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Austin Becoming Wi-Fi Hot Spot

Omega1045 writes "The Austin Chronicle is running an interesting article on how Austin is fast becoming the Wi-Fi Capital of the Free (as in beer) Wireless World. With the industry standardization board Wi-Fi Alliance moving to Austin earlier this year, and groups like Austin Free-Net helping local businesses, the article quotes Austin has having more hotspots 'than anywhere else on the planet'. While this article does quite a bit of bragging about Austin, it also does a great job of highlighting how businesses and local non-profits can work together to promote and profit from free Wi-Fi Internet access. This provides an excellent model for other cities to follow using tools like Less Network."

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  1. Dear Slashdot by Letter · · Score: 2, Funny
    Dear Slashdot,

    So you can get free wi-fi...
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    but you have to live in Texas.

    -Letter

  2. Saturation by RucasRiot · · Score: 2, Informative

    The abundant Wi-Fi saturation in the area is actually causing interference between access points. The over-propagation in the area is incredible.

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    1. Re:Saturation by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

      The abundant Wi-Fi saturation in the area is actually causing interference between access points. The over-propagation in the area is incredible.

      WiFi's collision domain is with anything else that's transmitting on the same frequencies within the 2.4gHz/5.8gHz bands. It's not just your subnet anymore, it's everybody transmitting there.

      Just like how these new "Turbo WiFi" devices are suggesting using the entire 2.4gHz range instead of just 1/3 of it like the proper channel-based protcol suggests, it's a tragedy of the commons waiting to happen. When too many people are using WiFi, it'll become unusable for everybody.

      Oversaturation is a big issue. WiFi shouldn't be painting a whole city in places where it wasn't asked for.

    2. Re:Saturation by randyest · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize that WEP can't magically remove interfering signals, right? It will prevent you from connecting to them, but it can't remove the impact of the interference (collisions, reduced bandwidth, and in extreme circumstances, no bandwidth.)

      Oh, and I think other OSes support WEP as well. Not just windows :)

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    3. Re:Saturation by randyest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You still don't get it. OP said:

      Oversaturation is a big issue. WiFi shouldn't be painting a whole city in places where it wasn't asked for.

      Then you said:

      I think the key to oversaturation isn't to stop people to making these cities 100% covered. If I am reading you correctly, I infer that you are saying that you don't want to be sitting if you house and having the free connection overlapping your DSL or Cable Modem. Well if you set your WAP up with WEP encryption, you won't have this problem.

      And that's where you were wrong. I'm sure the OP knows how to select the SSID -- that's not the problem. The problem is the nagative perfomance impact of collisions from loads of wifi signals overlapping, especially high-bandwidth "g" networks, and new implementations that reduce the number of channels available to improve bandwidth on one link at the expense of everyone in the area.

      Your post flat-out said WEP would eliminate the problem. It doesn't. Hence the (well-deserved) +4 Informative.

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  3. Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm moving to Austin. Err, once I move out of my parent's basement.

  4. It's like my momma always said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The world is ready for a new way of doing business and living life. It's not about more money and more stuff. It's about knowing the difference between a life well-lived and a life that's purchased. It's about how much you can do with what you have.

    (i.e., free Wi-Fi == good)

  5. They'll need to do some catchup :-) by dirkx · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.wirelessleiden.nl/english/ is well in the lead with over 50 nodes (not just hotspots) on churches, schools, offices and other tall buildings :-) And all open source to boot (fetch yours at http://wleiden.webweaving.org:8080/svn/node-config ) or persue the configuration http://www.wleiden.net/cgi-bin/g_list.pl and actual status: http://uuu.wirelessleiden.nl/nodemap.jpg.

    Dw.

  6. Give me a better reason to move to Austin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This won't mean much soon. I live in Portland, and wireless is everywhere. It seems the west coast in general is pretty wired at this point.

    In about a year or so, this will be a moot point anyway. Everyplace will have wireless broadband soon enough....

