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Sneak Peek at Paul Allen's Sci-Fi Museum

Comte writes "About three hundred charter members, local sci-fi cognoscenti and assorted geeks got a sneak peek last night of Paul Allen's $22 mm Science Fiction Museum prior to its official grand opening this Friday." Comte peeked, and contributes his impressions of the museum -- read on below to see what it's like. If you're in Seattle with a few hours, he says it's worth dropping in. (The rest of the text is his.)

The Museum, incorporated into Allen's "Experience Music Project" in the Frank Gehry-designed "Blob" at the foot of the Space Needle is divided into several sections, with "Homeworld" taking up the bulk of the mid-level. This exhibit includes "The Sci-Fi Hall Of Fame," along with a nifty timeline of s/f related events from history; a display system that projects stunning 3-D representations of planets onto a globular surface; "Not So Weird Science," focusing on how fiction has influenced scientific and technological innovation; and my personal favorite, "The Science Fiction Community," displaying examples of fan-fic, 'zines, and memorabilia that will have the most rabid s/f geek drooling in admiration: the legendary Forrest J. Ackerman's first published letter to Amazing Stories back in the 1930's (Ackerman is listed as a member of SFM's Advisary Board, along with other notables such as Arthur C. Clarke, Harlan Ellison, Ray Bradbury & Greg Bear, just to name a few), a first-draft manuscript by Theodore Sturgeon, Ellison's Smith Corona manual typewriter, a signed, first-edition copy of Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World," the first Hugo Award presented to Ackerman in 1953, and other juicy items (many of which presumably come from Ackerman's personal collection).

One floor down are the other exhibits. "Fantastic Voyages" includes the much anticipated "Space Dock," a virtual representation of famous sci-fi spaceships (although a number of notable examples are missing: there's no TV Jupiter II, none of the ships from the "Alien" series, only one example from the "Star Trek" franchise, and no "Liberator," Eagles or TARDIS -- the Brits being generally underrepresented throughout the Museum), as well as the bulk of the prop and costume displays. Although this area tends to be rather heavy on TV/film memorabilia, there are still some choice items here: a model of the U.S. Capital dome used by Ray Harryhausen in "Earth Versus The Flying Saucers," original models from "Land Of The Giants," "Alien," "Close Encounters," the TV "Buck Rogers," "ET," and "Trek," along with a literal arsenal of weapons, including original phasers, a LIS blaster from Season One, a crossbow used by Jane Fonda in "Barbarella," and an original 1930's-era raygun from the Buck Rogers serials, among many others.

This is followed by perhaps the most disappointing section, "Brave New Worlds," encompassing the "Cities of Tomorrow" display, a CGI-driven exhibit similar to "Space Dock," but which only shows environments from three sources: a rather whimsical view of life in the 4th millenium courtesy of "The Jetson's," Ridley Scott's 21st-Century Los Angeles from "Blade Runner" (look for Dolly The Sheep on one of the rooftops!), and depictions from "The Matrix." This is followed by "Experimental Societies," basically just a display of the usual genre literature, and "Out Of The Ashes," currently limited to a few costume pieces from the 1968 "Planet Of The Apes."

The final section: "Them!" is pretty much what you'd expect -- a representation of aliens exclusively from TV/film media. The Queen Alien is pretty impressive up close, and there's a funny interplay set up between "Robbie The Robot" and "LIS's" B-9 using cleverly interspliced voice clips. At the end is a small gallery of sci-fi artwork, mostly inconsequential book-cover art, but with several pieces from acknowledged masters such as Chesley Bonestell, Frank R. Paul, and the real treat -- practically the entire collection of artwork produced by Fred Freeman and Rolf Klep for Werner von Braun's 1953 "Colliers" magazine series.

Overall, I'd say if you're interested in seeing a pretty good collection of items that encompasses more than just a "Planet Hollywood" style display of film memorabilia, then this is probably worth the $12.95 admission if you're in the neighborhood, particularly if you have at least two hours to spend going through the interactive exhibits. I'm not totally convinced it's worth the $40 to cough up for the annual membership, however, in speaking with one of the Museum staff, I was informed that some of the exhibits will change over time, with new items from Allen's extensive collection being swapped in and out. Otherwise, most of the displays are considered "permanent," although it seems pretty clear at least some of them can be replaced -- and in the case of "Brave New Worlds," probably should.

Photography is prohibited in the Museum (and the lighting level was too low for me to sneak any decent shots with my Zire 71), but if you want to take a gander at some press snaps of the exhibits, check out the Seattle Times "Inside" section.

Thanks to comte for the report.

164 comments

  1. Pictures by strictnein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Took me a while to find them...

    Here (without the annoying popup)

    After seeing those... I'm disappointed to say the least.

    1. Re:Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took you a while to find them?
      You can't drive one mile though seattle with out seeing signs pointing to the Seattle Center and then there always that big f**king building called the Space Needle wich sort of gives away it location.

    2. Re:Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took me a while to find them...

      That's because the building is, as the summary states, only 22 millimeters (mm).

    3. Re:Pictures by Jonathan · · Score: 1

      After seeing those... I'm disappointed to say the least.

      Why? What were you expecting? It looks more interesting than the overrated Spy Museum we have here in DC...

    4. Re:Pictures by strictnein · · Score: 1

      more full mockup rooms/settings you can walk through
      you know... kind of a "walk through the future city" thing or "walk through a sci-fi setting from a movie or something else"

  2. Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by tedtimmons · · Score: 5, Funny
    Okay, I'm going to save some time (and replies) on this thread and post a whole bunch of Seattle jokes. Perhaps that will cause the rest of this thread to avoid the obvious rain jokes and concentrate on more serious things, like hot grits and Natalie Portman.

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    A newcomer to Seattle arrives on a rainy day. She gets up the next day and it's raining. It also rains the day after that, and the day after that. She goes out to lunch and sees a young kid and, out of despair, asks, "Hey, kid, does it ever stop raining around here?" The kid says, "How do I know? I'm only 6."

    ----

    "I can't believe it," said the tourist. "I've been here an entire week and it's done nothing but rain. When do you have summer here?" "Well, that's hard to say," replied the local. "Last year, it was on a Wednesday." ----

    A curious fellow died one day and found himself in limbo waiting in a long, long line for judgment. As he stood there, he noticed that some souls were allowed to march right through the gates of heaven. Others were led over to Satan, who threw them into a lake of fire. Every so often, instead of hurling a poor soul into the fire, Satan would toss him or her to one side.

    After watching Satan do this several times, the fellow's curiosity got the better of him. He strolled over and tapped the devil on the shoulder.

    "Excuse me, there, Your Darkness," he said. "I'm waiting in line for judgment, and I couldn't help wondering why you are tossing some people aside instead of flinging them into the fires of hell with the others?"

    "Ah," Satan said with a grin. "Those are from Seattle. They're too wet to burn."

    ----

    A Californian, a Texan and a man from Seattle meet in a bar. They are good friends and are chatting away, when suddenly, the Californian grabs a bottle of fine chardonnay, throws it up in the air, and shoots it coming back down.

    The Seattle guy and the Texan are naturally amazed! They say, "Now why the heck would you do a thing like that?" they ask. He replies, "Well, there's a lot of wine where I come from, so it's not really as important to me." The Texan says, "OK, whatever."

