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Office Depot Wants to Recycle Your Old Computer

IcerLeaf writes "CNN reports that Office Depot will happily recycle one old electronics item per customer, per day, from July 18th through September 6th. Qualifying electronics include computers, monitors, printers, scanners, fax machines, digital cameras, cell phones, and TVs 27" or smaller. Office Depot and Hewlett Packard will be splitting the bill. What's coming out of your basement?"

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  1. stuff owns us by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Two winters ago I had finally hit a breaking point of cruft. 11 computers weighed my personal space down, sparc servers and stations, sgi indigo2s and dumb terminals, countless x86 machines in varying states of decay. Sounds like you? In a panic, I updated my slashdot sig announcing that my lan was for sale, more of a joke to myself, a poke at my own sloth. Amazed at an almost immediate response with a serious inquiry, I reconsidered my offer and realized, "why not"? What had that pile of crap done for me? It caused me anguish, it made me think every single night coming home from work, "one of these days, I'm going to clean this place up". And so I went ahead with it, and sold everything on my lan for 400 dollars. I got 1 new machine with it, and 10 months later, an ibook (with other money) I haven't looked back since. In that time I've started, and completed, many of the mundane backburner projects that were always on-hold for seemingly forever. My point to this post is, if you haven't used a thing, and are keeping it because you think you might, why not just get rid of the thing (and this, a chance to do it properly, and for free!) and not let it vex you, sitting idle in the corner, calling out to your procrastinations ... (admittedly, 2 of the 3 boxes i mailed were lost or destroyed. the third, the cables, was received a-ok. the buyer was upset until i told him i had insured them. somewhere, there's a little old lady with a bright purple indigo2 full of potting soil and philodendrons ...)

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    1. Re:stuff owns us by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      4 years ago I ended up with a Sparc Server 20, I think it was called. Down in an Urban School System somewhere in Rhode Island, my first time on a field dispatch.

      I was doing an IP renumbering, and I reset the default route on their web server. I was telnetted in at the time, from another room. "Oops, I just broke the default route and I saved it in the start up file. I need to reset this at the console." The head IT lady goes "What's a console?" I explained it to her. She walked me up to the console, all remaining 50 keys on the keyboard and shattered monitor and everything.

      Walked out of there with IIS running her website, lugging the sparc server 20 to the trunk of my car. It was a horrible first experience. I learned that you never get free hardware twice!

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    2. Re:stuff owns us by vasqzr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Serious Unix machines never die. They are simply less powerful than a newer model. Doesn't mean you should throw them away though. You never know who might need a cheap Unix workstation to get some work done, run background computations, or perform simple serving (e.g. sendmail).

      You can keep the x86 cruft, however. They're older than the dinosaurs the day after they're released.


      Old SGI/Sun computers definately look cooler. They definately are cooler. But they require a lot more to get to work, and you have to have special keyboard/mice/monitor adapters in most cases.

      If you just want a *nix box to run sendmail or just for the sake of it, it's usually more efficent to have an old Pentium II (which are almost always faster unless you're doing 3D stuff on the SGI) and run Linux/BSD on it.

    3. Re:stuff owns us by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you just want a *nix box to run sendmail or just for the sake of it, it's usually more efficent to have an old Pentium II (which are almost always faster unless you're doing 3D stuff on the SGI) and run Linux/BSD on it.

      But they lack the flexibility of the Unix hardware. That stuff was designed to work no matter what, to be fixable no matter what, and to be remotely accessible no matter what. You just can't get that type of reliability out of an x86. It simply isn't built for the type of abuse that a Unix machine was engineered for.

      Call me when PCs get OpenBoot, and I'll begin to consider them for serious work.

    4. Re:stuff owns us by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was doing an IP renumbering, and I reset the default route on their web server. I was telnetted in at the time, from another room. [snip] She walked me up to the console, all remaining 50 keys on the keyboard and shattered monitor and everything.

      And it was still running! Can't get that type of reliability out of a PC! ;-) I'll bet you could have even hooked a dumb terminal to the serial port and fixed everything without issue.

      Bah, kids these days with their "disposable" Windows boxes. Wouldn't know real hardware if it hit them on the head! (Because they'd be unconscious. That shit is heavy!)

    5. Re:stuff owns us by southpolesammy · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you replaced a piece of broken hardware with a piece of broken software?

      (Sorry, just had to say it....)

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    6. Re:stuff owns us by christopher240240 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      26? That's nothing. I have in my basement and garage approximately 1000 macs in varying condition and age. I cannot sell them on ebay, as they weigh between 50-80 pounds and nobody in their right mind would pay for a machine and deal with that kind of shipping. Therefore, I'll offer any slashdotter a free mac simply for shipping.