    1. Re:Give me a better reason to move to Austin! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Crushing traffic gridlock
      2. Rebulican redistricting that disenfranchises Austin voters.
      3. Expensive housing (maybe not as bad as Portland)
      4. Large pool of technical talent chasing fewer jobs

      I live here, and I actually like it. But in the last 10 years or so this city has a developed desperate, almost pathological need to pimp itself with dubious claims of superiority. "Live Music Capital of the World"! "Wi-Fi Hotspot!" It gets a little old, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

    2. Re:Give me a better reason to move to Austin! by Omega1045 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You do live here! Seriously, I know I might get modded off-topic, but you should vote rail in November as we really need it. At the CapMetro Rail meeting the other night I suggested that they provide wi-fi on their trains, if the voters will approve it this time. Check out their site All Systems Go! and let them know they should put wi-fi on the trains. I also suggested bike storage, and coffee shops at the stations.

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    3. Re:Give me a better reason to move to Austin! by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rail? Give me a break. I live off Parmer Ln and it wont do me jack. Also, you still have to drive to the rail system. And when you get to your destination, you will have to take a taxi, bus, or if your luck, walk not to far from the office.

      On the other hand, I wish Austin would keep with "green" traditions and support bio-fuel. E85 would be a good start.

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  7. Urm what? by gotr00t · · Score: 5, Informative
    You have obviously NEVER EVEN been to Austin. This city itself is enormous, with a population of well over a million by now. The UT campus is a mere 500 acres north of downtown (not counting the other properties), with a total population of less than 100,000. Sure, its a huge university, the largest in the world, but it is still just one part of a much larger city.

    What you're saying might be true for towns say, Bryan College Station in Texas, where Texas A&M is located.

    1. Re:Urm what? by Omega1045 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Totally with you, except the population. Austin is at around 656,562. I bet if you add Cedar Park, Pfluegeville, Round Rock, and all of the others, you might have close to 1 million.

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    2. Re:Urm what? by Glonoinha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been to Austin, it is massive. Takes an hour to get where you want to go, driving full speed on the freeway. And yes the city is a hotbed of open WiFi.

      If Hanlon had a corollary, however, it would be : 'Never attribute to good heart or generosity that which is easily explained by ignorance.' Just because a city has a Fry's (electronics wholesaler, sells wifi dirt cheap) and ten thousand unsecured wireless access points, don't think for a second that ten thousand people all decided to to donate bandwidth out of the goodness of their hearts. More likely scenario : get home / to the office, plug it in, watch the blinkenlighten, It Works!, drink beer, surf Internet.

      Then again, Texans (and Austin'ites) are pretty good at heart people, some of them may know they are open and leave it so people can use it.

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  8. Re:More to the point by Omega1045 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The University of Texas at Austin makes up about 90%

    That may have been closer to true 15 years ago, but not now. With the huge expansion of Austin during the dot com years, the UT Campus doesn't make up anywhere near 90% of the city. Heck, it didn't make up 50% 15 years ago. Have you been to Austin, and if so, did you make it out of downtown?

    The "Northern Coridor" up highways US 183 and IH 35 are where many of the tech companies are located (IBM, Motorola, Dell), and where many of the techies live. It is hard not to find a coffee shop in the this area that doesn't have wi-fi, at least from my experience. And I would be willing to bet most of those campuses are WiFi.

    In closing, RTFA.

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    Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein

  9. Re:Great, but about here? by Omega1045 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can hope, or you could get involved with a local WiFi club. I am already going to try to seek these guys out (Austin Free-Net) after reading the article.

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    Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein

  10. Not quite the world's WiFi leader by node+3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Portland's Personal Telco Project has well over 100 free hotspots throughout the city. Austin Free Net has 36 (based on their listing of hotspots which have libraries listed from 1-22 and other places as A-O). The city of Portland is also working, in cooperation with the local university, the city government, and various megacorps (such as Intel) to blanket the entire city with free WiFi (see Free For All).

    But, it doesn't matter much who wins. What's great is that independent groups are popping up all across the country (and presumably, the planet). I know that Portland, Boston, and Austin all have growing free WiFi organizations, and I'm sure there are others.

    Do you know how nice it is to take your iBook, Vaio, whatever, down to the local park and have free high-speed WiFi access? Thanks to these people (and others!), some day you will.

    Let me tell you, it's nice. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from the 21st century.

  11. Re:I don't get the Wi-Fi buzz. by jwcorder · · Score: 4, Informative
    Dude, the buzzzzz is there is NO WIRE! No one every said it would replace a wired connection. If you are trying to get speed, stay with a wire. But you want to enjoy surfing the web from the recliner, or while taking a dump, wireless is more then a convient way to access the internet.

