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70% Of 2004 Virus Activity Down To One Man

arpy writes "According to a report produced by anti-virus software provider Sophos, 70% of anti-virus activity in the first half of this year can be blamed on Sven Jaschan, an 18-year-old German who wrote the Netsky and Sasser worms. According to the report, "Sasser claimed the top spot of the virus chart, in spite of the raging battle between the widespread Netsky and Bagle worms." The Register has a good summary of the report."

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  1. Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I could of sworn it was Bill Gates..

    1. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by hummassa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of this was about Bill Gates, the headline would be "99.9% of 2004 virus activity down to one man" :-)

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    2. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by The+Spoonman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Me, I would have placed the blame squarely on all of the admins out there who allowed their systems to be compromised by the worms in the first place. That includes the admins of the e-mail systems of ISPs. It's time to start placing blame where it belongs. Security is a job function, not a function of the system. An {OS/mail system/website/whatever} is only as secure as its admin.

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    3. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Me, I would have placed the blame squarely on all of the admins out there who allowed their systems to be compromised by the worms in the first place.

      You mean that it's Joe user's fault that his DSL connected PC got infected? What do you suggest we do about that?

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    4. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by Jahf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait, you're saying it is the initial victim's fault that the virus authors wrote malicious code -and- released it publicly?

      I think if you're going to lay the responsibility chain, it lies primarily with the virus author.

      Subsequently, the responsibility lies on the DSL service provider who KNOWS they are selling to often uninformed users and yet fail to provide adequate first (NOC) or second level (CPE) protection for these users.

      Next responsility lands in the laps of those people who wrote software that was prone to infection.

      Last, reponsibility makes it to Joe User at that point and then recycles to the beginning for any systems that his infection spreads to.

      So I, as the end user, have -final- responsibility, but not primary responsibility nor -blame- for the infections. ... Think of it in terms of vandalism ...

      The primary person responsible for vandalism is ... the vandal.

      Subsquent responsibility (for prevention) is law enforcement. Is law enforcement to blame for the vandalism? Only if they do less than is required to reasonably address the situation (I don't expect them to spend all day hunting down the tagger 3 blocks over, but I -do- expect them to patrol all the blocks as much as they can without hampering other worthy law enforcement activities).

      Making the assumption that I know that I live in an area where people are vandalizing property, I will probably buy paint and materials that are durable enough to be washed/repaired (if I don't, we hit the next level) ... it is now the responsibility of that company to make materials that are up to the job. It won't stop the vandals, that is the job of the police, but it should make their vandalism as hard as possible to have a permanent effect.

      Last, I am responsible for -using- the materials above, I am responsible for calling law enforcement if there is an infraction so that they can address it. However, if I fail to do the above all that happens is the 2nd and 3rd levels of responsibility are void. I am still not responsible for the unknown vandal having decided to unleash their frustrations on my neighborhood.

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    5. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Are you sure its Sven Jaschan?

      Definately not... The story header here claims that "70% of anti-virus activity in the first half of this year can be blamed on Sven Jaschan", that makes a good headline for sure, but the FA itself says "Sven Jaschan, teenage author of the Sasser worm and member of Skynet, the gang responsible for distributing Netsky, confessed in May".

      So 70% of the virus activity has been done by one group of hackers, not by a single hacker.

      Facts people, we want facts!

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      After 3 days without programming, life becomes meaningless
      - The Tao of Programming
    6. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you suggest we do about that?

      Set up virus scanners at the ISP level - any mail that passes through an ISP's MTA gets scanned for viruses, double-extensioned attachments that would indicate possible worm payload (ie: anything that Windows will auto execute) should be bounced back to the sender with an "Unable to relay due to potential virus infection, see [website] for why we blocked this" error with instructions on how to fix it. Of course, that won't kill all routes but it'll guard a lot of people.

      Next block windows RPC ports at the router level, don't even route traffic between subscriber lines within the ISP network - I'm on Zen and, while Zen block access to windows ports from outside the network, once one machine inside is infected it spreads like mad. Some two thirds of my firewall logs are hits from infected machines owned by other zen subscribers. If people need to share files with remote machines they should use tunnels or VPN.

      Finally ISPs should also periodically portscan at least ports 0 to 1024 on subscriber machines and email those running machines without a firewall informing them that they are running a vulnerable box and provide instructions for how to lock it down. Those who fail two months of portscans without providing a valid reason why or start generating virus traffic are sandboxed with restricted email and web access to ISP instructions for how to get out of the sandbox.

