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MATRIX Database Schema Altered Due to Privacy Concerns

nusratt writes "Associated Press: 'The Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange combines state vehicle and crime records with commercial databases owned by a private company, Seisint, covering half the U.S. population,' but there were 'questions about the legality of sending state-owned records to Seisint'. The solution? "Each state will maintain its own records . . . Software will search each state's records as necessary.' 'The new setup is designed to get around obstacles in some states' data laws.'"

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  1. NFG, Really. by mfh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Each state will maintain its own records . . . Software will search each state's records as necessary. The new setup is designed to get around obstacles in some states' data laws.

    I am a programmer and let me just say that this is a really bad idea. Why? Because it's always a bad idea to design a large system that acts like a server but essentially is only a client.

    Each state running their own version of the system, operating independently of the other states, will only ensure that the system could become easily corruptible (both criminally and data corrupted), without anyone higher examining the system for audits, outside of audits applied to the individual systems.

    It's actually better to have one system and have multiple clients to the system with downgraded permissions, so that a team can go through and audit the whole system easier.

    Now I'm not saying I'm all for Seisint holding the keys. Really the government should run this system themselves and hire the right people for the job, with the adequate level of security clearance to do the work. But diffracting a system into multiple independent systems operating on roughly the same premise, is not going to make it any better. It's going to cause lots of problems and I can foresee the following results without much effort, even:

    1. Some states will apply problematic functions to the system.
    2. Zero data cohesion for audits over the multiple systems.
    3. Easier to corrupt state driven systems than federal ones.
    4. Criminal activity changes jurisdiction (ie: no longer federal crime, perhaps?)
    5. Bugs cropping up in one state won't be present in another.
    6. Fifty times the cost of maintaining the systems; the guys doing this, just multiplied their haul by the number of states involved, instead of getting paid one lump sum to do the fsking job.
    7. Social Engineers can break into state-run systems much easier, because they don't have to travel half way across the country to get in.
    8. Criminals are now able to falsify criminal information like on that horrible movie The Net!
    9. Awareness of a fragmented system is not enough to safeguard privacy.

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    1. Re:NFG, Really. by Luguber123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tho there is a alot to gain in making one coherent system diversity have also proven to give good results, if the operator got a mind of him own that is.
      Google works pretty well for digging out information even tho there is no coherent underlying structure, there may be duplicate information, but there are posibilities to optimize such a system for a specific task, delegating control over information where it belongs rather than having anyone with a "security clearance" on the planet beeing able to tamper with it. I mean, some politicans are even regarded as secure!

      Don't forget! a perfect system will only hold the data of only one person.

  2. Another way to get around privacy laws by Shivantrill · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yay!!

    Another way for my illegitimate government to sidestep legitimate state data laws to invade my privacy.

    When will this madness stop? Europe is way ahead of the US when it comes to personl privacy.

    Flame on if you wish. I for one am ...

    Mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!
    Cue television throwing scene

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    1. Re:Another way to get around privacy laws by ultranaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How exactly is this sidestepping state laws? The whole point is that it is being changed in order to comply with the states laws.

  3. too much paperwork. by DruidBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'The new setup is designed to get around obstacles in some states' data laws.' Arn't there laws about that?

  4. "Get around obstacles by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'The new setup is designed to get around obstacles in some states' data laws.'"

    Yeah, damn those data-privacy-protecting obstacles! They do nothing but aid "the terrorists"!

  5. Fourth Amendment "Obstacles" by Grue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read this statement from the article carefully:

    The new setup is designed to allow for more frequent updates of the information and get around obstacles in some states' data laws, Zadra said

    Yes, that's right, those pesky laws designed to protect your privacy are "obstacles" that are getting in the way.

    *sigh*

    1. Re:Fourth Amendment "Obstacles" by nusratt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "is there any thing to prevent them from requesting that data from another state where it's allowed to be stored?"

      That's the real point. Everyone connected will still be able to get to the same data, from ANY other states. It's just a shell game, to circumvent privacy regulations, by not "storing" the data in Seisint.

    2. Re:Fourth Amendment "Obstacles" by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is how the NSA Echelon system works.

      The NSA is prohibited from using US NSA employees from listening in on US citizens.

      So they get the UK Echelon employees to do it.

      Not to mention that they want the laws prohibiting the CIA from doing domestic intelligence, and the military Posse Commitatus laws to be removed in the name of "efficiency in fighting terrorism".

      It's so fraggin' obvious what's up that only rightwing morons like Rush and O'Reilly and the nerdboys on /. who buy into it.

      It's like the modus operandi of every state in human history is not allowed to apply to the US because we live here or something.

      It's called "cognitive dissonance" - unless you're like me. I just call it "morons".

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  6. re: "Europe is way ahead in protecting privacy" by nusratt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Europe is way ahead of the US when it comes to personal privacy."

    I also used to think so -- until the EU caved to the U.S. and agreed to start regularly sending all of the EU's travel records to the U.S.

    Start following the news on things being done by the EU bureaucracy -- sometimes covertly and against the explicit wishes of the citizenry. Read the handwriting on the wall: more and more, the dominance of the U.S. -- militarily, culturally, politically and economically -- is poisoning the rest of what used to be called the "Free World".

    The evolution from the former European "Common Market" for easing trade frictions, to an EU with wider powers -- political powers -- is destined to be recognized someday as a grave error and a disaster for human rights.

