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Rendezvous Renamed to OpenTalk
Gogo Dodo writes "Back in August, Slashdot covered Tibco suing Apple over the Rendezvous trademark.
AppleInsider now reports that the lawsuit has been settled and Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk." Meanwhile Zeroconf sits in the corner and cries.
Apple (and MS) are both being sued over 6 patents held by BTG, which their pnline updating systems allegedly violate.
Link here.
Looks like fun and games ahead for Apples lawyers.
Okay, this time I mean it: No more product-based body modification.
Tibco gets sued by Buick, which has a car named Rendezvous.
I for one welcome our new [insert main topic] overlords.
Cue "Lindevous" jokes.
The Cheese Stands Alone.
Sounds too much like AppleTalk.
I can hear the IT folks gripping.
I, for one, welcome our translucent overlords.
Since when has Open* meant something was open source? Ever use OpenWindows? Adding Open in front of everything trying to indicate it's free software is a relatively new manifestation. I doubt the FSF cares since they prefer to use the term free.
I'm sure Apple registered that trademark a LONG time ago. In fact, I think it's been used before for something else.
LocalTalk, OpenTalk, PowerTalk, AppleTalk, MacinTalk, KanjiTalk, ZhongWenTalk, etc. etc.
Maybe:
'New for quasi-intellectual, artistic elitists. Stuff that splatters.'
No. But seriously, has this place become all Apple, all the time?
they should've named it iTalk to go along with all the other apple names.
please me, have no regrets.
"Meanwhile Zeroconf sits in the corner and cries."
Taco, if you're ignorant, then don't bother adding your comments.
OpenTalk/Rendezvous IS ZeroConf!! OpenTalk/Rendezvous are just the names given to Apple's implementation of ZeroConf.
Just like:
* 801.11b/g was named AirPort
* 30" LCD display was names "cinema display"
* CIFS implementation is known as Samba
* IEEE1394 is known as Firewire
Zeroconf is known as OpenTalk/Rendezvous!
Is that clear now ?
- mritunjai
Now that Apple's got a pretty good speech-recognition and text-to-speech engine, all the networking talks have to compete with the real talking for cute marketing terminology, such as "PlainTalk."
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Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?
You idiot, Rendezvous is openBut then again, I don't expect somone with a UID as high as 761208 to know that...
Maybe the FSF or someone in that league should try to trademark Open* names and reserve them for Open programs?
Under USPTO regulations, I do not believe that you are allowed to "reserve" trademark names. I believe that you can only trademark names that you are actually using in active commerce or that you are actively preparing to launch in commerce. This is probably a good thing, because otherwise it would be like the situation with domain names -- people registering hundreds or thousands of names that they have no intention of ever using on the hope that they will pre-empt somone else's usage, and then extort a payoff.
I think you misread/failed to read the article. Apple is changing their product's name. Tibco is not.
As for this article, let this be a lesson to you: if you sue Apple over a name, it is you who will end up having to change your name.
What? _Apple_ is changing their name, not the company.
I've heard of not reading the article (RTFA), but rarely seen someone who didn't even read the summary.
Given that the issue was that there were two things called 'rendezvous' the statement:
:-)
Rendezvous' new name will be OpenTalk
doesn't really help
Slashdot looked deep within my soul and assigned
me a number based on the order in which I joined
Rendezvous (or OpenTalk or whatever) already is, and always has been open source.
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http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/rend
- proton
Is there a Mozilla implementation?
Apple is one of the few companies creating innovative technologies and doing stuff that matters with it.
For example last night, I picked up an Airport Express. From unpacking to hearing streaming music on my stereo, less than 5 minutes.
Is WiFi new? No.
Is streaming music new? No.
But Apple has taken the same basic building blocks everyone else has to play with and made something innovative.
The iPod is the same story.
Frankly I'm surprised you can understand it either, with a UID as high as 212035!
What were you guys doing when Slashdot started taking accounts, reading Byte?
Translate that headline in French and it give you something like Tibco doesn't want you to use the word "meeting" or "appointment"
c h?q=rendezvou s
Or more simply, the English word rendezvous.
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear
can they realy do that?
I know, it's like the old Windows vs windows (and no, I won't mention french windows) but think about it.
Tibco's Rendezvous can be used to the do same task as Apple's Rendezvous, i.e. dynamic configuration. They both use multicast and don't require server endpoint configurations like addresses, etc. However Tibco's Rendezvous can also do generic, certified, and transactional messaging and hence Apple's product description does harm by implying Tibco's software has less capabilities, i.e. inferior, to what it really is.
To update the trademark links, Tibco was formally Teknekron:
CoffeeTalk!
Rendezvous/OpenTalk is an implementation of ZeroConf, ZeroConf is an open standard, therefore Rendezvous/OpenTalk is an implementation of an open standard.
Beyond that, Apple's source code for their mDNSResponder (the core of Rendezvous/OpenTalk) has been available under the APSL since it debuted in jaguar, and therefore is open source.
So I'd say OpenTalk is a reasonable name to use (espescially in comparison with AppleTalk which did the same thing in an apple only sort of way).
