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Linux Journal On Linux's Adoption In U.S. Courts

Sam Hiser writes "Tom Adelstein writes in Linux Journal that, technically, one-third of the U.S. Government has moved to Linux: its Third Branch, the Judiciary. That's 30,000 users across 800 locations, comprising the nation's Federal court system. Given our information overload, it's easy to miss the most significant kernels of news."

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  1. Wow! by neiras · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now let's see the US government follow in Germany's footsteps and directly sponsor the development of some critical piece of open-source software.

    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do you want open source to die?

    2. Re:Wow! by JimDabell · · Score: 5, Informative

      DARPA is the primary sponsor of ReiserFS 4. There's this other little thing called "the Internet" as well...

    3. Re:Wow! by presarioD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do you want open source to die?

      Seriously now, this is kind of scary. If Open Source ever "dominates" in the governmental sector, the impact it will have on the Open Source community will not be a trivial matter to consider.

      The worst thing that happend to socialism for example is that they actually got elected for government.

      New forces will be created in the Open Source community once it becomes mainstream and the temptation to "bend" GPL for more and more profit might be there. Of course you might argue that this will automatically exclude anybody that does it from the Open Source community but I am just wondering how the future might look 40 years from now...

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  2. Yay! by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now SCO owns the Judicial System..... what next, the Senate? ;)

    1. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Now SCO owns the Judicial System..... what next, the Senate? ;)

      I know you're being funny, but let me draw attentions to a significant detail: if courts grok Linux it will be far more difficult for "people" like Dearl to initiate such "operations" like the one we witness.

  3. Now that Linux is in the Courts... by spoonani · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can find Linux as the court stenographer. But he's just not transcripting dictated litigation. He's learning. He's adapting. Soon Linux will become the bailiff, judge, jury, court illustrator, public defender, janitor, and CourTV anchor.

    1. Re:Now that Linux is in the Courts... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Soon Linux will become the bailiff, judge, jury, court illustrator, public defender, janitor, and CourTV anchor.

      So what role does that leave for Microsoft? The executioner?

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  4. One can only hope... by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that the wide use of Linux in the court system will make judges just a little more skeptical of the legal antics that Microsoft will undoubtedly be throwing against it in the years ahead.

    1. Re:One can only hope... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, no, they DON'T have Word.

      I was just in the Federal Court Clerk's office here in San Francisco around the first of the month paying my restitution as I do every month.

      I happened to notice the clerk was keying a document in using WORDPERFECT - which STILL dominates the legal field. I even mentioned it to her, saying that too many legal WordPerfect macros exist to switch to Word. She laughed.

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    2. Re:One can only hope... by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      WordPerfect dominates the legal field partially because it counts footnotes and such in its word count feature. Court documents done with Word sometimes go over the limit and get bounced back from the courts summarily. This is bad. In fact, Judge Posner wrote an article warning against this troubling aspect of Microsoft Word.

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  5. Nothing but good news by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it is especially significant that Linux has been adopted by the Judicial branch which is both the most savvy branch (people hate Congress and the White House, but few hate the SCOTUS) and, constitutionally, the one given the most power over the other two. I look forward to an activist judge mandating that all branches must use Linux to adopt and maintain transparent government.

  6. Liability by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They must not be too worried about the SCO case, eh?

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  7. Misleading by moehoward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The slashdot writeup makes it sound like 30,000 desktops. Rather, this is just the servers , not their desktop machines. No big deal here, as we already know that Linux is often a preferred back end. Call me when a US corporation or government agency moves 30,000 desktop users to Linux.

    But my main point is that the slashdot writeup gives a false impression.

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  8. Woo hoo by adam.skinner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So our judicial system is moving from Solaris to Linux for their servers. This would have been a story of note had they put Linux on the desktop, but as it stands it hardly seems newsworthy. I mean, the multinational company I work for uses Linux on many of it's servers as well.

    Adoption of Linux as a server is one thing; adoption of Linux on the desktop for 30K is quite another...

  9. Have to be careful by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe this is all part of a secret Finnish plan for world domination.

  10. Best. Quote. Ever. by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:

    Finally, consider that while an allegation of copyright infringement exists in the Federal Courts today, those same courts have decided to migrate to the alleged perpetrator in that case. It's something to consider. As Søren Kierkegaard once said, "Irony is a disciplinarian feared only by those who do not know it, but cherished by those who do."

    Now, why on earth did I think about SCO reading this paragraph? ;-)

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  11. Check the math there, chester. by chumpieboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One third?

    One of three branches, yes.

    Those 30,000 users are a drop in the bucket when compared to the total number of Federal employees and offices.

    Will the slashdot readers be hypocrites or will they denounce FUD when it comes from Linux Journal? If Microsoft (or a journal that is focused on MS technology) had released a statement that "two-thirds of the US government runs MS software!" then there would be a huge shitstorm.

  12. I like this... by Richthofen80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because paying ZERO dollars for software means my government isn't spending any money when it doesn't have to, which means that I can keep more of my money instead of it going to taxes, right?

    right?

    (crickets chirping....)

