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Doom 3's Release Date; Quake Turns 8

LehiNephi writes "Apparently, GameStop has an updated product page for long-awaited PC FPS Doom 3, along with the note: 'Official launch date of August 3rd, 2004 confirmed!', although the official Doom 3 site hasn't yet been updated, sporting just a 'coming soon' notice. [Blue's News also has further info, noting 'that the British Board of Film Classification has a DOOM III Listing with a rating for the game, a seeming indication that they've already been able to review all its content'.]" In related news, Ag3nt writes "One of the biggest leaps in PC gaming technology, Quake, celebrated its 8th birthday yesterday, according to an AmpedNews piece - there's also a birthday note on John Romero's homepage."

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  1. Believe It When I See It On Shelves by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Just Monday, the "Foxtrot" comic strip was joking how it seemed Doom III would never come out.

    Seeing a confirmed date on a reporting site, heck even on ID's site, seems like reading portents in the tea leaves. Even when they announce ship dates, these companies are notorious for having last-minute changes. Thirty-six hours before you should be able to pick up your precious pre-order, it's announced that you'll have to wait another two weeks... maybe three... they're not sure.

    I'll believe the release dates when I have a copy in my grubby little hands and not before.

    1. Re:Believe It When I See It On Shelves by Ignignot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I prefer to deal with companies on a case by case basis. id software has almost never disclosed release dates until they were done. They've always followed the "when its done" philosophy of development. When they finally said it will come out this summer, I trusted them. The Aug 3 release date is in the summer, so if it comes out that day I'll continue to trust them where it comes to releases. The one thing that disappoints me is that they're letting quake 4 be developed on the doom 3 engine. :-(

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    2. Re:Believe It When I See It On Shelves by chimpo13 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Isn't any "Doom III out soon" an automatic dupe? Hasn't this been a topic since 1920? Isn't Doom the first of the talkies?

      New Star Wars sucks
      Doom III out soon
      SCO sucks
      Microsoft sucks
      XBox is great
      XBox sucks

  2. Time to update... by tcopeland · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...my WAD file parser. Argh!

  3. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If we were to take that poorly worded title literally, that would mean Doom 3 was released yesterday. W00t!

  4. I Want DOOM3 More Than Anyone... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... but remember id still hasn't budged from it's "when it's done" release date.

    1. Re:I Want DOOM3 More Than Anyone... by Dan+Farina · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040511/sftu128_1.html

      "Activision and id Software Confirm Summer 2004 Ship Date for Doom 3"

      It's not "when it's done" with no qualifiers, as you imply. id and Activision have a rough idea of when "it's done" will be.

  5. Original Doom almost 11 years old by csirac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... according to this.
    10 Years of Doom

    Ten years ago on December 10th, 1993, id Software released the Doom shareware, forever changing the world of PC games. Doom pretty much defined the very young first person shooter genera, and set the bar for future games to come. With immersive, colorful levels, deadly enemies and some of the greatest gameplay any game has ever seen, Doom can be best described as nothing short of a masterpiece. Even to this day it is still cited as one of the best and most signifigant games made.
  6. The official release date by PovRayMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    "When it's done"

    Part of me wishes this was the industry standard instead of forcing themselves to abide by release dates only to output a buggy product.

    However the downside to "when its done" would be our favorite game Duke Nukem Forever.

    WHEN WILL YOU BE DONE?!

  7. I pre-purchased doom3 long ago by ekvin · · Score: 4, Funny

    My pewter mancubus is sitting on top of my monitor, where it's been laughing at me ever since I paid $10 way ahead of time to own doom3. All I can say is, it's about time! (... to upgrade my video card, that is)

  8. Hardware nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to upgrage my box to run this and HL2, then have to throw it all in the trash next year so I can upgrade to a Longhorn spec machine. Wheeeee!

    1. Re:Hardware nightmare by Deusy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't wait to upgrage my box to run this and HL2, then have to throw it all in the trash next year so I can upgrade to a Longhorn spec machine. Wheeeee!