      Of course, none of this is actually going to happen because ISPs will see it as likely to scare people off.

    7. Re:Are you sure its Sven Jaschan? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Me, I would have placed the blame squarely on all of the admins out there who allowed their systems to be compromised by the worms in the first place.

      In that twisted logic, I suppose you would blame gunshot victims for not wearing a bullet-proof vest or upgrading to the newest models when better armor piercing bullets came out.

      Are some admins just lazy who don't do their jobs? Yes. But an admin can't always patch right away.

      Remember in most corporate environments, admins can't simply patch a system when a new patch comes out. MS has burned them too many times with bad patches and this problem isn't an issue of the far past. Just last year, MS released a patch that crippled a computer's network connections. They released a fix online for the patch, but if you have no Internet, how do you get it?

      Admins have to test them first before rolling it out. In some cases this may take up to six months. If they put in a bad patch, it's their blame not MS.

      In some companies, admins have been plaqued with downsizes and more duties. This means for some of them security is just another load they have to tackle with normal admin duties.

      I think most admins would not want the 10+ hours it takes to clean up a virus/worm. They don't have much of a choice in many cases.

      --
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  2. In the words of "Pace Picante Sauce" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get a rope.... (raspy cowboy gunslingin' voice)

  3. Also... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


    > The Register has a good summary of the report.

    70% of slashdottings were caused by Slashdot.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    1. Re:Also... by gildesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, 100% of slashdottings were caused by slashdot.

      Where in the world are you getting your math from?

    2. Re:Also... by preposterity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speaking of dodgy maths, before my School Certificate (an exam all high school students do in year 10 in Australia), we did some sample questions.

      One of the question had a point with multiple lines coming out of it. The question asked you to measure each angle and to write down the sum of the angles. (Hint: 360deg)

      What was the "official" answer according to the answer sheet published by the Board of Studies? They would have accepted angles between 355 and 365 degrees.

    3. Re:Also... by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're measuring angles with an analog device with at best 1 degree accuracy per angle. When adding such imprecise data, yes, the margin for error increases.

      In fact, there are several lessons to learn from that. E.g.,:

      1. Any experimental data which neatly falls _exactly_ on the theoretical curve, and adds up to _exactly_ the predicted number is most probably cheated.

      I.e., had I been a teacher, I would have been a lot more suspicious of anyone who came with 360 there, than of someone whose angles added up to 355. The guy with 360 probably skipped the last angle and just subtracted the sum of the others from 360. Which is _not_ what was asked.

      2. Be aware of the imprecision involved in any measurement. Be aware how they add up, subtract or multiply. Especially for anyone working in any experimental science. (E.g., physics.) Or with computers.

      I.e., when that board calculated that, within the precision of the measuring device, it can be between 355 and 365, they did their homework. You didn't.

      3. If you work with computers, be aware of the limitations of the data type you use.

      E.g., if I see another clueless burger-flipper using 4 byte floats to hold money amounts in a database program, I'm gonna barf. Doubly so when then they start wondering why their final numbers are some 10,000$ off the mark.

      4. As a corolary, never use == with floating point results. Not even with the most trivial calculations (e.g., that the sum of the individual rows equals what's in the totals field.) Do what scientists and that Board of Studies do: calculate the expected margin for error and use an interval.

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    4. Re: Also... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > an exam all high school students do in year 10 in Australia

      Here in the USA, most of us finish high school within 6 or 7 years.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  4. Kill Him! by bwalling · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Probably not a good article to have floating around with your name in it. I'm sure there are plenty of helpdesk personnel, network administrators, and "computer guy" friends who would like to punch that guy in the mouth.

    1. Re:Kill Him! by KingDaveRa · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sure there are plenty of helpdesk personnel, network administrators, and "computer guy" friends who would like to punch that guy in the mouth.

      Not really. He keeps people like me in a job.

    2. Re:Kill Him! by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be painful to watch.

      There's nothing more pathetic than a bunch of nrds trying to throw a punch.

    3. Re:Kill Him! by Ba3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If a significant portion of the world's communications and commerce infrastructure can be signficantly effected by the hackings of a disgruntled, alienated minor, perhaps rather than murdering the most likely talented, albeit misguided youth, we could take a closer look at why our infrastructure is so vulnerable.

