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The iPod Gets WiFi, Sort Of

thecounterfeit writes "Engadget has a story on Pocketster Pro, a new application that lets you add WiFi to the iPod. The catch? You have to connect it to a Pocket PC with both USB Host capability and WiFi first, but once it's up and running you can wirelessly swap tunes with any other similarly equipped iPods."

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  1. In a related story by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a related story, an iPod can carry 490 passengers from New York to Sydney, Australia. The catch? You have to put it inside a Boeing 747 ....

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    1. Re:In a related story by System.out.println() · · Score: 3, Funny

      this is Slashdot. I think I speak for most of the people here when I say "Priorities? wtf?"

    2. Re:In a related story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      What the hell is wrong with you people? George Bush has asked Congress for the power to suspend the presidential elections and you people can only talk about iPods? Get some priorities for fuck's sake!

      As long as Apple gets a G5 Powerbook out before next summer I couldn't care less. Democracy is an illusion anyway, but Macs are a way of life.

  2. This is too fucked up. by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Funny

    The thing only works with Pocket PCs? How ironic is that? Apple's latest brainchild, co-opted by Windows CE hackers, to do something so geeky that only Unix nerds would want to do it... my head is spinning. Part of me says "Wow, this is cool", but an equally large part says "EW, Windows!"... I'm so lost and confused.

    1. Re:This is too fucked up. by SpooForBrains · · Score: 4, Insightful
      to do something so geeky that only Unix nerds would want to do it
      Oh yes, transferring twelve new CDs from your mate's iPod to yours wirelessly. Clearly something only "Unix nerds" want to do.
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    2. Re:This is too fucked up. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it brings up the question... who owns both an iPod and a Pocket PC?

    3. Re:This is too fucked up. by 0racle · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unix nerds would alreay be doing it with a very small shell script.

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    4. Re:This is too fucked up. by metalligoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plenty of people like the PocketPC because it has an interface superior to the Palm, and the OS is less buggy. I'm a long time Apple user and I think PocketPC is one of two things M$ has ever done right. My last PDA was a PocketPC, my current is a Treo, but my next will be a PocketPC again. Palm sucks.

      This post is coming to you from my OS X iBook.

    5. Re:This is too fucked up. by iamacat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Plenty of people like the PocketPC because it has an interface superior to the Palm, and the OS is less buggy

      This could go either way. Why should programs I close on PPC just hang around in the background until I run out of memory and kill them through Start/Settings/System/Memory/Running Programs?

      But mostly both Palm and PPC suck, especially when it comes to developing software. Sun 3 with a 68K processor, 8MB of ram and 100MB hard drive was a usable development machine with a standard C++ compiler - exceptions and all, on-"device" debugger, an easy to use UI toolkit (XView) and lots more. For todays 400Mhz XScale PDAs with 256MB RAM, I would settle for an equivalent functionality from remote. But no, we get crippled compilers (CE), ridiculous heap sizes (Palm) and tedious UI programming (both, although .Net is making a dent).

  3. Holy battery drainer, batman! by Shoeler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see - my iPaq with wifi gets maybe 1.5-2 hours of playtime.

    Add USB usage and that's gotta drop - at least a little.

    Add processing for data transfer.

    Add external battery.

    Call this a novelty, I will.

  4. The catch? by yawhcihw · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'll be clubbed to death by any Apple evangelist who sees you doing this...

  5. Newton... by Rgb465 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad the Apple Newton didn't come with WiFi... ;)

    1. Re:Newton... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Informative
      Too bad the Apple Newton didn't come with WiFi... ;)

      It didn't come with it, but the good news is, you can run a Newton with WiFi!

      You can do it two ways:

      I'm currently using a Farallon PN595 hooked up to a wireless ethernet bridge, so I have access to my contacts and notes through NPDS using a web browser.
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  6. Aireo 802.11 Interface Works Today by wyngarth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SoniqCast's Aireo player already has 802.11b (11Mb) integrated already. Interesting option to download files to it while it's sitting in your car. Interesting quirk however, is that it doesn't take DRM-protected files. SoniqCast says they're working on it. Good think I still have all my P2P files...