      Why would you want to play Longhorn? It doesn't look like a very fun game.

      What's that? It isn't a game? But what about the...

      Oh right.

      but what about the...

      Ah ok.

      But why would they bother to do that? Did they think Enlightenment was going to be ready before - can't say Doom 3 - Duke Nukem Forever shipped? Crazy multinationals...

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  9. Skeptical by generic-man · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm always skeptical about release dates, but at least two stores are consistent this time. EB Games has the release date for Doom III listed as August 3 as well, but the strategy guide comes out on July 10. You can spend three weeks reading up on the game and then kick ass at it!

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    1. Re:Skeptical by shystershep · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the other hand, Amazon claims "Date first available at Amazon: July 5, 2002"

      You can theoretically pre-order, but it doesn't seem to be working right now.

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  10. In other news... by jesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Warez group announces August 1, 2004 release date for cracked version of Doom III.

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  11. Impending Doom by joNDoty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No doubt that this game's gonna have everyone flipping head-over-hoof. I just hope the game will actually deserve its reaction. Much like any good trilogy, the third release is often a dissapointment. (with the exception of the original star wars trilogy ;-)

    1. Re:Impending Doom by iamsure · · Score: 4, Funny

      the third release is often a dissapointment. (with the exception of the original star wars trilogy ;-)


      Blasphemy. All Jedi had was a bunch of muppets.
  12. Quaking... by KoshClassic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, I can't believe that it was only 8 years ago. When the original Quake was released, I honestly wasn't that impressed by it. Perhaps that's because I never had such hot hardware to run it on. But, mostly I remember thinking that the main way in which Quake, as a gaming engine, improved on Doom / Doom 2 (which I really loved) was by providing a true 3D environment, as opposed to Doom's psuedo-3D. Yet, to me, Doom was so well done in terms of level design, etc, that all Quake did was make me aware of things that Doom did not do, but that I had never missed in Doom as I never really realised that Doom wasn't doing them.

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    1. Re:Quaking... by Ignignot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Romero, will you never admit quake was better? We know its you!

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  13. More Importantly by smclean · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When is the Linux release date? Does it say anywhere whether they are doing a concurrent Linux/Windows release? Will there be a nice free demo, as is ID's habit?

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    1. Re:More Importantly by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, they definitely are shipping Linux binaries with the game. Also word is that there will probably be a demo AFTER the game is released.

  14. Wouldnt it be cool by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldnt it be cool if they modelled an Armadillo Aerospace rocket crashed somewhere on a Doom 3 map? ;)

  15. VideoCards by artlu · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll have to wait until August 2nd to get a video card that can handle doom 3. Oh wait, I use a laptop guess I can't play :(
    Damn.

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    1. Re:VideoCards by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not sure if things have changed in the last year or so, but Carmak's origional goal was to have it play on any card with a vertex shader which meant the lowest end card is the GF3Ti200. Today there are laptop's with MUCH more powerfull GPU's including the GF4Go, GeForce FX Go5700, and ATI offerings.

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  16. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Duke Nukem Forever will become bundled with Doom 3 as well.
    8/3/04.

  17. Oblig. PA Reference by marnargulus · · Score: 5, Funny
  18. id is the only reason I buy new computers by geekd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    id software's games are the only reason I buy new computers. Sure, I'll update my video card, or get a bigger hard drive, but as far a whole new system goes, it's just when id's new games come out.

    Quake 3 - new machine
    Wolfenstein - new machine
    Doom 3 - ordered new machine yesterday. (from endpcnoise.com - wife is complaining the 3 computers in the office are too loud. We'll see if thay are as good as they claim.)

    I wonder how much hardware worldwide id is responsible for selling?

    1. Re:id is the only reason I buy new computers by geekd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about donating the old computers your wife says are making noise to charity?

      I do, kinda.

      I "kick them down the line" to friends who just need a machine for email and stuff, and don't have the personal income to just go out and buy one (students, stoners, musicians :).

