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freitasm writes "Geekzone is reporting on the AOL Optimized PC, a 2GHz Intel Celeron PC with 256MB RAM and 50GB ATA-100 HDD. It'll cost US$299.99 from Office Depot stores, with a commitment of 12-month AOL subscription. More information on AOL Optimized website." There's also a Reuters story.

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  1. basic... very basic. by ack154 · · Score: 5, Informative
    $299.99 + (12 months * $23.90/month) = $299.99 + $286.80 = enough to buy a decent PC without having to go with a full year of AOL (it also == $586.79 for those of you adding at home).

    Though I suppose it is actually on target, if someone only has $300 and can afford the $24/month payment, it might be a simple way to get a PC a little "cheaper" up front. Just too bad it has to be AOL.

    Full list of features:
    # Processor: Intel Celeron Processor 2 GHz
    # Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (pre-installed)
    # Memory: 256MB RAM
    # Hard Drive: 40GB, ATA 100, 5400 rpm
    # Optical Drive: 52x CD-ROM
    # Network: 10/100MB Ethernet
    # Modem: 56K v.92
    # Ports: Four USB 2.0 Ports (two front, two back)
    # Monitor: 17" CRT monitor (minimum 15.7" viewable)
    # Printer: Lexmark Color Inkjet Printer
    # Peripherals: Standard Multimedia Keyboard, Two-button Wheel Mouse, Speakers
    # Additional Pre-Installed Software: AOL Office suite of spreadsheet, word processing and presentation software; AOL 9.0 Optimized Internet service, the latest version of the AOL and AOL Latino services
    1. Re:basic... very basic. by Duncan3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Millions of people need SOME kind of dialup anyway.

      Now they can get what looks to me like a very good "mom and dad" PC for $300 WITH A MONITOR. No harm in that.

      Granted, other ISP's are cheaper.

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      - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
    2. Re:basic... very basic. by danamania · · Score: 5, Funny

      # Keyboard: with LOL, OMG, >_< and WTF keys

      Most important feature, that.

    3. Re:basic... very basic. by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not just getting a PC, you're getting a PC and a 12-month dial-up service. If you're going to evaluate the real value of this deal then price up a similar spec PC and include a 12-month subscription to a ISP on par with AOL in terms of service, etc.

      Also, remember that this is the sort of deal that's put together specifically to attract novice PC users. People who've never owned a PC before can buy a machine and not have to worry about where to get an internet connection, etc: it's an all-under-one-roof solution that's perfect for people who know what they want to do (surf the internet, send email, type the odd letter) but have no idea about what to buy when they flick through a magazine or go to a superstore.

      In those terms, I don't see what there is to complain about.

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      "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
    4. Re:basic... very basic. by bonkedproducer · · Score: 4, Informative

      My mother uses JOI internet for a whopping $6.95 a month and consistantly gets better connection speed, never a busy signal, better e-mail, and faster support and service than she ever got when she was an AOLer, so what is the point here?

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      Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society - M. Twain
  2. $299.99! by T-Keith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why don't they send them in the mail for free like the CDs. Seems like a marketing strategy change to me.

  3. welcome to commoditisation by Ubergrendle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    $299 for a PC, heavily subsidised by an AOL subscription.

    This is like a cellphone plan being applied to home PCs.

    I wonder how much of that $299 is for the Windows license? This is linux's opportunity in my mind...if PCs become throw-away items (e.g. equal to or less value than a console system) at what point do the corporate masters figure 30-40% of your capital costs going to Microsoft doesn't make much sense?

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    John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
  4. Entry level and AOL Office == Open Office? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $299 gives you an entry level PC. Looks like its enough to surf the web with and do most day to day stuff. Surprised by the lack of DVD drive, but maybe they figure that most people are interested in download and burn? Certainly not something for Doom 3, but then again I'm not surprised. You also need to be subscribed to AOL for one year. This really sounds like a similar approach as that used for mobile phones.

    Reading the FAQ, I see mention of 'AOL Office Writer', 'AOL Office Calc' and 'AOL Office Impres'. Searching the net reveals nothing on the programs, though the closest I could find were matching names in the Open Office suite. Other than the names I wonder if they are one and the same?

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  5. Looks Like Open Office Is The Default Office Suite by cbowland · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article: "The AOL Optimized PC also comes bundled with the AOL Office suite, a version supplied by Sun. This suite of productivity applications consists of: AOL Office Writer, AOL Office Calc and AOL Office Impress." This is a nice step for Open Office in terms of exposure to Windows users.