    About 5 minutes later, the Texan grabs a bottle of fine tequilla, throws it up in the air, and shoots it coming back down. The Californian and the Seattle guy say, "Lemme guess. There's a lot of tequilla where you come from, so it does't mean that much to you." Tex says, "Correct."

    About 3 minutes later, the Seattle guy finishes off his beer, throws the bottle up in the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the Californian, and finally catches the bottle coming back down. The Texan is totally stunned! "Now what in heck made you do that?!?!? You're probably going to be put in prison and executed!!!"

    The Seattle guy says, "Well there's a lot of Californians where I come from, and I thought I would recycle the bottle."

    1. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by wankledot · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Comte · · Score: 1

      Ted,

      I've been trying to remember that bar joke for AGES! Thx!

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    3. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, you hacked weather.com, impressive. Unfortunately, all the people from Seattle will now be getting the wrong weather.

    4. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by alwaystheretrading · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Well there's a lot of Californians where I come from, and I thought I would recycle the bottle."

      This joke is borrowed from those of us in Oregon. They don't recycle bottles in Washington, whereas Oregon pioneered the bottle bill.

    5. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here are some US cities with near the same (within 10%) or more annual rainfall than Seattle: Albany, Atlanta, Atlantic City, Baltimore, Baton Roughe, Birmingham, Boston, Bridgeport, Buffalo, Charleston, Charleston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Columbia, Columbus, Concord, Grand Rapids, Hartford, Houston, Indianapolis, Jackson, Jacksonville, Juneau, Knoxville, Lexinton, Little Rock, Louisville, Memphis, Miami, Mobile, Montgomery, Mt. Washington, Nashville, Newark, New Orleans, New York, Norfolk, Pliladelphia, Pittsburgh, Portland (both of them), Providence, Raleigh, Richmond, Savannah, Tampa, Tulsa, Washington, Wilmington.

      Seattle does have a lot of precipitation days: 158 per year, but Buffalo has more (169) and Cleveland has 156.

      A lot of the cities with more rain than Seattle (some up to 50% more) only have about 100 precipitation days a year, so they rain is much more intense. So why is Seattle the city with the rain reputation?

      My guess is that because rain is about the worst thing that happens here. Sure, Buffalo gets more rain, but they also got a ton of snow and crap like that, so they problaby don't notice that they also live in a rainy place.

    6. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWA0395?from =search_city

      FYI Buffalo has more annual rain than seattle

    7. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Comte · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dang it, Harlows! You're spilling the beans on our carefully guarded secret!

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    8. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Patrick · · Score: 1
      Bite me

      If only it were mid-June all year.

    9. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hrm.. Well I can't comment on Seattle, but I can comment on Vancouver (geographically speaking, they're daaaamn close to each other).

      Vancouver has a reputation for rain but that's not because it rains more over the year than anywhere else. Instead, it's because when winter comes around, there's one kind of weather: dreary, miserable and cloudy. It rains during that time (not always), but what really sticks with people is the entire lack-of-sunshine.

      So, yea, it isn't really the rain, it's the simple fact that winter is 4 months of shitty overcast skies with a fair amount of light rain. People just sum that up as 'rainy'.

    10. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by shadowcabbit · · Score: 1

      Seattle does have a lot of precipitation days: 158 per year, but Buffalo has more (169) and Cleveland has 156.

      "Precipitation" is not "rain". In Buffalo and Cleveland, 90 of those days of precipitation occur in winter. Recall that in winter, precipitation freezes, becoming snow.

      Snow can be plowed, moved, ski'd/snowboarded/sledded upon, thrown, made into snow men/women/angels/anatomical reference dummies, and if you're really desperate, eaten (but stay away from yellow snow).

      Rain falls. That's it. It's not nearly half as much fun as snow. So, I suppose you Seattle people have to make your own fun. Which explains the caffeine jones.

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    11. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by tedtimmons · · Score: 1

      I think we (Seattle) get the rap for rain because of the number of cloudy days. Want to research that, too? :-)

      That's okay, I'm not complaining about the rain here. I love it, and it keeps the Californians away.

    12. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You kind of just proved Mr. Biteme's point. Rainfail measured in inches is about average for the climate. The only difference is in seattle it often rains a little a day during the winter months, but really not much at all.

    13. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buffalo invented Buffalo wings, so they get a pass.

      Would you eat Seattle wings?

      No, I don't think so, eww... sounds wrong.

    14. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Nothing compared with the west coast of Tasmania -- eleven or twelve feet of rain per year. People in Strahan call a fortnight without rain a "major drought" (pronounced "draft" locally).

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    15. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by adpowers · · Score: 1

      Ummm...? Every other week it is my job to haul our recycling out to the curb, including a black bin full of glass bottles. Hell, we recycle so much in Washington that we don't need to be paid to recycle.

      Andrew

    16. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Thieron · · Score: 1

      I was in Seattle a few years back during the late fall, on a business trip. The first day I was there it was clear, but drizzled a little that night. The next day was nice, then the next it rained. After a day of rain it cleared up. Mostly the rain was not heavy, but it was cold.

      Then the last day, when I was heading to the airport, it snowed. It snowed a lot. I grew up on Long Island, spent 4 years in State College, PA, and live in Baltimore. While I'd seen more snow, I've never seen it just come down so heavy before. It wasn't windy, the flakes where just heavy and it all stuck. Within a few hours there was a good 6 inches or so.

      The car service I had would not even drive in the snow. I had to take a taxi, and I tipped him a whole lot for getting me to the airport in reasonable time. Oh, also

      About 5 miles outside the city on the way to the airport there was nothing. Weird weather....

    17. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > I've been trying to remember that bar joke for AGES!

      It's better when it ends with the Texan shooting a Mexican.

    18. Re:Getting it over with- Seattle jokes by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      I lived in England for 2 years; after that I visited a friend of mine who lived in Tecoma for several weeks during the winter. Not much difference between the weather patterns - I think there were 3 days in the two weeks when it did not rain - and one day of clear skys.

      I actually liked it. My wife, on the other hand, would commit suicide if she had to endure overcast for more than a few days (she is from San Antonio Texas).

      Personally, I would like an even mixture; all the seasons in full measure with appropriate weather and moderate temperatures - wherever that can be found. In Texas winter is about a week, you don't really get a spring or fall, and summer is about 8 months out of the year. A good pair of sunglasses and sunblock is manditory.

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  3. Trek Models in Drydock? by cerebralsugar · · Score: 1

    I wonder what Star Trek model is represented in DryDock? I'm hoping for the NCC-1701-A, that was an amazing model, and in the first movie, it was really painted out of this world, with also those varying applications of laquer all over the hull. Does anyone know what happened to this model?

    Imagine if they had the original HAL ship from Space 2001??? I bet that would take up the whole museum ... I read it's 60 feet long!

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    1. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by cmowire · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All of the props and whatnot for 2001 were destroyed, upon orders from Kubrick, who didn't want to see any sequels made, ever.

      Didn't stop 2010 from happening, mind you.

    2. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      There's something about those models that make the ship look bigger and more real than the CGI stuff from TNG. It wasn't until Star Trek First Contact that I once again got the feel of a really big starship.