      Once upon a time, it was me on the recieving end of a free "new" machine, and I was very gratefull, so I figure it's my responsibility to keep it going.

  19. backhanded compliment .... by JSkills · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I just checked out Romero's homepage and although he mentions Doom 3, he also used the word "sequelitis" and goes on to list all of the sequels ID has produced since he left (as opposed to attempting to launch some completely new game as he did).

    After reading Masters of Doom, this smells a little like sour grapes to me ...

    1. Re:backhanded compliment .... by JSkills · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Right on the money? Bzzzt. Wrong.

      The success of all subsequent Dooms, Quakes, and even Wolfenstein will attest to people's love for the various franchises that had made ID successful. What you're not realizing is that each sequel is a new game - because of the engine. The improvements in the game engines are nothing short of amazing work each time around.

      And the maps, weapons, sounds, art, opponents, and rewards are all new as well. The only thing that is the same is the name of the game and the fact that is a first person shooter ...

    2. Re:backhanded compliment .... by aardwolf204 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Incase anyone was wondering, it goes kinda like this:

      Wolfenstein 3D :: Wolf3d Engine

      Wolfenstein 3D 2 (Spear of Destiny) :: Wolf3d Engine

      Doom :: Doom Engine

      Doom 2 :: Doom Engine

      Quake :: Quake Engine

      Quake 2 :: Quiake Engine (beef'd up)

      Quake 3 :: Quake 3 Engine

      Return to Castle Wolfenstein :: Quake 3 Engine (Beef'd up)

      Doom 3 :: Doom 3 Engine ...
      ...

      So now we've got 3 Wolfensteins, 3 Quakes, and 3 Dooms. Each of which has an original and a sequal on the same engine, and a third on new engine, which gets recycled to make the next game.

      Whats coming next?...

      Quake 4 :: Doom 3 Engine (prolly?)
      Then what, Wolf 4, Doom 4.... I'm all for new and shiny, but at some point id needs to come up with something fresh. Their last new series was 8 years ago.

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  20. Nuking... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Funny
    I always felt that Duke Nuke'm was better than Quake 1 despite the psuedo-3D used in Duke because it was more fun to play. There were all sorts of cool details:

    You could get healthpoints by taking a leak and drinking water.

    You could pay the hookers to dance.

    All the piggy cops had LAPD written on the uniform sleeve.

    The list goes on...

    But most of all I liked the way Duke lived up to his promise to rip off the Uberfiend's head and sh*t down his neck. When he sat down on the thing and unfolded the newspaper I fell of the chair laughing...

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  21. 8 Years ago? I'm getting old. by g00z · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride..."

    I clearly remember when Quake came out like it was yesterday. I remember that at the office I was working at there was a big debate on what was the better game... Duke Nukem 3D or Quake. In the end Quake won, but not without some heated arguments in DN3D's favor.

    And of course, before that I remember playing Deathmatch Doom on the office lan on a 386 with a b&w monitor (shivers).

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  22. I'm an old bastard! by goldenfield · · Score: 5, Funny
    Every so often, something comes along that reminds me that I'm 29, for all intents and purposes old, and probably not cool anymore.
    • I'm no longer in MTV's core demographic (12-26)
    • Younger family members think "Take My Breath Away" by Jessica Simpson is such a great, original song.

    And now this...Quake is 8, Doom is over 10. It couldn't have been that long ago, right? I got it when I got the first Snoop Doggy Dogg CD...oh, wait...
    1. Re:I'm an old bastard! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      bah, try 30+ years ago. I still remember the hippies, and I'd have to say the last original fads I can recall were parachute pants, leg warmers, and big hair - Not the "big" hair of the 50s, or the piled wigs of the 1400s-early 1900s, but that big teased looked like someone tried blow drying their hair while bathing look. These fads were all possible because of technological marvels of the day - artificial satin-like material, lycra, and the combined blow dryers, perms, and super hold hair spray.

