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IPv6 is Here

shawn(at)fsu writes "Reuters is running a story that Vinton Cerf of the Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) says that "IPv6 been added to its root server systems" I like how they said that it will run along side IPv4 for 20 years to get rid of the bugs. A few previous Slashdot stories out of many here, here and here"

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  1. v6 could help solve some net problems by erick99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Perhaps we will get to the point where static IP addresses are required. That might help track down spammers and other bad netizens. I'm sure they will find a way around it, but, still, an assigned IP for each user and each piece of hardware would be a good start. And, it would seem that there would be enough to 'round:

    Cerf said about two-thirds of the 4.3 billion Internet addresses currently available were used up, adding that IPv6 could magnify capacity by some "25,000 trillion trillion times."

    Of course, if v4 runs along side of v6 for 20 years that may mean that it would be harder to implement an IP-per-user scheme. I don't know. But, 20 years should be enough time to work out any bugs:

    He said the IPv6 system would run parallel to IPv4 for about 20 years to ensure that any bugs or system errors were weeded out.

    Cheers!

    Erick

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    1. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by tabdelgawad · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Perhaps we will get to the point where static IP addresses are required. That might help track down spammers and other bad netizens.

      Let's add "good netizens who want to be anonymous". Maybe I'm not thinking clearly, but I don't see a way of making the net spammer-proof without ending the concept of internet anonymity.

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    2. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by fishwallop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having more IP addresses doesn't mean that they will be statically assigned, nor that they will be assigned on a "per-user" rather than on a "per-device" basis. Even if each individual were assigned a block of addresses for their devices (this packet comes from John's palm pilot, this from his cell phone, and that one from his refrigerator...) you'd still have the problem of multiple users with a single physical device (public library computers, internet cafes, office beer fridges...) so, unless each device includes biometric identification and logging, you'll never be able to attribute every internet communication to a human party, even when one exists. I won't even get into the privacy concerns there.

      The vast majority of bad netizenship occurs at protocol levels above IP -- spammers abuse SMTP, advertisers abuse DHTML, hackers abuse various services running on open ports. While some of this bad netizenship can be addressed at lower protocol levels (e.g. by blackholing certian IP ranges) the real solution is in fixing the higher-level protocols.

    3. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No static IP addr. for everyone. Think of this:

      If I move from CA to NY, the routers of the world would have to change their tables to be able to get information to me. That is just for one person. Now think of all the people who move or change ISPs.

      So static IPs for everyone is not a good idea.

    4. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by jerde · · Score: 5, Interesting
      IPv6 is big enough to give a class C subnet to every living person on the planet

      Um. IPv6 is big enough to give a Class A subnet to every living person on the planet.

      It's big enough to route an entire IPv4 numberspace to every living person on the planet, and to each of their pets, favorite invisible friends, and pieces of furniture.

      2^128 is a big, big number.

      The point is, they'll be able to "waste" huge swaths of the that numberspace as they build the routing hierarchy, making the network more scalable.

      I'm worried about remembering ssh 2031:0000:130F:0000:0000:09C0:876A:130B

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    5. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by rsidd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Better still, bring back the old BOOTP protocol? Which if I'm not mistaken just simply keeps a database of MAC addresses to IP Addresses (manually entered),

      An IPv6 address includes the 64 bit MAC address.

    6. Re:v6 could help solve some net problems by M1FCJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait until "smart dust" concept really kicks in. A mole of (6.22x10^23) nanorobots will eat into your IPv6 numberspace pretty easily.

  2. 20 years to work out the bugs? by Michael+Dorfman · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's optimistic.

  3. Perfect! by mfh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTA: Cerf said about two-thirds of the 4.3 billion Internet addresses currently available were used up, adding that IPv6 could magnify capacity by some "25,000 trillion trillion times."

    Perfect for colonization of other planets. If each human being has their own IP, then we would need to pack a whole bunch of planets to require more than that! They aren't kidding when they say they'll run IPv4 with IPv6 for twenty years. In that time, we won't have used even a fraction of a couple percent of available IPs, even if we assign every human being on the planet with one, and every company with a giant block.

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    1. Re:Perfect! by ultrabot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If each human being has their own IP, then we would need to pack a whole bunch of planets to require more than that!

      Binding IP's to humans is arbitrary - it's more realistic to expect that every human with money is going to have several IP addresses (appliances, toasters, whatever), while most of the people in the world will have none.

      Also, for some reason, I don't really like the idea of persistent per-human IP addresses. The idea has an Orwellian feel to it.

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    2. Re:Perfect! by DreadSpoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't have to worry about that, though, because it isn't possible. How would the routers handle those (theoretical) 6 billion addresses? The routing tables could never handle it.

      At best, you'd continue to have a dynamic address, and then have a static address that resolves to some sort of forwarding service. So some agency would own a big chunk of 6 billion addresses (and routers would only then need that one routing entry), and then that agency's network would reroute packets to those addresses to your current dynamic IP assigned by your ISP for whichever device you want the IP to relate to.

      Which is pretty pointless and stupid, because you'll have many different devices and thus many different IP addresses, so what purpose would there be in having a single static IP just to refer to you personally?

      (And no, conspiracy theorists, I'm not going to assume that we all have chips implanted in our heads; trust me, we'd have another Revolution before that happened.)