    802.11 B isn't the way to go anymore either. Move on over to 802.11 g and experience faster data transfer. The basics are that you have to know what kind of monster you are trying to attack here. What kind of building do you live in? Do you have copper pipes? What about plaster walls? Do you have a microwave oven and a keg-a-rator next to where you are going to be surfing the web? If so, you need to step you the transmission a little. Do some googling on boosting your signal.

    I don't want to flame you, but you can't kill a technology that has tons of potiential and may alter the future only because you have had some bad experiences. For all you know, it could have been that 2.4 ghz cordless phone you bought at Best Buy that killed your connection. Or maybe you may leave in a nuclear fall out bunker. I bet a Wi-Fi WAP wouldn't transmit 10 ft in one of those.

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  12. WiFi irony... by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

    I live in a small town -with wal*mart being our nearest retail store- and I chuckle every time I see their WiFi cards, routers, etc sitting and gathering dust.

    The nearest hotspot is most likely 12 miles away!

  13. Re:More to the point by TerraFrost · · Score: 2, Informative
    UT Austin's wireless network is only available to paying students or faculty members. As such, I'm not really sure how it would contribute, in any way, to Austin, TX, being the "Wi-Fi Capital of the Free (as in beer) Wireless World."

    Additionally, and as someone else has pointed out before, UT Austin does not make up 90% of the city. Austin, TX has almost a quarter of a million square miles, according to this site, whereas UT Austin only has 0.5 square miles associated with it, according to this site (you can do the unit conversion from acres to square miles yourself).

  14. its true. by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a friend and i were driving among the streets of austin (not just downtown or near UT, but in and around other places) and it is possible to simply jump from hotspot to hotspot while waiting for the light at an intersection or while driving around.

    They're everywhere. Virtually every decent pub, restaurant and coffee shop here has free wireless.

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  15. Oh great Toronto in the making... by peeon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here comes the child porn surfers driving around with no pants on.

  16. "wireless"? by Twid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I chuckle every time I hear about "wireless" networks because every time I wander into starbuck's or any other spot with wireless everyone with a computer is jockeying for the power outlets. There usually aren't nearly enough outlets for the number of people who need power. Heck, when people bring laptops into one-hour meetings in my workplace they are usually jockeying for outlets too.

    So, maybe we're seeing a large deployment of "one less wire" networks, but until battery life gets much better, I don't think it's fair to say wireless. Most laptops and pda-type gadgets are lucky to get two hours of "real" usage in the field. By "real" I mean actually using the laptop or gadget on the wireless to surf the internet while, for example, playing music. (Everyone in these coffee shops seems to have headphones plugged into their laptop when I see them.)

    Just an observation, not a critique on the article.

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    1. Re:"wireless"? by Twid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sorry to reply to my own comment, but I looked closer at the picture in the article of Richard MacKinnon, captioned as part of the Austin Wireless City Project. He has a rather conspicuous power cable plugged into his laptop.

      Wireless? I think not. :)

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      - "When you want something with all your heart, the entire universe conspires to give it to you" -Paulo Coelho
    2. Re:"wireless"? by eggboard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a neat part of the design of newer restaurants and coffeeshops: they have to plan for more juice!

      A coffeeshop that opened last July in Seattle near my office had put in several outlets before they opened, and they have free Wi-Fi. About two weeks later, overwhelmed with laptops -- and doing great business -- they installed a whole strip of outlets and changed their table layout for more two-person tables. The place sometimes has 8 to 10 people working in it, all of them buying coffee and contributing to a nice air of comradeliness.

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  17. Well, of course! It's Austin. by xIcemanx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Austin's becoming a hot hot spot because it's still a comparatively small city with the likes of New York and such.

    Imagine stretching WiFi from the Bronx to JFK Airport, and I don't find it surprising that Austin is so hot. Some small city was bound to become a hot hot spot, and Austin happened to have good luck.

  18. Re:More to the point by equiraptor · · Score: 2, Informative

    If the princetonreview.com figure and the conversion by http://www.onlineconversion.com/area.htm are correct, UT Austin does only have ~.56 square miles (357 acres). Have you been there? Most (nearly all?) of the buildings have basements, some as many as 4 floors down, and there's many, many levels above ground in nearly all of the buildings. UT Austin is not designed like Texas Tech; it's designed to take up a small amount of space. It started as a mere 40 acres, just north of Austin, and has been enveloped by the city. Only a portion of the students live on campus.

