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Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 Release Candidates Out

An anonymous reader writes "mozilla.org have released what are expected to be the final release candidates for their next versions: Mozilla 1.7RC3 (MozillaZine article; download) should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch and Firefox 0.9RC (MozillaZine article; download) features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows (though please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet). The final releases of these versions are due very soon."

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  1. A Firefox mirror... by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...is here.

    FWIW, CVS 1.11.17 - the security release that happened this morning - is up there too.

  2. Very clean! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I downloaded and installed Firefox .9 and I am quite impressed. All of my settings, bookmarks, popup exceptions, etc. ported over perfectly and automatically. The "look and feel" of .9 is very clean. I don't know how these folks manage to make each iteration better than the previous but they sure do. It loads fast as did .8 and it loads web pages quite fast. All-in-all, this is well worth the download. And, as always, Firefox is, for me, far superior to Internet Explorer or any other browser on the market.

    Happy Trails!

    Erick

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    1. Re:Very clean! by chromaphobic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, Firefox did a great job of importing my bookmarks, from frickin' Internet Explorer, which I don't even use, but not the bookmarks from the previous Firefox (0.8) install. Real helpful.

      Ah well, at least it's not IE.

    2. Re:Very clean! by jimand · · Score: 3, Informative

      I installed it this morning before the /.ing and lost all my 0.8 firefox bookmarks (bug 246018) when Firefox auto-imported (no prompt; bug 170869) all the IE bookmarks on my PC. I now have all my son's bookmarks. aargh!

    3. Re:Very clean! by Teach · · Score: 5, Informative

      Can Firefox disable animated images now? Or stop them when you hit the ESC key?

      Yes, but like many things there's still no way to modify the preference from the menu. You'll have to type about:config in the URL bar, and then change the value of image.animation_mode. I've got mine set to once, which plays each animation once and then stops, but I think you can also set it to none.

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    4. Re:Very clean! by chromaphobic · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're probably not gone. Just go into Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Application Data\Phoenix\Profiles\default\ and then into the gibbersh folder and they're in there as bookmarks.html. Just import that file using the bookmarks manager.

      At least they were for me.

    5. Re:Very clean! by funklord9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      This could provide a refreshing break from your porn links as you peruse his.

    6. Re:Very clean! by Karn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey, why don't you pick on a piece of software that is past a 1.0 release!

      Fine, I'll take my .9 release of a browser whose API changes enough to break older extensions while you enjoy the bug-ridden, ActiveX adware/spyware/trojan installing, non-popup blocking piece of shit known as Internet Explorer.. Welcome to the monopolist's world, where a simple disabling of a javascript open function takes 10 years to implement, and running Adaware and Spybot to remove shit that you didn't ask to be installed makes you feel like you still own your computer.

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    7. Re:Very clean! by Moofie · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean, thanks for doing all the things the release notes said it was going to do? Uh, yeah. You're welcome, I guess.

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    8. Re:Very clean! by linicks · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How can we let Mozilla know that we aren't happy with the new default theme? I realize that it is not complete, but I really don't like where it's going. I can't even make out what the "new tab" button is supposed to be.

      Anyone else like or dislike the new theme?

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    9. Re:Very clean! by DoraLives · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yeah ... how about a damn warning next time guys.

      So let me get this straight. Not only did you NOT back up your profile directory, but you also just downloaded and installed a beta on to your primary computer without even bothering to run it on your (or somebody's) test rig to see what it did first?

      Ok, I agree. You DO need a warning, but I'm guessing it's not exactly the warning you had in mind.

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  3. Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Debian is still shipping Netscape 4.7...

    1. Re:Debian by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know it's a joke, but sheesh.

      Debian has all the free browsers, including Firefox, and keeps them up to date.

      The Debian "nonfree" packages still include Netscape 4.7, although in the future the Debian project may distance itself from both contrib and nonfree.

      And while Debian's "stable" branch is legendary for being a bit behind the times, most people run "unstable" on their desktops, or at least "testing", and those are very up to date.