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    3. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by norkakn · · Score: 1

      the style of 2010 was so radically different i'm not really sure it could be called a sequel

    4. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by Comte · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, it's the TOS 1701. "Discover" from "2001: A Space Odyssey" is in the dock as well (to respond to a query below), but KIM ALL these are done in CGI, so it really wasn't a problem to recreate models that no longer exist. My guess about the absence of certain ships is that it probably has more to do with licensing issues than anything else.

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    5. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by drkhwk · · Score: 1

      There's something about those models that make the ship look bigger and more real than the CGI stuff from TNG.

      The models in TNG did not use CGI.

    6. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by Chairboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it wasn't sequels he was worried about, he didn't want to see the models recycled into cheapo movies. It was common for a studio to recycle spaceships that were originally built for a lot of money by either flying them upside down, adding a fin, or, and I'm not making this up, backwards.

      Kubrick was fine with 2010, it was crap he wanted to avoid.

    7. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Or even using ships from one race of baddies for another race of baddies because they lost the model. But gee, no one would do that! ;^P

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    8. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by LSD-25 · · Score: 1

      Remember that the ship featured in Star Trek I, II and III is the same ship as the one in the original series, extensively renovated. The 1701-A is the ship that was introduced at the end of IV, and featured in V and VI.

    9. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      the style of 2010 was so radically different i'm not really sure it could be called a sequel

      Thye rebuilt some of the 2001 ships for 2010; the Discovery as well as some pods made an appearance.

    10. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that the ship featured in Star Trek I, II and III is the same ship as the one in the original series, extensively renovated. The 1701-A is the ship that was introduced at the end of IV, and featured in V and VI.

      Holy fuck, could you be a bigger nerd? Oh, wait, I'm the one commenting on this...shit!

    11. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The model of the Discovery (think thats what it was called ) was 54 feet....

      ok, im a geek

    12. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by Ravenger · · Score: 1

      AFAIK the model still exists. On the Directors Cut Star Trek: The Motion Picture DVD, there's a section showing how they added new CGI sequences into the film. (Actually they weren't strictly 'new' - they had been storyboarded for the original release, but there was no time to shoot them). These sequences were designed to be seamless, so you couldn't tell the difference from an original effects shot to one of the new ones. So they had the actual Enterprise model from the films shipped to the CGI studio so the CGI artists could model it exactly. When they weren't sure of the exact dimensions of a part of the ship they could simply walk over to the model measure it. There are several shots of them unpacking the model from the storage crate, and it still looks stunning. I also remember hearing that after one of the Star Trek films the model wasn't packed properly, and when they took the model out for the next film all the lovely laquered paintwork was peeling off, so it had to be re-painted and re-laquered.

    13. Re:Trek Models in Drydock? by cerebralsugar · · Score: 1

      I thought that the original 1701 was permanantly on display at the smithsonian giftshop?

      Could this one here be a reproduction? Or perhaps the one greg jein built for that DS9 episode (i forget the name)....

      PS - Next Generation effects (at least of capital ships),were not CGI. They were model shots on film, then transferred to video for compositing.

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  4. Sponsored the Plane Flight by artlu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe this has to do with Paul Allen sponsoring the space flight. He seems to be spending a lot of money these days like most really rich people.. maybe he would be interested in throwing some my way for GroupShares Inc... but then again it is Microsoft money.
    Aj

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  5. Brin, Butler, others on NPR Friday 6/18 by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ira Flatow's "Science Friday" will broadcast from the museum on Friday 6/18.

    Paul Allen, David Brin, Octavia Butler and others will be interviewed in the first hour.

    The second hour will be about Mars, factual and science fictional.

    Here is NPR's information page:

    http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2004/Jun/hour1_ 061804.html

    Stefan Jones

    1. Re:Brin, Butler, others on NPR Friday 6/18 by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1
      thanks for the info. I don't usually catch Science Friday unless i hear about the topic beforehand.

      I'm a big Octavia Butler fan. I'm curious as to what she's been up to lately.

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  6. He will never match... by aka-ed · · Score: 1
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  7. As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by BluedemonX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How soon can I expect to see sales taxes in Washington State go up to pay for this useless monstrosity?

    I find it highly ironic that although the man has more money than God, Paul Allen still manages to convince the State to pass on the cost of his narcissistic pet projects on to the rest of us.

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    1. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you on the stadium thing, I think he foot the bill for this one. I am happy he did.

      And if you want to live in a city devoid of any culture I am sure we could look hard enough and find one. Detroit?

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    2. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 1

      I ALWAYS miss the subjects when there aren't very many posts.

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    3. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Comte · · Score: 1

      I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.

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    4. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by ainsoph · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for the streetcar.

      As someone who works along the Streetcar route, I have watched his Vulcan Ventures people come in and bribe all the businesses along the way.

      He is a work of art...

    5. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      RE: I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.

      I think what you mean to say is, I think this time, we're off the hook, as SFAIK, there isn't any public sector investment in SFM.... YET.

      By the way, if you want to refer to NFL football and a bunch of plastic toys from a nerd garage sale as "culture" go right ahead. And people from this area wonder why people don't think of the Pacific Northwest as cultured. Here's a hint. Wear a CLEAN flannel lumberjack shirt to the opera.

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    6. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be one of those whiners who only makes it to the city for WTO protests.

      Fuck you. I spent a very enjoyable day in EMP (and could have spent longer if my GF wasn't telling me to hurry) when I visited Seattle. Everywhere has museums about stuff I learned in school anyway. Only Seattle has museums devoted to popular music and sci fi.

      What it cost in sales tax it easily recovers in tourism dollars.

    7. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Comte · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, we got culture here in the Upper Left Hand! World-class symphony orchestras, opera companies, and Asian Art museums, plus more live theatre than you can shake a rain-sodden stick at.

      None of which have any connection to Paul Allen, BTW.

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    8. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give the man a break. He funded pretty much all of these two projects. He also gave the UW a new CSE building, which the State would have had to fund on it's own.

      And I'm sorry to hear live in that suburban hell that surrounds Seattle.

    9. Re:As someone who lives NEAR Seattle by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      First off, I did NOT attend the WTO protest. I moved to the Seattle area AFTER that happened.

      I split my time between Redmond, Renton, Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, and Kirkland. I go where I want when I want. But I'm damned if I'm going to watch sales taxes go up AGAIN so that Paul Allen can charge more of his fantasy life to the public ticket. You don't live here, so allow me to pour you a non-fat, grande shut the hell up. You may not be aware of this, but Paul Allen wanted a new stadium for the Seahawks. They put it to a vote. It was voted down. They put it to a vote AGAIN, it was voted down. So Allen pulled some strings and got the stadium paid for by the public, ANYWAY.

      EMP is a money losing eyesore, and him putting his collection of sci-fi nerd crap in another part of the building isn't going to help. Nobody wants to spend $20 to walk into an eyesore and see a pile of old clothing. I don't care if it was worn by Jimi Hendrix, it's still a T-shirt. I don't care if the water bottle in the next display case was sipped on by Bill Shatner before doing that scene where he does the double overhand punch to the back of the other guy's neck and then sex0rs the alien princess.

      Next time you want to enjoy the Seattle area, go check out Capitol Hill, the Fremont area, get yourself a Utilikilt in lower Queen Anne and check out both the Tacoma Art Museum and the Olympia main strip. If you want to fly in somewhere just to go to some overpriced monument to someone's ego, go to it.

