explain to me how "naked ..." and "... in gossamer lingerie" aren't a contradiction in terms?)

  21. The real art of the demo by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is how to rig it, of course. To misquote a phrase, any sufficiently advanced technology can be simulated by a rigged demo :-)

  22. I don't know by Erwos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the importance of tech demoes have diminished greatly in recent years, when cards have had more or less the same capabilities (not speed, maybe) anyways. I mean, a DX9 tech demo is theoretically able to run on any card that can "do" DX9.

    Also, when it comes to bragging rights, "prettier tech demo!" just doesn't work on most people. Intangibles like frame rate and features are what people can easily point to.

    That's not to say GPU tech demoes are worthless - but in comparison to other stuff, they've had their day in the sun. Fortunately, I predict a long life for them on consoles :).

    -Erwos

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  23. 4 things that make the world go round by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Bears, balls, tits and ass. All good tech demos speak to this reality.

  24. Different situation by AllenChristopher · · Score: 2, Informative
    Right.... but these are downloadable demos to sell cards to individuals and developers, not integrated solutions sold to large companies. You'd need millions of identical skilled salesmen to sell to each GPU customer.

    In the absence of Sludge Vohaul's phone number, developing a good demo is the best choice.

  25. Just in case the server crashes and burns... by mirror_dude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just in case the server crashes and burns (like they usually do),I have put up a mirror.
    The mirror of http://www.firingsquad.com/features/art_of_tech_de mo/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_706/www.firingsquad .com/features/art_of_tech_demo/

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  26. Tech Demos - Dreamcast vs Playstation 2 by JaF893 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The tech demo is how Sony PlayStation 2 was able to stifle the Sega Dreamcast despite platform parity early on.

    I think in this case the author is exaggerating the importance of tech demos. I wonder what % of Dreamcast or PlayStation 2 owners have actually seen either of the two tech demos? I think the simple fact that the PS2 was backwardly compatible was much more significant then some stupid tech demo

    1. Re:Tech Demos - Dreamcast vs Playstation 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder what % of Dreamcast or PlayStation 2 developers saw either of the two tech demos? A lot, methinks.

      Sony bigged up the PS2 far, far, more than they should have done. When the actual devkits turned up it was a massive disappointment. But it was too late. Sony had one before the first devkits were shipped.

    2. Re:Tech Demos - Dreamcast vs Playstation 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wonder what % of Dreamcast or PlayStation 2 owners have actually seen either of the two tech demos?

      Probably very few. Now compare that to the number of gamedevelopers shown tech demos. I think(hope?) you'll see what they are hinting at. If not, look at the number of original, groundbreaking 3rd party games for the Dreamcast as compared to the PS2. Customers make or break a console, but customers can only buy games that developers create.

  27. In everyday life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of what the article talks about can be applied in everyday working life.

    If you want support for your project, you have to have some kind of demo early on. The boss is much more likely to fund your project if you give him something he can 'play' with. It could be a proof of concept experiment or it could be the GUI of a user app. Some kind of demo is MUCH more convincing that any amount of 'pie in the sky' powerpoint presentations. It's the difference in saying "This works, we can make a pile of money." vs. "This SHOULD work, we MIGHT be able to make a pile of money."

    This also applies to getting help for open source projects. People are much more willing to contribute if you give something that works at least minimally to play with.

    "In Search of Excellence" by Peters and Waterman gives pretty good detail on how this works. (But I can't give quotes 'cause my dog ate my copy!)

  28. the 'art' of corepirate nazi censorship devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    more like a greed/fear/ego based badtoll, where evile ends up eating it's young, if you ask US?

    this stuff is unbreakable, & wwworks on/in several (more than 3) dimensions.

    from a post meant to be titled:

    unprecedented evile nearly disempowered, forever?
    (score: mynuts won:-) previously PostBlocked(tm) material reposted)

    by a disorganized rag-tag team of a few billion near nobodys, using what was available to them, which was almost nothing?

    & just who are some of unprecedented evile's local representative(s)?:

    The contract was awarded to Accenture, formerly Andersen Consulting, over two competing contractors, Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences (a veritas (cess)pool of evile stock markp FraUDsters). Several industry executives and analysts said that the award surprised them and that Accenture had widely been considered the outside candidate.

    The award also brought controversy. Accenture is incorporated in Bermuda, and some critics attacked the idea of awarding a contract so valuable and important to national security to a company with its headquarters outside the United States.

    After Accenture was named, Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat, suggested the company took advantage of an uneven playing field to win the contract over Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences.

    "If companies truly want to contribute to our nation's security, they can pay their fair share of taxes. If they want a slice of the American pie, they had better help bake it," he said in a statement.