    7. Re:stuff owns us by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can re-use stuff instead of recycling it, then that's usually more ecologically sound (at least until you get to stuff where the cost to power it over its remaining lifespan is outrageous), but a lot of organizations have rules about this to keep employees or contractors from "throwing out" good stuff and then going dumpster diving. You hear stories from people on swap lists who had to sit there and smash the screens of monitors and old compact Macs and iMacs before they could be trashed.

      We used to have periodic "employee sales", with a token payment ($25, usually) for each machine, but it's been a long time since they let us run one of those.

    8. Re:stuff owns us by southpolesammy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hate to reply to my own post, but on second thought, the hardware wasn't broken. In fact, the software wasn't broken either. The only thing wrong was that you broke the routing on a working SPARC Solaris server, which is an easy fix with a laptop and a serial cable.

      But instead of providing them with the cheap fix, you moved them to what is probably a more expensive solution TCO-wise on probably less reliable hardware (especially so given the state of PC hardware vs. Sun hardware 4 years ago). Not sure I agree with your methodology here.

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    9. Re:stuff owns us by 3rd_Floo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reliability and SGI in the same paragraph?!

      I know its only a quote, but thats nonsense. I've had to maintain a dozens of SGI's at work, Onyx 2000s Origin 2/3s, Indys, Octanes.. and you know what?

      They break!
      And when their service contract expries, they break twice as quick.

      I've turned machines off for 3 hours while work was being done to AC or electrical units neerby and turned them back on to find a $10k repair bill awaiting me. Yet, in the same room were old cruddy Gateway PC's running a small terminal server for the SGI or a web server or liscense daemon, that still are running.
      Sorry, I just cant believe anyone who really thinks SGI's are reliable, I havent had one yet that is...

    10. Re:stuff owns us by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, the three legs of the triangle are reduce, reuse, recycle.


      Or in the case of Microsoft, "Reboot, Reinstall, Redhat". :)

      (personally I prefer FreeBSD, but that doesn't start with an "R")

    11. Re:stuff owns us by Junta · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sure you can.

      Even down to the 'entry' level x86 servers there are quite a few systems with significant management features built in or available as a feature. For example, the IBM e325 (an Opteron box, but still in the same class as other entry servers), has a management controller that allows remotely querying and controlling aspects of the system via the network (querying fan/voltages/power state/system events/snmp alerts on error condition, system watchdog/power control), and also supports serial console redirection and accessing the serial console (both in the OS and in POST) via the management controller.

      On their other systems, you can get cards to do the same plus export the local vga display in a vnc-like fashion. I think Dell has some sort of option available too.

      Of course, their blade servers are ultimate in easily manageable, vga or serial console via the network, etc...

      Of course, there are also x86 boxes that have redundant/hot swap processors, memory, mirrored memory/redundant power supplies, and other niceties for the uber-high-availability-in-a-box sort of thing, but they are expensive.

      Of course, your typical 'old Pentium II' doesn't have all this. But you quite frankly often don't need all that for a lot of scenarios. Even when you might, take a few, network them all together, and brush up on HA cluster configuration. One box completely dies, well, HA handles things so you maintain that reliability. For even 4 systems in a failover configuration, you still undercut the cost of the equivalent power/sparc/parisc/itanium system.

      I *really* don't understand why OpenBoot is considered the end-all be-all. BIOS is ugly and hideous, but OpenBoot isn't such a compelling feature anymore in the face of other mechanisms to work around the traditional failings of BIOS. grub does most of what openboot gives, and the netbooting of a system via PXE combined with pxelinux is actually less painful in some ways than the bootp/tftp approach of OpenBoot. Argue for systems management implementations, for innate hardware failover mechanisms, for raw performance, elegance of the archtecture, for innate virtual machine capabilites (i.e. LPAR), but OpenBoot isn't anywhere close to being *THE* thing that makes a box more manageable or reliable.

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    12. Re:stuff owns us by christopher240240 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Finally after a storm and power outage, the site is up at powerpcmac.com/slashdot.html

  2. I thought thats what ebay was for. by Evildave · · Score: 4, Funny

    thats where I get rid of all my computer junk.

    1. Re:I thought thats what ebay was for. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, that's where i get all my computer junk.

      hey!!!!

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  3. broken laser Printers, be gone! by gevmage · · Score: 3, Interesting
    All right! This is great! My wife will be thrilled.

    I have two defunct laser printers, probably at least one dead monitor, and some other misc. stuff to come out of my basement. Stuff that frankly is too expensive to ship to sell on ebay.

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    1. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Want to get rid of something for free?

      I kid you not this ALWAYS WORKS.

