tbray writes "Dave Edmondson wanted to play MP3's in his car; his
solution was perhaps a bit over the top. But then, why wouldn't you want an
E450 in your trunk? Check the pix."
Looks like your mirror is/.'ed. Can anyone loan this guy a spare E40?
Kirk and the Enterprise stereo system
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Viking5150
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· Score: 5, Funny
The only Enterprise class stereo system I want to hear about is the one Kirk used when scoring with all the green alien babes.;-)
Re:Kirk and the Enterprise stereo system
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pr0nbot
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· Score: 3, Funny
OT... There was a funny anecdote in some Star Trek memoir I read about the green aliens. The SFX team were painting the chicks green, but whenever the developed film came back it wasn't green enough. So they'd up the green in the paint and do it again.
After a few rounds of this they went to the guys developing the film and they were like, "What?! It took us HOURS to correct the green tint off your film!"
Okay, I laughed
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daviddennis
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· Score: 4, Insightful
But where'd he get power for this thing? I would think it would require massive alternator upgrades for it to work, but I see nothing of the kind on his page. The only hint is that the inverter link goes to a page suggesting that it needs 30v power, while I thought car power was universally 12v.
I can see this solution for a motor home where a generator can be available, but not a minivan.
This seems like something that must have not cost much to do, or he would have done better than that crummy cassette adapter. That implies that standard power must have worked (?).
Strange.
D
Re:Okay, I laughed
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josh3736
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· Score: 3, Funny
The system arrived with three power supplies and, though it's clear that this is good for reliability, the space taken by one of them proved convenient to store the power inverter necessary to get from the in-car 12V supply back to the 230V required by the system. It's possible that I might build an alternative plug-in power supply unit that didn't bother with the inverter, but that's a project for another day.
I'd just hate to forget to turn it off when you get out of the car.
Re:Okay, I laughed
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OverlordQ
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· Score: 3, Insightful
From the page: The system arrived with three power supplies and, though it's clear that this is good for reliability, the space taken by one of them proved convenient to store the power inverter necessary to get from the in-car 12V supply back to the 230V required by the system.
And from the inverter page:
Provides 230V AC output from standard cigarette lighter plug
-- Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Re:Okay, I laughed
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haroldK
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· Score: 3, Insightful
But where'd he get power for this thing? I would think it would require massive alternator upgrades for it to work, but I see nothing of the kind on his page. The only hint is that the inverter link goes to a page suggesting that it needs 30v power, while I thought car power was universally 12v.
30A does not equal 30V. A cigarette lighter probably isn't good enough for the full rating of this invertor (mine, for instance is on a 20A fuse along with the interior lights and stereo), but it's possible to tie in to the alternator output directly.
Re:Okay, I laughed
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WhiteBandit
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· Score: 4, Funny
I'd just hate to forget to turn it off when you get out of the car.
Not to worry! It has a built in feature that automatically turns itself off after about 3 seconds!
(also known as the time to drain your battery)
If you notice though, there is plenty of space on the other side of the trunk. Which is perfect for the companion gas powered generator!
memories of bye gone days
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quakemeister
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· Score: 4, Funny
this server reminds me of my time during the colo/5pagepowerpoint=$5MVC/weneedaNetASAP days and suns *highly* optimistic "we put the DOT in.COM" advertising in the late 90s. dont know what street value for one of these is today but sheesh, putting one in the car? that borders on sacriligious - call the SUN police! wait, they fired them all!
Power consumption
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eltoyoboyo
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I did not notice how much he said about battery life on a car-powered 230vac computer system. But you probably do not want to be playing the music without the engine running...(Not that you could hear the engine over the sound of the E450 anyway)
Not at all! I have a G5 cluster powering my custom PVR system, built a windmill to run the light on my front porch, and I recently installed a small nuclear power plant in my shed so I could power the lawn sprinkler system.
Couldn't an ultra tiny machine do this?
You're right. The ultra tiny machine is running his web server.
Site comes up for me
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JohnnyComeLately
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I've shaken my head at PCs in a car, and some other oddities. This car, though, takes the cake. I'm not sure I'd really want to do this, even if I could. Enterprise servers aren't made for that vibration, and I've seen what a smoked power supply goes for (right after corporate decided to "save money" by dropping the warranties). Even with WiFi, Bluetooth, or wi-flavor of the month, you're just wasting resources. You might as well be in a Lambroghini Diablo, parked in traffic on the 5 in LA.