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  8. Where's the Kzinti by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't believe that there's nothing on Pohl Anderson, Ringworld or Kzinti. This is the best escape SiFi ever written. It must be fixed.

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    1. Re:Where's the Kzinti by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      I've never read "Escape from Pohl Anderson." Is he a terrific bore at parties or something?

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    2. Re:Where's the Kzinti by GileadGreene · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, you seem a little confused on names. Do you mean Frederik Pohl, or Poul Anderson (both quite distinctly different authors)? Or were you really trying to name Larry Niven - the guy who wrote Ringworld and the Known Space stuff (including the Man-Kzin wars) - and just totally confused about who authored what?

    3. Re:Where's the Kzinti by Bilestoad · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of his work!

    4. Re:Where's the Kzinti by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

      I really meant Larry Niven. I don't know why I was thinking about Poul Anderson, except that he's good as well and not mentioned.

      To further the error, I googled "Pohl Anderson", got a zillion hits and assumed I spelled it right.

      Alas, what's a karma whore to do?

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    5. Re:Where's the Kzinti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, there's a really neat list of Poul Anderson's handwritten notes on story ideas on display. The guy had a zillion of them.

    6. Re:Where's the Kzinti by omnifunctional · · Score: 1

      I was at the preview, and there are a LOT of novels and short stories represented in the exhibits. Not all of the authors made the hall of fame yet, but I am sure they will induct new people every year. I did see a first edition of Ringworld in one case (can't remember which one).

    7. Re:Where's the Kzinti by Grab · · Score: 1

      Actually, Poul Anderson did write a few Man-Kzin Wars stories. Niven let a lot of ppl in to play in his universe. Which is just as well, since it means there's Man-Kzin-based stories which aren't erotic furries. "Ringworld Throne" - eep! I don't want to speculate too much about Niven's private life, but I think he should be kept well clear of any cats/dogs/sheep...

      Grab.

  9. No. 9? by lukateake · · Score: 1

    What movie is picture No. 9 from?

    1. Re:No. 9? by filmguru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um... are you putting me on?

      If you're refering to the pics in the seattlepi.com site, number nine is the car from the film Blade Runner (as it clearly states in the caption to the right).

    2. Re:No. 9? by Naut · · Score: 1

      Plan 9 from outerspace , think it was from ed wood .

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      i have no sig
  10. No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by spectecjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doctor Who - the longest running Sci Fi series ever.

    Farscape - possibly one of the best Sci Fi series ever.

    And NEITHER are represented in the museum, it seems.

    What kind of crack are they smoking?

    Oh right - silly me - if it ain't Robby the Effing Robot or Captain Kirk and Baldy Picard, it ain't Sci Fi.

    --
    Coming soon - pyrogyra
    1. Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by Comte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, Moya DOES appear in the "Space Dock" exhibit, and there are a couple of minor references to "Doctor Who" scattered throughout, but again the emphasis on U.S. s/f may simply be due to (as I stated in an earlier post) issues with licensing rights, or because memorabilia from these series aren't readily available. After all, it doesn't matter how much $$ Allen has, if there aren't items to be purchased, even he can't do much about it.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
    2. Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moya is in SpaceDock and so is the Nostromo from the first Alien. Watching the Moya footage has inspired me to chack out Farscape.

    3. Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by Comte · · Score: 1

      I don't remember seeing "Nostromo", but then I did have the relatively minor distinction of being the first person to "crash" one of the Museum's consoles while I was scrolling through the Dock, so perhaps I just didn't get far enough into it!

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
    4. Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by Grab · · Score: 1

      No Doctor Who merchandise/memorabilia/props? Shurely shome mishtake...

      More likely, perhaps, is that all the Doctor Who stuff has already been bought by fans, and Allen couldn't be bothered asking anyone for it.

      Grab.

    5. Re:No Doctor Who? No Farscape? by Watcher · · Score: 1

      I know there are several Doctor Who collectors over here in the states, and just last year Ian Levine (super fan) was selling some of his props. That included at least one cyberman helmet. I seriously doubt Allen would have any trouble at all buying or getting on loan anything Who related he wanted. Whether he could get permission from the BBC to display it is another matter entirely, although I've no doubt he could work that out if he really wanted to.

  11. Who needs a sneek peek? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I just need to imagine hundreds of CowboyNeal lookalikes snorting and making Prof. Frink noises and i'm halfway there.

    1. Re:Who needs a sneek peek? by Comte · · Score: 1

      Actually, think more along the lines of lots of Harry Knowles and Mary Katherine Gallagher clones, convention costume fetishists, and a surprisingly large number of elderly Richard Attenborough lookalikes, and you'd be even closer to the truth!

      And NO, I don't fit into ANY of those categories!

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
  12. Allen == Alien - g33k s934k?? by Skiron · · Score: 1
  13. OH DEAR GOD! by clandaith · · Score: 5, Funny

    They took the action figures out of their original packaging!?!?!?!

    1. Re:OH DEAR GOD! by Comte · · Score: 1

      But of course, that just increases the value of the action figures IOP that Paul STILL owns!

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
    2. Re:OH DEAR GOD! by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A friend of mine who knows my fondness for 1950s and 60s Italian racing cars recently showed up at my door bearing gifts, two Hot Wheels cars, a 1961 Ferrari 156 F1 and a 1967 Ferrari P4, that he just happened to see while grocery shopping and thought I'd like them.

      "Kewl!", says I, and start to open them.

      "What are you doing!?", says he.

      "Ummmmmmm, I'm opening them?", I respond.

      "What for?", he asks with a slightly incredulous look on his face.

      "So I can spend the next hour or two pushing them around my desk while making 'Vroom, vroom' noises with a big smile on my face. Thank you. You made today worth living."

      I'm still not sure he gets it.

      KFG

    3. Re:OH DEAR GOD! by blackmonday · · Score: 1

      True story, one of my friends makes a fortune re-packaging star wars figures into custom boxes that are similar to when the action figures were still hanging out at Kmart. He doesn't pass them off as originals, part of the value is to have a different package on your figure. I don't get it, but he was getting 300 bucks a pop for these things. It's very difficult to find the clear plastic to glue to the cardboard.

  14. Dupe Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I I Smell Smell A A Dupe Dupe

  15. Stevecutus of borg! by brainchill · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want to see a Stevecutus of borg exhibit! Resistance is FUTILE!@%#

  16. paul's bank account by meatbridge · · Score: 1

    i know this guy is rich, but can he afford to keep throwing away money?

    1. Re:paul's bank account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

      He could afford to build a castle out of 90-carrat friggin diamonds, with gold engraving, and 100 dollar bills for toilet paper.

      But he still have the same amount of gluttony as his ex-worker Mr. Gates. And will start up a project if he thinks he can get an extra buck or two.

    2. Re:paul's bank account by kfg · · Score: 1

      "A man who has a million dollars is as well off as if he were rich." -John Jacob Astor, circa 1825

      Please adjust for inflation.

      I'm not sure you apprehend the true meaning of the word "rich."

      KFG

    3. Re:paul's bank account by sinkywinky · · Score: 1

      Net Worth: $30.4 bil
      So yes, he can afford to keep throwing money away.

