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Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 Release Candidates Out
An anonymous reader writes "mozilla.org have released what are expected to be the final release candidates for their next versions: Mozilla 1.7RC3 (MozillaZine article; download) should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch and Firefox 0.9RC (MozillaZine article; download) features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows (though please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet). The final releases of these versions are due very soon."
...is here.
FWIW, CVS 1.11.17 - the security release that happened this morning - is up there too.
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Erick
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Debian is still shipping Netscape 4.7...
THe linux gtk installer version of this RC tells me to exit all Windows programs before running Setup.
DONE!
My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?). They really need to fix that
Also, some pages like WashingtonPost.com have a problem where it is constantly reloading itself (perhaps a JS error).
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Had I known that installing both these packages would cause a new version release the next day, I would have done it much sooner.
Time to go wash my car.
So, what will be the name of Firefox's new version? (I vote for Powercthüllu. Got to love Firesomething :)
Cozinha para as massas (e para geeks)
Anyone wanna seed the firefox d/l?
Anyone notice that there are editor holy wars (vi emacs), distro holy wars, but no 'browser' holy wars (yeah, ie vs mozilla, but that windows vs linux... I'm talking all in linux). Stuff like 'theme isn't finished' would be jumped on by the 'other browser' elitists. So linux needs a second open source free browser project so we can have a browser holywar.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Has anyone noticed differences between the HTML engines in Mozilla? Using Mozilla/Firefox on a Linux distro, there are certain style sheets that do not display correctly (mostly hidden behind a graphic or otherwise), but seem to work fine under Mozilla/Firefox in Windows. An example is www.aicipc.com.
I'm very disappointed. I was under the impression that open source and the ingenuity of a team of dedicated, enthusiastic developers could finally push Rapid NameChange(TM) technology into the mainstream.
Huh? You mean insecure, bloated, and integrated into your OS? Just use IE? Or change your habits?
It was just discussed earlier today that some users cant install Mozilla on restricted systems but you can download the zip files on run from any directory. So there is no need to patch IE. Just start with mozilla.
Some option you will want to use are under edit -> preferences -> Navigator:
+ Tabbed browsing - turn on Load Links in background, Add, Tabs, Middle click and ctrl-enter
+ Smart browsing - Enable Internet Keywords, Auto complete, Domain Guessing
The key for someone new is to try it. Don't listen to everyone one trying to shove Mozilla at you, but simply check it out for say 3 days. If you don't like it then that is ok but I bet you will start saying that it's a great browser.
Since spyware has gone cross-platform thanks to the XPI extensions, they've now implemented a whitelist (see What's New) in retaliation.
This really is open source at its best. Microsoft has not responded to the same problems involving ActiveX.
Is Camino still being worked on at all? It's been 0.8b since like early 2003.
Why do they put a default theme that is "nowhere near finished" in a product that's "due very soon"?
Yes, I know Firefox is "for those on the cutting edge", and I guess we shouldn't expect cutting-edge products to be completely finished in every respect, but Firefox is the only open source product most of my Windows-using friends are willing to even try. It would be a shame to hamper its continued spread by making the default theme an unfinished one.
-- If no truths are spoken then no lies can hide --
There is a luna theme availible, but it doesn't appear to be maintained anymore. It breaks some features in Firefox 0.8, but if the IE look is all you care about, there you are.
I don't know about Mozilla, but the last time I upgraded Firefix (0.8), the installer pick up all of the bookmarks, stored form information, etc.
There's been an ie skin for mozilla in the usual places, I was playing with it at least a year ago...
It's a hilarious hack, and makes it look a _lot_ like ie, but it's not a perfect emulation since there are no viruses, and popups are blocked, but otherwise, a pretty fair approximation.
Am I the only one confused by a "release candidate" for version 0.9?
It's not even 1.0 yet, you can't rely on it to be stable (although I have found 0.8 to work better than IE, which is supposedly stable).
Why not call it 0.85 if it's not 0.9?
Seems a bit faster to start up than before and the warning on closing a window with multiple tabs open is long overdue. The new theme, however, is pretty disgusting (except the "throbber") and most of the themes out there don't seem to be backwards compatible.
What about Konqueror, you jackass.
an ill wind that blows no good
I'd like to help the community and I could actually install mozilla on several dozen of the PCs that I administer but the curve is too high for non-geeks. I will continue to use IE and endorse it with this kind of response.
My girlfriend is as non-geek as you can get. When I removed IE from the Desktop and replaced it with a Firefox Icon, she didn't even miss a beat. As long as all her bookmarks imported she could care less what was displaying the site.
That said, I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss a beat when using Firefox as opposed to IE. To most people, a browser, is a browser, is a browser...