    4. Re:Kill Him! by pvt_medic · · Score: 4, Funny

      or maybe there is good still in him and we can sway him back to the good side of the force

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      30% Troll, 50% Underrated, 10% Interesting
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  5. Can you say... by Freon115 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Scapegoat?

    Isn't he the one Valve blamed for the HL2 source code theft as well?

    1. Re:Can you say... by Jeff+Kelly · · Score: 5, Informative

      No that has been a phatbot infection.

      This poor guy may have been arrested for the development of Netsky/Sasser but according to several IT-Newspapers in germany he was not the only one who was developing them. There were some backings and partners who may have made him their scapegoat although these are mainly rumors.

      This guy has also been blamed for phatbot although that one was developed by a different person meanwhile arrested (which at some time in the past had made contact to the Netsky Author)

      Jeff

    2. Re: Can you say... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


      > Should I put on my tinfoil hat now?

      Yes, it improves our reception.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  6. Strange coincidence by leathered · · Score: 5, Funny

    70% of virus infections in my neighbourhood are caused by just one woman.

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    For all intensive porpoises your a bunch of rediculous loosers
    1. Re:Strange coincidence by b374 · · Score: 4, Funny
      70% of virus infections in my neighbourhood are caused by just one woman.
      I heard the reason is that one can open her ports in promiscuous mode...
  7. Good or Bad by lachlan76 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be honest, I'd rather have to do AV work on one virus 70% of the time, and spend the other 30% fixing a couple of others. Maybe write a script if need be, and 70% of the time, I just do the same thing over and over.

    Or, you could spend 10% of the time working on each of 10 viruses. Suddenly, you think, I wish I could be 70% sure what the problem will be, it is alot easier.

  8. What About the Russians? by toonerh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The mainstream and tech press is always implicating Russian crackers or links to .ru sites... What's the real deal? Someone is feeding us disinformation with a shovel.

  9. the bounty wins out by khallow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Looks like Microsoft indeed had a great idea with its bounty for turning in virus writers. From the article, it appears that the bounty was a key factor in getting this guy caught. And he's responsible for three viruses which are claimed to have caused "70%" of "virus activity" detected by Sophos (whoever those guys are). I assume that means this guy was plenty of trouble for Microsoft.

    You got to wonder why Microsoft never did this before. From a business standpoint, the return on investment for this $250,000 bounty is probably going to be quite impressive.

  10. In other news... by b374 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...99% of virus activity this year due to bugs / vulnerabilities in products from a single company.

    1. Re:In other news... by Lumica · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, it ain't MS fault one can't even write a decent virus on Linux :*) It ain't that easy to spread a virus when everyone you want to infect needs to grab the sources of the virus, compile them, then needs to update a few libs, which will only run with a new kernel, this in turn needs update of [...and so on...]. No virus kid^H^H^Hwriter is up to that challenge, especially since there will be near to no hope getting into the antivir highscore's with this.

  11. Choice quote by TheFairElf · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The computer worm he created continues to spread despite the fact that their creator has been taken out of the equation."
    duh!

    1. Re:Choice quote by dfj225 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And all this time I thought people who wrote worms had to sit there and manually enter IP address for the worm to attack next!

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      SIGFAULT
  12. I can't rightly apprehend this... by DeadVulcan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The computer worm he created continues to spread despite the fact that their creator has been taken out of the equation.

    How on earth must one believe that a worm works (or think that one's readers believe that a worm works) in order for them make such a statement?

    I'm reminded of a great quote by Charles Babbage. Babbage was asked (by a member of parliament... of course) whether his analytical engine will, in spite of being given erroneous input, nevertheless arrive at the desired answer. Babbage's response?

    "I cannot rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that would provoke such a question."

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    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
    1. Re:I can't rightly apprehend this... by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

      How on earth must one believe that a worm works (or think that one's readers believe that a worm works) in order for them make such a statement?

      I suspect a lot of people think they all get sent directly by the person who wrote them, and that they are somehow under his control.

      But to be honest, I don't think most pepole actually think about how computer programs work at all. They just do.

      It's like when I wrote a chess playing program as an exercise. I showed it off to a friend, and then said I wasn't entirely happy with the way it played. The response: "How can you not be happy? Isn't it playing like you do?"

      Err... no... I didn't just copy my brain directly into the computer, actually.

