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Open Source in California Government

catfoo writes "California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has recently posted the California Performance Review Report, a 2,500 page plan to overhaul state government and save $32 billion over the next five years. Part of the proposal: Open Source alternatives. Imagine that..."

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  1. The Governator! by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Governator should be applauded for his adoption of Open Source in the government. My only question is whether the Open Source solutions will have to be made in California, because it is my understanding that The Governator is against Hollywood productions saving money by filming up north in Canada. I think this is a *great* move to use Open Source in the government because it will help keep everything much more secure and stable than going with expensive closed source anti-solutions. I only wonder if this will mean that Allnold will be moderating his anti-Canadian rhetoric any time soon? A great deal of Open Source comes from Canada.

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  2. They could start with the web server... by vondo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Currently running IIS and an average uptime of about three days. See here.

  3. Use what California created... by bsd_usr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    BSD. Yes, California should finally use BSD more than just a research project. Finally put their spent tax money to work for them. That's my opinion.

  4. I Wouldn't Have Thought ... by saudadelinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...a serious Republican like Arnold would let something like this out. I figured he and his people would've thought Open Source software was too fast-and-loose appearing, too ideologically different to use.

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    1. Re:I Wouldn't Have Thought ... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think this is more the austrian mentality Schwarzenegger has been grown up with before he went to California. Have in mind overe here in Austria, after the second world war we had a political climate of talking with each other no matter which party and to try to find solutions out of a problem no matter what lobbyists are behind. That climate has changed the last ten years, but that exactly was the climate you can see with Schwarzenegger, once in the office he started to talk with both parties. I would not say he is a conservative, he is more a free thinker who is on the conservative side.

    2. Re:I Wouldn't Have Thought ... by foidulus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a democrat, I feel dirty for defending a republican, but..
      Republican != neocon. Traditional republicans are ones who try to eliminate as much waste/pork as possible(McCain is a good example of this type). From what I have seen, Arnold is as well.
      The government of California simply wants the best tools to do it's job at the lowest cost. Open source works for that some of the time, others maybe a proprietary solution is the best bet. It all depends on the circumstances, there are very few "silver bullets" in life. It seems that the study indicates that open source alternitaves may be able to deliver the best functionality/cost(it's certainly not free when you consider all the transition costs etc, but long term they believe it will pay off). The government should be looking at what is in the best interest to the taxpayer.
      The neo-cons are another story however. They are into cutting taxes for people who are a whole lot richer than you and I, and then using your taxes to reward their buddies while you and I, and the americans to follow us will foot the bill. (*cough* Accenture *cough*)
      I am hoping for a rift in the Republican party, and who knows, maybe another W. victory might finally cause that rift, but I don't think it's worth the chance.

    3. Re:I Wouldn't Have Thought ... by finkployd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right, but it is interesting that you have to rely on a cartoon to demonstrate "real communism" Has there ever been a instance of real communism in the world?

      Finkployd

  5. Re:Things you have to believe to be a republican by musawilliams · · Score: 2, Interesting

    His political representation has nothing to do with this move. He has gone against the norm and has proposed the use of Open Source on a large scale. I'm not too sure if this is a first, but it is still revolutionary. If this goes into affect, this may mark the beginning of the true war between Micro$oft and Linux

  6. Nice write-up by meganthom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had no idea a government-produced document could be so clear, concise, and easy to follow. If OSS really takes off in California, maybe other states will turn to this justification. I honestly believe that if more lay-people read similar descriptions of open source software, the doors would be opened to Linux users everywhere.

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  7. Nothing new.. by manavendra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..most governments over the world have realized the benefits of OSS.

    To have a glimpse of OSS and governments all over the world, just use good ol' google

    Interesting to read is CNET on Governments push open-source software

    There's even a Getting Open Source Logic INto Governments (GOSLING) Community

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  8. An interesting opportunity for OSS Advocacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Today, when state agencies purchase software solutions they are required to look at best value, and often go through a formal procurement process wherein vendors submit proposals. Since open source code solutions do not fit the traditional procurement model in that there is not usually a vendor promoting and proposing the product, it is recommended that state departments actively research and evaluate open source code alternatives prior to considering use of the traditional procurement model for software."
    The above quote makes an interesting point, and makes me wonder how significant the effect is. Perhaps one of the OSS Advocacy organizations could create a organizational arm specifically directed to act in lieu of a traditional software vendor and "promote and propose" OSS products to meet governmental and corporate RFPs & Bid Requests. Having a formal bid to present might help to educate the PHBs & Bean Counters?
  9. skynet by QEDog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So SkyNet runs on BSD?