    4. Re:paul's bank account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are both pitiable and mistaken - contractions in the English language are purely optional, and in written communication are usually not the preferred form. English is what you pretend to speak, isn't it (is it not)?

      Now hurry along and register your new discovery, "vitirol". If you could make some money you might lose some of that crippling envy.

    5. Re:paul's bank account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You may have won the grammer-war, but I leave you with this parting shot (from a fortune cookie, no less):

      Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause

      Until next time, anon

    6. Re:paul's bank account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I leave you with this one - grammAr, not grammEr. Sheesh!

      And the weak cause would be your education - I can't argue with you there.

  17. Yet another Allen project by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That will no doubt go bankrupt on investors eventually. Wish I could form limited liability companies as quickly as that guy does.

    --
    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    1. Re:Yet another Allen project by Politicus · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Which will undoubtedly save him money on income taxes. Can't think of a better way to rip off the public while appearing like a philanthropist.

      For other schemes, check out Perfectly Legal by David Cay Johnston. The catch? Level of wealth required is not available to 99% of Americans.

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      Politicus
    2. Re:Yet another Allen project by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1
      Yet another Allen project...

      Would that be.... "The Allen Parsons Project!"
      BA-pam! BAA-pam!!

      Perhaps?

    3. Re:Yet another Allen project by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      An excerpt from the book Perfectly Legal on the website (link goes directly to the PDF file) should be read by anybody who thinks they can have FREEDOM under CORPORATISM- and exactly why it's impossible for most people to come out with any sort of financial freedom.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    4. Re:Yet another Allen project by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking less humorous and more factual:

      1. Oregon Arenas Incorporated- owned by Paul Allen, recently went bankrupt leaving bond holders on the Rose Garden in the lurch to the tune of $13 Million.
      2. Trail Blazers- an NBA team on the verge of bankruptcy due to valuing talent over team morale and customer loyalty
      3. Mentor Graphics- moving jobs offshore quickly in an effort to stay afloat.

      And that's just the ones I'm aware of, I'm sure there are others.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    5. Re:Yet another Allen project by jhylkema · · Score: 1

      You forgot that the public is going to be on the hook to fix the PoS stadium he built. How about the raping of the South Lake Union neighborhood? That's right - when he was unsuccessful in bulldozing it to turn it into a homeless encampment^W^Wpark, he's just going to kick out all the small businesses there for some biotech pipedream. Oh, and how about the home of the SFM? That would be the eyesore right underneath the Space Needle known as EMP.

    6. Re:Yet another Allen project by adpowers · · Score: 1

      Eyesore? Whatever, you're on crack.

    7. Re:Yet another Allen project by Comte · · Score: 1

      Well, as a S Lake Union resident for the past 4 years, I'm actually pretty excited about Allen's plans for the neighborhood, especially when given that the local community council is riding hard on his a** to make sure that the area retains much of its mixed use character. Already, we've got retail, restaurants, arts organizations, park redevelopment, etc. moving into the area, turning what was once a scattering of underutilized industrial concerns into a burgeoning actual neighborhood.

      As a matter of practicality, the small-scale industrial operations that were the heart of SLU/Cascadia for much of the past century have been on the decline for decades, long before Allen started buying up property for The Commons project, so, it's not ALL his fault. The industrial infrastructure began disappearing as far back as the 1960's, when Burlington Northern stopped using their railroad spur around SLU, prompted in large part because the shipbuilding, heavy manufacturing and support industries that depended on rail access had been on the decline since the end of WW-II. And given the incredible growth of high density housing and office construction creeping up through the Denny Regrade from downtown, and the gradual gentrification of the area around Lake Union, the types of small manufacturing businesses that existed there in the past just aren't compatible with changing uses for the area.

      Frankly, the potential of the neighborhood for mixed use residential/commercial/biotech is enormous, and given that it's is one of the last underutilized parcels of land still left in the vicinity of the downtown core (the other being SODO), it's really not surprising that eventually someone would come along with the vision and means to transform it into something completely different; it was really only a matter of time.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
  18. RTFC by amstrad · · Score: 1

    You mean this picture #9?

    The one with the caption that reads "The Spinner flying car from the movie "Blade Runner" (1982) hangs in the third-floor special events area."?

  19. I'm having unit troubles here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paul Allen's $22 mm Science Fiction Museum

    So did it cost him $22 and is on a millimeter scale?

  20. offtopic, mod parent down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, to save time and replies, you would do the exact opposite and not post this completely off-topic shit.

    "Hey, the next Microsoft story that pops up, I think I'll post a whole load of 'Yo mommas so fat...' jokes, since Microsoft is in America, and Americans are so damn fat."...

    Funny; maybe,
    Offtopic; definitely.

  21. Allen is a Lucas hater! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even a sidelong mention of Star Wars? They better let me sit in the cockpit of the Falcon, or there'll be hell to pay! Chewie! Set 271!

    1. Re:Allen is a Lucas hater! by capt.mellow · · Score: 1

      at http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ there's evidence that the museum includes at least the Yoda puppet, a collection of action figures, and some SW posters.

    2. Re:Allen is a Lucas hater! by Comte · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, there's a fair amount of SW refences: an X-Wing fighter, the "Millenium Falcon" and a Star Destroyer in the "Space Dock"; interviews with Lucas in several of the video sgements; an R2-D2 model in the "Robots" section; one of Darth Vader's masks -- and that's just what I can recall off the top of my head.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
  22. Why no photography? by istewart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I notice that this new museum doesn't allow visitors to photograph the exhibits, much like Allen's Heritage Flight Museum or whatever the hell it's called that has a lot of vintage aircraft. This gives me the impression that Allen's being just a little vain with something he's ostenstibly putting on public display... and perhaps perpetuating the intellectual-property protection mantra of his old pals at Microsoft. Can anybody here give a valid reason for prohibiting photography?

    1. Re:Why no photography? by Azrael+Newtype · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it obvious? The more you come back, the more he can shaft you for at the inevitable gift shop.

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      I'm always right and I can prove it, because to the best of my knowledge, I've never been wrong.
    2. Re:Why no photography? by bandy · · Score: 1

      Ever been to an event where they announce "no flash photography", especially when they say it's for the performer's safety...and then during the event, the flashes go off? That's likely because there are too many idjits who don't know how to use their cameras.

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      "You might as well get your son a ticket to hell as give him a five string banjo." -unknown minister
    3. Re:Why no photography? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Flashes are very hard on the exhibits. They'll bleach out things faster than sunshine.

      And as another poster pointed out, too many cameras have stupid users and will flash whenever photographs are taken in dim light. Disposable cams don't even have a switch to disable the flash. It's easier to just prohibit photography altogether.

      [S]

    4. Re:Why no photography? by aka-ed · · Score: 1
      Best reason I can think of is, for $22 million, it may seem more than a little dinky.

      And, while everyone is complaining about the grave ommissions, here's mine:

      The greatest time-travel series ever made. Imogene Coca as Shad. Joe E. Ross as Gronk. Mike Mazursky as Clon.

      One blessed season. The end of which leaves me, still, unconsolable.

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      I survived the Dick Cheney Presidency 7 to 9 AM 7-21-07
    5. Re:Why no photography? by sakshale · · Score: 1

      I also suspect there may be licensing issues with some of the exhibits... Just a suspicion mind you... no one would actually do such a thing... Would they? [grin, duck, run like h...]