Shrewd marketing. Rendezvous always sounded kinda French to me.
Everybody knows us Amurricans in the red states don't like nothin' French. Suddenly I feel like goin' out and buyin' me a big bunch o' Apples!
When all you have is an axe, everything looks like a grindstone.
If you're an english speaker and you don't know the word "rendezvous" then you DESERVE to feel like in idiot. It's not a made up word, or even technical. It's in the dictionary. And not just the OED, it's in every 2 dollar cheapo Merriam-Webster dictionary that you got from a used bookstore in high school and you still keep around. What the hell is wrong with people?
google these things before they settle on a name? Tibco's Rendevous has been around for a while. It takes 5 seconds and saves big headaches later . . .
Does anyone know of open source tools for configuring Macs using ZeroConf? It would be nice to have printers auto-configured when mac users plug into our UNIX network. For now they can use IP or the samba service, but those require that the user actually know something.
it looks like Apple is trying to purposefully confuse people by prepending "Open" to this product
<sarcasm>Yes, deliberately using the term "open" to describe an open standard based on an open source project is just so sneaky and underhanded...</>
It does not get any better stealing from foreigners in this case the French.
How wouild you all feel if a French company decided to Trademark Meeting it's laughable.
Help fight continental drift.
will be to go through the dictionary and append the word prefixes "Open", "G", "e", "Free", "K", and "i" to every word and then trademark them. I will be the King of Trademarks. Anyone contemplating releasing any computer product must pay me unreasonably large amounts of money. I will be rich!
Ok.. Let's get started, OpenAardvark(tm)(R), GAardvark(tm)(R), e-Aardvark(tm)(R), FreeAardvark (tm)(R), KAardvark (tm)(R), iAardvark(tm)(R).....
OpenTalk, AppleTalk, HyperTalk, LocalTalk, MacinTalk... ...BabelTalk, YadayadaTalk, JargonTalk...
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Open Transport is still present; it's Carbon's high-level networking API.
Which license does the original program use?
APSL, which is like "GPL for everyone but Apple".
the Rendevous program itself does not appear to be Free Software from what I found on the web site
Which web site? this one?
...spike
Ewwwwww, coconut...
It impressed me. ;-)
I thought all the people with low IDs, like 10, were in nursing homes or had passed on.
OpenTalk says even *less* than Rendezvous! Look at the definition:
1 A meeting at a prearranged time and place. See Synonyms at engagement.
2 A prearranged meeting place, especially an assembly point for troops or ships.
3 A popular gathering place: The café is a favorite rendezvous for artists.
4 Aerospace. The process of bringing two spacecraft together.
All have something to do with getting together ("connecting") in a certain geographic proximity. Since people on the same subnet (where Rendezvous works) tend to be physically close, the name is PERFECT!
OpenTalk just sounds like, well, some kind of open communication thing. Who is communicating with whom? How are they communicating? What makes this method different from all the others? OpenTalk is as worthless a name as OpenTransport or a thousand other bland CamelCase words. Hell, at least AppleTalk let you know *something* about the intended use--it was for Apples.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
AppleTalk is not just a transport protocol; it's a suite of networking protocols. Much of the functionality of AppleTalk was in its auto configuration ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and NBP (Name binding protocol) as well as discovery features. Other *Talks were simply AppleTalk over non LocalTalk cables (LocalTalk was the original serial cables used to network Macs).
So as simple LocalTalk cabling was replaced by Ethernet networks, Apple referred to AppleTalk over Ethernet as "EtherTalk". TokenTalk was AT over Token Ring. "PhoneTalk" was another vendor's replacement of LocalTalk with phone lines. All the Apple *Talks were AppleTalk. Not just a transport protocol, but a whole set of AppleTalk features available on whatever data link and physical layer you installed for it.
When TCP/IP started replacing local transport protocols (such as AppleTalk and Microsoft's NetBIOS / NetBEUI), Macs generally kept using AppleTalk in addition to TCP/IP, because AppleTalk provided features unavailable in TCP/IP. In fact, Apple has tried to get rid of AppleTalk in the transition to OS X, but recently returned to turning AppleTalk on by default in new installations of OS X.
Turn off AppleTalk for Mac OS 9 users and their super simple Chooser (for browsing printers and servers) stops working, and the Mac users get upset.
Apple migrated the benefits of AppleTalk to TCP/IP and in doing so basically invented ZeroConfig. They released the technology suite to the IETF intending to make it open standard. The Rendezvous marketing name was first applied to ZeroConfig as a principle feature in Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar.
They already had published ZeroConfig / Rendezvous as an open standard so anyone could implement the technology (as Tivo and several printer manufacturers have), but Apple has also actually written the code for POSIX and released it as open source so that Linux and Unix users could share the same benefits that Apple invented for AppleTalk over standard TCP/IP.
With that in mind, OpenTalk is a useful name to describe what ZeroConfig is and what it does. It's AppleTalk features applied to TCP/IP. Rendezvous was a mysterious marketing name that nobody seemed to get the point of without observing what some Rendezvous enabled app could do. In that sense, it was a lot like Expose: hard to explain, but instantly demonstrable.