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DNS Inventor Predicts Future of the Internet

afra242 writes "BBC News has an interesting article which discusses what Dr Paul Mockapetris, the creator of DNS, thinks about what the Internet will be in the near future. He states that currently, we are in the Bronze Age of the Internet and phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses."

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  1. He's predicting what already exists! by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, as head scientist and chairman of Nominum, a DNS management company, he has been reflecting on how the net has grown up.

    The father of DNS and a scientist working at a DNS management company believes that everything will be controlled by a DNS-like system, absolutely unbelievable!

    We have these things called bookmarks... People rarely remember web-addresses as it is. I know that entirely too many people believe their entire "Internet" is their homepage (while working for ATTBI during the @Home changeover I *personally* received several calls from concerned people that their Internet was gone and replaced by this "ATT BY" thing as their homepage had changed from home.excite.com to www.attbi.com). I would venture to say that most people get their information from a handful of sites and don't bother to remember much other than google.com or yahoo.com. I know that I get most of my information from a handful of remembered sites and I consider myself a bit more Internet savvy than the average user.

    "It is quite possible that phone numbers will have disappeared and people will just use menus off their phone. I don't think there is particular value in having them."

    He theorizes something that already exists! So instead of bookmarks for phone numbers we have these things called address books. You look up someone's name in there and you click on it. It dials. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for showing us the way!

    He's no longer a visionary. He's just pretending to be one. What he did for us changed the Internet from the start. This article on the other hand means nothing as it already exists in popular form.

    1. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by Elecore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but I don't think you're right. Just because technology exists, doesn't mean it's mainstream. Sure, the ideas are there, but I still look phone numbers up in the phonebook when I have to make calls by dialing the number into my phone. His prediction is that this will change. THAT IS A CHANGE! Sure, VoIP exists now, that doesn't mean somebody who predicts it will completely replace all current phone systems is pretending. I could predict VoIP falls through due to network costs (I doubt it, but it's possible). Just because the technology exists, doesn't mean it's used by everybody.

    2. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He described ideals. You described current attempts at meeting those ideals. You may have menus on your phone for commonly-dialed friends, family, and businesses, but you still had to put in the numbers at least once.

    3. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I doubt that will work. Especially when you use that particular example... Working in a field where I deal w/common names on an everyday basis I realize just how awful that would be.

      Sorry but that's not going to work, ever.

    4. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by Sir+dies+alot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No matter what happens there will always be the "first to adopt" and those that hang on to their set ways forever.

      While this may seem true, the evidence just isn't there to support your claim. If that statement were true, we'd have people using hand-crank powered cars right along side the new hybrid ones. Simple preferences can be and are replaced by innovation. Though it doesn't happen overnight. I still know of businesses that don't use computers. Eventually those who are set in their ways die (I'm simply stating fact, not trying to offend anyone) and are replaced by people that don't remember the things that are now outdated. If you don't believe me take a record into a elementary school classroom and I guarantee someone will ask you what the "big cd" is for. While I personally don't think all of the article's predictions will come true, I can't just say they won't because people are set in their ways.

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    5. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IOW, turn a simple 10 second dialing process into an, expensive, time consuming process that would take 60-120 seconds.

      That is just stupid.

    6. Re:He's predicting what already exists! by Kristoph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... however I don't think we'll be abolishing #s entirely. After all you have to put the # in your address book to begin with in order to dial by name in the phone book ...

      I think the point of the article was that phone numbers will be replaced with domain names so you could, say, enter a URL, which which would suffice to call you girlfriend.

      You would have to remember you girlfiends URL, but presumably this would be easier then her number.

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  2. And? by KrisCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    currently, we are in the Bronze Age of the Internet and phones will be phased out completely, to be replaced by web addresses
    And web addresses will be replaced by? What after IPv6?

  3. So what? by Mz6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sheesh, what makes him such an expert on predicting the future of the Internet? Further, i'm not so sure I would call anything of what he said a prediction.

    Prediction 1: He wants web addresses to replace phone numbers.

    "It is quite possible that phone numbers will have disappeared and people will just use menus off their phone. I don't think there is particular value in having them."

    Isn't this pretty much already happening now? With the advent of cell phones and even home phones that allow phone book storage, this already happens. There are people that don't even remember their HOME phone number because they always pull it from the menu on their cell phone, or use voice-activated dialing.

    "Searching and finding people are certainly the two areas that still need to develop further, according to Dr Mockapetris, and replacing numbers with web addresses will help that, he says"

    I'm not so sure I follow. Google has become so successful because of their search technology. With billions of webpages and websites, and probably even more billions of phone numbers, how is that going to help? It's still tough to find web addresses with easy to remember names these days. Atleast with Google it makes it much easier.