  7. Re:How is this possible? by ischorr · · Score: 3, Informative

    While the iPod can play copy-protected files, the protection that Apple uses currently allows protected files to play on an unlimited number of iPods.

    The iPod can, however, also play unprotected MP3s and AAC files.

  8. iPod + iBook by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't we just connect iPod to a iBook, which conects to a AirPort? This will keep everything in the same franchise :)

  9. Heresy by supercytro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple products working with Microsoft products? What vile heresy is this?

  10. It might be more useful if... by proxima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As far as I'm aware, there's no way to connect two iPods directly to each other. If you could use a small USB hub and a pocket PC to bridge the two, I could see that being a lot more useful than having two PocketPCs, each equipped with wifi adapters.

    Just a thought.

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  11. Crystal Ball of Real Slim Shady? by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If wirelessly beaming songs between iPods is popular, wouldn't Apple develop something to fill the need rather quickly?

    Do all these 'Get-Around-Something' companies just try to make a quick profit before the "Real Slim Shady" comes into play? Or do they actually have a bright future?

  12. Why not just connect it to a laptop... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With either a Mac or Windows laptop, the iPod can be mounted as a drive and then shared... which is all that's really going on here anyway. That's just functionality of the OS, no extra software needed.

    Of course, this is Slashdot where we like to do things the hard way...

    1. Re:Why not just connect it to a laptop... by Graff · · Score: 3, Informative
      you cannot download songs from an iPod onto a computer (without 3rd party software)

      Sure you can. Plug the iPod in. Open up a terminal window. Type in (replacing iPodName with the actual name of the iPod):
      ditto --rsrc /Volumes/iPodName/iPod_Control/Music/ ~/Desktop/Music/
      I'm using the ditto command (a standard shell tool that comes with Mac OS X) because it properly preserves data forks and file metadata. You can use any copying tool you want, but some may not get all of the filesystem metadata. The files will still play fine but they might lose custom icons and stuff like that. No big deal either way.

      You can copy the files directly through the Finder but that's a little tougher since the Music directory is an invisible folder. There are ways of making it visible but its just easier to use the Terminal.

      By the way, it's more fun to use this command because then you can see each file listed as it is copied:
      ditto --rsrc -V /Volumes/iPodName/iPod_Control/Music/ ~/Desktop/Music/
      When the copy operation is finished you'll have a folder named Music on your Desktop (assuming Mac OS X here). Just import the whole folder into iTunes - much easier because the files are sorted in a way that doesn't make much sense at a first glance (the folders are a type of hash that makes it easy for the iPod to find a song quickly against an internal table).
  13. An inevitable evolution of bluetooth phones by ehack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An inevitable evolution of bluetooth phones is going to be P2P. Tell your phone what you're looking for, go for a walk on campus, or have coffee at starbucks, and it'll be there when you get back home. The phones eg. P800 can already be used for listening to MP3s, and they can be programmed in Java and C++, it's only a matter of month till we get fully integrated Bluetooth P2P.

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  14. The odds... by ElGuapoGolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The catch? You have to connect it to a Pocket PC with both USB Host capability and WiFi first, but once it's up and running you can wirelessly swap tunes with any other similarly equipped iPods.

    What are the odds that 2 out of the 14 people who actually buy and use this device will be in range of each other.

    1. Re:The odds... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 3, Funny
      What are the odds that 2 out of the 14 people who actually buy and use this device will be in range of each other.

      100%... When I put them all in a room and shoot them.

      - Apple Lover

  15. iPod Exchange Provider by powerpuffgirls · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Will we start seeing hotspots (intentional or otherwise) allowing iPod users to exchange files?

    Imagine a pseudo-P2P service run by hotspots installed (or infected) with the P2P apps......

  16. Re:How is this possible? by Justin205 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you either A) use unprotected MP3s or B) use iTunes to rip CDs to AAC format, its all unprotected.

    iTunes simply outputs standard old M4A files, not the copy protected ITMS ones.