  19. Re:They'll need to do some catchup - fixed links by Richard_L_James · · Score: 2, Informative
    I wish slashcode would automatically convert URL's.... fixed links in a handy list for the lazy (like myself :)

  20. Why? Lightning! by Temkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having just moved to the Austin area from Silicon Valley....

    Wireless is very popular here because they get more lightning strikes per week than Kali gets in a year! Having everything connected with wires is like playing russian roulette. I'm going to need at least 3 more APC UPS's.

    On the upside... The BBQ is excelent, and gas/diesel/rent/food/etc... is cheap. :)

  21. a better reason to move to Austin! by loid_void · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chicken fried steak w/ bisquits and gravey.

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  22. UT-Austin's WNGG by yttrium · · Score: 2, Informative

    The ECE dept here at Univ Texas-Austin just opened a newly $1.5 million remodeled lab for the Wireless Networking & Communications Group. Austin is moving up the ladder in WiFi. Here's the WNCG webpage: WNCG.

  23. Re:free = profit? by chia_monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not as baffling as it sounds. Setting up a WiFi hotspot doesn't cost that much these days. A company that provides free wireless can obviously have an advantage over similar companies that don't have free WiFi when catering to patrons that are looking for WiFi. Just as some travelers may want to stay at a hotel that has a free pool as opposed to a hotel without one, a hotel (or coffee shop, or...) can draw more people simply because they have free WiFi. So for minimal cost, you can fill that room in your hotel or have more people stopping at your restaurant. Profit!

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  24. They should exploit Austin's unique advantage... by gojomo · · Score: 5, Funny
  25. Re:Well, of course! It's Austin. by djeaux · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Austin's becoming a hot hot spot because it's still a comparatively small city with the likes of New York and such.

    Austin may be small by comparison with NYC but it's a major metro area compared with most places.

    Still, your comment made me wonder if wi-fi could be the basis for an economic development model for smaller cities & towns. I wonder if any of the profs at UT are looking at that aspect of the Austin "model"...

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  26. Wardriving Austin? by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those of you interested in wardriving or what's out there, here's a look at Austin Texas from a wardriver's point of view.

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  27. Re:free = profit? by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Free Wi-Fi Internet
    2. ???
    3. Profit!
    How about:
    2. More people come to your business

    Simple, huh?

  28. hotspot security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This article comes just in time! I bought Linksys WRT54G for my home network and I'm intterested to open it for my fellow net users, BUT. As I have experience in hosting / server administration, I'm concerned of security. Mostly MY security, to prevent my AP becoming a source of spam. I think I should set up firewall to limit smtp-traffic, but what's sufficient? I think the problem is common with other free internet access points / cafes, schools etc. How is it done?

    I do know how to set up firewall / routing / bandwidth control, but which rules to use? Any points to good sources of information?

  29. Re:free = profit? Just look at the coffee shops by raider_red · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's actually working out pretty well. Starbucks is getting no draw whatsoever from their wi-fi installations which are run by T-mobile. The locally owned shops like Halcyon, Little City, and Mozart's are packed almost every day with paying customers who drop by to drink coffee, surf, and check their email. Wi-fi costs them little more than their initial installation plus monthly ISP fees, and they draw in more customers.

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  30. Enlighten me by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is Wi-Fi big in the states? Just how big?
    I'm finding all this coverage a little puzzling.

    I haven't heard of a single Wi-Fi hotspot in this country(Ireland).

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  31. Austin wi-fi how-to by cabazorro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Move to Austin and crash w/ a friend.
    Apply for UT or ACC get admitted.
    Grow a pony tail.
    Get a job at HEB or Fiesta or Central
    Market.
    Wear a belly pack.
    Get a Student Loan (2k).
    By a cheapo laptop and used bike.
    Default your loan.
    Get your own place in the crappy
    side of town (East I-35).
    Finally get your back pack, your belly
    pack wait 3 hrs for the dillo bus
    down town. Go to cafe on South Congress.
    Go to the bathroom and change your sweat
    drenched shirt and remove the fire ant
    that's been chewing your skin inside your
    sock all the way from Ben White.
    Finagle an AC outlet. Log-On to Slashdot
    and brag about Austin is intensity in
    ten cities..cool dude!
    Buy Chai tea with the last dollar
    til payday(bring extra bag for refill).

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