    Prediction 2: Access for all, Security

    "Although advanced countries are at the point where most people have net access in one form or another, much still needs to be done so that every man, woman and child on the planet has it all of the time, he says. Permanent net connection through broadband has meant the physical infrastructure is almost there, taking us a step towards the Iron Age. "

    Wasn't this already introduced a couple years ago? Since the advent of broadband, it has been the goal of changinging everything over to that and giving access to all. However, I think it's something that is going to happen a lot sooner than we think, thanks in part to wi-fi. Wi-fi is becoming increasingly popular with everyone these days from hotels, cafes, even in parks. Thankfully, he did point out that security needs to be tightened up before a lot of this goes mainstream.

    "Part of the challenge for the net's next 21 years is to make sure people can be certain they are using the net safely. At the moment, many net users are unable to recognise if the e-mail they have been sent from their "bank" is dodgy or not. "Creating a model of when things are safe and not, will have to happen in cyberspace."

    Correct... This is more than likely going to be the next big explosion on the net (behind searching of course). But I just wish it would actually happen in the right order. Get the security practices down, then introduce access for all, but make sure they can understand it first.

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  4. Yeah! by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Next time people ask my phonenumber I'll tell them "phone@jawtheshark.com" or if they want my cell it'll be "gsm@jawtheshak.com". Now, I'll just have to wait until the telcos comply with that scheme ;-)

    But seriously, isn't it already that way? I only know two phone numbers: my cellphone and my normal phone. If I want to call someone I just look up their name in my "phonebook" on my cell or phone and I click "call". So in some way we already have the thing he talks about. You could consider the phonebook function in modern phones as an equivalent to a local "hosts" file.

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  5. Re:In the FUTURE... by Paster+Of+Muppets · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then when the pipe breaks, and everything crashes, what do you do? At least with everything split up into different services, you can cope if one or two go t**s up. If everything is provided through the same method, and something happens to it, you're kinda screwed. At least you would only have to complain to one company though...

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  6. If I invented DNS... by Sanity · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...I'm not so sure I would brag about it.

    Lets think about this. This is the guy that saw the Internet (or what became the Internet) and decided that the one thing this wonderful new decentralized network needed was a highly centralized system for mapping host names to IP addresses - thus eventually creating all the problems we are now experiencing with ICANN?

    And we should respect his opinion why?

    1. Re:If I invented DNS... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Lets think about this. This is the guy that saw the Internet (or what became the Internet) and decided that the one thing this wonderful new decentralized network needed was a highly centralized system for mapping host names to IP addresses - thus eventually creating all the problems we are now experiencing with ICANN?

      And we should respect his opinion why?

      ...so lemme get this straight--because the centralized system this guy designed is being abused by unscrupulous individuals (decades after the fact, I might add,) he should be ashamed of himself and derided by the public?

      I suppose you'd gouge your eyes out with a plastic fork and bathe in acid if you were Eric Allman--and I perish to think of what you'd do if you were Tim Berners-Lee. After all, these guys are ultimately responsible for creating the systems that are so horribly abused by spammers, scammers, and pornographers, right? What weight could their words possibly carry today?

      Heck, why respect Donald Knuth's opinion? After all, many of the topics covered in The Art of Computer Programming are essential to address harvesters, zombie DDoS applications, and every single worm and virus ever written. Or Alan Turing--that man has, like, zero credibility, seeing as if it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't even have ICANN, k1dd13s, spam, hackers, et cetera!

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    2. Re:If I invented DNS... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You realize that without the people behind ICANN, IANA and IETF, you wouldn't have the protocols that make the internet possible and would still be dialing into BBS's, right?

      Allllll those problems. Like, what, that the system was able to scale from 250 hosts in 1982 to 1,000,000 in 1992 to 171,000,000 in 2002 -- and it WORKED? Oh man, these guys were IDIOTS!

      Right.

  7. Forget the Bronze Age of the Internet by southpolesammy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Some cultures in the world are still in the Bronze Age -- period. What good is ubiquitous Internet connectivity to a people that are comparatively primitive?

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    1. Re:Forget the Bronze Age of the Internet by pilkul · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Some cultures in the world are still in the Bronze Age -- period.