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    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
    Teach him to eat and he will fish forever.

  6. DO NOT PAY FOR INTERNET SERVICE! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Funny

    As Confucious Say:

    If you pay for month of AOL, you give yourself net access for month.

    If you buy neighbor cheap wireless linksys router and offer free setup, putting your MAC on it and retaining usr/pwd, you give yourself net access for life.

  7. Services cost more than hardware by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So. We've reached the point where the software is increasingly becoming free (beer and freedom), and now the hardware is increasingly becoming so cheap that it becomes the after thought in a transaction. The services part of this deal (12 months of AOL) is "worth" just about as much as the cost of that PC.

    Free software. Almost "free" hardware (throw-ins to a deal). Free wireless access. How long before we see ubiqituous computing? I guess the bigger question is how long before we see a PC included in a cereal box instead of those DVDs I've seen advertised on the boxes of Fruit Loops (or whatever it was)? "Hey! Check it out! This box contains a coupon for a free PC! (just send in 20 box tops, plus $39.95 shipping and handling)"

  8. Re:coincidence? by Mateito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buy now, pay later.

    If its not coming out of your pocket today, its cheaper.

    People don't think long-term when making purchases. That's why banks can sell consumer credit at high interest rates with low repayments over rediculously long times.

    People joke about "Wogs and Cash", but the concept of never going into debt for a non-incoming generating purchase has a lot going for it.

  9. Re:The Racial Target by Rie+Beam · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The computers will come configured with a simple desktop with large icons that send users to specific areas of the AOL service or applications loaded on the computer. They can also be preconfigured for Spanish language speakers."

    Say it. You know you want to. You know it's coming. The best case mods. Ever.

  10. Aren't those terms mutually exclusive? by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Funny

    AOL Optimized? Oh shit - the peg just broke off on my cognitive dissonance meter.

  11. Fallout by Nuttles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fallout from this offer may very well be the annoyance of techies everywhere. If the target audience are the people who have yet to buy a home computer then a lot of those people will be pretty much clueless with it. So it will follow in a lot of cases, these people will download or otherwise get viruses galore and/or adware. Since these new people only spent what was it 299 on a new computer, they aren't going to want to pay some tech 60 bucks an hour to fix their computer. Their tech friends will be used and abused. We will be called in to fix their problems. If the problem is software and we fix it for free than all is right with the world. The fallback on fixing a computer once is that forever more that person can say that, I think what you did 6 years ago is screwing up my computer now. Also, there is a hardware issue. These computers have the cheapest possible hardware, parts are going to die in them a lot. Well, back to the poor techie that got stuck fixing there computer. If you find out that lets say their harddrive is pooched, then they will ask how much it will cost. You will tell them and they will give you the look, like I told them that they have to hand over a years salary to fix it, then they will say well, could it be this or is there a way I can get by not using this right now...I can go on

    So my assertion is cheap PCs are only a headache for techies. Any techie who finds out that someone has one of these type of computers, run run away, very fast even

    Nuttles
    Christian and proud of it

  12. Dear God, Why? by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is it just me or does this seem equivalent to signing away your soul to Satan?

    I do tech support for HP. AOL uses their own drivers to connect to their network, and also block off the Properties page of their connection. Thus, we cannot enable the Windows XP firewall, so God help someone who hasn't patched their machine (luckily I can get around this by installing Norton Personal Firewall, which is usually included with our machines). I've also heard that if you want, AOL will sell you a firewall for $3 extra a month or something. So to sum up: Block free included product, sell own (probably inferior) product.

    Not to mention that AFAIK their entire technical support division is stationed in India, and I think they have a 3 minute call length limit or something. Whenever people call me and say they were referred to us by AOL, I roll my eyes and ask what AOL actually did before referring them to us. 90% of the time, they did NOTHING. They didn't have them click on anything, they didn't check any settings, and they most certainly did not reinstall their own software. "It's a problem with the modem." "It's a problem with the computer." I've actually heard from customers where they had to hand up on the AOL tech because they didn't take the referral to us and he actually started yelling at the customer! And this service is worth $20+ a month?! God help the person who buys this PC and is RELEGATED to these people...

    Please, if you use AOL, consider switching to another provider. You're worth more than what they give you.

