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Blinkx and You Won't Miss It

WebfishUK writes "The Guardian is running this story about Blinkx a a kind of "search companion" which aims to bring internet searches in closer contact to what you are working on. Its total search approach (including email attachments, blogs and local files) seems to have some parallels to Googles Gmail engine. Could this be the first real technology threat for Google?"

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  1. "search companion" ? by ack154 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Maybe it's just me... but "search companion" sounds a lot like "spyware." Let's hope this is not the case with this software ... although, this part kind of worries me:
    Blinkx's planned business model involves getting advertising revenue from contextual adverts, product channels and white labelling, but she emphasises that the search is independent: it is mathematically based and just looks at words and their context. She adds: "It is clean, but users don't know that so we show our advertisements in a different colour".
    I think I'll just stick to Google/Gmail and let them read just my email. I don't need someone also reading all of the data on my PC to serve ads.
    1. Re:"search companion" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, Blinkx has an even worse track record than Google when it comes to protecting My Rights Online. I installed the beta version of their software onto my "dumping ground box," an old Athlon 700 running on a FIC AZ11 motherboard with Windows XP Professional Edition Service Pack 2, Mozilla Firefox 0.9.2 with Adblock and Flashblock, and OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 SFX edition.

      During my usage of the software, I saw numerous pop-under banners being spawned by Internet Explorer, even when I was using Mozilla Firefox 0.9.2 with Adblock and Flashblock! It turns out that Blinkx actually creates a pseudo-proxy server and routes all traffic through it. Even historically secure browsers like Mozilla Firefox 0.9.2 with Adblock and Flashblock were foiled by it.

      After one too many ads triggered from Mozilla Firefox 0.9.2 with Adblock and Flashblock, I re-imaged my dumping ground box. Please boycott Blinkx.

      Sincerely,
      Seth Finklestein
      Watchdog and Privacy Advocate
      Not affiliated with Seth Finkelstein, but still hates Michael Sims

    2. Re:"search companion" ? by Horia · · Score: 2, Informative
      On their site it says :

      The blinkx windows client automatically finds web pages, news articles and documents on your machine that are related to the content of your active window.

      Or is it "The blinkx windows client automatically displays ads and questionable links based on spying what you do" ? Haha.

    3. Re:"search companion" ? by Dissenter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. It's hard to trust anyone out there with, but to this point, Google hasn't done anything that makes me worry about the Gmail ads and knowing that it's just displaying them in the page doesn't wory me like anything that is installed on my machine as a "helpful companion." That pesky "Lycos Sidebar" is supposed to be a search companion too, but that's the most annoying spyware app ever. (Damn users and their Internet Exploder.)

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      Dissenter
      "There is no knowledge that is not power."

    4. Re:"search companion" ? by xmorg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      exactly.

      Actually, I think any software that has the word "companion", that is not a real person is either spyware, addware or annoyware.

    5. Re:"search companion" ? by magefile · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do realize that the guy who runs google-watch hates Google for personal reasons, and has a major conflict of interest? Also, why do you sign your post "Seth Finklestein", then say at the bottom "Not affiliated with [SF]"?

  2. Could this be Google's first technology threat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No.

    Maybe we should update the old UseNet cliche :

    Imminent Death of Google Predicted : Film at 11

  3. Woohoo!! by scoot241 · · Score: 4, Funny

    An even quicker way to find porn, music, and movies. If this searches IRC channels too, we'll be set for life!

    1. Re:Woohoo!! by Cred · · Score: 2, Informative

      I tried finding porn with this.. "free porn" nor "free porn pictures" gave any really free porn picture sites, galleries.

  4. Dashboard clone? by Peter+Winnberg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't this just a clone of Dashboard?

  5. Blinkx website privacy page. by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Informative

    Our Commitment To Your Privacy

    Your privacy is important to us and blinkx makes every endeavor to ensure that all of our products protect your privacy.

    Most importantly, BLINKX NEVER REMOVES, COPIES, FORWARDS, AMENDS OR OTHERWISE MOVES ANY OF YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION from your COMPUTER (INCLUDING YOUR E-MAILS AND DOCUMENTS). YOUR INFORMATION STAYS ON YOUR COMPUTER.

    blinkx works by comparing relevant information to deliver results, but never uses the original documents. The only actual hard information blinkx collects is your e-mail address when you decide to download the blinkx client.

    We use the information you directly provide about yourself purely for this blinkx beta program. We do not share this information with outside parties and for no other commercial matters. When we receive email correspondence, we use return email addresses to reply with the information requested. Such addresses are not shared with outside parties.

