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Are Job Perks Coming into Vogue Again?

Pharmboy asks: "The Register is reporting on a company that was awarded 'Best Small Company to Work for in America' by the Detroit Free Press, in part, for providing Free beer to their employees. They offer free breakfast, lunch AND dinner, gym and snacks. This sounds similar to the late 90s, where companies were offering extreme benefits to attract extreme talent, before the bubble burst and most workers were just glad to have a job. As the job market gains strength, what are companies willing to do in order to attract the best talent? Are we about to enter another era where employers are willing to make work fun again, in order to attract and keep talent? Will this have any effect on other employers, forcing them to again offer benefits to keep pace and talent? How important are these kinds of perks to the average employee anyway? What kind of perks would you have to have to switch to a job that pay the same?"

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  1. Are jobs coming into vogue again? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, it seems the job market is only marginally better these days.

    1. Re:Are jobs coming into vogue again? by caswelmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, that's what happens. As people bitch about not having a job, someone like you comes along and works their arse off to make something of themself. Imagine that, working hard to improve your life and that of your family.

      You know what folks, the parent is the real American. He/she realizes that noone hands anything to you. They work their butt off to make something of themself and if the job market turns bad (here's a thought) they work harder.

      Funny, I'm a young engineer and my company is laying people off. Yet, somehow they keep me around. I wonder if it's because I EARN MY KEEP.

      Sorry, just a little conservative ranting. :^)

    2. Re:Are jobs coming into vogue again? by jrockway · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry about the OT random reply, but look at your obfuscated email:

      gene@teaCOFFEEmtri.com minus caffeine

      you have tea and coffee in there... which caffeine do I remove :-)

      What were the odds that your address would get split there and that the de-obfuscating recipe would call for the removal of it :)

      Sorry, I just found that amusing.

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    3. Re:Are jobs coming into vogue again? by Nurf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Assuming you are not a troll - dude, toss some of those jobs *my* way!

      Nope. Not a troll. I can't really toss them your way though - they're a little specialised. I can tell you how I got into the position I am in, though.

      This assumes you are in a place with a reasonable population. I live in Seattle, but any city will probably do. I prefer to work for small companies and do interesting stuff. In this space, word of mouth and referrals are everything.

      These tips are for people who want to get into software or electronics hardware with a bit more of an emphasis on consumer stuff rather than IT stuff. It also assumes that you are reasonably good at what you do. Word of mouth comes from making people proud to recommend you. It has taken me three years to get to my current position, and I did it as a sort of freelance contractor.

      Here are some hints:

      1:

      Join the local Audio Engineering Society chapter, or if nothing else, go to some of their meetings. They are happy to see new faces. I think the AES is a particularly good one to go to because they attract all sorts of people - musicians, people with home audio setups, hardcore analog design engineers, students, DJs, software engineers, etc.

      Talk to people. Be friendly, ask them what they are doing. Ask them about stuff that they are obviously interested in. If someone mentions that they need a person that can do such-and-such, and you know someone that is a good fit, offer to connect them and then do so. Don't recommend people you don't think are a good fit. Being someone who knows people who can help is a good long term thing to be. Eventually it will affect you directly because a person you have helped will probably recommend you for something.

      Don't push yourself, but be enthusiastic about the technical stuff you like doing. If someone needs you, they will tell you. You are not selling yourself, you are just being you. This is important.

      2:

      Be willing to do odd jobs that would otherwise be beneath you. I have done things like install SSH chroot environments to allow secure uploads. I charged $60/hour, and it only took a few hours. As a result, there are now five people that think of me first when they want something technical on unix done.

      3:

      Be willing to accept jobs that you know you can do, but that you know you haven't done before. Be honest about this to a potential client. It's a wonderful way to to learn new things, and keep food on the table. Keep track of your time, and estimate how much time it would have taken you if you were an expert. Only charge for that time. Your customers should get good value for money - they aren't subsidising your learning directly.