  13. Still the more dangerous Worm has been Phatbot by Jeff+Kelly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah Netsky and Sasser have gained much more notoriety but actually phatbot has been (and still is) the more dangerous worm/trojan/backdoor around in 2004.

    There are currently several thousend different modifications of phatbot around and in contrast to Netsky/Sasser, phatboy infected systems are being commercially exploited as spam relays for UCE/UBE and Hatemail. In Europe neofascist/neonazi groups use phatboy to finance and also to distribute their propaganda.

    You can buy lists with the ips of compromised phatboy-infected computers to use for your own spam-enterprise. There are even groups which will code you your own version custom-built to your likings.

    Strangely the author of Netsky/Sasser has gained much more public interest. Yeah it was probably more annoying and a real hassle for the sysadmins. On the other hand phatboy is more dangerous than netsky and is actively exploited with criminal intent. Although the writer of phatbot has been arrested as well (coincidently also a german) all you ever hear about is the author of sasser.

    Jeff

  14. An open letter to Sven Jaschan by Schreckgestalt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Although you may not be able to read this, I still want to shout out a huge thank you.

    THANK YOU!

    People like you help me argument against the beady-eyed managers that a computer-monoculture is bad for business.

    How else could I easily bring Linux or Firefox on Windows to our enterprise customers? And hey, what people know from the office, they will also use at home.

    Not to say that you help the OSS community, but you do.

    Thanks again.

  15. Attention-Seeking Geek by sciop101 · · Score: 3, Informative
    And now the rest of the story!

    "...one of Jaschan's schoolfriends revealed the worm author's identity to Microsoft."

    http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/articles/netskyher o.html

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    The only thing new in this world is the history that you don't know.[Harry Truman]
  16. As a self-appointed representative of ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    the top virii writers of the world, we strongly dispute the figures underlying this study. Jaschan, who, by the way, is not certified, has released virii that make up 70% of the recognizable infections. However, the truly top infections released this year have been stealth mutating virii that, to this day, own over 62.7% of the world's Windows computers (including an impressive 71.9% of the Pentagon's Windows laptops). When SP2 is released, they will SPRING into action, finally and gloriously proclaiming their true intent: to get Yahoo Serious a write-in Academy Award. Doesn't have to be for acting. Writing will do.

    I, for one, welcome my Yahoo Serious Overlord.

  17. this reminds me a bit of Vernor Vinge's stuff... by Malor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Vinge is a great(!) SF author. Many of his novels deal with an idea he calls the Singularity; the concept that technology will keep accelerating until we gain the ability to increase our own intelligence, at which point the changes will come so fast that we we will become unrecognizable to pre-Singularity humans.

    One of his fundamental ideas is that the growth of technology will give individuals more and more power. I'm not sure if he explicitly says this himself, but one of his themes is that individual people will have the power of atom bombs. It won't BE atom bombs, it will be something else... like the ability to write viruses.

    In terms of direct harm, it would appear that Sasser may have done more damage than slamming planes into the WTC. Indirect damage, everyone overreacting and doing stupid things, was tremendously greater with the WTC, of course. But in terms of direct, measurable damage ... perhaps Sasser and Netsky were worse?

    Speaking, again, purely in economic terms, I wonder how Sasser and Netsky rate against the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombs? I realise that the viruses probably didn't kill anyone, and they didn't start or end any wars. We don't feel it as much because everyone paid a little bit, instead of a few people paying a whole lot... but in terms of actual dollars/yen/economic value, I wonder how they compare?

    However that comparison comes out, being singlehandledly responsible for 70% of all virus activity over the last year is *a lot* of power. Vinge's Singularity may not be that far off... assuming we don't virus ourselves to death first, anyway.

  18. Re:Death threats? by goldspider · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Im guessing the general population would want him lynched but these are probably the same sort of people who blame..."

    This guy wrote the worms. He is directly responsible for 100% of the damage they caused.

    I'd say people are justified to be angry at him.

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    "Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
  19. His mother must be so proud! by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Funny
    The envy of all the coffee mornings.

    "So what does your son do?"

    "He's in prison after writing the worlds most successful computer viruses. Ouch! Don't hit me! Ouch! Stoppp!

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    -WolfWithoutAClause

    "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
  20. Great job by Wind_Walker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yeah, this is exactly what we want to do to virus writers - give them recognition and a "ranking". Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.