Borrowed from the guy's forum
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jeffkjo1
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· Score: 5, Funny
Oh, I can just see it now... "Dad, I'm sick of this song" "Ok, son, just use your terminal to telnet into the e450 and modify the rc script to exclude that song" "Can't we just get one of those dvd players like Jimmy has?" "No. Use the supercomputer. You need to learn solaris."
Re:Borrowed from the guy's forum
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QEDog
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· Score: 4, Funny
?Ok, son, just use your terminal to telnet into the e450 and modify the rc script to exclude that song? "telnet? telnet? telnet"" Dad? ssh!"
-- "There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
Slashdot got trolled.
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jared_hanson
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· Score: 4, Insightful
I think slashdot just got trolled. An excerpt from his page as reasons for doing this:
-multiple processors to ensure that mp3 decode is not interrupted by other process activity,
-good internal storage capacity, including the ability to take advantage of software RAID for reliability,
-large memory for good caching of tunes being played,
-easily expandable to allow for future projects,
-excellent support for Solaris 10, so that I can test bug-fixes, etc. while on the road if necessary. This also means that there is wide application availability (Oracle, great Java tools, etc.)
Does anyone who knows anything about MP3s think you need large or multiple processors to handle the task? Do you need massive memory to cache the songs? No on both counts.
Plus, the pictures on the site look like he just set his Sun server in the back of his SUV and snapped a couple photographs. No details on the hookup to the sound system at all.
If any story ever showed the ineptitude of Slashdot editors, this would be it.
I just wonder what will happen when the guys at Oracle hear about this. I've seen some weird licensing schemes from those guys - but I can't wait to see $100/horsepower or something like that.
Re:Slashdot got trolled.
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UserChrisCanter4
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· Score: 4, Funny
/. Got trolled?? Hell no. The editors knew this was a fake.
Wait 'till this guy sees his bandwidth bill.
I'm not impressed
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Y0tsuya
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Normal people actually use their trunks to carry things like groceries, tools & parts from home depot, luggages, etc. Hauling a big ass computer in the trunk creates a massive inconvenience in everyday life.
Re:Apparently the E450 wasn't running the webserve
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devilsammo
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· Score: 4, Funny
Would you like the passenger side or perhaps the rear view?
"Might as well get an 8-track player"
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mopomi
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· Score: 3, Funny
My wife's comment before seeing pictures: "Are you going to build one for our car?" After seeing pictures: "Geez! We don't have room for that--we might as well get an 8-track player."
I Have Now Officially Seen Everthing
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Myriad
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· Score: 4, Funny
Though it actually has nothing to do with the E450 in dudes trunk.
No, it is the fact that I just saw a reference to Shaving Cream in a/. sig... (eltoyoboyo's )
-- "They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
Do it better in 2 words.
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CRC'99
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Mini ITX.
Nuff said. I have one sitting under the seat in my car. 7" touchscreen in the dash, GPS and navigation software. All in a mini-case and runs off the 13.8v straight from the car battery.
Yes, that looks geeky, but touchscreen works better:)
-- Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing an editor and a MTA.
Crunk in da trunk
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beavmetal
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Bah! to all those who made cracks about dayton ohio. You forget we host the Hamvention.
Regardless, this guys got the right idea. Personally I decided not to put a computer in my car after ludacris sang about it. However, I still use a laptop and a digital FM converter to play my music.
But really, think about it. Shouldn't this be the way car audio is headed. No need for damn disk. Also, CD are easy, frequent targets for thieves. If your neighbors don't see the wank stealing the server out of the back of your car, then they should buy your replacement. The e450 is a little big. I mean where are the 4 15"s gonna go. And wouldn't the vibration of my subs kill the E450.
Even so, when you compare the price of a computer to that of the phatbox
there isn't much difference. Really the computer is more fun and could very well be put to more use. Think replacing the head unit with a touch screen that runs software you wrote to control the system. Who needs a dvd nav system. Put the GPS receiver and the software rigth on the computer. Think wireless file server so you can listen to the music on your car at your desk at work and then transfer all your hard work to the backup car system.