      I'm running Debian unstable on my desktop and I expect to have Firefox 0.9 within a few days.

      steveha

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  4. exit all WIndows programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    THe linux gtk installer version of this RC tells me to exit all Windows programs before running Setup.

    DONE!

    1. Re:exit all WIndows programs? by Plutor · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's bug 240527, filed 14 April 2004. It's marked as "blocking 1.0", but not "blocking 0.9".

  5. I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! by Zanek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?). They really need to fix that
    Also, some pages like WashingtonPost.com have a problem where it is constantly reloading itself (perhaps a JS error).

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    1. Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! by IvyMike · · Score: 5, Informative

      My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?)

      Saw this on mozillazine a few weeks ago:
      Users experiencing bug 76831, a very long delay restoring Mozilla after it has been minimized for several hours (Windows machines only), may find relief by setting the config.trim_on_minimize preference to false. See comment 0 and comment 303 in the bug for details.
      (Back to Mike: I think you need to go to about:config and create a new boolean pref for this; I have not tried it myself.)
    2. Re:I hope they fix the slow loading issue ! by Pionar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, some pages like WashingtonPost.com have a problem where it is constantly reloading itself (perhaps a JS error).

      Um, that's not a bug. It's standard HTML. go to washingtonpost.com and view it's source. see in the first line the meta tag with the http-equiv="refresh" and the content="900;url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/?LO AD_PAGE&reload=true"? that's what's refreshing the page. It's the page, not firefox.

  6. You're welcome by b00m3rang · · Score: 5, Funny

    Had I known that installing both these packages would cause a new version release the next day, I would have done it much sooner.

    Time to go wash my car.

    1. Re:You're welcome by Dylan2000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, hey, it's raining!

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  7. The actual question by MissTuxie · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, what will be the name of Firefox's new version? (I vote for Powercthüllu. Got to love Firesomething :)

    1. Re:The actual question by CdBee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Got to love Firesomething
      If they outsource it to India it could be FireSomeone !

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  8. Torrents by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone wanna seed the firefox d/l?

    Anyone notice that there are editor holy wars (vi emacs), distro holy wars, but no 'browser' holy wars (yeah, ie vs mozilla, but that windows vs linux... I'm talking all in linux). Stuff like 'theme isn't finished' would be jumped on by the 'other browser' elitists. So linux needs a second open source free browser project so we can have a browser holywar.

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  9. Differences between Linux and Windows HTML engines by commo1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone noticed differences between the HTML engines in Mozilla? Using Mozilla/Firefox on a Linux distro, there are certain style sheets that do not display correctly (mostly hidden behind a graphic or otherwise), but seem to work fine under Mozilla/Firefox in Windows. An example is www.aicipc.com.

  10. No Name Change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm very disappointed. I was under the impression that open source and the ingenuity of a team of dedicated, enthusiastic developers could finally push Rapid NameChange(TM) technology into the mainstream.

    1. Re:No Name Change? by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm very disappointed. I was under the impression that open source and the ingenuity of a team of dedicated, enthusiastic developers could finally push Rapid NameChange(TM) technology into the mainstream.

      Well, that was the plan for this release, but unfortunately the initials RNC were already being used by an altogether much more slow moving organization. They took issue with our tendencies towards rapid progress.

      As such, we are working out naming issues right now and you can expect to see this in a future release.

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  11. Re:IE by Dethboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Huh? You mean insecure, bloated, and integrated into your OS? Just use IE? Or change your habits?

  12. Just do it by stecoop · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was just discussed earlier today that some users cant install Mozilla on restricted systems but you can download the zip files on run from any directory. So there is no need to patch IE. Just start with mozilla.
    Some option you will want to use are under edit -> preferences -> Navigator:
    + Tabbed browsing - turn on Load Links in background, Add, Tabs, Middle click and ctrl-enter
    + Smart browsing - Enable Internet Keywords, Auto complete, Domain Guessing

    The key for someone new is to try it. Don't listen to everyone one trying to shove Mozilla at you, but simply check it out for say 3 days. If you don't like it then that is ok but I bet you will start saying that it's a great browser.