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    It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
    - E. Debs
    1. Re:Dear God, Why? by g00z · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here is an interesting account of why AOL uses such truely BIZARE drivers to connect to the network (among other weird AOL things) that I found on usenet a while back while doing research into only playnet software:

      Brian Heyboer writes:

      >I can't tell you for sure, but I suspect they are afraid it will give
      >away some of their security systems that are also used in the AOL
      >software. Remember, there was a lot more on the Q-Link end than just
      >the interface for the users. There was also their entire billing and
      >password security system. There was also a "back door" of sorts where
      >Q-Link menus and what-not could be updated via AOL.

      AOL is in fact largely based on rewritten QLink (nee PlayNet)
      code. Many of the algorithms are unchanged.

      >Another possibility is that they cannot rather than will not. Q-Link
      >licensed the software from Playnet and acquired the rights to it only
      >after winning a lawsuit against the receiver of the bankrupt Playnet.
      >They never did get all the source code and documentation the lawsuit
      >gave them the rights to. So, they may not be able to either because the
      >terms of the judgement don't allow it or they simply don't have it all.

      In fact, they may not have the right to resell the technology;
      it depends on what rights they got. (I suspect they eventually got all the
      rights, though.)

      They did, however, have all the source code and documentation
      for the PlayNet system, at least as it was when they licensed it (we made
      a number of mods later to PlayNet, some of which were activated and some
      never were). I spent a number of days down there training various
      programmers there on the design. One thing added after QLink (now AOL)
      licensed PlayNet was a quite complete auditorium/panel/etc setup with
      queuing, moderators, etc, run entirely via online messages (no client
      software change required). This was complete and tested and finished
      the week before PlayNet declared bankruptcy, so no one ever actually used
      it. There were other things too, but I remember that because I was working
      on it as PlayNet went under. Of course, they made their own mods
      (initially mostly cosmetic, but they added lots of stuff later).

      As must be obvious, I was one of the main (and last) programmers at
      PlayNet. It's _really_ amusing to look at AOL today and say "I know why
      users are limited to 10-character names.", and see many other elements of
      the original PlayNet design unchanged (even though the reason for them is
      LONG gone). For example, the 10-character name limit was largely based on
      how many screen names we could display in the room header in chat within
      4(?) 40-character lines on a C64 screen. Ditto the screen-name defaults (I
      remember us sitting around BS'ing about how we'd handle that, and conflicts
      - so now you have JoeS12345.) Online messages and how they popped up were
      another Playnet idea (remember, the next-most-sophisticated system at the
      time was Compuserve's ASCII "CB". Much has changed in AOL, of course, but
      it's kind-of heartening to see just how well a design from 1984-85 for 64K
      6502-based machines has held up over the years, at least in the broad
      strokes.

      The system (PlayNet and QLink) was actually quite sophisticated.
      It was run by programs written in a multi-tasking state-machine language.
      (Yes, your C64 was multi-tasking when doing this - N state-machine tasks
      plus the "main" (basic/etc) task, which ran the game or whatever if needed.
      Things like Online messages caused a new task to be started.) The
      communications protocol was designed (by me) to error-correct the X.25
      padmodem link, obey a limit on packet size (128?), and minimize the
      number of packets (since we were charged both by the hour and the packet
      back then). It used CRC error-checking (yes, in a C64), asymmetric
      sliding-windows, piggybacked-acks, selective retransmit

      --
      "The Wright brothers were the first to fly with a heavier-than-air machine, but boy did they have a lousy plane"
  13. AOL Optimized PC? by gotem · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if the keyboard will default to Caps Lock turned on

  14. Theres no any any key! by essreenim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, on the bottom left the 'ANY KEY' key,
    and 'EJECT CUP HOLDER' key.

  15. This is not a crappy computer by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Half the posts are saying "Who cares? It's an entry-level $299 computer." Someone please tell me why a normal computer user (the type who uses AOL) needs anything faster than a 2GHz Celeron with 256MB of RAM?

    Word Processing? check.
    Web surfing? check.
    Email? check.
    Office applications? check.
    Solitaire? check.
    All of the above simultaneously? check.
    Doom 3? Oops!

    Other than video games, a typical "entry-level" PC like this does fine. This is the same thing as Microsoft having trouble getting people off of Windows '9x.

    The Mah & Pah with a 500Mhz PII doesn't need anything faster. Their broadband is still slower than the speed that their PC can render a web page. It still plays chess better than they do. And they don't notice the few seconds of paging when the switch apps.