Can I get an eye poke?
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what are the benefits of using firefox and thunderbird over using the normal mozilla?
I've been using mozilla for a long time, and haven't had a reason to try the new offsprings, so I'm mainly looking for an overview.
Well, I downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.9 for Windows here at work, and noticed the installer said that it was version 0.8. I thought maybe I downloaded the wrong file. I looked at my desktop and it said FirefoxSetup-0.9rc.exe. I went ahead with the install, and loaded up Firefox. It was definitley a different theme, but when I went to Help->About, it said it was version 0.8...
Did someone forget to update the installer and the about dialog boxes?
Eric
I keep coming back to Konqueror simply because the font rendering is simple the best looking. I really hope Firefox's font rendering get's addressed before 1.0.
Shh.
Yeah, IE is so much more superior, I can't imagine why anyone would use Mozilla/Firefox...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
I just happened to swing by the mozilla page today before the story broke, and happily downloaded and installed the release candidate.. It was on my system for about 5 minutes, and now I'm back to 0.8
.. so I figure they just haven't been updated, so I went to the bugzilla entry about themes and found some 0.9-upgraded themes.. downloaded just fine, but I was unable to switch to the new theme even after a browser restart ... the hideous new theme just wouldn't go away! (but I kinda like the new theme selector)
The new default theme looks UGLY... so I figure ok, I can change it. Every theme I tried from the themes site didn't work (wouldn't install)
As an extra irrotation, someone decided it's a good idea to change the hotkey that opens the downloads window.. that was the last straw for me.
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Heh?! I convinced some randomer from archery to install firefox, and not only did he not get lost and isn't a geek, but he also said he found it much better than IE.
I can't remember Mozilla, but Firefox is incredibly easy and intuitive.
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I just installed .9, and unfortuanetly it doesn't allow you to use any old themes or extensions (and as far as I know there aren't any new ones). It did manage to bring over all of my setting to the new version quite nicily, though I have to say that the new default theme isn't nearly as nice as the old one.
In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and is widely considered as a bad move.
Most of IE is loaded when Windows starts. Compare the load time of IE with the time Mozilla takes to start the SECOND time you run it (when its files are in cache) if you want a valid comparison. And then, hard to say which is the fastest.
And Mozilla still has the best security, tabbed browsing, and so on...
I've been using Fire[bird|fox] for about a year - and I just can't get over the fact that the installer is so tiny: 4.7 mb ..
I noticed a couple problems with .9rc so i reinstalled .8 until .9 is released. A couple of them were stylesheets didn't show up correctly, not all the themes/extentions worked yet. I realize that these can/will be fixed, but I will wait to install it until they are, I really like my mouse gestures extention that I couldn't get to work on .9 rc.
:)
I think I am going to like firefox's new extention manager/updator as well, looks cool.
All in all it looks like a good release, with just a couple bugs to iron out. Then the authors of the extentions need to update them too.
Windows is still shipping IE 6..
Signatures are for stupids.
Change the following items in classic.jar/skin/classic/browser/browser.css and the default theme looks WAY better:
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button { padding: 3px; }
.toolbarbutton-1[open="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[checked="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[open="true"] { padding: 4px 2px 2px 4px !important; }
.toolbarbutton-1,
.toolbarbutton-1[checked="true"],
The spacing is less annoying and the icons look a lot better.
æeee!
The old theme, Qute, is now available from Arvid Axelsson's site. You can also install it in Firefox 0.8, which by default runs a version of Qute v1, whereas the version that was initially going to go into Firefox 0.9 was Qute v2.
I personally resisted the move to firefox (on non IE browser) for long, trying alternative browsers and giving up because one small function/feature is missing. The last straw with IE was when the web sites started getting popups inspite of the google blocker. That plus the undesirable images that come in webmails or websites made me switch.
FYI, the killer feature I like in firefox is its ability not to load any image in the current site/page that is not from that site, sure fire way to kill all those ads.
Only problem I see is the way firefox works in linux (KDE) vs windoze (esp the backspace key). guess, I just need to learn to use alt-arrow
but the curve is too high for non-geeks
Not to sound 'elitist', but if these people have that big of an issue switching browsers, they either shouldn't be using one, or need to undergo training. Generally you just tell people that 'favorites' and 'bookmarks' are the same thing, and hardly anyone really cares.
Back, forward, refresh and stop buttons are pretty self explanitory - and the url bar is basically the same. If people can't figure these things out they shouldn't be on the web either.
If you liked the theme from 0.8 (qute) better you can download it for 0.9. The author completely revamped qute for 0.9 and it's better than ever.
I don't know about the rest of you but this new theme doesn't look as nice to me. The icon's aren't as detailed or polished and it feels a little clunky compared to the old one.