    A spokesman for Accenture said that the company paid United States taxes.

    Representative Richard E. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat and a senior member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also questioned the award.

    "This decision is outrageous," he said, in a statement. "The Bush administration has awarded the largest homeland security contract in history to a company that has given up its U.S. citizenship and moved to Bermuda. The inconsistency is breathtaking."

    the stock markup FraUD/softwar gangster payper liesense hostage grab 'business plan' is looking a little hapless now?

    fauxking billyonerrors. sheesh.

    lookout bullow. tell 'em robbIE?

    all is not lost.

    consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the returns are immeasurable/infinite.

    see you there?

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    1. Re:the 'art' of corepirate nazi censorship devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


      i gather the masturbation isn't helping ? puberty is something all children have to deal with, even ones still at school (as you know)

  29. Terrible website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    10% content 90% adverts/fluff

    you could of put that entire article on 1 page, but no, lets split it up into 20*50 word chunks, scatter a few 150x150px screenshots and voilá, you have a content:noncontent ratio that makes print magazines look like encylopedias

  30. Re:1st thing to remember in a techdemo... by nikster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    boobs... it goes much further than that. boobs are _always_ useful in any kind of advertising or trying to get attention. it's the one thing that always, always works. has for thousands of years.

    no matter what the product: slap some boobs on the front, and it sells.

    it's not for nothing that bay watch is (still!) the most watched TV show on the planet.

  31. First demo I ever saw... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    ...comes with Debian. Install the "bb" package.

    1. Re:First demo I ever saw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have seen it at the partyplace. It was the most original entry there without question. IIRC it didn't get a terribly good place though :(

  32. Re:Why don't they just ask id software? by CausticPuppy · · Score: 1, Funny

    id software has also been doing tech demos for years.

    The only difference is that other companies wind up making actual games with their licensed technology.

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  33. The Doublecross superbly done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The article starts off nicely with:

    Most people here would agree that ATI's latest technology demo, 'The Doublecross' starring their new mascot Ruby (Download the video here) is superbly done.

    including a screenshot from said demo. I particularly like the way you can see the scenery behind the girl through her mouth.

    I suppose 'superbly' applies to either the realistic look on the girls face, when apparently the back of her head is missing, or that she must have a display in her mouth that displays what's recorded by a camera on the back of her head.

    Either way, very impressive! :-)

    Just kidding!

  34. Intresting note.. by sjwt · · Score: 1

    All my decent Video cards since the days of my 486 have been NVIDA, and even though ive never had a top or even high end card at the time i bought it, from the frount page of the artical the only ATI demo i can rember seeing or hearing about is Animusic.

    Perhpas the lack of seeing ATI demos in stores
    and videos of them flaoting the net played a part in my choice of video card.

    A bit like a shareware or demo,
    try before you buy.

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  35. Misplaced priorities by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know what the videocard industry is thinking sometimes. Maybe instead of sinking so many hours of coder time in creating these pretty bits of eye candy for each new product release, they should assign some more resources to the development and QA testing of the actual drivers.

    I dunno about you, but I think the last time I bought a video card that came with a rock-solidly stable video driver was the VGA card that came with my 386. For every card since, it seems like it's been a buggy, 90% functional driver at release, an update to 95% functionality and fewer bugs three or four months later, and then no further driver releases as the driver teams have all moved on to the next bleeding-edge chipset.

    1. Re:Misplaced priorities by doinky · · Score: 3, Insightful
      As a former driver developer, I can tell you that 85% of "driver problems" are hardware problems that the driver failed to work around (sometimes because it was impossible to do so without compromising other goals of the product).

      I worked on the Savage 2000 driver for S3, for instance, i.e., the one that everybody thinks was broken because T&L didn't work. Of course, the hardware came back so incredibly shitty that it was actually _slower_ to use its pipeline than the one me and another guy wrote in software (originally as an exercise in load-balancing in high-number-of-lights conditions and to handle a couple of D3D7 features the chip didn't support).

      The driver writers at graphics chip companies know their stuff. They're good. Fundamentally, with immature hardware and the desire for speed at all costs, I think they're doing the best they can at this point.

    2. Re:Misplaced priorities by Build6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the problem here isn't the videocard industry - it's capitalism. no industry can survive without sales, and effort spent on getting sales is more directly relevant to the company's survival than hunting down the last few bugs. as long as the showstopper bugs ("Bug No. 4523: customer PC combusts when card is inserted") are resolved, they will ship it.

  36. Web site by antdude · · Score: 1

    DVD version.