This guy isn't the first person to put a computer in his car. He definitely won't be the last. While there will still be a solid market for component systems, I strongly believe that portable, multifunction car systems will become the norm within 10 years.
-- Looks like it is time to replace your Personality Module. You are a bit to clingy, guess I better replace your fuser to
Power Problems
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whataboutMike
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· Score: 5, Insightful
One more evidence that it might be a hoax: the E450 requires ~1600 watts of power and the power inverter that he says he uses provides only 300W... A difference of about ~1200W...
Now Slashdot will never front page my econoline with the Cray XMP in the back! It serves mp3s, controls my dome light brightness level and runs a meteorological simulation for 300 sq. kilometers. It calls me Dave for some reason. I only had to cut a teensy weensy hole in the roof and add nine batteries.
Hooked right into my 8-track though.
-- "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot
Re:Simple idea
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AKnightCowboy
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If you read the article carefully, you would have noticed that it cost him a whopping $0. For that much, how can you go wrong? It may not be the wootenest system ever, but its definitely neato.
He could've sold it on eBay and bought at least a half dozen brand new iPods. On the other hand, it does pain me to see that the e450s we bought about 4 years ago for $38,000 are now going for $2000. We should've bought a Mac as they hold their resale value better.
This was to make life easy?
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jm91509
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Cool!
"...the interest in getting a large chunk of music into the car without carrying around and managing a big stack of CDs has remained."
So to avoid the hastle of managing a stack of CD's, this guy has installed an E450 and a SunRay in his car? And after doing all that (no mean feat I would suspect) the audio is connected to his car via a tape converter?
Funny, but me thinks we are having our legs pulled...
Here's a brilliant idea
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The-Bus
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Why don't you put the server back in your room to host the webpage that's been slashdotted, the Kenwood FM/AM/Apache radio you have does not seem to be doing the trick.
--
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
Sell monster 90's server; use money to buy iPod
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MrChuck
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Bet he coulda gotten $500 for a loaded E450 and maintained said investment.
That said, for
@work, I suffer with E450's because "They Are Suns". Even when I show that a 1CPU x86 @ 2GHz smokes it.
"and with one CPU, I can be assured that the machine won't lock up with multiple CPUs contending for one resource" (well, it's as reasonable as his thoughts about dedicated CPUs for decoding...)
As for power, a friend just hit a junk yard ambulance and got a 100A alternator (he runs emergency lights on his car going to fires). A 1000watt inverter and you could power the E450.
Just be careful turning with all those disks on.
I can see either a disk crash or gyroscopes causing car crashes;)
Re:E450 doesn't even have sound
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|<amikaze
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· Score: 4, Informative
I believe that would be in one of the TEN PCI slots...
What's *not* necessary
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commodoresloat
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is a honkin' server in your trunk just to listen to music. A server *and* a laptop. I guess it didn't occur to him to just plug the laptop directly into the cassette deck that he has the E450 plugged into. Or, here's an idea, get an iPod! (And a car stereo with AUX input so you're not playing through a crappy cassette deck). In response to why you wouldn't want this in your trunk -- it's damn easy to steal (even has wheels to wheel it away).... on a completely unrelated note, if this thing is stolen, you might need to worry about an RIAA lawsuit for distributing copyrighted music....
Re:What's *not* necessary
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Onan
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...it's damn easy to steal...
Um, you've never tried to move an e450, have you? Especially one loaded with disks?
Would-be thieves would probably have an easier time walking away with his transmission. Hell, the added weight probably makes the car harder to steal.
Re:What's *not* necessary
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DJStealth
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Once I heard he had a laptop to manage everything, I realized that this whole thing must be a joke. He probably had to transport the E450 between branches at work, and decided to take some pics of it.
the omnifi is quite a piece of junk (i know, i own one).
the best product i've seen so far is the phatbox. it's being sold by volkswagen and audi as optional equipment. the kenwood music keg is a derivative of the phatbox that only works with kenwood stereos, but you can buy a phatbox that works with many types of car stereos.
there are several other makers of in-car mp3 players. ssi neo, the omnifi, the now defunct empeg/riocar. none of these made any inroad with real manufacturers because of poor quality and terrible usability. after having used the phatbox SSA interface (it talks to you, so you can find your songs without ever having to look down at a display), i'm never buying another product without it.
