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Time to Try a Linux Desktop?

bigbadwlf writes "EWeek has an opinion column, posted yesterday titled, Isn't Now the Time to Try a Linux Desktop? Quote: 'The crackers currently have the whip hand over Windows, and Microsoft's assertion that Internet Explorer is now part of the operating system shows its flawed reasoning. Worried sick about the latest rash of Internet Explorer security problems? I have the perfect solution for you, one that's even better than switching to Mozilla, Firefox or Opera. Switch operating systems: Go to Linux.'"

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  1. Does it make much sense, though? by krem81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people who are constantly getting hit with viruses, spyware, IE holes, etc. are exactly the kind of people who would have a hard time getting used to and accepting Linux. Most of the potential switchers (like me, for instance) already have their Windows boxes well-protected. There needs to be a better reason than just "it's not Windows" to entice me to convert.

    1. Re:Does it make much sense, though? by mini+me · · Score: 5, Insightful
      considering OO is one of the very few applications that doesn't come with a windows Installer.

      It did use a Windows installer. You can ignore the ZIP step and I've still described just about every Windows application installation procedure.

      First, you need to configure apt-get to point to a server that has OO

      I didn't.

      Secondly, you need to switch to root to install

      Okay, sudo apt-get install openoffice.org. You have to switch to an Administrator in Windows, so I figured that point was not pertenent.

      Thirdly, unless I'm mistaken, you need to manually set up KDE/Gnome links or create a desktop link.

      Not on my system I didn't.

      I won't switch to a purely Linux machine until I don't have to mess around with text config files anymore.

      I hear this all the time. I can't think of any text files I need to modify, ever.
  2. Remember BSD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about trying a FreeBSD desktop instead of Linux?

  3. Isn't it a little early... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... to be pushing the Linux desktop? I'm a linux user, have been for quite a while, and am trying to get my parents and friend using it. However, Linux STILL has many problems that keep it from being THE OS choice for everyone, even once you get around the user-friendliness issues (having not tried any of the more polished desktop distros, I can't comment on these issues.) Application compatibility: Many people use crummy applications that don't stand a chance for porting to Linux. Pinnacle, my mother's video editor of choice, comes to mind. Also, some people, though there are better pieces of alternative software, still are so stuck on their old apps, they refuse to switch to a superior alternative Hardware Compatibility: Every time I go out to buy a piece of hardware, or even to go drool over the latest pieces of hardware, I find myself thinking first, "Can Linux support this yet?" This creates a problem for the user that wants to go out, buy a peripheral, plug it in, and have it work. I'm not saying Linux won't be ready for the desktop very soon (because I think it will be QUITE soon,) but I just think that perhaps now is a little early to say "Switch to Linux. Like, now."

  4. Broken link? Here's the fix. by colonslashslash · · Score: 5, Informative
    From TFA:

    Security Center Editor Larry Seltzer takes a different view of the bug in Mozilla on Windows. Click here to read more.

    I'm clicking but I'm not getting any reading. I assume this is the same for everyone else. For anyone who wants to read the article that wasn't linked properly, check here:

    Larry Seltzer on Mozilla Flaw

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  5. To truly compete... by metalligoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To truly compete against Windows, GNU/Linux needs to have a line of hardware, clearly marked, that it will work flawlessly with. Big distros like Suse and Mandrake need to focus on courting hardware companies to prominantly mark their products with Tux. Period.

    Not just desktop computers, either. You need to have everything from laptops to USB thumb drives to MP3 players to digital cameras and camcorders. Your computer IS your digital hub.

    Linux users need to get in the habit of acting like Mac users. They don't have the hardware support, so they need to make it blatantly obvious what hardware does work with their platform.

    The other big thing Linux needs to survive (other than Quicken and TurboTax) is Office VBA compatibility. In the Enterprise, this is essential. There are plenty of BASICs out there, why hasn't OO.org incorporated one of them?

  6. It Happens by soloport · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just two days ago, a marketing VP I know called to bash Microsoft. He'd lost "thousands of e-mail addresses" (he's not a spammer, just well-connected) because he had answered "Ok" when Windows asked if he wanted to "repair" something.

    He wanted me to walk him through installing Linux, right then and there -- over the phone. So I did. I said, "Well, what I recommend is you get your feet wet, first". I Asked him how he used his laptop; What were the applications he couldn't live without; What were the ones he liked but could live without, etc.

    Then I said, "You know, all the applications you mention are ones that will run on both Linux and Windows. Why don't you download and install them, first on Windows, get to know them and then switch all the way to Linux, once you've adjusted?".

    He agreed to give my recommendation a try, and that was it. Storm calmed. About an hour later, he called back to say he'd found the file containing his address book and had "reconnected it to Outlook". Problem solved.