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      For every problem there is a solution that is simple, obvious and wrong.
    6. Re:Why no photography? by justforaday · · Score: 1

      Because when everyone sees pics posted online of just how lame the museum is, they won't want to bother going there themselves... [I keeeed....well, sort of...]

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      I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
    7. Re:Why no photography? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      I also suspect there may be licensing issues with some of the exhibits...

      What possible licensing issues could prevent someone from taking a photo of something? People imagine that IP laws are even more draconian than they are.

      Most museums ban photography because of the annoyance and possible damage from flashes, and because they sell postcards, books, etc in their giftshops. Art museums don't want people to use a photo to sell prints of their art, though if the art is old (out of copyright) and you can get a photo somehow I don't think they can stop that.

    8. Re:Why no photography? by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      The more you come back, the more he can shaft you for at the inevitable gift shop.

      You're almost right. The reason that many museums, churches, etc forbid photography is that it cuts into postcard and poster sales.

      It's a funny balancing act; make the museum unfriendly to photographers and you discourage them from visiting again, after all you can't photograph a whole museum in a day, maybe a better business model is to be photo-friendly and make your money on photographers coming back to complete shoots.

    9. Re:Why no photography? by sakshale · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. It was the '...sell postcards, books, etc in their giftshops." that I was thinking about.

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      For every problem there is a solution that is simple, obvious and wrong.
  23. Keep talking about the rain please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, right, it rains a lot... raining right now even.. inside!

    Actually, its a beautiful day, as it will be all week. And the mountain is out in all her glory. We tell people it rains a lot so you all will stay the heck where you are! The real Seattle is our own little secret. So please! Keep talking about the rain!

  24. Is it built... by CelticLo · · Score: 0

    ...out of old AOL discs?

  25. Interesting architecture in Seattle by blamanj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The MS millionaires are making Seattle an interesting-looking place. In addition to the Gehry-designed rock museum, they just opened a very cool new public library.

    1. Re:Interesting architecture in Seattle by cheesy9999 · · Score: 1

      I went to the new library last week...pretty cool...very confusing. I was lost pretty much the whole time.

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      -tom
    2. Re:Interesting architecture in Seattle by craigtay · · Score: 1

      I checked out the library soon after opening. It was huge, and also sports free WiFi!!!

  26. Ah... by Digitus1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Joy of Making Love to Steve Allen. (See also: The Joy of a Naked Steven Allen and The Joy of Cooking Steven Allen

  27. Re:Where's the Kzinti ? by JustAnotherReader · · Score: 1
    I can't believe that there's nothing on Pohl Anderson, Ringworld or Kzinti. This is the best escape SiFi ever written. It must be fixed.

    This was close to my thought. In my mind, Science Fiction is a WRITTEN art form. But I guess a museum of books would be called a "library", not a museum.

    But imagine a set of displays that shows common Sci Fi themes from the point of view of various authors. Or perhaps a display showing what sci-fi predictions have (or havn't) come true. Yes, it's difficult demonstrate thoughts from a set of books that your audience may or may not have read. But Science Fiction is so much more then Start Trek, Aliens, and Terminator.

  28. Pretty Disappointing by klausner · · Score: 1

    I was one of the few that got to attend the preview last night, and was mostly disappointed. See detailed review here.

    1. Re:Pretty Disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was one of the few that got to attend the preview last night, and was mostly disappointed. See detailed review here.

      I attended Richard Stallman & Linus Torvald's new Open Source Sci-fi Museum & it was far better. I was allowed to photograph everything & I was also allowed to contribute. I contributed a alien mask I made when I was a kid.

  29. Not everything in the museum is Paul Allen's: by Artifex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before the opening, the museum's website had information on lending props and other materials to the museum. I suspect that a lot of the rotating "stock" will be moved in and out as people lend, then want their artifacts back.

    I looked at this museum a while back, in fact, because I was considering lending out props I have from Battlestar Galactica, but as you can see, I decided not to do so, because I was concerned about their safety.

    (If anyone else goes to the museum, I'd like to know if there's a BG section, and what it's like, etc.)

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    Get off my launchpad!
    1. Re:Not everything in the museum is Paul Allen's: by Comte · · Score: 1

      The only BG ref I can recall is a Cylon Centurion suit in the "Robot" section - no "Galactica" in the Space Dock - and I don't recall even seeing a passing ref in any of the video footage.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
    2. Re:Not everything in the museum is Paul Allen's: by Artifex · · Score: 1
      The only BG ref I can recall is a Cylon Centurion suit in the "Robot" section - no "Galactica" in the Space Dock - and I don't recall even seeing a passing ref in any of the video footage.


      That's pathetic. The series cost around a million dollars an episode to make, absolutely unheard of for that time, and it's reduced to a chrome suit with a sweeping light in the helmet.

      I wonder if there was a little button on the base: "press here to hear the Cylon speak!" Ooooh!

      --
      Get off my launchpad!
  30. The scientific case for prohibiting photography by westendgirl · · Score: 4, Informative
    Many museums ban photography. In some cases, intellectual property may be at stake. However, many museums have banned photography because flash lights damage artefacts.

    In this MP3 clip on flash photography's effect on art, CBC Radio's Quirks & Quarks interviews Dr. Tito Scaiano, professor of chemistry at the University of Ottawa.

    Artefacts absorb light, and thus molecules. The molecules convert the energy to heat, but sometimes a molecule changes chemical structure, resulting in a visible change. When a photo is absorbed, it pushes the molecule to a higher energy state that breaks the bond. In other cases, it promotes oxidization. Organic pigments are more sensitive than inorganic pigments (which are already fairly oxidized). In other words, flash photography can lead to deterioration of an artefact, not to mention changes to the pigment.

    Although aircraft may not be as sensitive as the Mona Lisa, it's still possible that flash photography could damage the artefact. An art student told me that his professor confided that one flash was equivalent to three days of natural light. I don't know if that's entirely true, but I've heard the warning repeated.

    Although some people might not use flashes, even a small percentage of wrong-doers could eventually ruin an artefact. For example, when I saw the Mona Lisa, about 30% of the crowd was taking flash photos. The Mona Lisa is behind 3 inches of plexiglass, but the flashes do take their toll.

    The Straight Dope also answers a question about flash photography's damage to art.

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    -- SYS 64738 --

    1. Re:The scientific case for prohibiting photography by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      In other words, flash photography can lead to deterioration of an artefact, not to mention changes to the pigment.

      But I've visited places where they didn't want you to photograph the stained glass windows! Sacreligious, some might say? Sure, says I, just point me to "thou shalt not photograph in the house of the Lord" in the Bible.

      Banning flashes, OK, no problem. In the V&A, there are exhibits in near dark rooms, they're so worried about light damage to priceless art. But banning photography outright is purely a revenue protection measure for postcards and posters.

  31. Re:Where's the Kzinti ? by Comte · · Score: 1

    "Or perhaps a display showing what sci-fi predictions have (or havn't) come true" -- this in fact is the point of the "Not So Weird Science" exhibit, in addition to a smaller exhibit I failed to mention, "Science Fiction And Society", which explores how s/f examines and shapes our lives.

    And I should point out that the upper section of the Museum is VERY literature oriented.