      Put it outside on a table with a hefty pricetag overnight, like a yard sale you didn't clean up.

      Every single thing I've put out on the front lawn like that, including a carrion mini-fridge, groaning for burial, has been stolen!

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    2. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by LetterJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      I actually don't even have to put a price tag on it or wait until dark. I just haul it into the front yard or near the curb and it's gone within 2 hours. I'm amazed at the crap I've gotten rid of that way. The funny thing is that the people who take it are *always* grinning ear to ear, like they just won the freaking lottery. I figure if I can make someone's day and get rid of it, it's a 2 way win.

    3. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by TastyWords · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Along the same lines...they're extending one of the most heavily driven roads, from one lane in each direction to at least two [each], several miles' worth. What to do with all of the mulch from buzzing ALL of the tree matter, no matter how big? Leave it unattended. At night & during weekends, people are backing up with cars (trunks open) + trash cans, pickup trucks, rental trucks, etc.

      They've made no formal announcement - they're just leaving it alone, watching (and hoping it will) disappear. Prime, Grade A Mulch, freshly ground.... The problem? They aren't getting rid of it fast enough, despite the fact the roadsites are packed at night & weekends.

    4. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by LetterJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm in St. Paul, MN. I do live on a busy street, but I've seen this lots of places.

      Funnily enough, I know of someone who was refinishing their kitchen floor and put the dining room set on the front lawn to make room. A couple of hours later someone came to the door and looked kind of sheepish. Apparently, they'd taken the whole set, gotten a few blocks away and thought that maybe there might be a real reason for it all sitting out and turned around to return it. Otherwise, they'd have gone off with it.

    5. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by slashjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      A warning for those who will be getting rid of old computers: make sure the hard drive is wiped clean (and I don't mean with format). I would recommend using software similar to Autoclave. Every once in a while we get stories posted here about people picking up HDs from eBay and finding all sorts of goodies still on them... Don't be one of those people.

    6. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by TClevenger · · Score: 2, Informative
      www.freecycle.org

      Seriously, it works. Find the site in your area and post it there.

    7. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by dubiousmike · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you have "replacement cost" on your apartment or homeowners insurance, your defunct electronics magically turn into brand new equiptment if you happen to have an insurance loss that damages said equiptment.

      "Replacement cost is about an extra $75 per month. 20 Years of replacement cost is about as much as the new tv you will get when that 25 year old one gets wet when you have a fire.

      Some of you have friends who are insurance agents. Did they recommend you get "replacement cost"? If not, they aren't your friend. They work on a loss ratio for their bonuses from the companies. The larger total of all claims from all customers refered from the agent, the smaller the bonus. The more customers with replacement cost, the larger the total claims from all refered customers.

      get it?

    8. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by xScruffx · · Score: 2, Funny

      It happens every day in some areas. In those areas in which it does happen, we usually don't leave the items in plain sight. Typically speaking, we go to such great lengths as stuffing the items in question into darkly (or lightly, depending on the mood) colored plastic bags of gargantuan proportions. Occasionally, we go one step further and put these bags into large barrels or canisters. It seems like it's the same day every week, but I swear there's this couple of guys that just come by and swoop off with all of the good stuff. The bastards.

      xScruffx

    9. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by JaxGator75 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Filthy set of free-weights and a rusty bench were stolen the same night I put the "$50 OBO" sign next to it. It sat there for almost a WEEK before I had that idea...

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    10. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by Lost+Race · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here in Seattle that stuff would still be on the table a week later, still needing recycling and also soaking wet.

    11. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by Espectr0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Put it outside on a table with a hefty pricetag overnight, like a yard sale you didn't clean up.

      Huh... no way dude... they would steal my table!

    12. Re:broken laser Printers, be gone! by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Informative

      A word to the wise, DO NOT use any old saw dust/chips as mulch. In fact almost all will cause damage to trees and buildings. "Why" ,you ask? "Wood chips are wood chips, right?" Wrong! The vast majority of wood chips attract termites, among other things. Mulching the flower beds around your home with maple or pine chips is like lathering your ass in honey and jumping into the grizzly bear pit at your local zoo. Not a good thing to do. Using the wrong wood chips around trees will also lead to termite infestation in your living tree. Sawdust can cause nitrogen depletion in the soil as well as fungal contamination in some plant. That's not a good thing either. You want to use very specific types of wood chips. You should use Cedar, Cypress, Eucalyptus wood chips as these will deter most bugs. Also note that bark chunks are not the same as wood chips. They have different bug deterring properties, not to mention visual appearance and most importantly price. A quick Google search will give you lots of information including this Lowes page. I was a landscaper in a former life.