    1. Re:Just do it by Issue9mm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the easiest way to try it is to assign mozilla the big blue "E" icon for Internet Explorer.

      The hardest part (in my experience) for people to make the switch is that they're so used to loading IE, and don't think to look for the little dragon-head icon. Point the "E" to Mozilla and you'll be up to speed in no time.

      -9mm-

  13. Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist by ChowyChow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since spyware has gone cross-platform thanks to the XPI extensions, they've now implemented a whitelist (see What's New) in retaliation.

    This really is open source at its best. Microsoft has not responded to the same problems involving ActiveX.

    1. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Users who find themselves locked out of their favorite extension because it's not offered on one of the whitelisted sites (mozilla.org, mozdev.org, texturizer.net) can
      • turn off the whitelist requirement (BAD CHOICE) by setting xpinstall.whitelist.required to false in about:config.
      • add the site to the whitelist in xpinstall.whitelist.add (also on the about:config page)
      • download the extension xpi and drop it onto an open Mozilla window.
    2. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A new option to prevent sites from using JavaScript to block the browser's context menu.

      Sweet. Few things piss me off more when surfing, than those 2-bit scripts that try to control my alternate mouse buttons. Note to webmasters: if you're worried about people stealing your images, don't put them on the web. Lame Javascript tricks like capturing mousedown events just make me never want to visit your site again (and maybe I'll just disable Javascript and steal your images out of spite).

    3. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist by Tokerat · · Score: 3, Interesting


      The best way to make images more theft-resistant is to put them in a lightweight Flash movie that loads them up. I have a whole website designed in Flash which loads content dynamically, and it uses 116k for the whole site. It's true someone could score the URL and just load it directly. If you put the images in the SWF, the size will increase and someone could save and "decompile" the SWF.

      If you don't want to go the Flash route and stick to straight HTML, cut your images into smaller squares and use CSS or tables to assemble them in the browser. That's more of a pain but casual image theft is less likely when someone has to paste together 16 thumbnail-sized images.

      Don't take features away from our broswer. Remember: no matter what you do, someone can always take a screen shot. Your content will never be secure on a computer, so don't try to make it.

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    4. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Whitelist by rabidcow · · Score: 3, Informative

      and maybe I'll just disable Javascript and steal your images out of spite

      No need to disable JavaScript:
      - "Tools" menu
      - "Page Info" (Ctrl+J)
      - "Media" tab
      - "Save As..." button
      Also works for flash and other weird things that you usually can't right click on to save.

  14. Camino 0.8b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is Camino still being worked on at all? It's been 0.8b since like early 2003.

  15. Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do they put a default theme that is "nowhere near finished" in a product that's "due very soon"?

    Yes, I know Firefox is "for those on the cutting edge", and I guess we shouldn't expect cutting-edge products to be completely finished in every respect, but Firefox is the only open source product most of my Windows-using friends are willing to even try. It would be a shame to hamper its continued spread by making the default theme an unfinished one.

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    1. Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because rather than communicate clearly with the theme author or the community, the core devs made a decision and kept it secret from everyone until release was imminent, to the detriment of the project IMO. The crappy part is that, at this point, the chances of this poor decision being reversed are slim to none as it'd mean the core devs losing face.

      I'm all for change and improvement, but this is a step back for Firefox as far as acceptance by the average user goes. The old theme was excellent in that it was close enough to IE to be familiar, yet different enough to be unique in its own right. In the end, it doesn't matter how good your software is, if the average user is turned off by the default interface, they're not going to use it.

    2. Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by colinramsay · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. All extensions and themes which have not been updated for 0.9 WILL NOT work. You must wait for the theme you want to be updated before it will correctly work in this new version.

      This was necessary because the theme and extension system in Firefox has been pretty badly broken since the project started. For example, you couldn't uninstall extensions.

      0.9 will see automatic updates of extensions and a Mozilla.org extension repository.