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    "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
  32. Enterprise-A by istewart · · Score: 1

    Is the one on exhibit the fullsize, original filming model as detailed here? If so, I'm somewhat sad that it's in Paul Allen's hands... someday I'll have to make him an offer he can't refuse. :)

    1. Re:Enterprise-A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Enterprise on exhibit is actually the one from the original television series. There's also Kirk's chair, a control panel, and two tunics, all original.

    2. Re:Enterprise-A by Comte · · Score: 1

      There are actually two TOS shooting models; one of the eight footers and a smaller, 12 - 14 inch model (which looks suspitiously like an AMT kit), purportedly used in the opening "flyby" credit sequence. I have my doubts about the authenticity of this one, as I was always under the impression that the model used for this sequence was considerably smaller, unless people who were there are really losing it.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
  33. Nerd Trap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I'm busted. Thrice.

    I laughed uproariously (muggles/mundanes couldn't grasp the hilarity of the statement) when I first saw it on the Simpsons(1),
    I "got it" instantly when I read your ontopic and funny post(2),
    and now I'm replying to you on /.(3).

    Good job.

  34. Paul Allen's political donations... by Jesus_McNazareth · · Score: 0
    donation list

    (the records from the dude at Holland America are obviously not from the real Paul Allen)

  35. Re:No duh. by spectecjr · · Score: 1

    Allow me to help you out. It's a Science Fiction Museum, not a sci-fi musueum.

    There is a difference, glaringly apparent to SF fen, yet imperceptible to those who nurse at the Glass Teat.


    Ah yes. That difference is apparently that there are people who are not pedantically attached to unabbreviated words - such as me, who call it "SciFi" - and there are people who ARE pedantically attached to unabbreviated words, who also deride television as being a "Glass Teat". One wonders if they've ever sucked on a real teat to make the comparison. (Probably not).

    You were correct in your assessment of Star Trek as sci-fi. It sure as hell ain't Science Fiction, which is a form of literature.


    Science Fiction is NOT a form of literature. It's a genre of storytelling. Literature is only one single form of storytelling.

    The Science Fiction museum, for example, features Robocop, Aliens, Terminators.... which certainly don't fit into your narrow worldview of what Sci Fi is.

    By the way, anyone who calls themselves "fen", or calls others "mundanes", or who writes "filk" deserves to be taken out into the "forbidden zone", and disemboweled slowly using Ambrose Bierce's dictionary.

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    Coming soon - pyrogyra
  36. No kidding!! by ashitaka · · Score: 1

    I'm sitting in Vancouver, BC and I can see the Olympic mountain range.

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    If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
    1. Re:No kidding!! by gr0kCalvin · · Score: 1

      I'm sitting in Seattle and I can see Rainer. I'm a Northwest boy born and raised, and there has been rather extreme climate changes around here in the last 10 years. The Sci-Fi museum looks awesome, can't wait to go. I was at the EMP for folklife (free gathering at the Seattle Center) and they were putting the finishing touches on it. I think that's why we got the Nebula awards this year (Harlen Ellison AND Neil Stephenson...bad ass!) cl

  37. i went there by adpowers · · Score: 4, Informative

    I went to the grand opening sneak peak thing last night. I'll add a few comments.

    First of all, like the Experience Music Project next door, there was a ton of memorabilia. It had everything from one of Darth Vader's mask (one used by a stunt man), to the Cricket from Men in Black, to a gun from Galaxy Quest, to original Star Trek stories (written on by Nichelle Nichols), to a poster about the Babel fish.

    The museum was linear and seemed to flow well from one section to the other. However, that means there doesn't seem like much room for expansion, as the musuem is sort of small. At EMP next door, they have lots of different sections where they can have permanent exhibits (like Northwest passage which has never changed), semi-permanent exhibits (ones that last for years at a time), and traveling exhibits (ones that last for a few months, like the recent Disco exhibit). At the SciFi museum, there didn't appear to be any room for traveling exhibits, which is unfortunate. Upstairs they had had a stage area with refreshments. I guess this will be used for guest speakers and presentations later on.

    The tech was really neat, however. In the first section, as the poster mentioned, there is a large globe with video on it. It goes through a rotation of clips from movies, to quotes over a starry background, to a projection of planets. It was impressive how seemless it was, considering the video came from four projectors surrounding it.

    The space dock was interesting. In front of you is a huge screen with the different ships flying around (like the Planet Express from Futurama). There are touch screens for individuals to use where you can look up ships stats and watch a video clip about it. If I remember correctly, the screen was sort of 3D. It had a background video screen layer and then another clear layer in front of that. It wasn't quite 3D, because it only had two layers. I didn't flip through all the ships, so I can't comment on the size of the catalog.

    The next cool tech thing was a small globe with touch screen in front of it. You click on one of the six planets you want to see (Hoth, the one from Dune, Solaris, and some others). It plays videos on the screen, then turns the globe in front of you into that planet using projectors. It was pretty neat, but the voice talking about the planet was a little hard to hear.

    Finally was the cityscape thing, which was disappointing. Like the poster mentioned, it only contained three cityscapes. It has a lot of potential if they add more, but it is just isn't there yet. The ones they did do turned out pretty well, though. There a lot of little details to look at and it gives you an idea of the city.

    Overall it was pretty neat, but didn't seem to have that much of a 'replay' value. I wish they had room for temporary exhibits, because those would increase the value of a membership. However, this provides a good place for guest speakers. I believe this friday there is going to be a talk on the physics of Star Trek.

    Oh, something I forgot to mention, in the first section they had a history of fandom, which was interesting. They showed a lot of original fanzines and letters exchanged between fans. A lot of the original fans later turned into writers themselves.

    Overall, I think it had a good range of SciFi from the beginning (Frankenstein) to the present. It was a little small, though. The tech parts of the show were impressive, but could probably use some more content.

    Well, that is my review. I didn't proofread, so don't be a grammar Nazi.

    Andrew

  38. Nostromo from Alien appears in Space Dock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a ship from the Alien franchise in the Space Dock--the Nostromo. My favorite though is the Rama ship, just slowly rotating in the corner....

  39. What's the bug on the Space Needle??? by markana · · Score: 1

    There's a *huge* inflatable green thing on top of the Space Needle today. It looks like it has multiple eyes, and tentacles (looks like somebody's been reading that dodgy Japanese stuff again...)

    I assume it's a promo for the museum, since *that's* a stone's throw from the base of the Needle... (Hmmm...there's an idea...:-)

    Bad day for giant baloon creatures - it's a bit windy out. I'm kind of hoping it breaks loose and heads for the suburbs - I can make a Toho-style monster movie cheap!

    1. Re:What's the bug on the Space Needle??? by polansky · · Score: 1

      Umm... I read this article earlier. I just got home and looked at the space needle and thought what the fuck is that on it. Then I thought back to this article. Funny that I come to slashdot to find out what's on the space needle. No other local news websites had any info (nor did google news).

      Thanks for the confirmation.

  40. $22 mm?? by Millyways · · Score: 1

    What is twenty two millimeter dollars?

    1. Re:$22 mm?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is twenty two millimeter dollars?

      Two point two (2.2) centimeter dollars, or...
      One shekel and three tuppence.