  4. A happy customer recommends by tekunokurato · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Recycle your used tech with 5R Processors! They are the nation's largest computer recyclers and put a lot of the tech to work either through refurbished sales or donations.

    1. Re:A happy customer recommends by gevmage · · Score: 2, Informative

      And where do I find these blessed individuals? A link with "find a store near you" would be great.

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  5. Re:What's coming out of my basement? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Informative

    One a side note, if you have anything that works, it is possible to find charities that will accept old equipment (not too old, but not necessarily working.) You can write it off. I donated an old G3 last year and took a $200 write off.

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  7. My old Vax by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, now that it's dead and all ;)

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    1. Re:My old Vax by stanmann · · Score: 3, Funny

      Donate it to a homeless person, they always need someplace warm and sheltered to sleep.

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  8. I hate stories like this... by Kid+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People throwing stuff out when I could use something besides the 1994 era Pentium I have right now.

    1. Re:I hate stories like this... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "People throwing stuff out when I could use something besides the 1994 era Pentium I have right now."

      For $100, I'll send you a P-P-P-Powerbook.

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  9. Coming out of my basement? Heck... by march · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's coming out of my basement? Heck, I'm going to go and stand in front of these stores and try to take the old stuff from people who are going to recycle it so I can add them to my collection!!

    I'm still looking for that old atari and timex sinclair... :-)

  10. other ways to recycle... by jmrobinson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I think this is great of Office Depot, I think re-implementing some of the older technology to maybe some younger siblings, cousins, Boys and Girls club, etc. could also be good. There are still a lot of people that can afford these types of things. So, before you go recycling that 486 at office depot, thing about re-deployment!

    1. Re:other ways to recycle... by Snap+E+Tom · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please don't. Ask yourself whether you'd want to use this machine everyday.

      I volunteer for a medium-sized nonprofit. We get a fair number of PIII's that we use and a lot of 486's and PI's that we can't. Sure, we get a lot fewer PIII's and even PIV's, but there's enough out there on the market that our staff of sixty all have PIII's and above. People think they can just dump off their toxic crap and get a tax write off. Instead, they just shift the burden of getting rid of this stuff on us.

  11. Monitors have lead - please recycle by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't dispose of your old monitors. They have lead and other hazardous materials that we really don't want in our groundwater. Please take this opportunity to have them disposed of properly.

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    1. Re:Monitors have lead - please recycle by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While having (not one but) two corporations run this recycling program gives me some initial confidence, what makes me think that they'll dispose in a eco-friendly manner at all?

      Many local governments where I live have zero regulations about proper disposal of large electronics, heavy metal laden motherboards, and leaded glass in crt's and tv's. If anything they have a maximum weight limit which is easily circumvented by some creative crushing and re-partitioning.

      My local governement is very anal about their disposal regulations because of having to build a new landfill within the past few years. What's to stop the local Office Depot from taking all the hazardous/heavy/dangerous junk and shipping it one county over where the regulations are non-existent.

      Office Depot is trying to cop some good materials in the same way they'll trade a pack of paper for a used ink cartridge. The resale of those cartridges (once discected and reconstructed with knockoff inks/carts) is very lucrative. What's the profit angle on the used computers? There's probably something quite profitable here (beyond just getting people into stores who may be in the market for a new computer).

    2. Re:Monitors have lead - please recycle by Some+Woman · · Score: 2, Informative
      That lead is in the glass. How is it going to get into the water supply?

      Source: Solid Waste Management Coordinating Board presentation to the Environment and Natural Resources Policy Committee of the Association of Minnesota Counties. 18 Sept 2003.
      Lead is in the phosphorescent coating of the tube - fused between 2 pieces of glass, so an unbroken CRT is relatively safe, but crushing CRT glass releases solid lead into the environment

      Lead in the funnel and face plate glass - does not leach readily

      Lead in the 'frit' which joins the face plate glass to the funnel glass leaches readily when subjected to TCLP* test

      [*]Toxicity Characteristic Leaching Procedure
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    3. Re:Monitors have lead - please recycle by Gannoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny, I was always under the impression that they mined lead out of the ground in the first place! So what exactly would be the problem with putting it back where it was?

      Same goes for mercury. Where does it come from? How about uranium? The ground? No way... I don't believe it. That horrible, harmful stuff couldn't possibly come from the ground...


      Ok, let me use an analogy that is strangely appropriate for you:

      There is probably about 4 pounds of feces in your body. Take it out. Now eat it. Whoa, I bet you don't feel too good. Just because it comes out of your body doesn't mean you can just put it back in without doing some damage.

      Additional Tip: If you actually try the above experiment, make sure to record it. Maybe you can sell it to a German video company to pay for your hospital bill.