Also, shame on the Mozilla folks for not letting the Qute author know all his hard work to support their project wouldn't be included.
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Does Ctrl+N create a new window that is a duplicate/clone of the current window?
Is that the behavior you desire? If so, I must admit my confusion as to why you'd want two browser windows with the same page loaded at the same time. And if your purpose is to follow links from a page while keeping the page itself around, opening links in tabs to perform that function is %1000 more efficient than opening new windows (and reloading the original page into the new window each time).
1.7 will be declared stable with 1.8 taking over the role of development
Screenie of the new "Winstripe" theme
Many users will whine on and on about the most trivial differences. Case in point:
We used to use Eudora around here. I don't know why, it was before I got hired. Well we have lots of people that STILL USE IT! Version 3 even. We try to push them towards Thundirbird. I mean there is nothing I can think of that Eudora does that Thundirbird doesn't (other than suck) and lots of things it can't do. Also an e-mail client is an e-mail client. I mean they all get your mail, list it, and let you reply.
Nope. There is man who bitch and whine and refuse to change. It's too hard to learn, they say. A Eudora skin would make my life much easier, though I'd reeally rather they learn the new interface (it takes what, 10 seconds to learn?)
So never say "people won't care because it's a little different. They can, and will, for some damn reason.
a) Are you sure it's the same HTML/stylesheet/etc? Some broken sites try to alter their content for the user agent.
b) It could be that the stylesheet is broken and ASSumes the fonts and sizes being used are the Windows defaults, and not the Linux values you're using.
c) Blame it on Canada.
I was having major issues with Firefox 0.8 viewing /. in Mac OS X. It would completely push the news headers off the window, horizontally, until I refreshed a couple times.
That seems to have been addressed in 0.9rc (running it now).
I just had a strange experience, however, when I was running the 0.9rc app after taking it from the disk image..firefox kept trying to open and then closed itself after 3 seconds and did this over and over until I had to reboot.
Hopefully that was just a first-run thing
shame on us / for all we have done / and all we ever were / just zeroes and ones
Neil Turner points out that this version has "A 3% increase in general speed".
Startup will be a tiny bit slower because of the 7zip compression of the executable files.
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
I don't care how far along the new theme is, there's no redeeming value or promise in it for me. The old theme, designed to work with 0.9, is right here.
I installed 0.9 and went "Ahhh! Ugly!". I thought the 0.8 theme was way better. I followed this guys tip now I'm really digging the 0.9 theme. I hope the developers follow suite and make the spacing smaller in the release version.
A company that I consult for still uses *a lot* of Win 95 Machines. Of course, like everyone in the win32 world, they are begining to have lots of problems with spyware, adware and various other sorts of crapware that seem to do little more than destablize their computers.
/. confirm that this is a known issue that'll be fixed or there exists a work-around for?
Long story short: I did a fresh install of Win 95 C (the latest and greatest version of 95) and proceeded to download Mozilla 1.6 stable and 1.7rc3 and Firefox. However, none of these browsers would work... just a brief start-up splash-screen and then... nothing.
I know 95 is old, but Mozilla is a must these days. I'm no bug-hunting, bug-reporting expert, but could anyone on
Thanks
I you really want to start a flame war on /.,
and I have started several good ones (over 10 replies), I suggest picking a more incendiary topic.
Global warming is my personal favorite, transatlantic politics is another.
Who cares about Konqueror except a few KDE fanboys? Futhermore, be subtle. The best
responses come from people who don't know they
are being pervoked.
A question for the whole forum: What was the greatest /. flamewar of all time?
an ill wind that blows no good
Firefox has great standards compatability, but has piss poor HCI.
URL fails to load -> url blanked
Switch from one tab to another while url loading -> old url displayed.
Page fails to load because of DNS lookup -> stored in the menu bar cache!.
Download -> gets sent somewhere whithout asking, doesn't tell the user that anythings happended.
Download again -> creates a new file blar+1 no continue/overwrite prompt or anything.
Close browser while downloading -> canceles all your downloads.
Download more than one extension -> get anoying prompts that are incorrect!
etc... etc.... etc.... etc.....
Firefox has to be one of the most anoying pieces of software I have ever used.
I only use it because it's more standards complient and faster than the alternitives.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Go to:
about:config
Find "image.animation_mode"
Change it to "once" or "none"
Man, I don't want to know how many people think that Debian _reall_ still ships Netscape 4.7... Here's the truth:
;-)
1. Debian has never, nor ever will include Netscape 4.7 in the default branch, because it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
2. Debian is actually one of the more up to date distros I've used. Just run unstable and you get almost everything just a few days after release, virtually always working.