  41. Seems like a good initial effort. by geekwench · · Score: 1
    I went and browsed the museum website. Unless I'm grossly misinterpreting, it seems as though more exhibits are going to be added and switched out as the collection grows.

    I'm glad to see that someone has undertaken the task of creating a museum setting for so much of this memorabilia. (Even if it is a vanity effort.) Many early films are known only from their titles and a few salvaged props -- the films themselves have degraded into cellulose dust. I find it sad that so much of the early history of cinema has been lost entirely; especially since so many of the first science fiction films were delightful works of whimsy. (See IMDB and Filmsite for their descriptions of Georges Méliès "A Trip to the Moon".)
    Hmm. I wonder if any of the props for that one survived. If so, I hope that they'll show up at Mr. Allen's Museum someday.

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  42. Re:No duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YBHT.

    YHL.

    HAND.

    ps. I've had more tail than the SPCA, whereas you, the TV-addicted film-geek, beat your dick like it owes you money.

  43. Isn't "Sci Fi" considered condescending? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually see it referred to SF (which can also stand for "speculative fiction") and the Sci Fi term derisively pronounced "Skiffy."

    Of course, I run with wild bunch of hard-core SF fanatics, so maybe the rest of the planet doesn't think the same way :)

  44. The Paul Allen problem by Animats · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Paul Allen was, of course, one of the original Microsoft people. Gates had the sense to get him out of there before he screwed it up. Since then, there have been a long string of Paul Allen companies, almost none of them successful. Some of them were successful before Allen acquired them.

    I would have though he couldn't screw up a science fiction museum, but apparently he did. Then again, he owns two sports teams, both of which he screwed up.

    1. Re:The Paul Allen problem by sabernet · · Score: 1

      I'm still bitter about this[techtv] screw up:(
      Apparently, an intelligent network about tech was something a microsoft shareholder certainly doesn't want:(

  45. Buy a clue Paul... by Alomex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Paul Allen doesn't get it. Museums have exhibits of objects made on a visual medium, like paintings and sculptures. How exactly is a museum setting appropriate for a music collection for Jimmy Hendrix? who wants to see a twenty feet high pile of electric guitars, all of which look pretty much like the other, but they just so happen to have been owned at some point in time by oldie band X?

    Not content with all the EMP fiasco now he brings us a museum of science fiction! Not a library or a cinematheque of science fiction but a museum!

    I know people like to say Allen was the smart one and Gates was not, but so far the record goes the other way. I take Bill's purchase of the Leonardo da Vinci documents over the EMP any time.

    1. Re:Buy a clue Paul... by westendgirl · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of people willing to pay $11 for a burder at Planet Hollywood or Hard Rock Cafe. I have seen Battlestar Galactica items at a Planet Hollywood.

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    2. Re:Buy a clue Paul... by Jonathan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Paul Allen doesn't get it. Museums have exhibits of objects made on a visual medium, like paintings and sculptures. How exactly is a museum setting appropriate for a music collection for Jimmy Hendrix? who wants to see a twenty feet high pile of electric guitars, all of which look pretty much like the other, but they just so happen to have been owned at some point in time by oldie band X?

      It sounds like your definition of a "museum" has to be an art museum. Personally, I find art museums dull -- after I've seen one or two paintings, I want to leave -- they just get repetitive. Oh look a landscape! And another one! And another one!

      To me, the more interesting type of museum is the "historical artifact" type of museum -- to see in person Thomas Jefferson's desk or Galileo's telescope (and even his preserved finger! Really! I'm not making that up! Those wacky Italians!) really puts me in touch with history. While I agree that Jimmy Hendrix or Yoda may not be in the same league as Jefferson or Galileo, to devoted fans I they might seem so.

    3. Re:Buy a clue Paul... by Alomex · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your definition of a "museum" has to be an art museum.

      Not at all. My definition of museum is those things that are best displayed in large halls, whatever they are. For example, interactive science displays often work out well in this setting. But guess what Sherlock? A music "exhibition" works out best in a "jazz cafe"-like setting than in a "Louvre"-like EMP setting. You really have to be there to realize how dull it is to see jacket upon jacket of Jimmy Hendrix albums when what you really want to do is listen to his music.

  46. Glad to see the integration of the literature by geekotourist · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As an SF fan, I'm often slightly annoyed ("slightly" because I've become used to it) at the ignorance (1) of the differences between written and media SF as shown by pop culture writers and reviewers. The media coverage given to the museum will reduce this ignorance by some amount- however marginal- that's good.

    Most media SF is 30-40 years behind written SF, both in topics and style. Few current SF movie or TV shows show concepts that weren't already old-hat in the 1970's SF literature. This museum doesn't seem to be afraid of gently pointing this out. As many board members are SF writers I could guess how they'd push giving credit where it is due. Of course the movies have had much more influence in terms of numbers of people seeing them (I read a calculation saying 23 of the top 25 movies by popularity have been SF/fantasy).

    But for influence on science and technology- the books and stories have done quite a lot more. For one example, I like a quote that Cory Doctorow (who does fine post-singularity writing) has on Neuromancer:

    "Neuromancer didn't predict the future. Neuromancer *created* the future. If you would understand the past twenty years' technological advance and retreat, this book is required reading. I re-read it every year, just to get an edge on the year that's coming, and to glory in Gibson's prose and cunning artifice."
    I think Heinlein created more engineers than Sputnik did.

    (1) When talking about SF topics, pop writers can get away with a show of ignorance that wouldn't work for many other genres. How many reviewers compare a movie to anything more than other movies and/or "the Time Machine, F451, Ray Bradbury, Star Wars, the Matrix [and if they've done extra research] P.K.Dick"? That'd be like mystery reviewers starting with A.C. Doyle and ending with Agatha Christie. How many reviews of books like "Prey," "Oryx and Crake," "Children of Men" or "Fatherland" mention anything about similar SF books (books written in some cases decades before) and instead talk about how original the popular author's idea is? (For example CoM published in the early 90's, vs Greybeard published in the early 60's. Many reviews of the former didn't mention the latter.)

  47. Frank Herbert... by jcoleman · · Score: 1

    ...is not part of the "Hall of Fame." It's embarrassing if you ask me.

  48. Where's PKD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot believe that Philip K. Dick is not a member of the Hall of Fame. What crack smoking bonehead forgot the best SF writer of all time?

    1. Re:Where's PKD? by Comte · · Score: 1

      It's pretty clear from the display that the intention is to add people to the SFHOF over time. If you look on the website here there's a good explanation of the process. And note that it wasn't Allen or the SFM advisory board that made these selections, but rather this was done by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame in Kansas City; SFM is now the permanent repository for that collection, and no doubt worthy personages such as Dick will get their due in good time.

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      "Courage is the price that life exact for granting peace. The soul that knows it not knows no escape from little thin
    2. Re:Where's PKD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was assuming that, but still leaving the best SF writer out of the inaugural class is a shame to this museum.

  49. tps interview by devonbowen · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Planetary Society has an audio interview with Donna Shirley about the museum here.

    Devon

  50. Ah...Paul Allen by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
    The Microsoft founder you love to hate. Slightly less than the other one, that is ;-)

    But face it, wouldn't you rather be Allen with millions in the bank doing something that interests you, and not Gates with billions in the bank, married to the woman responsible for Bob?

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    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.