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  10. On th other hand, there's SC06 by dcuny · · Score: 5, Interesting
    SC06 suggests:
    • The Governor should direct the state Chief Information Officer to obtain copyright and patent protection on the code owned by the state to protect this valuable resource as an intellectual property.
    While it might look like a plan to simply create a code library, the real goal is, of course, to license this valuable intellectual property:
    • Additional income may be generated in later years through copyright and patent license agreements and sales. That revenue cannot be estimated until all state-owned code is identified.

    The whole suggestion is mangling of ideas, where the author treats "copyright" and "patents" as if they were the same thing. Here's my favorite paragraph:

    • Computer application programs over the last few years have evolved into programming languages that are designed to be easily modified to work in various environments. For example, HTML, XML, Java, LINUX and others are written in modular formats that can be connected in different pieces of code to accomplish a variety of functions.In computer terminology, each computer operating system is called a platform and language code that can be used on more than one platform is called "cross platform code."
    Where to begin with that? I hadn't realized that applications had "evolved into programming languages". What "cross platform" code has to do with anything is beyond me.

    They go on to claim that by using a code library - which will only need four librarians to handle all the code in the State:

    • The State Chief Information Officer should issue a directive requiring all departments to follow the standards and submit all code developed to the library
    we'll be able to code faster, cheaper, and stop using contractors:
    • The savings will be generated by eliminating the need for the approximately 120 consultants involved in application development throughout the various state departments.

    Fortunately, we've got a 30 day period for public comment, so folk from California might want to chime in here!

  11. Re:Somebody has to say it: by FauxPasIII · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > one can say a lot about Arnold being a Republican and all

    I'd actually say Arnold is a fairly traditional republican. The problem is that the republican party is
    currently represented by people like Bush and Ashcroft, who are, depending on your word choice, fascist,
    neo-fascist, corporatist, or somewhat more politely, neo-conservative. And before you rush to flame
    or moderate over the mention of fascism, look up how mussolini defined the
    ideology.

    People who believe in true, traditional republican values don't have a party right now. Kerry is MUCH closer to
    traditional Republicans than Bush is.

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  12. Concise, yet to the point by dacarr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is probably the best write up on anything that the state has put out. A child of five could understand this.

    But, I don't suspect that this is something to get people like Microsoft to come down. Face it, in order to under bid open source, they'd have to give it out for free. You don't need a MS employee to come and install it, you just need a technician who knows what he's doing; likewise, some random from Red Hat doesn't have to come out and install Linux for you, some guy from MySQL AB doesn't have to come out and install MySQL, etc. You just need a random who knows what he's doing. Or in California's case, a whole lot of said randoms.

    Now, that's not to say they'll work for free; they will naturally want to be put on the state payroll. Either way, you HAVE to pay somebody, and I suspect it probably won't be nearly as much as Microsoft would suggest with their "lower TCO" argument that they like to use with their examples of 7-11.

    So, we'll wait and see.

    And before people spec that CA will reneg on the deal, remember that Munich re-renegged.

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  13. Re:a 2,500 page plan to overhaul state government by Bull999999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is the reason why you shouldn't learn about politics from the movies or TV. While I like Moore's movies because I find them to be thought provoking, the problem is that his facts are extremly one-sided.

    Unless a bill is higly controversial, it's pretty much guaranteed to pass once it makes it past appropriate committees, because even though they hate to admit it, the both parties negotiate those things behind the scenes (e.i. I'll pass your bill if you pass mine). In that case, reading of the bill on the floor is merely for following the formal procedure as the vote's already been decided.

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  14. Things you have to believe to be a democrat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nice way to copy a website. In rebuttal:

    # People who use drugs deserve compassion and understanding -- unless their drug of choice is tobacco.

    # Children can be exposed to years of violent and sexually-explicit imagery in popular culture with no ill effects, but an adult who is exposed to a racially insensitive remark is emotionally scarred for life.