    3. Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by brokenwndw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that about hits the nail on the head.

      From Ben Goodger's weblog:

      The transition from the Qute theme has caused quite a stir, and pleas for constructive responses have been widely ignored. All I can say to those upset with how this was negotiated is that in a perfect world, things might have been done better, this isn't that world, it is a more complex and interesting dynamic than has been made public, there is no use in crying over spilled milk, so get over it.

      Those of you who have attacked Kevin and Stephen should be ashamed of yourselves. Calm down, take a chill pill, or you'll severely limit the likelihood that anyone that matters will listen to you. Say what you will about me, but be constructive about the new theme or kerz and other MozillaZine moderators will lock your accounts. I have disabled comments since I'm not interested in hearing people bellyache any more. We (myself, VDT, marketing, etc) are frankly sick of it.

      Good software development is not done by committee, it requires strong leadership and tough decisions. Time will tell whether or not this was a good one. I think it was, and expect to be vindicated by the release, and the continual improvement and commitment to excellence that the theme's authors have promised.

      Yes, he may eventually be "vindicated", but what I see here is a worrisome attitude towards the user and developer communities. "We (I) know what's best, no matter how many people in the community present reasoned arguments to the contrary. If you complain about our decisions you're just a whiner, and we're going to censor you to the extent we can. Oh, and we have hidden secret information we're not telling you, so you can't possibly know what we're talking about." It's walking on thin ice at best, juvenile and egotistical at worst.

      I love Firefox and I plan to use 0.9 when it's released (possibly with the Qute theme installed separately). But, whatever you think of the new theme aesthetically, I think the surprise move and disrespect for the community response speaks poorly for the project. They have a good product, which is why it was able to survive multiple name changes and the "loss" of direct AOL support, and I think it'll survive this. But it doesn't encourage me to contribute to Mozilla development, and it'll probably mean I'll pay more attention to alternatives when people mention them.

      Open source: live by the community, die by the community.

    4. Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Not even mentioning which, there's no good reason for the default interface of a Windows application to try and emulate the look/feel of an OS X application.

      The primary design consideration should be consistency. On Windows, the interface should be Windows-like; on Mac, Mac-like; in KDE or Gnome, KDE- or Gnome-like. If users want to use a different model, that's what themes are for. Provide an OS X theme for WinFirefox, sure, but don't make it the DEFAULT theme.

    5. Re:Nowhere near finished, but due out soon? by gunfinger · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes, he may eventually be "vindicated", but what I see here is a worrisome attitude towards the user and developer communities. "We (I) know what's best, no matter how many people in the community present reasoned arguments to the contrary. If you complain about our decisions you're just a whiner, and we're going to censor you to the extent we can. Oh, and we have hidden secret information we're not telling you, so you can't possibly know what we're talking about." It's walking on thin ice at best, juvenile and egotistical at worst.


      this strikes me as an inexperienced attitude. have you never run a large website before? can you imagine trying to poll the community on every decision? or ANY decision, for that matter, it doesn't work. people's opinions change with the breeze and rarely have anything to do with logic nor necessarily infer that they'll be best for the project.

      i've donated a chunk of change to mozilla for their great browser long ago and i trust that they have our best interests at mind then and now, and thus am looking forward to seeing 0.9.

      i've always found the qute theme to be ugly from the get go and have been using this theme for many months, it's easy on the eyes and functions well.
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  16. Re:IE by PeterPumpkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a luna theme availible, but it doesn't appear to be maintained anymore. It breaks some features in Firefox 0.8, but if the IE look is all you care about, there you are.

  17. Re:IE by sloanster · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's been an ie skin for mozilla in the usual places, I was playing with it at least a year ago...

    It's a hilarious hack, and makes it look a _lot_ like ie, but it's not a perfect emulation since there are no viruses, and popups are blocked, but otherwise, a pretty fair approximation.