    4. Re:Monitors have lead - please recycle by Jonboy+X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, I was always under the impression that they mined lead out of the ground in the first place! So what exactly would be the problem with putting it back where it was?

      The problem is in the fact that you're spreading that stuff around. We (humans) take lead from lead mines. Before we got there, it was pretty deep underground. Furry woodland creatures already knew enough not to live deep underground in lead mines, but when we dump this crap in their homes, they've got nowhere to go. It's kinda like flooding. Sure, the water was always around, but not in such high concentrations, and not in your living room.

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  12. Re:What's coming out of my basement? by baudilus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stop filing Federal Taxes, then ignore their mail and phone calls. Oh, they'll take everything.

  13. So the questions flow... by TastyWords · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) are they trying to get us into the store(s)? (hoping we'll do some business whilst we're there)
    2) are they trying to do the public a service (by getting the possible toxic materials out of the dumps?
    3) They're hoping (x)% of the materials turned in with have (y%) of redeeming worth, either directly, for sale on eBay, or as a donation to a local school as write-off donation?

    1. Re:So the questions flow... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...#4) All of the above.

      Even the most ethically run companies (i'm thinking of places like Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, or Canada's Mountain Equipment Co-Operative) still have to run their companies without incurring a loss.

      If you take this into consideration, you still realise its a good idea for the Office Depot. It shows that they're creative and listens to the needs of their customers.

      Our dump here in Mississauga, Ontario, is free (to encourage recycling and proper disposal of hazardous materials) so i won't need this service. Unfortunately the 21' 200lb Radiation King(tm) went to the dust-bin in the sky a loooong time ago.

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    2. Re:So the questions flow... by ptrangerv8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      #4 ???
      #5 Profit!!!

      I know I know, but it had t obe done, and I'm thinking it jus fit SOOO well in here...

  14. Monitors! by steveha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is impossible to get rid of monitors, at least here in Washington state. Even working monitors. Schools don't want them donated. Salvation Army and similar charities don't want them. You aren't allowed to throw them in the trash. All you can do is sell them, if you can find a buyer who actually wants one, or pay $10 for environmentally correct disposal. ($10 is for a 14" monitor; bigger ones cost more.)

    So, this is a free service that is worth $10 or more if you need to get rid of a monitor. Cool.

    steveha

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  15. Re:TVs 27" or smaller? by jaraco · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you cut it in half diagonally, it'll still be a 36". I suggest cutting it vertically.

  16. Clever by maxchaote · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The companies would not disclose how much their program will cost, or how they're splitting the bill.

    There's no cost. There's a lot of money to be had in the recycling industry -- especially in recycling electronics. They sound like they're just in it for environmental and humanitarian reasons, but they're in it for their wallets first and foremost.

    1. Re:Clever by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While it is indeed true that there is a lot of money to be made in the recycling business, most all of that money to be made is in charging consumers to recycle instead of tossing things in the landfill.

      With the exception of aluminum, most recycling programs would loose money if not for the fees charged to end users.

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    2. Re:Clever by knitting+fool · · Score: 2, Informative
      I personally don't care if they're in it for their wallets. If one person recycles a moniter (or whatever) that would have otherwise gone into a dump (and consequently into the groundwater) I say, "good for them". Assuming the customers have a little self control and don't go on a spending spree after droping off the electronics, it isn't hurting them a bit.

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  17. Need to Find a Store? by OctaneZ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Need to know where to go dumpster diving?

  18. Considering this this slashdot by ShieldWolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The proper question may be who is coming out the basement.

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  19. Consider ebay. by jafo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My wife pointed out that ebay is one of the most powerful resources in recycling that we have today. I'd have to agree. I don't know what Office Depot is doing with these machines, but wouldn't you rather have your old gear to go someone that can make use of it?

    For example, I recently got a "new" used car. It came with tired I didn't particularly like. I replaced the tires in fairly short order, and sold the old ones on ebay. They were a mis-matched pair. One pair I sold and because of shipping difficulties I ended up losing about $5 on it. That's less than the $20 I would have paid to take them to the dump, which is probably what would have happened if not for ebay. And now someone has a pair of tires in good shape that they can make use of.

    The other pair I sold for $90, because they were not an "off brand".

    I've been putting a bunch of my junk up for sale. Things that aren't really useful to me, but are to other folks. Plus, once in a while you come across the rare things like the Dreamcast Ethernet adapter that I sold for twice what I paid for it, or my classic HP calculator which looks like it will sell for almost twice what I paid for it.

    Usually, I first offer it to local folks in my Linux Users Group. Selling is much easier that way, and you don't tend to have to muck around with shipping. ebay makes shipping pretty easy though.