    # Banning abortions will only drive them underground, but banning guns will make them disappear.

    # Teaching children about safe sex in school will make them sexually responsible, but teaching children about safe gun handling in school would make them violent killers.

    # The Enron accounting scandal is an indictment of free markets as such, but UNSCAM is no big deal.

    # An unemployment rate of 5.6% during the Clinton administration was unusually low, but an unemployment rate of 5.6% during the Bush administration is unusually high.

    # Successful government programs should be praised and publicized -- unless the program is welfare reform.

    # A work of art portraying Jesus submersed in urine is daring and avant garde, but a work of art portraying Mohammad submersed in urine would be bigoted and hateful.

    # George Bush invaded Iraq for the oil, but the many profiteers from the oil-for-food program opposed the war out of principle.

    # Janet Jackson's breast is protected by the First Amendment, but political advocacy ads are not.

    # Scientists and engineers can't build a safe nuclear reactor, but global warming activists can accurately predict the weather.

    # Education should be value-neutral, except for values like multiculturalism and environmentalism.

    # We need to move beyond 9/11, so we can get back to obsessing over Vietnam.

    # The Second Amendment does not protect the right to keep and bear arms, but the Fourteenth Amendment mandates race preferences.

    # Fetuses do not have rights, but animals do.

    # Parents should have a choice over whether their children are born, but not what school they attend.

    # American corporations outsourcing jobs to poor foreign workers is bad; taxing American corporations and sending money to foreign dictators who promise to give it to poor foreigners, but actually squirrel it away in Swiss bank accounts, is good.

  15. It's not the tool... by mratitude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... it's the bureaucratic minded people involved.

    I was involved in a major California project in the early 90's where my company was a sub to Lockheed. Some of you may have heard of it as "Dead Beat Dad" tracking.

    The goal was to automate and establish information sharing between cities and counties in California with the additional tie-in of Federal data sharing.

    The result hit the news well after I left the company; I was offered to take over the Project Management duties and I flatly refused. I worked long enough on the project in a support role to see the underlying flaws and why the project would never deliver to goal.

    In order to meet the overall goal, it would require some 50+ county and several hundred city governments to literally cooperate on various details. Of course, the Los Angeles Metro area insisted on being treated like its own little kingdom.

    You'll never get that many bureaucrats and policy wonks to ever cooperate toward a common goal.

    Open Source won't do anything useful toward cost cutting since the technology isn't the cost load factor toward final cost.

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  16. my favorite part by suezz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "# For potential immediate savings, departments should take an inventory of software purchases and software renewals in the Fiscal Year 2004-2005 and implement open source alternatives where feasible." yes - immediate savings and finaly my tax dolloars being spent wisely. thank you Arnold

  17. And a built in programming staff to boot . . . by doneWithMyTattoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Imagine all the programming power available through senior projects and grad thesis of the University of California and the California State systems. The state of California has an awesome potential to direct that government specific open source software be created or tailored or reviewed to fit their specific needs.

  18. Re:I think open formats are even more important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Word is an example, here is another.
    In Geographical Information Systems(GIS) software, one awesome resource is a set of high resolution 3D maps that cover most of the United States. This data was collected with taxpayer money and it is freely available to the public. The catch? The catch is that in order to view it, or even to convert it to a relatively open 3D mesh format like DXF, you need to own a set of products made by a closed source company called ArcView who intentionally designs their products to only work on WinNT/XP. That is fucking bullshit.
    I'm supposed to be pissed about some single mom suporting two kids in a slum getting a welfare check while my government is handing over my tax dollars to publicly traded software conglomorates as an entitlement? Who made that fucked up decision? If this guy was really going to live up to his name as the Governator he should be insisting on Open Source and cutting budgets of non-compliant branches of government. If they can't comply, fuck 'em. They've lost their funding.
    Screw corporate welfare.

  19. Sorry by beakburke · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My other response stared to explain the folly of the term "moderate", but I was immediately side tracked by another point. What I was trying to say is that a "moderate" is not a positive definition of what a person IS, it's a reactionary definition of what someone ISN'T. Put another way, moderate relative to what? That's why I say that EVERY elected politician is essentially a moderate, otherwise then couldn't stay in power.

    The problem isn't that there aren't enough moderates, the problem for you is that you don't see any candidates who agree with you on (almost) every issue. But that's not a reasonable expectation, unless YOU run for office.

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