  18. Release Candidate? by thedillybar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one confused by a "release candidate" for version 0.9?
    It's not even 1.0 yet, you can't rely on it to be stable (although I have found 0.8 to work better than IE, which is supposedly stable).
    Why not call it 0.85 if it's not 0.9?

  19. Konqueror by amightywind · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about Konqueror, you jackass.

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    1. Re:Konqueror by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

      See... now THIS is what I'm talking about.... now where'd I leave that asbestos suit....

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  20. Re:IE by DA-MAN · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd like to help the community and I could actually install mozilla on several dozen of the PCs that I administer but the curve is too high for non-geeks. I will continue to use IE and endorse it with this kind of response.

    My girlfriend is as non-geek as you can get. When I removed IE from the Desktop and replaced it with a Firefox Icon, she didn't even miss a beat. As long as all her bookmarks imported she could care less what was displaying the site.

    That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss a beat when using Firefox as opposed to IE. To most people, a browser, is a browser, is a browser...

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  21. Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though by headkase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I keep coming back to Konqueror simply because the font rendering is simple the best looking. I really hope Firefox's font rendering get's addressed before 1.0.

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    1. Re:Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though by dmomo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had this problem too. I then found a package which included GTK libraries. That fixed it fine.

    2. Re:Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Besides, Konqueror does an excellent job of displaying non english websites. I can't get firefox to display websites which use non-english dynamic fonts, even if I install those fonts locally.

      But konqueror does a very good job with these fonts (provided they are installed locally), and what's more the anti-aliasing in Konqueror imakes fonts much cleaner and easier to read than firefox. And I have compiled firefox from source with GTK and what not.

      But at work where I have to use firefox, as there is no KDE, I'll be eagerly awaiting the 0.9 build for solaris, for they have fixed these 3 bugs which have annoyed me for quite some time.

      205893 - Loading lots of images makes Firefox stop repainting.
      229600 - Installing 2 extensions without restarting re-launches extension-installer for previous installed extensions.
      For a comprehensive list see bigger-picture

      Btw, for all Solaris users, Althought the download page of Firefox has a link to Solaris tarballs, they are non existant, i.e. 404.

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    3. Re:Can't beat Konqueror's font rendering though by X · · Score: 3, Informative

      Assuming you use the appropriate version of Gtk+, you'll find that Konqueror and Mozilla are actually both using the same font rendering software.

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  22. Re:IE by It'sYerMam · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "curve is too high for non-geeks"

    Heh?! I convinced some randomer from archery to install firefox, and not only did he not get lost and isn't a geek, but he also said he found it much better than IE.
    I can't remember Mozilla, but Firefox is incredibly easy and intuitive.

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  23. Re:Firefox 0.9 RC1 on Windows theme problem by fiiz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hey,

    you can get the qute theme from its designer's website here.

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  24. Reduce spacing in default theme by Rayban · · Score: 4, Informative

    Change the following items in classic.jar/skin/classic/browser/browser.css and the default theme looks WAY better:

    .toolbarbutton-1, .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button { padding: 3px; }

    .toolbarbutton-1[checked="true"], .toolbarbutton-1[open="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[checked="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[open="true"] { padding: 4px 2px 2px 4px !important; }

    The spacing is less annoying and the icons look a lot better.

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  25. Re:mozilla vs. firefox/thunderbird? by FlashBac · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mozilla is more than just a Web browser. It has a mailer, chatzilla, some class of editor and a browser... firefox is essentially nothing more than the browser refactored and cleaned up. If you only use Mozilla as a browser, you would be as well moving to Firefox. If you want all the stuff that comes bundled with Mozilla, go about your business same as ever :)
    Hope that's useful.

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  26. Qute theme still available by egarland · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you liked the theme from 0.8 (qute) better you can download it for 0.9. The author completely revamped qute for 0.9 and it's better than ever.

    I don't know about the rest of you but this new theme doesn't look as nice to me. The icon's aren't as detailed or polished and it feels a little clunky compared to the old one.

    Also, shame on the Mozilla folks for not letting the Qute author know all his hard work to support their project wouldn't be included.