    So, remember that recycling isn't just about giving things to the "recycling centers". If you can get it to someone who can use it, all the better. If you can recover a few bucks in the process, all the better.

    Sean

  20. Reuse before Recycle by nulltransfer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Instead of recycling electronics, it would be much better if they could send them to less-developed countries where high-tech is more or less non-existant.

    Recycling is better than throwing out, but I recall it only usually saving 20% energy. Reusing, on the other hand, is much more efficient.

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  21. What I'm getting rid of... by keybsnbits · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boy will my girlfriend be happy when I finally get rid of that old flux capacitor I have sitting around. I recently upgraded to a 2.42 gigawatts flux capacitor for my time travels. Thats twice as good as the original! The old one has been rendered useless.

    1. Re:What I'm getting rid of... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Funny

      2.42 Gigawatts?! Why, the only thing with that much power is three* bolts of lightning!

      * due to inflation

  22. bill? Ahahahaha. by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Office Depot and Hewlett Packard will be splitting the bill.

    Must be the same "bill" as the one they have for recycling(gee, what swell guys) those $20 inkjet cartridges.

    Seriously, corporations don't do jack unless they think it'll help them sell their wares. If Office Depot and HP aren't making money by giving all the junk to a recycling company, they're expecting to steal away customers from Staples and IBM, with good will. They're probably doing both.

    Sorry, but touchy-feely posts about corporations doing "good stuff", like sponsoring breast cancer research(a favorite for companies looking to increase female customer numbers, such as BMW), disgusts me. Yes, the byproduct is "good stuff gets done"- but don't go on about them doing it from the bottom of their hearts or because they -care-. Corporations don't have hearts, and neither do boards or executive officers. They do it because they want to sell more stuff and want the PR points- it's pure greed.

  23. *Finally* by diagnosis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live around Boston, MA, and my roommate has been trying to get rid of an aging VGA monitor he bought on eBay for like 12 cents. After he found out it wouldn't fit on the shelf he wanted to use, he dumped it on the curb, only to learn the city wouldn't take it; they told him to take it to the dump. So of course, a week or so later, he goes to the dump, expecting to have to pay them to take it. The dump people tell him, "no, the city will take it for free; just leave it on the curb. We *can't* take it here." So this Monday, he leaves it on the curb, a little bit frustrated but happy to see it go.

    What do I see while walking to my car this morning? His monitor, lying alone on the sidewalk, the only item left behind after the garbagemen visited.

    So, thanks, Office Depot!

    P.S. Go Earth.

  24. Evil plot by corporations... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay - I've got my tinfoil hat squarely on - and tongue in cheek.

    It occurs to me that this could be an evil plan to remove older technology from the potential hacking marketplace.

    Think about it: everyone throws away their old computers (perfectly suitable as Linux workstations/servers) - forcing people who want to build low cost servers to buy new machines instead.

    Taking this further into the realm of the strange, the move to force adoption of DRM technologies would get a boost in the arm from the acquisition of new computers due to the lack of used alternatives... :0

    Okay...maybe not... (takes tinfoil hat off and slinks away)

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  25. I hoarde this crap.. by JRHelgeson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Twice a year up in Princeton, Minnesota they have a machine gun shoot (www.tankrides.com). Now, regardless of what your opinion of guns are - pulling off 100 rounds from an M-60, AK-47 or an M-16, I tell you, nothing compares.

    I stockpile old computer equipment to take up to the shoot so I can put a few rounds of .50 cal through it.

    There's nothing like pulling the trigger on a Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle and watching that old server that gave you years of grief explode.

    It's beautiful.

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    1. Re:I hoarde this crap.. by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 3, Funny
      There's nothing like pulling the trigger on a Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle and watching that old server that gave you years of grief explode.

      How about the feeling of taking your wholly bitch to Comp. USA afterwards.

      When they ask what happened say "Isn't that how you fix computers?"

    2. Re:I hoarde this crap.. by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 2, Informative
      up in Princeton, Minnesota they have a machine gun shoot (www.tankrides.com).

      Not for long! I saw an ad in last Sunday's paper: the guy is selling the business.

      The world gets smaller every day. I heard about this outfit in a tiny northern town no-one knows about just a week ago and now it's on Slashdot!
    3. Re:I hoarde this crap.. by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Somebody suggested this as a good way to destroy hard drives:

      1) Hang old HD up broadside.
      2) Hook up old 12v lawn tractor battery to get platters spinning
      3) FIRE
      4) Watch HD explode at 5400 or 7200 RPM.