Slashdot Mirror
How did i predict this would be nessesary?
http://members.shaw.ca/infonic/icece/
You are confusing me with someone who cares.
The only Enterprise class stereo system I want to hear about is the one Kirk used when scoring with all the green alien babes. ;-)
But where'd he get power for this thing? I would think it would require massive alternator upgrades for it to work, but I see nothing of the kind on his page. The only hint is that the inverter link goes to a page suggesting that it needs 30v power, while I thought car power was universally 12v.
I can see this solution for a motor home where a generator can be available, but not a minivan.
This seems like something that must have not cost much to do, or he would have done better than that crummy cassette adapter. That implies that standard power must have worked (?).
Strange.
D
this server reminds me of my time during the colo/5pagepowerpoint=$5MVC/weneedaNetASAP days and suns *highly* optimistic .COM"
"we put the DOT in
advertising in the late 90s. dont know what street value for one of these is today but sheesh, putting one in the car? that borders on sacriligious - call the SUN police! wait, they fired them all!
I did not notice how much he said about battery life on a car-powered 230vac computer system. But you probably do not want to be playing the music without the engine running...(Not that you could hear the engine over the sound of the E450 anyway)
Have you Meta Moderated t
And if you do come to a total stop in traffic, just hook it up to the car's antenna and find a hot spot. Voila! Instant portable office!
The size of the E450 would cut deeply into the space for bodies.
Because I'd arrive at my destination before it had finised the memory check.
On the positive side, my car would have that cool whoosh sound like Kitt in Knight Rider.
Unknown host pong.
It sounds like all he has is an 80GB HD, and it serves up files.
Couldn't an ultra tiny machine do this?
What a waste.
I've shaken my head at PCs in a car, and some other oddities. This car, though, takes the cake. I'm not sure I'd really want to do this, even if I could. Enterprise servers aren't made for that vibration, and I've seen what a smoked power supply goes for (right after corporate decided to "save money" by dropping the warranties). Even with WiFi, Bluetooth, or wi-flavor of the month, you're just wasting resources. You might as well be in a Lambroghini Diablo, parked in traffic on the 5 in LA.
Oh, I can just see it now...
"Dad, I'm sick of this song"
"Ok, son, just use your terminal to telnet into the e450 and modify the rc script to exclude that song"
"Can't we just get one of those dvd players like Jimmy has?"
"No. Use the supercomputer. You need to learn solaris."
I think slashdot just got trolled. An excerpt from his page as reasons for doing this:
-multiple processors to ensure that mp3 decode is not interrupted by other process activity,
-good internal storage capacity, including the ability to take advantage of software RAID for reliability,
-large memory for good caching of tunes being played,
-easily expandable to allow for future projects,
-excellent support for Solaris 10, so that I can test bug-fixes, etc. while on the road if necessary. This also means that there is wide application availability (Oracle, great Java tools, etc.)
Does anyone who knows anything about MP3s think you need large or multiple processors to handle the task? Do you need massive memory to cache the songs? No on both counts.
Plus, the pictures on the site look like he just set his Sun server in the back of his SUV and snapped a couple photographs. No details on the hookup to the sound system at all.
If any story ever showed the ineptitude of Slashdot editors, this would be it.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Normal people actually use their trunks to carry things like groceries, tools & parts from home depot, luggages, etc. Hauling a big ass computer in the trunk creates a massive inconvenience in everyday life.
Would you like the passenger side or perhaps the rear view?
Pfftt! I got a Cray on my skateboard!
eleven plus two / twelve plus one
My wife's comment before seeing pictures:
"Are you going to build one for our car?"
After seeing pictures:
"Geez! We don't have room for that--we might as well get an 8-track player."
No, it is the fact that I just saw a reference to Shaving Cream in a /. sig... (eltoyoboyo's )
Wow. An obscure Benny Bell song... on Slashdot...
I can die fulfilled now.
Oh god, I just realized this means I actually got it. *feels old*
Blockwars: free, multiplayer, head to head game
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
Mini ITX.
:)
Nuff said. I have one sitting under the seat in my car. 7" touchscreen in the dash, GPS and navigation software. All in a mini-case and runs off the 13.8v straight from the car battery.