      This leads to an important corollary: If people know you accept things you have never done before and then do them well, you get a reputation as a person who can do anything. This is priceless, and is the main reason I am turning away juicy offers. People phone me when they are in a jam, and say things like "We know you don't do this sort of stuff normally, but we also know you finish things. Please help".

      4:

      Dont be afraid to say "no". Saying no, when done right, increases your value. These are the conditions: You have to say no for a good reason, like "I'm sorry, but I'm busy working on another project" or "I'm sorry, but I cant allocate that much time to a project, and I wouldn't be providing the kind of service that I think is a minimum requirement". If you need the work, take it, but realise that saying "no" isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially if you refer as per 5:.

      5:

      Don't be afraid to refer. After a while, you will know a lot of people that can do different things, and you would have worked with many of them. If someone offers you work and you can't take it, pass it on - refer someone you know will make them happy. People will learn that even if they aren't sure you can do something, you probably know someone

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  2. Would want these employees? by waynegoode · · Score: 4, Informative

    Would you really want to hire employees who would be motivated by "free beer?"

    I can understand how it could be to a company's advantage to offer free perks, but I can think of dozens (okay, thousands) that would be better for the company than free beer but still motivate employees.

    1. Re:Would want these employees? by SnapShot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Different strokes for different folks. I can't think of a better perk than beer for two reasons.

      1. Its beer...
      2. If my employer is handing me a beer it means that the work day is complete and there is no expectation that I'm going to go back to work and do anything more productive than surf the web. Recognition that the day is complete is one of the best perks there is.

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    2. Re:Would want these employees? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LOL @ #1 !

      I read the original Register article and thought the best thing was the laundry service, mainly because thats a chore that I *hate* and therefore something like that would improve my quality of life. If an employer offered to do my ironing as well, then I'd probably be an employee for life!!

      Although I do like the beer idea also, there's only *so much* of the stuff you can drink, and although drinks are work are fine, my work collegues aren't the people I want to hang out with all the time. And I'm not really a day-time drinker -- even if it is end of working day!

    3. Re:Would want these employees? by hazem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ultimate goal is to have them never leave the office.

      Only to those unenlightened souls who believe that by spending more hours at the office you're getting more done. People simply aren't machines... they require more than just food, drink, and sleep.

      Sadly, too many people believe in the concept you've brought up.

  3. You Insensitive Clods! by darth_MALL · · Score: 4, Funny

    My only job perk is Vogue!

  4. stronger? by .@. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Job market getting stronger? I think you'd better go back and check the monthly jobless claims against the (revised downwards, sometimes repeatedly) new jobs reports. The past four years may see a zero gain in jobs, possibly even a net loss in jobs in the US.

    People are still getting laid off. The example you cite is an exception; it's nowhere near the norm these days, nor will it be anytime in the near future.

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    1. Re:stronger? by jbash · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, I don't know about others, bit I'm still unemployed since September 2003 ...

      After nearly 23 years with one organization .... to whom I was loyal and faithful ...

      My UI benefits were exhausted last month ...

      I now own a business: but it is a start up, and we are frantically trying to reach the breakeven point; we arent there yet .... we wont be there for a few months, and even then: we wont be able to pull a salary there for a few months after that ...

      Im down to my last $150 in my bank account ...

      My rent is due in 24 days ... and I dont have it ...

      I have three kids: the oldest could not start college, because we cannot afford her modest tuition ...

      We are starting to buy basic staples: rice and bean, pasta and flour ... in anticipation of running out of other 'easier' foods ...

      My credit cards are saving my life, for the moment, but they will require another payment in 28 days ...

      The job search, which should have already ended with a good job, has stalled, and gone stale: I have four outstanding cover letter/resume packages with prospects for decent work, but they are sitting on them, while I start to sweat it ... badly ....