      Not really. Many people in the world are certainly very poor (though I'm still not sure if they've got it as bad as those living 2000 years ago), but modern technology has an influence even in the poorest countries. WHO vaccines for polio, malaria etc have reached even the most godforsaken countries of Africa, resulting in a considerable increase (something close to doubling, IIRC) in life expectancy in poor countries over the past hundred years. Poor people also often have access to modern materials to build their shacks, modern crossbred seeds for their little farms, etc. Of course, the influence of technology is not entirely positive --- it would be better if the warlords didn't have machine guns --- but I'm just saying that comparing today's poor countries with the Bronze Age isn't accurate.

      What good is ubiquitous Internet connectivity to a people that are comparatively primitive?

      It does sound silly at first sight to give wireless Internet access to people in abject poverty, but I think it would actually do them a lot of good. Imagine if we could distribute cheap Internet access stations to the poor --- they would have instant access to a giant wealth of information and education. Many people in poor countries have not had any primary education, and don't even know things that we consider incredibly basic and obvious. For example, they might not know that boiling water helps to kill germs and prevent disease, or that sex communicates AIDS. One of the most popular and important books in the world is a little UN booklet distributed in Africa that explains such basic concepts (I don't remember what it was called); it's been said that that booklet has saved thousands of lives.

      The Internet would also help them to read about such things as politics and democracy, which would help reform the bad regimes in the poor parts of the world (which are a primary cause of poverty). Finally, better communication systems would assist them with making their own businesses. I think that one of the best things we can do for the poor is to provide them with access to more information.

  8. Welcome to Planet Earth by Mark_Uplanguage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Paper, snail mail, hiking boots and such will always exist as needed elements of human life. Thesse predictions are not only short sighted of how it deepens the gap between the have and have nots, but the driving forces in evolution of computer technology are Military and Gaming IMHO. The driving force in real world implementation is probably the online porn industry. And as always the prime force against most of what Dr. Mockapetris states is privacy concerns. Otherwise projects like this April Fools note would already be underway. Note that my information is just as scientific as his predictions :)

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  9. Affirmation!!! by ColdCoffee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a step in the direction that I have been asserting (much to the chagrin of those who have to listen to my nerd-like ramblings) to all my friends and co-workers: "Soon, we will all be assigned IP addresses at birth". Now that, my friends, IS the future!

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  10. Phone numbers won't dissappear because.. by menem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is the form factor of the cell phone. Cell phones typically have a numeric keypad to keep the size reasonable. The easiest way to input a phone number is to enter numbers.

    The biggest current trend is that everyone is switching to wireless phones. Most people don't want to carry around a phone large enough to contain a keyboard. Voice recognition works well only for words that are commonly used. For weird IP addresses, you would have to say each letter one at a time.

    Imagine you meet somebody. You want to store his/her phone number your phone book on your cell phone. Which is easier? Typing 820-833-5214 or typing a 16 letter word into your 10 button keypad?

    1. Re:Phone numbers won't dissappear because.. by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you ever thought about speaking a 16-letter word? or maybe there will be a button that automatically sends a contact card over from phone to phone.

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    2. Re:Phone numbers won't dissappear because.. by i-Chaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are already people in different parts of the world who use "texting" (SMS) so much that they can touch-type on a cellphone relatively quickly. I would say that the only drawback to the single-button keypad system is that it either requires up to three strokes to enter a character, or uses a menu to select words in a predictive-text input system, which requires more user intervention. If, however, someone creates a chorded keypad system for cellphone input, speeds can improve dramatically. I would estimate that, with about a week or two of training, one would possibly type 30-40wpm on a cellphone, which is not at all bad.

      On this chorded keypad system, I already have some preliminary ideas. The face of the phone will probably have the same 9-key keypad, or have a 8 directional rocker (kind of like a digital version of the analog controller on game systems, but shorter). The back would have three shift buttons that will change the current character selection within the current key. So, using the current T9 mapping, Index Finger (on the back) + the 2 key will give you A, Middle + 2 will give you B, and your third finger (sorry, forgot the name) + 2 will give you C. This system (thumb + three finger chords) seemed to work well for Abacus users of an older age, so it's already proven that users can input this stuff pretty fast. The only problem is to make this mainstream enough for all cellphone makers to incorporate it into the phones.

      And, hey, if you don't like it, you can just turn the option off. Or, you can even remove the back keypad via removing the keypad and using a different faceplate! Should NOT be a problem. Nokia should really start thinking outside the box and making useful things, instead of making stupid LED "messages in the air" type gadgets. I can imagine that this system would use no more resources than T9 predictive text.

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  11. Goes without saying... by SkyWalk423 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Celebrating DNS's 21st birthday he says: "Ten years from now, we will look back at the net and think how could we have been so primitive."