    Should you have other questions or concerns about these privacy policies, please send us an email at feedback@blinkx.com
    blinkx's Website

    This policy only addresses our activities from our servers. Other websites (including those that we link to and third party websites or services that we co-brand) may have their own policies, which we do not control, and thus are not addressed by this policy.

    This site recognizes the home server of visitors, but not their e-mail addresses. This site also uses "cookie" technology so that we can better understand how to improve the experience of visiting our website. Also, blinkx tracks the Internet address of the domains from which visitors are coming and uses this data for statistics and analysis on the levels of success of our web programs, but the name of the visitor remains anonymous.

    The names and contact information of persons who request information about blinkx, its subsidiaries, its products and/or its services are added to our data base, so that they may be contacted in the future regarding blinkx's products, services or future opportunities. This contact may occur by e-mail, telephone or mail, as blinkx deems appropriate. We do not sell or rent any information about our visitors, and we have no plans to do so in the future.

    We use industry-standard efforts to safeguard the confidentiality of your personally identifiable information, such as firewalls and secure socket layers where appropriate. However, "perfect security" does not exist on the Internet.

    You acknowledge that acceptance of this privacy policy, as updated from time to time at this location, is a condition to your use of our website and you agree to be bound by all of its terms and conditions.

    If you have any questions regarding our policies please e-mail blinkx's webmaster at feedback@blinkx.com

    blinkx home page

    1. Re:Blinkx website privacy page. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Blinkx website privacy page. by mikeophile · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After reading this...

      blinkx works by comparing relevant information to deliver results, but never uses the original documents. The only actual hard information blinkx collects is your e-mail address when you decide to download the blinkx client.

      And then this...

      This site recognizes the home server of visitors, but not their e-mail addresses. This site also uses "cookie" technology so that we can better understand how to improve the experience of visiting our website. Also, blinkx tracks the Internet address of the domains from which visitors are coming and uses this data for statistics and analysis on the levels of success of our web programs, but the name of the visitor remains anonymous.

      They are pretty much saying that they *only* collect your email address and all of your web browsing data, but don't worry since they don't have your "name".

    3. Re:Blinkx website privacy page. by demaria · · Score: 4, Informative

      All they're saying is that they record the Referrer information from an HTTP header. That doesn't say they collect "all of your web browsing data". Just sites that link to their homepage from browsers that have the referrer enabled.

  6. Free advertising by goldspider · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Could this be the first real technology threat for Google?"

    Free advertising on The Guardian and Slashdot can't hurt.

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    "Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
  7. And they hated Google . . . by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, and people made such a fuss over Google reading your e-mail for ads, doesn't look like this is any better:

    And you have to do nothing! Whenever you browse a website, read a news story, check your e-mail or write a document, blinkx automatically delivers suggestions from the Web, news or your local files; which you can view by simply clicking the links or rolling over to get a summary of the information found.

    Not only email, it does everything!

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    1. Re:And they hated Google . . . by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One important difference: Google stores your info on their servers, and parses them for ads on their servers. This does the searching and parsing on your machine, and just requests ads from the server (according to their privacy policy)

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:And they hated Google . . . by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who cares, as long as no data is sent to them?

      I do care if they read stuff and collect it, but if they don't, what's the problem? Same goes for Gmail btw.

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      Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
  8. Uh... by xenostar · · Score: 2, Funny

    For some reason the words "search companion" always make me cringe.

  9. The Good and The Bad by marnargulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On one hand this is obviously potentionally spyware. I mean, it logs everything you do, and advises you to check out such and such. However:
    Did anyone check out that graphical linking system? It was genious. You go to a seed link, and it spiders from there. Graphically representing the links each time. So you search for "frogs" and it starts a "frogs" seed. Then a few branches come out, such as "frog legs", "cromwell's frog" and "horned frog". Then those branch new links as well. And it just keeps going. At first I said "this is stupid, I searched for a broad term, and only get 3 links?" but then I watched as it added sublinks to main links, and was very impressed.

  10. A REAL Search Engine by tgrigsby · · Score: 4, Funny

    So search engines have gone from searching a dedicated database to searching the text on the internet. Then it was searching images on the 'net. Now they can extend that to searching your email and local drives, all with one interface.

    Cool.

    But if you really want to impress me, make one that can search my house, my pockets, and my kids' rooms for my keys and wallet....

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    *** *** You're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me... ***
    1. Re:A REAL Search Engine by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Funny

      But if you really want to impress me, make one that can search my house, my pockets, and my kids' rooms for my keys and wallet

      They have those already. They're called burglars... oh, you meant you wanted something to search for your keys and wallet and return them to you.

  11. Re:Could this be Google's first technology threat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Usenet? That posse of Luddite introverts stopped being relevant five years ago.