    It's bad enough that they feel the need to "compete" against other virus writers for some internet version of "street cred" but now we're fucking ranking them?

    How long until people start writing viruses just to "get points" on some chart somewhere? Christ, you people have no logic whatsoever.

  21. Odd by transient · · Score: 3, Funny

    Coincidentally, 70% of my voicemail messages are Sophos salespeople. Andrew, if you're reading this: for the love of God, STOP CALLING ME!!!

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    irb(main):001:0>
  22. Full quote by Sindri · · Score: 4, Informative

    "On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)

  23. Re:re by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "More power to him I say.[...] Expecting people 'not' to crack/compromise insecure systems, a daydream you're having"

    Newsflash: the real world was not built on being 100 unbreakable and unpenetrable.

    E.g., your front door would _not_ be unbreakable to someone determined to get past it with an axe. It's a known vulnerability, for the past few thousands of years, and noone's fixing it. Your windows are likely even more vulnerable.

    E.g., locks can be picked. Locks with master keys allow for escalation of privileges by attacking one pin at a time. It's a known vulnerability too.

    The way Real Life works isn't to waste manpower and money to make something 100% impenetrable. Real Life works by basically just setting up a big sign that says "you're not allowed past this point." And if you do, we'll throw your sorry ass in jail.

    That's really all that your front door and lock are: a sign that other people are not allowed past that point. If someone actually does the effort to pick the lock or hack down the door, it's proof enough that they did get their hint to stay out and deliberately circumvented it. So we throw them in jail.

    If someone entered your home, it's not the door manufacturer's fault, it's not the lock manufacturer's fault, it's simply the thief that's to blame. That's the one who deserves some fine time in a state prison.

    That's the security model that the Real World society was built upon. It's not perfect, but it worked wonderfully so far.

    And here's your free complimentary clue for the day: those Windows users' instinctive expectation of computer security is the same. They don't expect their computers to be an impenetrable fortress, since their RL home or car isn't either. They do expect that whoever breaks past the boundary of their home, car or computer be thrown into state jail.

    Unrealistic expectation at the moment? Maybe. But not an _unreasonable_ one. As in: it's not unreasonable to throw the script kiddie or virus writer in jail anyway. Sure, we won't stop trying to make the apps more secure, but in the meantime we also throw the asshole in jail to deter other assholes.

    And maybe it's time to give users what they ask for, instead of idiotically insisting that they addapt to what we feel like programming. Not even just in this aspect. The software industry is a fucking disaster in this aspect, and all this whining about "idiot users" and "idiot managers" is just proof of it.

    Any other industry, they try to make things comfortable and obvious for the user. In the software industry we just call them idiots and have whole sites dedicated to whining about them.

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    A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
  24. Re:re by bucky128 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To use your "real world" model, Windows is not analagous to a locked car sitting on the street in a relatively nice neighborhood. Windows is analagous to a car with all its doors open and a key in the ignition, sitting in the middle of downtown Gotham City.

    It's *going to* get stolen (hijacked) unless you do something about it.

    I'm all for putting this guy in jail. But at the same time, it's unrealistic to expect hackers to stay away from a computer whose OS is full of vulnerabilities, from which they stand to profit.

    You say you want to give users what they ask for....what all MY users are asking for, primarily, is "not to be bothered with this bullshit virus stuff," and the best way to make that happen at this point, IMHO, is to make it far more difficult to gain access to their computers.

    Sure, you can make an example of this guy, but I don't think that's going to stop the tidal wave of virus attacks. Instead of relying on the courts to enforce things like this, I'd much rather see an increase in computer security. Just give all your users personal firewalls (the RL equivalent of locks on their car doors)....something really simple like Zone. Software that DOES make things comfortable and obvious for the user.

    And when the problems go away, they will remember that security, not the court system, solved the problem.

    --B

  25. Wow! Congrats, Sven! by switcha · · Score: 3, Funny

    What an honor! I'd like to send to a congratulations gift. What's your email?

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    You know what? ... A little club soda *did* get that out!
  26. It gets worse... by duck_prime · · Score: 3, Funny

    70% of virus infections in my neighbourhood
    are caused by just one woman.

    I heard the reason is that one can open her ports
    in promiscuous mode...

    Yeah, if you want some fast physical I/O and you
    have insufficient cache, just ... buffer.