    Seems like, recently, I've run into more and more awareness of (at least the word) Linux. It's becoming a great "save" me" point when clients get frustrated with Windows. They just want to give Microsoft the big heave-ho! And, though I and everyone in my home and office have been Microsoft-free since 1998, I find myself talking people out of taking the plunge.

    I wish there was a distribution that gave me the confidence I need to recommend it. Since all I know is DEC, Solaris and RedHat/Fedora, perhaps I should buy a copy of Linspire and try it out -- for clients' sake. Any other suggestions for helping people transition?

  7. Re:Linux? by dignome · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's the OS all your Windows applications and games won't run on...
    That is going a little overboard. Especially with the current status of wine and the company maintaining a seperate branch of wine bent on gaming.

    Wine HQ
    TransGaming Technologies
  8. What if I run FireFox and OpenOffice? by khasim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will those run on Linux?

  9. Re:Linux? by It'sYerMam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Unfortunately, the quick evolution of Linux does mean that things need to be redone pretty quickly, also.
    Personally, I'd rather have new stuff come out, fixing the bugs (which is what the articles about) and providing new features not available in Windows-land, instead of having my OS sit around in a pile of its own security-weaknesses and have old, buggy, cranky, obselete programs from '91.

    Personally, I find that Windows XP has serious issues running anything that needs DOS emulation, while there are sometimes no modern alternatives. On the other hand, linux hackers release new apps almost as quick as the kernel hackers, so we're alright. Sure, this may not suit a corporation, but hey, for the moment it's alright for the user.

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  10. Re:Ask yourself by Eric+Damron · · Score: 5, Informative

    "They'll want actual reasons to switch."

    Did you even read the Slashdot story to which this thread is related? The reason to switch is that IE is integrated into Microsoft's OS and Microsoft is incapable of securing their OS because of it! Even if you run a diffrent browser on a Microsoft OS, IE is integrated so that parts of it that may be subject to attack are being used by other parts of the OS. This forces you to apply patch after patch after patch to keep half a step ahead of the bad guys.

    Seems like an "actual reason" to me!

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  11. Re:Linux? by nmk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I sincerely believe that what is keeping Linux off the desktop is Linux developers themselves. Their focus is completely wrong. Take a company like Apple for example. When they develop any piece of software, their primary focus is the interface. They first try to make the GUI as easy to use as possible, so a normal user can access all the functions of the software in an intuitive manner. The software is then written to facilitate the GUI. Howerver, first and foremost, it is Apples policy that a user should NEVER have to see a CLI.

    Linux developers, on the other hand, have the opposite approach. They write software to perform a certain function, without much concern for the GUI. The GUI is later added out of necessity, with a clumsy attempt to twist it so that it can acommodate software that was written primarily with the CLI in mind. This is one of the reasons Linux users turn to the CLI so often. The GUI simply fails to do what it should do at times.

    I personally find it unbelievable that in the year 2004, there is still an operating system where you actually have to use a CLI to install a device driver. I mean, I haven't had to do that since the days of DOS. Linux may be a great OS, but there has to be a complete reversal in the approach to designing software if it is to be accepted in the general population.

    Look at OS X. A fully functional UNIX CLI exists. However, most Mac users will never see it. It is as transparent as it was in the days of OS 9 (when there was no CLI). As long as Linux is a OS developed by geeks for geeks it will never penetrate the desktop market.

  12. Let's face it! by presarioD · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The year of Linux will come around when:
    1. Hardest part of installation in brand new desktop/laptop will be inserting the CD in CD drive.
    2. Hardest part of repairing will be inserting the CD in CD drive and click "Repair Linux".
    3. All hardware will be fully supported and "plug'n'play"ed.
    4. Update distribution center for given distro will resolve dependencies and fetch everything necessary for proper package installation (not compilation!).
    5. Command prompt will be optional. (Yes I know how superior you command-prompters feel to the click-click crowd).
    6. Everybody will be able to login, use the internet, mail, listen to music, write documents and so on and so forth without even knowing what an .rpm or an .mp3 or a .wav file is or what package compilation or even worse kernel compilation are all about.

    Let's face it I don't have to be a car mechanic to drive a car for my convenience so I don't have to be a CS graduate in order to be able to use my computer. Most people (the VAST majority of the MS crowd) don't care! That's right, they don't care about CS, about linux, about MS, about IE about anything. Why should they care? When was the last time a car dealer sold you a car on the condition that you'll take car-mechanic classes or crash-courses or enlist to online support forums? People buy a computer to use it for their job or convenience right out of the box. The rest is intellectual wars from people that are personally involved in IT or CS or Tech Science in general and assume some sort of importance by declaring their preferences.

    What MS created and keeps creating is an OS that even that last computer illiterate can use with no problem. It has gone a long way that way but now it is time for them to reverse a bit and patch up the security holes they user-friendly OS architecture created.

    Linux on the other hand started from the other end by creating a robust system on a solid architecture and slowly crawling to user-friendliness. The year Linux will meet with MS midway will be the year of the Linux.

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