    I only R part of TFA, but I noticed this quote immediately. This doesn't seem like much of an insight to me. Of course we'll look back on it and laugh, isn't that how it always goes? We used to drive covered wagons pulled by horses on dirt roads. It's quaint now, but back then they were at the edge of technology. All (er... most) of us here know that the network infrastructure is weak and likely won't carry us much further in its existing state, but rest assured, we'll get there. One step at a time, that's the way it's always been.

  12. Re:We are not where we think by mjh · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The idea that the entire world has our standard of living is simply false.

    You're right. But so what? Just because a large group of people in the world live at a standard of living well below our own does not mean we should stop envisioning, anticipating, and planning for the next advances in our standard of living.

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  13. Re:Bronze Age? by DanoTime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then we - the representation of the Beaker People (Slashdot) have to know that history will repeat and the Battle-Axe People (MPAA+RIAA) will overtake.

  14. Not the future. by ryen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While Dr. Mockapetris believes that de-numberizing the way we remember/contact people is the way of the future, I believe this does nothing to further help the much needed cause of finding people, places, things. THAT, I believe, is the way of the future, and "doing away with phone numbers" simply does not help that.

    "It is quite possible that phone numbers will have disappeared and people will just use menus off their phone. I don't think there is particular value in having them."
    Did he forget what his DNS is even based on? no matter how many layers of indirection he places on top of the current system, you can't replace the fact that people need to be identified uniquely in one way or another. If he believes a person can be remembered more easily by myphone@whatever.com (or whatever other convention he uses other than phone numbers) he still misses the point on how we obtain these names/numbers in the first place.

    When reading this article, i've tried to forget the fact that he has his own DNS management company now, yet his inisistence on building an "alternative" phone-numbering infrastructure and using his clout of being "the father of DNS" only hints that he really has no new "vision" of the future and is trying to profit on whatever soon-to-be-outdated technology he happened to invent.

    DNS certainly helped the internet grow enourmously.. but if you think about it now, its really not needed as much any more other than advertising.
    Alternative forms of gathering your bookmarks/phone contacts/unknowns is the future.

  15. Re:is it me or... by RosebudLTD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's because you are a student.

    When I was a student, I don't think I picked up a phone more than a handful of times.

    But consider the environment... Most of my friends lived in the same dorm floor. If not, I'd see them in class or at whatever extracurricular activity we had in common. My girlfriend lived less than five minutes away, in another dorm. All of our classes and activities were five minutes away, at most. Thee was at least a small computer lab in almost every building. I had an ethernet connection to a great backbone pipe in my room. A two-minute walk in any direction would take you past two dining halls, a sandwich truck, a few fast food stops, a convienence store, two liquor shops, and four bars.

    Hell, the only reason to use a phone was to call home for money, or to order a pizza (and a couple of the local places since started offering order-by-web and order-by-email).

    Fast-forward five years, to a more 'real-life' setting. I spend a lot of time on the road, travelling to clients homes... the majority of them don't have good internet or any connection at all, and usually when I'm there I'm too busy to use it. Without a cell phone, noone would ever be able to find me when I'm in the field.

    Half the time, though, I work at home, and that gives me access to high speed internet, instant messaging, and all the other trappings of a geek's house. Nifty. But it doesn't really matter...

    My wife and several of my friends have email at work, but are generally too busy to send more than a short message, once every few hours. They'd never be able to get away with instant messaging.

    A few more of my friends either don't have internet access (even at home) or check their email only once a week. If you are trying to hear from them, you HAVE to call them, or you never will.

    In 'real life', most folks have started to rely on the cell phone in their pocket, or at least religiously check their voice mail / the answering machine when they come home.

  16. Re:Experienced Failures by RosebudLTD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll bet the first users of telephones said something like that, the first time the switchboard stopped working.

    As greater dependance on the system arises, the incentives to strengthen the system grow as well.

    Just don't (power grid) pay attention (phone system) to our track record.

  17. What prediction? by dfj225 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I read the title of the submission, I thought that there might be some unique incite into the future of the internet, but this article was exremely lacking. The only real prediction that he makes is that all voice calls will be routed over the internet. I guess that is an easy prediction with all of the working in VOIP. However, I was hoping he would have something more interesting to say, not simply just saying that there is a lot more room for innovation.

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  18. I don't think DNS is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think DNS is the answer.

    The problem with DNS is this: No "fuzzy" matching. DNS does not have Google's ability to spell-check names. SO, yes, DNS is good for making things a little easier to remember, but other technology should be used for things like voice matching, etc.