Yes, that looks geeky, but touchscreen works better
Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing an editor and a MTA.
Bah! to all those who made cracks about dayton ohio. You forget we host the Hamvention.
Regardless, this guys got the right idea. Personally I decided not to put a computer in my car after ludacris sang about it. However, I still use a laptop and a digital FM converter to play my music.
But really, think about it. Shouldn't this be the way car audio is headed. No need for damn disk. Also, CD are easy, frequent targets for thieves. If your neighbors don't see the wank stealing the server out of the back of your car, then they should buy your replacement. The e450 is a little big. I mean where are the 4 15"s gonna go. And wouldn't the vibration of my subs kill the E450.
Even so, when you compare the price of a computer to that of the phatbox there isn't much difference. Really the computer is more fun and could very well be put to more use. Think replacing the head unit with a touch screen that runs software you wrote to control the system. Who needs a dvd nav system. Put the GPS receiver and the software rigth on the computer. Think wireless file server so you can listen to the music on your car at your desk at work and then transfer all your hard work to the backup car system.
This guy isn't the first person to put a computer in his car. He definitely won't be the last. While there will still be a solid market for component systems, I strongly believe that portable, multifunction car systems will become the norm within 10 years.
Looks like it is time to replace your Personality Module. You are a bit to clingy, guess I better replace your fuser to
One more evidence that it might be a hoax: the E450 requires ~1600 watts of power and the power inverter that he says he uses provides only 300W... A difference of about ~1200W...
Now Slashdot will never front page my econoline with the Cray XMP in the back! It serves mp3s, controls my dome light brightness level and runs a meteorological simulation for 300 sq. kilometers. It calls me Dave for some reason. I only had to cut a teensy weensy hole in the roof and add nine batteries.
Hooked right into my 8-track though.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot
He could've sold it on eBay and bought at least a half dozen brand new iPods. On the other hand, it does pain me to see that the e450s we bought about 4 years ago for $38,000 are now going for $2000. We should've bought a Mac as they hold their resale value better.
Cool!
"...the interest in getting a large chunk of music into the car without carrying around and managing a big stack of CDs has remained."
So to avoid the hastle of managing a stack of CD's, this guy has installed an E450 and a SunRay in his car? And after doing all that (no mean feat I would suspect) the audio is connected to his car via a tape converter?
Funny, but me thinks we are having our legs pulled...
Why don't you put the server back in your room to host the webpage that's been slashdotted, the Kenwood FM/AM/Apache radio you have does not seem to be doing the trick.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
That said, for @work, I suffer with E450's because "They Are Suns". Even when I show that a 1CPU x86 @ 2GHz smokes it.
"and with one CPU, I can be assured that the machine won't lock up with multiple CPUs contending for one resource" (well, it's as reasonable as his thoughts about dedicated CPUs for decoding...)
As for power, a friend just hit a junk yard ambulance and got a 100A alternator (he runs emergency lights on his car going to fires). A 1000watt inverter and you could power the E450.
Just be careful turning with all those disks on. I can see either a disk crash or gyroscopes causing car crashes ;)
I believe that would be in one of the TEN PCI slots...
is a honkin' server in your trunk just to listen to music. A server *and* a laptop. I guess it didn't occur to him to just plug the laptop directly into the cassette deck that he has the E450 plugged into. Or, here's an idea, get an iPod! (And a car stereo with AUX input so you're not playing through a crappy cassette deck). In response to why you wouldn't want this in your trunk -- it's damn easy to steal (even has wheels to wheel it away). ... on a completely unrelated note, if this thing is stolen, you might need to worry about an RIAA lawsuit for distributing copyrighted music....
the omnifi is quite a piece of junk (i know, i own one).
the best product i've seen so far is the phatbox. it's being sold by volkswagen and audi as optional equipment. the kenwood music keg is a derivative of the phatbox that only works with kenwood stereos, but you can buy a phatbox that works with many types of car stereos.
there are several other makers of in-car mp3 players. ssi neo, the omnifi, the now defunct empeg/riocar. none of these made any inroad with real manufacturers because of poor quality and terrible usability. after having used the phatbox SSA interface (it talks to you, so you can find your songs without ever having to look down at a display), i'm never buying another product without it.