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    1. Re:Qute theme still available by egarland · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because it isn't GPL'd doesn't mean it wasn't a help to Firefox. 0.8 was by far the most popular of the Firefox releases and it owes a lot of that success to the excelent Qute theme.

      You may not agree with their decision to use Qute in the first place, that doesn't change the fact that they were rude to someone who was supporting their efforts by donating his time and tallent.

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  27. Re:Anybody got a screen shot? by TheSurfer · · Score: 5, Informative
  28. Not true by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many users will whine on and on about the most trivial differences. Case in point:

    We used to use Eudora around here. I don't know why, it was before I got hired. Well we have lots of people that STILL USE IT! Version 3 even. We try to push them towards Thundirbird. I mean there is nothing I can think of that Eudora does that Thundirbird doesn't (other than suck) and lots of things it can't do. Also an e-mail client is an e-mail client. I mean they all get your mail, list it, and let you reply.

    Nope. There is man who bitch and whine and refuse to change. It's too hard to learn, they say. A Eudora skin would make my life much easier, though I'd reeally rather they learn the new interface (it takes what, 10 seconds to learn?)

    So never say "people won't care because it's a little different. They can, and will, for some damn reason.

    1. Re:Not true by DA-MAN · · Score: 4, Informative

      We try to push them towards Thundirbird. I mean there is nothing I can think of that Eudora does that Thundirbird doesn't (other than suck) and lots of things it can't do.

      I know of one thing that Thunderbird can't do, and it's a very important feature in Windows. That is, integrate with a Virus Scanner, obviously not Thunderbirds fault. However if you get an e-mail with a virus, the virus scanner tends to delete the infected file which in Thunderbird also stores all your previous e-mails. So if you use pop, instead of imap, and are running a Virus Scanner, be afraid... be very afraid.

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  29. Re:Installer and About Dialog Box by Misch · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not 0.9 yet because it isn't 0.9. It will be 0.9 when the final release is made.

    Remember, this is a release candidate.

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  30. Windows 95 by mslinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A company that I consult for still uses *a lot* of Win 95 Machines. Of course, like everyone in the win32 world, they are begining to have lots of problems with spyware, adware and various other sorts of crapware that seem to do little more than destablize their computers.

    Long story short: I did a fresh install of Win 95 C (the latest and greatest version of 95) and proceeded to download Mozilla 1.6 stable and 1.7rc3 and Firefox. However, none of these browsers would work... just a brief start-up splash-screen and then... nothing.

    I know 95 is old, but Mozilla is a must these days. I'm no bug-hunting, bug-reporting expert, but could anyone on /. confirm that this is a known issue that'll be fixed or there exists a work-around for?

    Thanks

    1. Re:Windows 95 by Andrew_T366 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mozilla 1.4 and later require version 2.30.4265 or later of the system file oleaut32.dll to run properly beyond the splash screen. If you have problems running this software under Windows 95, it is probably due to this or another missing or obsolete system file. I have flawlessly run Mozilla 1.6, 1.7 RC3, and Firefox 0.8 myself under Windows 95C (although I'll still need to check to see if Mozilla Firefox 0.9 RC works under this OS).

  31. You may also be interested in QuickPrefs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    QuickPrefs (for Mozilla and Firefox) adds a toolbar icon with a dropdown menu of options you'd usually have to dig around
    about:config
    for, such as cookie/image blocking, referrer and useragent spoofing, and animated image settings (never, once, or normal).
  32. Be warned HCI is crap by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firefox has great standards compatability, but has piss poor HCI.

    URL fails to load -> url blanked

    Switch from one tab to another while url loading -> old url displayed.

    Page fails to load because of DNS lookup -> stored in the menu bar cache!.

    Download -> gets sent somewhere whithout asking, doesn't tell the user that anythings happended.

    Download again -> creates a new file blar+1 no continue/overwrite prompt or anything.

    Close browser while downloading -> canceles all your downloads.