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  13. I can't wait... by Electric+Monk · · Score: 5, Funny

    for SCO to start sueing the Courts for copyright infringement.

    SCO: "You owe us money!"
    AOUSC: "Prove it."
    SCO: "Pay up or we'll sue!"
    AOUSC: "Go on then."
    SCO: "Oh b...."

  14. What a load of crap. by Keebler71 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    technically, one-third of the US Government has moved to Linux:

    Uh, no.... technically one of the three branches of governement has moved to Linux. That is a far cry from the misleading assertion that "one-third" of the government has moved to linux.

    Of course, I can't find this quote anywhere in the actual article, so it must have been the "analysis" of the submitter. Isn't this the type of misleading claim we continuously beride MS for?

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  15. Gov't adoption is the good news by TheLoneCabbage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It doesn't much matter what branch of the govt uses it. At the end of the day the Gov't controls around 1/4 of the nation GDP. It controls how and where that's spent.

    ALLOT of money flows out of the gov't and stirs allot of industry. Especially durring recessions, that have been a classic time for gov't over spending, since FDR, to restimulate the economy.

    If you want that money, you will run what ever software the gov't tells you too. Ideologies aside you have a buisness to run. To be compatible with the gov't agencies is essentials.

    And as that money spreads out, to subcontractors, and support industries the chain of compatibilty does as well.

    I worked for 2 years for a company that did court document back up. They declared what their standards were. If we wanted the contract we did as we were told. And we chose the servers that meant the absolute least friction between start and support.

    This is a much bigger deal than just public relations.

    1. Re:Gov't adoption is the good news by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the only reason that a lot of money flows from government coffers into industry, is that these very same dollars have been extracted from some other industry, or directly from our pockets.

      Never make the mistake of believing that our government has any money to spend. It has only your money and mine, and it's not asking for permission nearly often enough.

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  16. One can only hope not by ScouseMouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From a purely impartial point of view, I certainly hope they dont let the use of underlying systems influence their decisions.

    The judicirary is supposed to be impartial. I think for the most part it is. I would like it to stay like that no matter whatever happens.

  17. Constitutionally the most power? by Millennium · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not so sure about that. The whole point of checks and balances is that each branch has some powers over the other two, but the other branches have powers over it as well.

    Let's take the Supreme Court, for example. You're probably referring to the power of judicial review: the ability to declare laws unconstitutional (this was actually never codified in the Constitution; it's an important legal tradition and perhaps ought to be codfied, but it is not). This is, in fact, a very important power. However, it is not unbalanced:

    1) Congress can override SCOTUS decisions. It takes a Constitutional amendment to do so (making the law constitutional by changing the Constitution to suit), and so it is very difficult, but it can be done.

    2) The executive branch appoints justices. It's a little-known fact that even SCOTUS justices can be impeached and removed from office, even though they otherwise hold life terms; this has never been done, but it is possible.

    3) The SCOTUS cannot act of its own volition; it must be called upon before it can do anything. The Executive and legislative branches have limited power, but they can use (most of) those powers at will; the SCOTUS is powerless unless actually called on by one of the other branches, or by the people.

    This is the whole point of checks and balances: no one branch is self-policing, no one branch has unlimited power, and most of the actions of one branch can be undone (though not easily) by at least one of the other branches. The idea is to fight corruption on two fronts: one, by reducing its ability to form, and two, limiting its ability to do damage even when it does form. It's actually a pretty well-designed system, at least on that score.

  18. Re:Strange by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Assuming you are from the USofA you *do* get to vote for them.
    OK, it might by indirect but it's *your* vote for Congress and The President that eventually get's you the Supreme Court's judges.

    So next time get registered, go voting and stop moaning!

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  19. WordPerfect by justanyone · · Score: 4, Insightful


    It's a widely recognized fact that most of the legal community (law firms, etc.) used to use WordPerfect. I'm unsure of the current situation given WP's decline in popularity due to domination by MSOffice.

    However, if whoever owns WordPerfect now (Corel? Novell? Underpants Gnomes?) would re-issue it on Linux, and provide favorable licensing to allow it to run from the server to the desktop nicely, many legal offices and courts that currently use WordPerfect could move to Linux far easier than to MSOffice. It would be a change of OS and NOT a change of application.

    Any lawyers out there that can comment on what software (especially larger) legal firms are using, and on what platforms, and for what reasons?

    I would wager that another large tipping-point factor would be how Lexus and Nexus are used. If they operate via a web portal instead of a fat client (Lawyers? Paralegals? Anyone know?) then making sure they operate nicely on Linux is a key adoption factor. IBM, are you listening? Law firms might like a suite of applications specially tailored to their needs, and they don't mind paying for high functionality if it gets them ease of use (not being typically technofiles).

    Also, billing software, the back-office function of legal offices, might benefit from some kind of scheduling application that keeps track of which case someone's researching and thus bills time to that case in an easy manner.

    An ex-lawyer friend of mine (now works as NOC designer for Siemens) mentioned what a pain in the butt it was to itemize his timesheet (bill) for 10 minute segments of his time, espeically if he was making lots of calls. Make a better application and they will love you (again, IBM or Novell, you have options here... and not only for US court systems).

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