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Fuel Cells for Laptop Computers
ArbiterOne writes "An article in PC World states that the company MTI Micro Fuel Cells plans to demonstrate a new technology this week that could pave the way for better power technology for laptop and palmtop computers. The article claims that this new technology could provide a battery life 2.5 times greater than that of a lithium-ion battery. Could this be the solution to the problem of short battery life in high-end notebooks?"
As long as the laptop designers don't suddenly think that having more power means they can put components that use 2.5 times the power.
The nice thing about "normal" batteries is that I can go to my hotel room and recharge them. The last thing I need to be doing is wandering around vegas at three in the morning trying to find some hydrogen to power my notebook for the big presentation in the morning.
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Now can we get this working for cars so we don't have to pay outragous gas prices!
Lithium-Ion batteries only last so long before you have to replace them completely - I wonder if they can get these to be cheap enough to be economically competitive towards the other batteries.
If they last longer, and the cost-per-hour of use turns out to be cheaper...
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Pardon me while I yawn. These things have been just around the corner for a LONG TIME. It seems they get "demonstrated" when there's a pressing need for more money, and then they go away for an undefined period of time.
Call me when I can buy one for my powerbook.
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Hmmm... Now where would one find methanol?
I agree about the recharging being desireable. It sounds good but there's some more work to do on it.
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But seriously, will this be available in time for current computers (like my brand-new Powerbook) to be able to upgrade to a fuel cell power source? :)
If they are waiting for permission from organizatiosn such as the Avionics commission, and potentially other organizations (hazmat restrictions?) then you could be waiting for a few years. While this is a BLANKET guess on my part, we all know how quickly gov't organizations move.
So you are still thinking PowerBooks will be called this in ten years?
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Anyone thought about the fact that Methanol is highly toxic? I can see the headline:
"Small child dies in tragedy involving laptop".
I've not seen any discussion of this aspect of direct methanol fuel cells on the web, but it's an important one.
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Several problems need to be worked out before fuel cells are a viable commercial technology, says Allen Nogee, principal analyst with InStat/MDR in Scottsdale, Arizona. For one thing, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has to decide if fuel cells will be allowed on airplanes, he says.
Given the way laptops are used by business travellers, and where they generally need long battery life, this is probably a stopper for the whole thing.
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Given the huge amount of power it takes just to stay in the air, I can't see a commercial airliner not being able to spare 30 watts per seat for hardware. The weight of wiring might be an issue, but if you run 110 VAC 400 Hz 3 phase down the aircraft and use switching converters at each row of seats that'll be minimal.
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"Disposable" fuel cells have to be compared against primary batteries, not rechargeable ones. Rechargable batteries typically have about half the energy density of primary batteries. So claiming a 2.5x improvement in battery life for a nonrechargeable system is not a win.
Ballard is further along than anybody else in larger fuel cells. Even they don't have much more than prototypes. Their attempt to market a fuel cell under the Coleman brand was a failure. The Coleman Powermate was launched with great fanfare in 2002, and never shipped. It's not clear what's wrong at Ballard. Their 1KW units should be providing backup power for cell phone sites and such, but it isn't happening.
Ballard uses hydrogen in their fuel cells. Despite all the hype about the "hydrogen economy", Praxair, which sells hydrogen for fuel cells, has this to say:
Fuel cell grade hydrogen is specifically designed to be used as a fuel in fuel cell applications. It contains extremely low levels of impurities (e.g. ammonia (NH3), carbon monoxide (CO) and sulfur compounds) that can harm the catalyst-coated membranes inside the fuel cell.
It is supplied in high-pressure cylinders and can only be used by industrial customers, like factories, laboratories, universities, and military and government installations. Typically, industrial customers already use compressed gases as part of their daily activities. Its use requires adequate ventilation and/or monitoring systems appropriate to the size of the location, helping ensure the safety of personnel when non-air gases are present.
Somehow I just don't see you being allowed to take this onboard an airplane, or even allowed through security with it. Bad enough it gives of gasses, but it's full of a flamable liquid?
Can you say 'bomb'?
(Doesn't matter if it can be made to explode, we're talking about the same people who confiscate nail clippers)
I'll be the first to say I'm not a huge supporter of President Bush - but the parent poster's statement is questionable at best, and more likely pure FUD.
Hydrogen is being focused on as the "future" right now simply because it shows the most potential. We've already been through the whole superconductor thing, which turned out to largely be a fiasco. We have a pretty good handle on such energy sources as nuclear power and solar power, and already know where/when to use them, and where/when they're not really viable.
Yes, there might be a more immediately usable power source for automobiles in such things as producing fuel from plants, but the numbers I've seen run on this indicate it's not practical as a way to really migrate all of the U.S. cars and trucks away from petroleum products. (Farmers can't grow enough soybeans and other crops to supply all the demand we currently have for oil, even if you could magically convert every motor vehicle to run on these types of alternate fuels overnight.)
I believe it was well over a year ago, Slashdot linked to a story about people driving around an experimental hydrogren fuel cell powered van in the Chicago area. This technology isn't "pie in the sky". It's basically workable, and shows results for the money put into the research. I think it has little or nothing to do with some conspiracy theory about Bush backing it to protect the oil companies.