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  37. On a broad range of hardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    No way. To run MY demos you typically needed to have a GUS, VBE2.0 with a 320x200x32bpp mode (preferably on the right number as well) and a right class of CPU.
    Before that it was even worse. I used to do lots of tweakmode stuff etc, just to get the effect to run in a frame on my machine and used hardware tricks to do a wide range of 'impossible' things. If this isn't showing off specific hardware, then I don't know what is. Unfortunately, these didn't become incredibly popular. I wonder why..

    These days it's a bit different. I couldn't care less about pixel shaders and other crap until they become both mainstream and standardized. (DX doesn't count for the latter)

  38. Reminds me of a classic quote by SushiFugu · · Score: 1

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a tech demo."

  39. Re:1st thing to remember in a techdemo... by clintp · · Score: 1

    In summary, boobs make *everything* better.

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  40. softimage demo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    in chapter 6 of proudly serving my corporate masters, Adam Barr explains the details of a tech demo at Softimage

  41. Joke Time by CaptainZapp · · Score: 2, Funny
    An Oracle salesman dies and goes to heaven where he is welcomed by St.Peter.

    St. Peter gives hime a lute shows him to a cloud and instructs him to sit on the cloud, play the lute and rejoice.

    So the Oracle salesman sits on the cloud, plays the lute and rejoices. Evening comes and St. Peter is coming to the salesmans cloud and asks him how he likes it in heaven.

    The guy goes: I'm honest with you, St.Peter. I think it's a pretty bland place."

    OK, says St. Peter, instructs the salesguy to follow him and takes him to the express elevator that leads straight to the gates of hell.

    St. Peter knocks and the door is opened by Lucifer himself. Behind Lucifer there's an unbelievable scene to be viewed:

    Miles and miles of white beach. A nice surf on the ocean. Muscle bound young men and tasty looking bikini clad girls play beach volleyball. Laughter fills the air. There are piles of food and multiple open bars (with an outstanding selection of single malt whiskies).

    After having taken in the view St. Peter leads the Oracle guy back to the express elevator which takes them straight up back to heaven.

    "Well", says St. Peter. "You have seen what hell is all about and you have to make your final decision now. Do you want to stay in heaven, sitting on a cloud, playing your lute and rejoice, or do you want to go back to hell? But, whatever you do: Your decision is final and can't be changed."

    "Alright", sais the sales guy. "I think I rather chose hell".

    "Fine", says St. Peter, guides him to the express elevator and down he goes; straight back to the gates of hell.

    He knocks and almost burns his knuckles from the hot door. Lucifer opens with a smile and a complete different scenery evolves behind Lucifer:

    There's fire and heat everywhere; torchured people with pained faces try to escape their miseries. The screams and yells of the tormented fill the air.

    The Oracle salesman is stunned and says: "But, but... this is incredible. I've been here only 15 minutes ago and this place was completely differen!"

    "Well", smiles Lucifer: "That was the demo..."

    Ok, it's old, but nevertheless illustrates the power of good demo...

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  42. more women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well one thing's for sure, even though ATI's graphics demos kick ass, ATI needs more chicks in their demos like NVIDIA has.

    -- paper

  43. My guess is it was the sales figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Note that the DC predates the PS2 by almost a year.

    If you want to impress developers, forget tech demos, show them how many units they're going to sell.

    Any developer who went for the power of the 3DO learned quickly what the real most important stat was.

    The PS1 was the biggest thing in videogaming, it blew away the Saturn and all other comers. It was fresh off whupping the N64 when the DC came out, and my guess is developers felt the safe bet was on Sony's follow-on. They were right.

  44. Alan, you lost credibility here... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
    From the article:
    Spend the time finding a good composer. Even if someone like Klaus Badelt, Hans Zimmer, Trevor Rabin, or Harry Gregson-Williams isn't available, a good soundtrack makes visuals look even better.
    Come on Alan, everybody knows Yes was better with Steve Howe.... ;)

    I apologize. I know full well, I should talk about the graphics demos. Ooo, a Steve Howe graphics demo...

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  45. Ahh, but now by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Back in the days, making a demo was about showing off "software"-skills. A demo was all about coding fancy effects on a broad range of hardware with no support for hardware acceleration whatsoever.
    Ahh, but now, unfortunately, it seems to have gone the way of "We aren't even going to try to run on your machine unless you have pixel shaders". Which is really annoying as every now and again (every few months), I remember about demos and go and hunt some down, download what are currently rated as the best and then find out I can actually run about 1 in 20 of them... :(

    Man I wish I had money, I so want a 9600XT

  46. Still going... by Dion · · Score: 1

    The demo scene is still going, just see the massive turnout to events like Assembly in Finland.

    Just come to Scene Event in Denmark it's the ten'th time this year and we still get new, cool productions.

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