      OK, that's not entirely true, the last cool original fad I can recall was the punk/modern rock/post-modern/alternative music movements, all original before the "alternative" mainstream movement began around 1990. This was driven by the "new" electric guitar and newer multi-phonic electronic keyboards. The last 2 major innovations in musical instruments.

      That whole wearing pants too big for you was pretty much done in the 30s, when people were so poor they bought clothes for their kids to grow into. The body piercing et al - pre-1900s folks. Same for "body art", which I think they've actually dated for women as a fad in the 1700s.

      As for being less cool, what's less cool than walking around in corduroys, parachute pants, or leg warmers, much less that fire-hazard hair? And let's not forget the left-is-cool right-is-wrong escapade. All were phases, and they passed, for the most part. The only thing less cool in the last 10-15 years is the music scene, which thanks to the pandering of the members of the RIAA, now targets 12 yo's and has dropped all pretense of actually supporting music.

      Well, that's enough of a rant in one posting.

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  23. The 8th Anniversary by AntiChris · · Score: 5, Funny

    We celebrate id Software's ability to create more shades of brown than ever imaginable... and love every minute of it!

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  24. NVIDIA and ATI should give id tons of money by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was because of Quake that 3d accelleration made it to the big time. When I was 21 I plunked down 200 of my hard earned dollars to buy a Diamond Monster 3d card JUST TO PLAY GL-Quake!

    Lots of my buddies did the same. Before Quake 3d accelleration was just a novelty.

    LK

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  25. Gameshops telling release dates : What's new ? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 4, Informative
    They have been doing that as long as they 've been selling on-line. They don't know, but are counting on the people foolish enough to pre-buy it with them.

    I won't believe any dates untill i see a 'we gone gold' message from the id-dudes themselves.

    Setting the date at the start of August, would still be very convenient for the die-hards at Quakecon (12 -15 August) to have a LAN-go at it.

    Anyhow, I'm very curious , and patiently await the 'we gone gold' message.

    On a last note : Seeing that Splashdamage took the multiplayer portion as their part (at least leveldesign) i -know- the MP part is gonna rock my socks off, since they (co-) created the very cool (free) game Enemy Territory. For more info on this upcoming studio, check out their site, and give Enemy Territory a try, if you haven't allready. www.splashdamage.com

  26. Amazon has pre-order for $49.99 and different date by DJFelix · · Score: 4, Informative
    Amazon.com has Doom 3 available for pre-order as well, with August 1, 2004 listed as the release date.

    Oddly enough, they also have Half Life 2 available as preorder as well listing September 1, 2004 ...

    They will even give you a deal if you pre-order both at the same time ... I'm not holding my breath.

  27. Not that this post matters... by devphaeton · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's ironic (this story comes up) in that a friend of mine recently duped me into installing and running quakeforge. I went along with it because my gf keeps telling me that i need to play more video games.

    It's hilarious. I have a fairly up-to-date athlonxp system w/ 512mb of ram, huge fast drives, a decent surround sound system and such, but since i'm not a huge FPS player, my video card is still the old STB Velocity 4400 (i.e. a RIVA TNT) from the k6-II that now serves files from my closet.

    I get about 17 FPS in fugly-graphics mode, but it cracks me up. I fire up the game and all of a sudden it is 1997 again. All i need now is Duke Nukem, Doom, Sim City Classic and HotelChat, and i get all those warm fuzzies i haven't felt since the days on the roommate's 486.

    w00t!

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  28. Doom 3 Uses OpenGL by SeinJunkie · · Score: 3, Informative
    IIRC, id had to write all of their own shaders for OpenGL, but are definitely not using DirectX. DirectX would have let them use the API's shaders, I believe, but OpenGL hadn't defined theirs yet. So, all of the shaders you see in Doom 3 were written in assembly code.

    Refer to this article for more information about the engine.

    1. Re:Doom 3 Uses OpenGL by Viking+Coder · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it was written in Direct3D, they would not have used built-in shaders. They would have been written in assembly code, too (PixelShaders 2.0 versus ARB_fragment_program is not that different). It's not like DirectX has something here that OpenGL does not.