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  26. Re:"tossing out" PCs?! by Phantasmo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Electronics Recycling takes all kinds of stuff. They recycle everything on the Accepted Materials list. Best of all, if you drop it off there's no charge!

    They have a location in Scarborough at:
    Unit# 14 - 80 Midwest Rd
    Scarborough ON M10 4R2
    416-285-0588
    9-5 Monday to Friday

    We use them all the time. It's way better than paying the city to just have the stuff tossed in the dump anyway.

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  27. Related Article... by MisterLawyer · · Score: 3, Informative
    I remember reading an article about 6 months ago in Wired about the waste problem and some recent legislation to help combat it. In particular, it talks about the Electronic Waste Recycling Act of 2003, and various new incentives in the tax code. A short read, it's an easy way to quickly understand the current state of computer waste legislation in America.

    Also, the article specifically mentions Dell's recycling efforts:
    "Computer makers such as Round Rock-based Dell Inc. have stepped up programs to take back old PCs"
    No mention of HP, though, so maybe HP is just doing a better job of publicizing their program, despite being about half a year later than Dell.

  28. Re:On the inside of Tower Cases and TVs by foidulus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would they mind if I filled my tower computer cases and TV sets insides with other junk I want to get rid of (wood shavings, cat litter, etc...)
    It will be like you are giving Office Depot a christmas in July present....of cat feces...
    Puts me into the holiday mood!

  29. Re:recycle? you mean re-sell by WOV · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're going to spend technician time at $30 an hour to fix up (or dismantle) now-worth-$20 laser printers that they have to ship to anyone at $30 plus packaging? Not to mention the enormous amount of broken / hopelessly outmoded / unsellable computers? Or to wipe the hard drives? Even to traige this equipment into saleable v. nonsaleable would wipe out the price delta immediately.

    By the way, speaking as someone who's spent a lot of time at various nonprofits, please don't be so casual about kicking used tech equipment to them; 90%+ are white elephants that end up taking up much more time, space, etc., than they're worth; only give something away if you talk to them about it first. (and are willing to support it if it comes down to that.)

  30. Re:Leave South Central. You'll thank me later. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "In many places, if you live on a busy enough road, especially in a college town, and you leave something on the curb, it's considered a free offering to whomever wants it. Tables, chairs, and couches are often recycled to other students this way."

    Hehehe.....and if they ever throw out a big SPOOL....now that's just great coffee/dining room table material. Goes perfect with the orange velour couch you find....

    College room decorating at its best. A spool...obnoxious couch...and walls decorated in 'early American rock poster'.

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  31. Bad idea (unless you give your time, too) by khasim · · Score: 2, Informative

    #1. The tech is OLD. It will fail. Why should they spend $50 for a replacement power supply when a brand new box is $199?

    #2. The tech is SLOW. Again, a new box costs $199 and runs 10x faster than the old stuff.

    #3. When they finally do buy the $199 stuff, they'll be stuck with the recycling costs of your old stuff.

    Of course, none of this matters if you also give your time and expertise to keep it running and so on. Those older machine can make great servers and firewalls, if you will set them up and maintain them.

  32. Re:bill? Ahahahaha. by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, corporations don't do jack unless they think it'll help them sell their wares.

    Sweeping statements like that are generally wrong.

    Corporations are not Borg entities. They are made up of individuals. Sometimes the individuals can successfully push the company into doing some Good Things, and guess what? Those individuals might not be the souless, calculating evil bastards you seem to think they are.

    It's true that corporations often do good things that might in some way benefit them. That's called "doing well by doing good" and I don't have a problem with it. You shouldn't, either.

    Corporations don't have hearts, and neither do boards or executive officers.

    It's healthy to be a bit suspicious of companies; don't accept their press releases without a grain of salt. But you sound like someone who has gone overboard the other way. All corporations are not the same, and everyone who works for a corporation is not necessarily evil.

    steveha

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  33. Purple Indigo2? by lcsjk · · Score: 3, Funny

    So that's where it came from!!

  34. Re:If only there was one in MA by EvilMagnus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just posted elsewhere that if you live in Boston you can, in fact, do this. The City of Boston will come to your house and take away monitors and TVs FOR FREE. All you have to do is call them.

    http://www.cityofboston.gov/publicworks/hazardou sw aste.asp

    Of course, if you live elsewhere you usually have to pay money, get stickers and drive the stuff to your local DPW dump.

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  35. Re:bill? Ahahahaha. by dcw3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seriously, corporations don't do jack unless they think it'll help them sell their wares.

    I suppose that at the Fortune 500 company I've worked at for 22+ yrs, that that's the reason they've sponsored:
    1. Local races supporting cancer research, and children with brain damange
    2. Annual creek cleanup
    3. United Way...every year
    4. Matching funds donations to numerous charities (I've written many personal checks that were doubled up)
    5. Etc.,...I'm sure if I spent ten minutes, I could triple this list.