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  17. Forget file-swapping by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forget file-swapping, and give me an iPod that can stream music directly to airport-express... I really believe this is what the next-generation iPod will be. Battery life will be a bitch though. In 2 or 3 revisions we probably even have Airport-express-extreme which will do audio AND video, and the assorted iPod capable of streaming your photos, mpegs and mp3s to your home cinema. This will be the day I buy another iPod.

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    1. Re:Forget file-swapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      don't forget it! imagine a future where a lot of people own ipods. you're sitting on a bus and you get a "knock." another ipod user activated a "wireless knock" to check to see if anyone on the bus had an ipod, and it found you. you accept this "knock" which lets him browse your songs, and you can browse his as well. you swap a couple of songs and move along, perhaps w/o knowing who you just exchanged songs with. illegal? maybe, but fucking cool!

    2. Re:Forget file-swapping by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Funny
      you accept this "knock" which lets him browse your songs, and you can browse his as well. you swap a couple of songs and move along, perhaps w/o knowing who you just exchanged songs with.

      Then you play one of the MP3s which you got off his ipod, which exploits a buffer overrun in the ipod's MP3 codec. When the bus passes by a WiFi hotspot the exploit's embedded P2P server connects to thousands of users worldwide. As you step off the bus, you get a "knock" on the back of the head from the RIAA's jack-booted shock troops who arrest you for being a terrorist.

      But it's fucking cool!

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  18. I Have Something Even Cooler... by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it's called, uh.. a radio. You guys should try it. It cost me like a tenth of what my iPod cost me, and already has some sort of integrated wifi. I've listened to like a million songs and didn't pay for ANY of them! I don't know how Kazaa is gonna survive in the face of this new technology. I just hope it stays underground, otherwise Microsoft or someone will buy it all up and ruin it.

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    1. Re:I Have Something Even Cooler... by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      otherwise Microsoft or someone will buy it all up and ruin it.

      A company far more evil than Microsoft has already done this.

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  19. There is a way to connect two iPods by gotr00t · · Score: 5, Informative
    Since Firewire is a peer to peer protocol, unlike USB being host and client, it is technically possible to connect two iPods together and share files. An implementation does exist, but its described as being "slow and buggy"

    One of the iPods must have iPodLinux installed, which should include firewire support, as well as SBP2 support. Compile this as a module, and then connect the two iPods together with the Sendstation Pocketdock if they are 3G, or just a regular 6pin to 6pin FW cable if they are 1st or 2nd generation. Put the other iPod into firewire disk mode, and the one running linux should be able to mount it and access the files. This is incredibly impractical, as typing on the iPod requires turning the scroll wheel until the right character appears (incredibly annoying), and also very slow. However, it just goes to show that it _is_ possible for iPods to share files with just minimal extra hardware.

    1. Re:There is a way to connect two iPods by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's too bad nobody has come out with a little box with a firewire controller, disk controller, and just enough logic to do a one-way sync. If you could make it cheap enough (and perhaps build in an uplink, so it could act like a firewire hub or something) I could see it selling (however, IANA Market Analyst)

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    2. Re:There is a way to connect two iPods by EvilFrog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Firewire is an Apple technology, and networking over it is part of the specification. It was Apple that figured it out to begin with. It's the user-made implementation that's "slow" and "buggy". The reason why Apple hasn't implemented this is because it would piss off the RIAA if they made it any easier for people to share files, and a moderately healthy relationship with the RIAA is necessary to keep iTMS running. This is the same reason why they make the music files on the iPod invisible when you mount it on your computer, and why music bought from iTMS has DRM.

  20. This is about as elegant as... by LightningBolt! · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is about as elegant as adding WiFi to your lawnmower... by running over a PocketPC with the lawnmower.

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  21. Re:Quick by sploo22 · · Score: 4, Funny
    PING www.riaa.com (68.163.90.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
    From 68.163.93.162 icmp_seq=1 Destination monopoly unreachable
    From 68.163.93.162 icmp_seq=2 Destination monopoly unreachable
    From 68.163.93.162 icmp_seq=3 Destination monopoly unreachable
    From 68.163.93.162 icmp_seq=4 Destination monopoly unreachable

    Control-C
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