  12. BBC story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC is also running a story on this.

  13. Re:You're right by gowen · · Score: 3, Informative
    Google searches blogs too. So their USP is that it "scours" your hard disk and emails and lots of other "local" information as well. That's exactly what spyware does.
    Hell, thats what Windows "Find" does, or find . -print | xargs grep

    The important point is *what happens to that data*. Spyware collates it and sends it to its master. Blinkx says that theres doesn't do this.

    So its not spyware.

    Mind the strap on that tinfoil hat.
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  14. Not a threat if... by caldroun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...it is "Optimized for IE & Broadband Users". Google is not so.

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    "If you have done 6 impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways" -- hhgg
    1. Re:Not a threat if... by congaflum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You gotta love the use of the term "optimized for", when waht they actually mean is "requires" :-)

  15. Review of Blinkx by glinden · · Score: 4, Informative

    A good review of Blinkx with some discussion. I've also got a post about Blinkx that includes links to discussions of Linux version of something similar (Dashboard) and Microsoft's attempt (Implicit Query).

  16. They're not alone by joeykiller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe this is a threat to Google, but I don't think the competitors are far behind. Nat Friedmans Dashboard and Sideboard have been mentioned elsewhere, and it seems like Microsoft is planning a similar application themselves.

    Apparently Google is planning local hard drive searches as well, in a pre-emptive move against improved search techologies that will be a part of Windows/Longhorn.

    So I guess Blinx won't be left alone for long. However, when it comes to search, the more players the better. Google is well on its way to become the new Microsoft, and I don't think it's in anybodys best interest to get a search monopolist.

  17. Re:Could this be Google's first technology threat? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This can easily be wiped out by companies like Microsoft and Apple anyway. In Apple's case, all they would need to do is link Spotlight with Sherlock with some simple plugin.

    The reason Google can compete is that it isn't an application that you have to download. Anything that is a downloadable application will be easily snuffed by major software companies like those that make instant messaging apps like Microsoft, AOL, Yahoo, and Apple.

  18. Find a needle in a Haystack by Croaker-bg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This harkens back to the good ole Haystack doo-ma-jiggy that came out of MIT sometime ago (slashdot Here and MIT HERE)

    The concept is a simple one. Don't keep things in order in your folders in email or on your machine anymore. Just dump it all in one big place and have a meta engine of some sort index it all for you and then build queries for what you need. Realistically this is a great idea for those folks that had problems using the analog file cabinet for so many years (ala Jimmy James and the file of banana under "bright curved yellow things" for instance). The potential for abuse is really no greater than if M$ were to upload all of your "explorer find" searches back to Redmond. Those of you that us XP when you have to will notice that there is even an option to save a search query now for quick use within the XP shell. All this new company has done is just made it a little easier for the typical end user to create their search meta engine. The MIT one was brutal for a learning curve and more importantly it didnt have a decent place to put advertisements!

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  20. Search information from your desktop by kalki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "search information from your desktop"

    This one feature is enough to know that Blinks is not going any where.

    I don't know why people are still tied to the Desktop. One of the great success of Google is that its not tied to the desktop (yeah, I know they are working on desktop tools too).

    People travel and move, change computers, change system, reformat...blah..blah. All that learning over your desktop is of no good use.

    Beauty of google (web interface search) is i get the same great results no matter where I acces it from, which machin I access from ...

    Desktop search sucks...but the concept of desktop itself sucks in the first place.

  21. A new Slashdot category by LS · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm, now that Slashdot is accepting submissions for spyware, I think they should create a new category. They didn't accept my submission for Bonzi Buddy!!!

    LS

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    There is a fine line between being a cultivated citizen and being someone else's crop. - A. J. Patrick Liszkie
  22. Worthless by Skraut · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What good is a search engine if it can't find me litigious bastards

    Though, it can help you find Slashdot http://us-search.blinkx.com/BlinkxBroadband/?q=lit igious+bastards&x=10&y=6

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  23. Re:Since when.. by ack154 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well I'm pretty sure they're just referring to the back end of Google searching that powers Gmail. And speaking of my own use, it's one damn quick and easy search engine for email. I have like 500 emails in just one of my "labels" and I can search and fly through them with no problems. It's my "ebay" label, so I look for specific items or that "one thing" that I bought a while ago and forgot to leave feedback or something like that... but it's quick, efficient, and well... it's Google.

  24. Re:You're right by stoborrobots · · Score: 3, Informative

    The key is more than that Blinkx doesn't use it for spying... The USP is that it uses the local information as a context for the search (and potentially the ads as well). Google cannot know what you're working on, so it guesses from the keywords. Spyware doesn't care, it mostly only feeds you ads. Blinkx (claims to) use the information to improve the quality of your search results.