      Everyone has to write all of their own shaders, at this point.

      Move along, folks - nothing to see here.

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  29. This is *so* wrong. by LordPixie · · Score: 4, Funny

    I went along with it because my gf keeps telling me that i need to play more video games.
    ...
    my video card is still the old STB Velocity 4400


    The geek with the gamer GirlFriend has a video card that's more than six years old !! What. The. Fuck. Any gamer knows that those things are meant to be upgraded every six months.

    This is why it's so hard for a gamer to find a decent girlfriend. They've all been stolen by people with 30 times as much system RAM as VRAM. I guess the size of your Video Card really doesn't matter !


    --LordPixie
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  30. Re:Doom 3 and the 30inch Cinema Display by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I think a "measly Radeon 9600" will be able to run D3 as well as HL2 just fine. The recent Doom 3 leaked Alpha runs on my Athlon 2600 / Radeon 9600 XT with perfectly acceptable rates. I can't actually see or adjust the detail level, but the default is still nice looking. I imagine that the retail version will have some tweaks and optimizations that will improve performance.

  31. Re:Question by Wyzard · · Score: 3, Informative

    "TCP/IP" refers to a family of networking protocols including IP, TCP, UDP, ARP, and less strictly, DNS and the routing protocols. So it's perfectly valid for a game to use UDP and say that it's using TCP/IP.

  32. Quake is still going strong! by Jagasian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some people still play old games. Chess for example has been played for hundreds of years. Quake... well it is only 8 years old, but it still has an active community of players, developers, competitions, etc.

    One reason that Quake is still going strong is because it is that Carmack open-sourced the game engine a few years ago. This has made it possible to update the game's technology. Sure it isn't as graphically intensive as modern games, but it isn't bad looking either. The most important thing in Quake is a high frame rate, which is quite easy considering the game's system requirements.

    So what are you waiting for?
    Download Quake! Note that you will need the two retail content ".pak" files to play on most servers. Carmack opened the game engine, not the game content (skins, sounds, levels, textures). However, the eQuake package comes with tons of free content, so you can still play, somewhat, without buying Quake.

    Join the community!

    Finally, you might ask, "Why play Quake"? Well, why play Chess? Some games are classics, and they are classics because they are fun. Quake is the best game for fast, furious gameplay. Unlike tactical shooters such as Counter-Strike, Quake is more concerned with fun fast paced action than realism. So if you want slow realistic, but sometimes boring gameplay - stay away from Quake.

    If you want fast, furious, chaotic and violent gameplay... Quake is your ticket to fun.

  33. Re:On Quake.. by Sigma+7 · · Score: 3, Informative
    What's with all the hating on Quake? I view it as *far* more atmospheric than Doom ever was.
    Mabye, but when I play games, I tend to look for gameplay more than eye candy. As a result, I hate games that tend to be dead simple on the hardest difficulty, as well as games that are impossible on easy. With Quake, the third dimention was a bonus - however, the monsters effectivly has the same AI as Doom - move towards player, but walk alonside a "wall" if you bump into one (where a wall indicates a high vertical slope up or down.)

    The first time around, it felt like they cut out the use command - didn't affect me to a degree, but I had a feeling that certain situations could arise where you accidently touch a button of certain death.

    After beating it on Hard, I tried nightmare mode - that difficulty option was hidden from view mainly because it is considered too hard for most players. However, there was really not much difference from Hard - the only changes would be the monsters firing or re-firing more frequenrly and the Shambler inflicting 10 more points of damage per shock. This is not much of a difference, since you can still dodge most attacks (they either don't have lead-ahead, or have predictable lead-ahead.)

    Mutliplayer was acceptable, provided that you knew that you should switch to W-A-S-D and to type "+mlook" in the console. Otherwise, you'll encounter situations where you will get creamed by other players even before you should even know that mouse looking is even possible.