      I have sent each of those four a kindly email to find out my current status, and all four say I am in the running .... but: the clock is ticking ....

      I have been thinking about looking up the local food bank ... my thoughts are now floating towards memories of obtaining food stamps, and the shame I felt being in that office, and answering those questions ...

      All the while: knowing I have vast technical experience that surpasses nearly anyone else in the local job market, and should have been hired weeks ago .... I think my experience scares prospective employers ... I have been paring it down to the bare bones to try to be more attractive to employers: so far: no dice ....

      So as I ponder my near term future: as I fret over how I will feed and house my children and wife, as I wait by the phone, wondering if those whom still consider me a 'viable candidate' for open jobs will actually call, wondering if I should at least find a menial job of ANY kind in the interim: fry cook, janitor, laborer, gas jockey, ANYTHING .... I am resisting making further contect with my 'prospective' future employers, so I dont reveal my ever growing desperation .....

      Im going to dig in the phone book: and see if I can find a backdoor into my chosen field ... otherwise: all Im doing is spinning my wheels, waiting for a call that may never come ...

      Sighs: dont you wonder how much better this GOP economy can get ? ...

      Do you wonder how many jobs 2.4 TRILLION dollars in tax cuts will buy the nation ? ....

      Is it trickling down yet ??? ...

      Someone tell me if it does: I would hate to miss it ....

    2. Re:stronger? by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was out of work for 6 months, and finally ended up taking a job paying 50% less than what I was making before. Me and my wife and two children maxed out my credit cards, were forced to move out of our (rental) house, and lived in one room of my sister's trailer for 2 months, and one room of my father's apartment for 2 months.

      When I got the job, I had to leave my wife and kids every week for 3 weeks and drive 6 hours each way to the new job, and only see them on the weekends. I eventually was able to get an apartment, and have been in the same job for 2 years. My debt load continues to increase and my credit rating is about as low as it can get because I have not had the funds available to pay off my existing debt. However, I am able to buy food and keep up with the car payments (the one thing I was able to keep through all this, and believe me it hasn't been easy).

      Now, I'm going back to college. I work full time during the day and take classes early in the morning and late at night. It is difficult, but I'm doing it. As a previous poster noted, you can get by on loans and grants quite easily. Currently my loans and grants pay my tuition, books, plus around 3 grand extra per semester, which I use to make car repairs, buy the kids clothes, and pay off the loudest debt collectors as I can.

      My point is, things can always get worse, but you can also always adjust your standard of living to get through the lean times. You mentioned you started a new business, and I have to question the wisdom of that when you are having trouble with basic necessities. Starting a business is a huge risk, and taking that kind of risk when you are so close to financial ruin already is not the smartest thing to do.

      As for food stamps, yes it is humiliating, but keep in mind that these things are designed to help people like you who are normally able to support themselves, but have fallen on hard times. You have spent 23 years paying into the welfare system, you should not hesitate to take what you need back out of it when you are having a tough time.

      If these four prospects are taking their time, go after more jobs. Sometimes, when you get desperate, you have to simply accept the first offer you get just to make ends meet. Also, if a fry cook job will put you in a better situation than you are now (and it looks like it will), then get one. Neither you or anyone else is "too good" for that kind of job. It's honest work, and it pays the bills. Do what you have to do to support your family, including swallowing your pride.

  5. How about the essentials? by ejaw5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about providing healthcare and retirement, seeing these two have been disappearing for quite some time now.

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  6. That's nothing... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll change the place with free snacks to the place with good psychological cimate and interesting projects in a blink of an eye.

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  7. Redundancies in the article summary by nytes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Free beer... They offer free breakfast, lunch AND dinner... and snacks.

    Once you say "free beer", saying "breakfast", "lunch", etc. are redundant.

    "Beer" pretty well covers everything.