    Yes, they're in business to make money, but to insist that all that stuff is done just to sell our wares is nothing but crap. I personally know a couple of VPs at major companies, and my dad was a business owner...they are REAL people, and they didn't all get there by being cold hearted SOBs.

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  36. I wouldn't give them my hard drive... by jonasmit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unless you are absolutely sure that you have completely sanitized it. We have all seen reports here and elsewhere of banks/companies who have sold formatted hard drives where confidential data was still recovered.

  37. I recycle more than they do.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I take old stuff from corporations and individuals and refurbish it and resell it cheap to the needy or young upstart SOHO's....

    I take in more stuff than they do and I am,
    1. disabled
    2. working alone

    Come on guys, you can do better than that.
    My typical daily run (pick up)is 20 laserjets, 4-5 21" CRT's, +/- a dozen PC's, 6-10 injets, and 2-300 lbs of cables and wall-warts.

    If I can do it this much by myself and disabled at that, they can do better. And I DO NOT throw ANY of it away, it ALL goes back to someone. A lot of it I simply refurbish and give away or trade away just to keep it from piling up.

    shameless plug, http://www.SystemRecycler.com

    .

    1. Re:I recycle more than they do.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't know much do you. The website is only a formality.

      Those prices on the website mean nothing at all.
      I end up selling laserjets for $20-50 each to local around town. Never sold one single item through the website, though I would like to.

      I do not charge a pick up or recycling fee. You bring it to me and I take it, no strings, no fees. You're done with it then for good.

      I have GIVEN AWAY HUNDREDS of CRT's and printers away to people, churches, friends, neighbors, etc. totally free of charge, and in many cases I DELIVERED the equipment to the recipient.

      If on some occasions I go to the effort to do a COMPLETE refurbishment those prices on my website are what I ASK, but not what I GET. The price includes a 90 day warranty. I put the equipment back into LIKE NEW CONDITION.

      However, in most cases I only have to do light cleaning on the equipment and sell it CHEAP or give it away AS IS with no warranty.

      When I sell it AS IS, you pick it up from me with no warranty and you get CHEAP equipment.

      It's all good stuff and WORKS. No junk, just older stuff but all in good working condition.

      You have no clue on earth what I do so why don't you just sit down and shut your mouth.

  38. [OT]Re:What's coming out of my basement? by sarah_kerrigan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hello,

    The answer is simple. I belong to a third group: women who, sometimes, enjoy joking and burning karma. Jokes might be good (or bad ones), but they are just jokes, and they pretend to be just jokes. I do not pretend to catch everybody's attention, but your comment really does.

    Kisses
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  39. Re:Stop eating microwave food by xScruffx · · Score: 2, Funny

    I lost my reeboks, so I'm wearing a pair of old Acer monitors. So much for my deep, dark secret.

    xScruffx

  40. Honesty Works Too by wintermute1974 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I actually don't even have to put a price tag on it or wait until dark. I just haul it into the front yard or near the curb and it's gone within 2 hours. I'm amazed at the crap I've gotten rid of that way. The funny thing is that the people who take it are *always* grinning ear to ear, like they just won the freaking lottery. I figure if I can make someone's day and get rid of it, it's a 2 way win.

    You know, people will take these things even when you're honest with them.

    My parents moved a few years ago from a 3000 sq.ft. house into an 800 sq. ft. condominium. Needless to say, not all their belongings would make the move with them.

    My mother sold the best, yard-saled what she could, and then started making a habit of putting things out on the lawn every Tuesday afternoon with a big sign marked "FREE!". By evening, the lawn was empty, except for the sign -- and sometimes that was taken too.

    After three months of her Tuesday give-aways, my mother had ridden herself of all the things she wasn't going to take with her. So, the Tuesday before the movers were scheduled to arrive, there came a knock on the door at 3:00 p.m. A shy, sheepish man with a wrinkled, stained shirt asked her if anything was available that day. My mother said no, wished him a good day, and closed the door.

    She was surprized that he had the nerve to ask. She was ever more surprized when people came knocking all that afternoon and evening.

  41. Re:bill? Ahahahaha. by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
    Corporations don't have hearts, and neither do boards or executive officers. They do it because they want to sell more stuff and want the PR points- it's pure greed.

    Thankfully, that's not true.

    There are lots of companies that do things out of simple charity, and the desire to do something positive for the community. Now, I have to admit, it used to be infinitely more common before giant evil conglomerates took over, and started killing kittens to make another cent every quarter. However, there are still a few companies around that aren't evil.
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