    3. Re:Perfect! by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't need my SSN to make a phone call.

      In fact, there are a lot of daily activities I don't need my SSN for, and I've never needed it online. It's hard to imagine any online activity that doesn't require an IP though.
      =Smidge=

  4. I do wish by tekiegreg · · Score: 4, Funny

    I could get something equivalent to my own Class A block of IPv6 addresses for my home. I'd give every object in my apartment an assigned IP Address. How the pieces of toilet paper get access to the Internet would remain to be seen, but at least on paper (heh) it would have an IP Address. And why not? So many IP addresses possible I could have my own class A block (or IPv6 equivalent) and hardly put a dent in the amount of available IPv6 addresses...but until an ISP offering DSL in my area supports IPv6 I'm outta luck...

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    1. Re:I do wish by Vancorps · · Score: 4, Informative
      I would suggest you check this out.

      You can have a whole octet to yourself right now. That's a lot of IP addresses and you're ISP doesn't have to support IPv6, it can be encapsulated in IPv4. There are plenty of gateways out there that will translate the request for you so that only your router will need both IPv4 and IPv6.

      It's all up on FreeNet.
    2. Re:I do wish by Unnngh! · · Score: 4, Funny
      do you put microchips in your pieces of toilet paper?

      Well, with hardware being free in the future and all, sure, why not! Imagine a beowolf cluster of those;)

  5. 20 years of Bug Testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like an open source project to me. I'm surprised they didn't just rename it to IPv0.4 so they could use the fact that it's pre-1.0 as a safety net for bugs, etc.

  6. Feeling Old by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems like just yesterday, I was surfing the Web, telnetting ports and Cracking warez with little old IPv1, strange - we are on v6 now and I dont even remember 5. guess I'm suffering from geezer syndrome.

    1. Re:Feeling Old by wonkamaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not too many people remember v5. The IP version is a reference to the IP header "version" field, and 5 was reserved for ST2: See RFC 1819 Sesion 1.2, 2nd paragraph.

      So what do you call the next IP version? Version 6, of course!

  7. IANA request by dmeranda · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The IANA request that ICANN support IPv6 on its root servers is found here. And the timeline given then was:

    "...the first of the IPv6 glue records will be added to the root zone on 28 June [2004]."


    This is just the first step to real world-wide IPv6 deployment (replacing the mbone experimental setup). You still need to get all the intermediaries like ISPs up to speed.
  8. Is it just me by oO0OoO0Oo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or does "virtually unlimited" seem like a very silly and shortsighted estimate of the number of possible addresses? Especially because the uses/monopolization of these addresses will probably grow in unforeseeable ways.

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  9. Duke Nukem Forever by awhelan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet! All the bugs will be worked out just in time to play Duke Nukem Forever online!

  10. Re:A brief and redundant article by bheerssen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The term domain addresses refers to IP addresses, not domain names.

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  11. Personally... by aznxk3vi17 · · Score: 5, Funny
    I, personally, am looking forward to accessing the internet from the toilet paper I'm about to use to wipe my ass, while the toilet sends data about my fecal matter to the health department website, where they analyze to see if my poopy is healthy. Then, after the flush, the water pipes measure the amount of water going through them and access my water bill through the internet, telling me how much I've spent.

    What, can you think of better uses for a mole of IPs per square foot?

  12. My IPv6 Rant by GeorgeH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I posted How the Internet is broken, how to fix it, and why that's not going to happen, a rant about IPv6 adoption, to my personal site.

    Basic idea - include IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling software in Linksys routers. This would allow people to run IPv6 networks in their houses and talk to IPv6 networks elsewhere. This would fix a lot of problems that NAT introduces, and would sidestep the wait for IPv6 ISPs. It would also provide enough of a user base to encourage application developers to include IPv6 support.

    Of course, this would kill Linksys' NAT router sales, so they have no incentive to do so, but I like to think it's a good idea.

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  13. RFID here we come. by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 4, Funny
    How the pieces of toilet paper get access to the Internet would remain to be seen

    Easy, RFID chips implanted in every sheet. Then when you visit the store

    • Greetings Mr. Cornholio, your last sheet of toilet paper indicated that you ate too much cheese and not enough fiber, visit aisle 9 we are having a sale on Ex-Lax.
  14. where are the IPv6 native ISPs? by dgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Portland Oregon and every once in a while I survey the local DSL ISPs about IPv6. The answer has been consistenly "We have no plans to deploy IPv6." and "No customers have been asking for it."

    Can someone point out ISPs that offer native IPv6 service to home users?

  15. Re:My coffee grinder needs an IP... by TobiasSodergren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bad idea.. Some mischevieous person might unleash a Denial Of Schampoo attach when you're in the shower.

  16. Abbreviated number of the beast by BigGar' · · Score: 4, Funny

    ipv6 or ipv666

    Take the following:
    Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    With no ipv6 number you will not be able to buy or sell and it's long so you'll have to write it down somewhere where you'll always have it, say on the back of your hand. ipv6 is simply ipv666 shortended up a bit to hit the true meaning.

    There you have it, conclusive proof.
    We are in the end of day's.

    repent, Repent, REPENT!!!!

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  17. Hmph! Whippersnappers! by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do you young'uns need with all those IP addresses? In my day, we only had eight, and they were big and bulky. We didn't have any fancy network address translation, you had to put your 80 pound IP address in your wheelbarrow and roll it across town so Joe Billy Bob Joe Bob could use it! And ol' Joe Bob sure would give you a sound whuppin' if you was late with his IP address!

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  18. Might not be a bad thing. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all, registration numbers ended the concept of motor car anonymity, and most people would agree that the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

  19. Not a problem by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Informative