I am sick of tired about people bashing Debian because they make every conceivable effort to guarantee that their stable distribution Just Works, even avoiding incompatibilities between versions of the same package.
At the same time, their unstable distribution gives you the latest software as soon as is feasible while still maintaining unmatched quality, and has (to my knowledge) the largest collection of packages of any distro, compiled for several architectures.
Combine all that with package management that is so good that other distros have eventually given up trying to match it and are now adopting apt one by one, and you have a distro that can turn intelligent people into zealots like me. Get on your knees and apologize!
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I too wouldn't mind being able to clone the old window in the new window; it's one thing about IE I grew to like. I did it so I could have the same history in both windows. For my browsing habits, at least, it is nice to jump around in both.
A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
Looking at the release notes on the Mozilla side of the browers, I see they've added support for CSS opacity, very cool. Not something I'd incorporate into the core design of my pages yet, but I might toss it in as a bonus to Moz users.
For anyone who's interested, Firefox 0.9 now supports the ability to run from a USB key without any major changes AND be able to take your entire profile with you. I've repackaged the Firefox 0.9 Release Candidate as a ZIP that will create an 8.1Mb install of Firefox on your USB key, complete with a built-in profile. Full details of the changes (if you're curious, or so you can try it yourself) as well as a ZIP are available here:
/
http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox
Any commentary or questions on this new feature can be addresses in this thread on mozillaZine.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
You don't get laid much, do you?
(says he who's pissed there's no Orbit theme for Firefox 0.9 yet. The default theme is fugly! )
Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down.
but it also comes with a theme that is quite gay in comparison to the old one.
Yes, and did you see how jew the colours were? The fonts were quite nigger too.
Asshole.
Since the link on the mozilla.org homepage is still pointing to 0.8, here's a link to the official
Firefox 0.9 RC Release Notes.
I like to grab there inages and email them ack to them..
"Are these the images you don't want me to get?"
heh... I got a lot of angry responses. I like the ones where they call me stupid.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
You can try IErad.
!!! Not for use with Windows 2000sr2 or Windows XP
You may not be able to run windows update any more (that is the only reason I keep IE around on my windows machine).
It doesn't remove 100% of IE, but close enough.
Not only does the new default theme look like total ass
9 0
.8.
I can't disagree with you there. You've got Ben Goodger to thank for that one.
the "upgrade" also trashed all my extensions
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=817
Oh, and make sure to update, I dunno... like version numbers or something. Everything still says
If you look closely it says "0.8+". All releases before 0.9 final, and after 0.8 final are marked as 0.8+. This is the standard versioning scheme that Mozilla uses and has always used.
Does anyone else feel this entire release was just pushed out the door without any consideration at all just so people could see the new theme, which totally blows?
I highly doubt it was because of the theme. Even the ass who decided to change the theme isn't exactly raving about it. He did this so he wouldn't have to lower himself to, I donno, "negotiate" with Arvid Axelsson (the designer of the previous default theme called "Qute"). Arvid was asked about changing the license of his artwork, he expressed hesitation in doing so, so from there (without informing Arvid) found someone else to create a new default theme and even as Arvid was making checkins to the artwork for Firefox, Ben announced that Arvid was out the door and new artwork was going to be used -- only informing Arvid after the fact. At which point Arvid immediately made it clear that he would be willing to change the license of his artwork had he known what was going on. But Ben insists on wanting to feel like the all mightly dictator of the Firefox project, god forbid lowering himself to negotiate or discuss things with someone who works with him -- simply put a "my way or the highway" attitude (and he has no hesitation to make use of the highway at even the slightest sign of dissent).
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
My sister: "What's this Firefox thing?"
Me: "That's the browser I use."
My sister: "Oh, so you use that instead of Internet?"
Me: "Internet explorer."
My sister: "Same thing!"
Member of Orkut? Annoyed with spam?
Hmm..
gay
adj. gayer, gayest
1) Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
2) Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
Whether or not this was the meaning the original poster intended, it seems to describe the 0.9 theme quite well.
I think the only thing worse than insensitive people are you over-sensitive, paranoid bastards. Lighten up!
Start -> Run -> Iexplore
Haha, silly debian users...I run Gentoo. I'll let you guys know what 0.9 is like next week, when it finishes compiling. ;)
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.
anyways, as i've tested every major version of firefox for the mac for the past year or so, this one miserably failed in a few short seconds:
and with that, it was closed and deleted immediately. maybe they'll fix those two things that are absolustely essential to me one day. oh well, in the mean time i'll just stick with camino (which is buggy as shit right now).
- tristan
I became disillusioned a long time ago when the moved Edit->Preferences to Tools->Preferences, which doesn't make any sense (is "Preferences" a tool???), just to be like Microsoft.