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  8. Perks? Not on your life! by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work for an EXTREMELY large company. For the last four years, our perks have been cut and cut and cut again. Our salary increases have been typically half of cost of living in the years we actually get them. Annual bonuses are gone for good. Training has been cut back to less than acceptable.

    Hearing that some companies are starting to give perks again means that the cycle is turning back. I will be so glad to see employers like mine losing all of their best employees next year, because they'll be playing catch-up -- and it will be 'too little, too late' for most of us.

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  9. mmm... by mikeeeeeee · · Score: 5, Funny

    free beer all day, personal hammock, and massages every hour....cant beat bein' a kobe cow....

    1. Re:mmm... by Poseidon88 · · Score: 5, Funny
      free beer all day, personal hammock, and massages every hour....cant beat bein' a kobe cow....

      Sure, but the retirement plan sucks.

  10. But SW Engineering jobs dropped 15% last quarter! by Cryofan · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics in its July 30 report:
    "There was no recession in the second quarter of this year, but BLS data show 131,000 fewer American computer software engineers employed in the second quarter than in the first quarter of 2004--a decline of 15% in three months."

    So, I seriously doubt that we are going to get anything at all like the late 90s going on for technical workers.

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  11. How about this by KillaForTheScrilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess a good perk would be for the company to buy my plane ticket to India when they outsource my job there.

    Language classes would be good too.

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  12. Re:Employement? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also, note that with our current immigration rate- we need 300,000 jobs EVERY MONTH just for population expansion. 32,000 jobs is NOTHING.

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  13. Re:The only perks I get... by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's how they do it where my wife works. Medical and Dental and the usual stock purchase and 401k programs are non-optional for everyone, but the rest is a-la-carte. She gets so many "points" to spend: Membership at a fitness center is x points, free legal services is y points, etc.

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  14. Self Employeed by rf0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being self employeed I give my self my own perks. So for the long hours, sleepless night I get a meal out at the local pub on a Friday. God I'm a cheapskate

    Rus

  15. Re:I know many hate to admit it... by Gannoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Today I went to my current employer and told them my situation--- they are going to counter offer.

    Random slashdot guy,

    Do NOT, repeat NOT take that counter-offer. It is the end of your career there, because they know you've been interviewing and are on your way out. The reasons you were leaving in the first place hasn't changed. Now, you'll be at the same place, but they'll be making sure they can get rid of you in 6 months.

    I'm not saying that you're going to be fired in a few months automatically, but you'll be miserable.

  16. Apples and oranges... by cuberat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You mention the job thing and then proceed to rant about the stock market. There's no particular correlation between the two - in fact, I could argue (but won't) that having fewer employees is a way to maximize profit and drive the company stock price up!

    Not to mention that, while the number of new jobs created was pretty small, at least it was positive. Or that unemployment fell from 5.6% to 5.5. That's pretty low to be called 'bad.'

    I just finished off 8 months of unemployment by landing a new gig at a much better salary than my old job, and in the past month have received an increasing number of calls from recruiters. I'm not saying we've warped back to 1998 (oh, the glory), but it is getting better.

    The sky is not, in fact, falling.

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    I'll tell you what the 'effect' is! It's pissing me off!

  17. Re:I know many hate to admit it... by deanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod parent response up on this.

    NEVER EVER take a counter-offer. More money isn't going to change why you were looking in the first place.

    A couple of things the parent post didn't mention:

    If they have layoffs, your name will be on the top of the list.

    Salaries are generally in one pool of money. If you get a raise now, you'll either NOT get one next time raises go around. It's also probable that the people you work will think they won't get as big of a raise because of YOU if the raise they get doesn't meet expectations.

    Plus, if you really want to work for that other company, turning them down how will make it much much harder to go back there to ask for a job. Oh, you can do it, but they'll likely say "oh, that's the guy who was just looking to make more money at the place he was at... don't bother".

    There are MANY more reasons never to take a counter-offer. Do yourself (and your career) a favor, and don't take it.

    Good luck