  7. Politically correct? by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem stems from terrorism being color-blind and without nationality. We can evict as many Saudis, Mexicans, or Germans as we like and there'll still be someone who wants to hurt others. Look at the Oklahoma bombing case: McVeigh was as white as any "fellow citizen" yet still managed to blow up a building...

    There were obvious shortcomings in the way security was handled before 9/11. While I don't think a national identification system will help neither will evicting a nationality or race from western society.

    -Matt

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  8. What's the problem? by no+longer+myself · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Collecting this information may seem scary at first, but privacy isn't really lost. Just try finding your driver's license photo online, and unless you put it there yourself, you'll see that you're fairly well protected.

    The most harm that could come of this sort of system is the tendency for authorities to embarass you with such broad access to your history. Like the time the cop ran down my driving record after I denied speeding when he pulled me over for the offense. I already looked foolish enough to the passengers in my vehical, but it made me look even worse now that they knew every ticket I had for the past three years. Boy, did he ever put me in my place!

    So now they will have access to the websites you surf, the television you watch, the videos you rent, the foods you buy, the property you own, the banks you use, the crimes you've committed, the people you've met, the jobs you've held, the classes you've attended, the doctors you've seen, the diseases you've had, the opionions you've expressed, the sports you play, the religion you follow, the taxes you've paid, and so on, and so on...

    I guess the scariest part is when somebody else who meshes up with all the things you do and enjoy, happens to commit some kind of horrible atrocity. Now they run profiles through their database to determine other likely culprits for similar crimes, and lo- your name appears. You couldn't win the lottery, but you've won a free "closer inspection". But if you didn't do anything wrong, don't worry about it. You probably won't even know they were investigating you.

    It's easy to see where potential employers may also eventually have access to this information, and that's good too, because you wouldn't want to work with somebody who has a shady history now would you? Obviously, current employers need access to this information as well. Employees can be such a handful! Personal information can help you better manage them to make them more productive.

    Needless to say, one could only hope that banks will also be in line to have a shot at your personal info, because they need to know the spending habits of their clients in order to detect fraud. It's for your protection.

    Eventually many responsible corperations will have some degree of access to this information to better improve the comfort and security of their clients and associates. It will bring greater stability and certainty to the markets.

    And of course these records will always be available to local, state, and federal law enforcement for obvious beneficial reasons. It's much more effecient to investigators if they don't actually have to run around to investigate who, what, when, where, why, and how on a person's history. You can immediately establish links and let the obvious story fall into place. It's not as if you'll be denied a jury trial if it's a major offense.

    No... Only good can come of this so called "invasion of privacy" and the sooner it starts, the better.

    Note: Even when I play devil's advocate, this kind of thinking still scares the shit out of me, though I have no criminal history. Now can someone explain why that is?

  9. Re:Nobody said freedom was cheap by symbolic · · Score: 3, Insightful


    If the government can routinely blow 10's of billions of dollars on a war that wasn't justified, it can fork over a little extra to make sure the citizens are protected from unnessary, centralized, control over massive amounts of data on U.S. Citizens. We already KNOW ahat happens when so much data is centralized under the control of one entity- just ask almost anyone who has had their identity stolen.

    Even having said all this, I think that this MATRIX idea is a waste of money. Nobody knows what a "terrorist" looks like in terms of their spending habits. It's entirely possible that there is no discernible difference. There is plenty of room, however, to flag false positives, as has already been shown with the fed's "no fly" list. Because some of the stuff I've heard is really rather rediculous, I have no inclination to trust the fed with any more data on U.S. citizens than it had before 9/11.

  10. Forget PC, what about Principals? by Veridium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Order the deportation of all Saudi Citizens? Have you considered that Saudi Arabia is one of our closest allies in the middle east? Not to mention a very important source of oil? Put aside PC thought for a second, and consider the diplomatic and geopolitical ramifications of villainizing that people? That people, the vast majority of whom have not attacked America? Why not just send them an open letter and ask them to join Al Qaeda and to stop selling us oil?

    As for your analogy with the other world powers in history, let me ask you something about them. Where are they? Where is their power now? If we walk in their path, we will reach the same destination they did. We are not Romans, we are not Germans, we are Americans. We ought to blaze our own trails, ahdering to the principals upon which this nation was founded.

    Yes it is racist to look at someone from a particular race/nationality and judge them by their group identity. The cornerstone of a free society is the recognition of individual identity and individual rights. Every day in America, 3,000 people die from a combination of tobacco, alcohol, and medical malpractice. That's 9/11 everyday. Every single day, 3,000 avoidable deaths occur. We do not take away individual liberty because of them. We do not give up the principle of freedom because of it. Why then, should we compromise our principals for a singular incident where 3,000 people died?

    Give me Liberty or give me death.
    Live free or die. Better to be dead right, than alive wrong, in chains, bowing the knee. And that is the fate that awaits everyone who gives up their liberty and rights for security. They will bow the knee, they will see lady liberty bow the knee, and the blood of all those who have fought for the principals of our nation, will have been shed in vain.

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  11. 20 minutes into the future... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody remember that Max Headroom episode? Centralised systems can lead to all sorts of scary situations. Seems to me that the most benefit that can be accrued from this type of system accrues to those in a position to abuse it.