    Download more than one extension -> get anoying prompts that are incorrect!

    etc... etc.... etc.... etc.....

    Firefox has to be one of the most anoying pieces of software I have ever used.

    I only use it because it's more standards complient and faster than the alternitives.

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  33. Yes it can stop animated gifs by WD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to:
    about:config

    Find "image.animation_mode"
    Change it to "once" or "none"

    1. Re:Yes it can stop animated gifs by JanneM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sort of wanted that as well, previously. But I've been using the Adblocker extensions for the past six months now, and as it turns out 99.9% of all animated gif:s I do not want to see are part of an ad, which Adblocker kills.

      With Adblocker and the Flash click-to-view extension, there is very rarely any unwanted blinking or moving on webpages nowadays.

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  34. err... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Informative

    Man, I don't want to know how many people think that Debian _reall_ still ships Netscape 4.7... Here's the truth:

    1. Debian has never, nor ever will include Netscape 4.7 in the default branch, because it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

    2. Debian is actually one of the more up to date distros I've used. Just run unstable and you get almost everything just a few days after release, virtually always working.

    I am sick of tired about people bashing Debian because they make every conceivable effort to guarantee that their stable distribution Just Works, even avoiding incompatibilities between versions of the same package.

    At the same time, their unstable distribution gives you the latest software as soon as is feasible while still maintaining unmatched quality, and has (to my knowledge) the largest collection of packages of any distro, compiled for several architectures.

    Combine all that with package management that is so good that other distros have eventually given up trying to match it and are now adopting apt one by one, and you have a distro that can turn intelligent people into zealots like me. Get on your knees and apologize! ;-)

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  35. CSS3 Opacity added by pi8you · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looking at the release notes on the Mozilla side of the browers, I see they've added support for CSS opacity, very cool. Not something I'd incorporate into the core design of my pages yet, but I might toss it in as a bonus to Moz users.

    1. Re:CSS3 Opacity added by cookiepus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looking at the release notes on the Mozilla side of the browers, I see they've added support for CSS opacity, very cool. Not something I'd incorporate into the core design of my pages yet, but I might toss it in as a bonus to Moz users.

      Eh? I am not sure if the CSS opacity they're refering to is different from what I am thinking of, but CSS Opacity won't be a "bonus" to Moz users. Take a look at the (never finished) page in my sig. Click on the image. You see those yellow "sticky notes" that show up? Do they look transparent to you?

      If they do, you're using MSIE (or maybe the new Mozilla?)

      So it's not like it's something new Mozilla has as an advantage over other browsers. It's something Moz is catching up to. The page in my sig was done at least a year and a half ago and the transparency has been a "bonus" for MSIE users. Mozilla didn't barf on the code (It's standard IIRC) but it just showed the yellow as Opaque.

      If these guys mean something else by CSS opacity, I am sorry to rant.

  36. Portable Firefox (Run from a USB key) by CritterNYC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For anyone who's interested, Firefox 0.9 now supports the ability to run from a USB key without any major changes AND be able to take your entire profile with you. I've repackaged the Firefox 0.9 Release Candidate as a ZIP that will create an 8.1Mb install of Firefox on your USB key, complete with a built-in profile. Full details of the changes (if you're curious, or so you can try it yourself) as well as a ZIP are available here:

    http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox/

    Any commentary or questions on this new feature can be addresses in this thread on mozillaZine.

  37. hehe by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    I like to grab there inages and email them ack to them..
    "Are these the images you don't want me to get?"

    heh... I got a lot of angry responses. I like the ones where they call me stupid.

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  38. Re:Not impressed... by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Hmm..

    gay
    adj. gayer, gayest
    1) Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
    2) Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.

    Whether or not this was the meaning the original poster intended, it seems to describe the 0.9 theme quite well.

    I think the only thing worse than insensitive people are you over-sensitive, paranoid bastards. Lighten up!

  39. Gentoo by IshanCaspian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Haha, silly debian users...I run Gentoo. I'll let you guys know what 0.9 is like next week, when it finishes compiling. ;)

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