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Television On Your Cell Phone

XopherMV writes "MobiTV is billed as the first streaming service to broadcast real-time video to cell phones. Offered by Sprint, it costs an additional $9.99 monthly, is adding new channels, and supports various handsets. My phone features 21 channels, some of them typical broadcast channels like Fox Sports and MSNBC, while others are designed for the mobile environment, such as NBC Mobile. What's it like to watch TV on a cell phone? The TV junkie in me says it's great. I really like the idea that I can pull my cell phone out of my pocket and catch up with the latest news and sports scores in an instant. Read on at MSN."

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  1. Boston suffers season long recession by fishdan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Good Lord. If they can get the Red Sox broadcasts fromNESN on this, I predict a HUGE work impact. I know other cities love their sports, but the Red Sox are bigger than Jesus in Boston. If people could watch games on their cellphone, there would be no work done during day games.

    I do wonder what the impact on people's driving will be.

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  2. I just don't see it by Nos. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure this is going to be aimed more at people wanting to catch up on the latest news and sports, but personally, this is not a service I would pay for. If I'm looking for up to date news/sports/stocks etc. I'd be more likely to want a phone with wireless Internet. I would want the information now, and want to be able to drill down to my own intrests as opposed to waiting until the TV finally gets to the little bit of information I actually want to hear. Lets face it, you're not going to "see" very detailed pictures on your cell phone.

  3. good idea? by dncsky1530 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its great that companies are able to offer TV on cell phones, but it is really necessary? I for one have a camera phone with wireless internet and most of the features on that phone go unused. Internet enabled cell phones are usefull for stock quotes and news, and mabey checking mail. Having TV on the phone would not only drain the battery but people would have to watch the news for 10 minutes to get to a story that affects them instead of having it on demand like the internet. Thanks, but no thanks, i'll save my battery life for making calls.

    1. Re:good idea? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is necessary for the cellphone company. They have a need to separate you from some more of your money.

    2. Re:good idea? by XO · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I just loaded this up on a Samsung A680 Sprint PCS, and compared the MSNBC to real MSNBC on Satellite.. the video coming into the Samsung phone was about 30 seconds AHEAD of the video coming into the Satellite TV.

      And the A680 is capable of pulling off 15fps when the datastream is fast enough

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  4. Cue the phone Ludittes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I give it 10 minutes before the first phone Luditte who comes complaining that nobody makes good plain phones anymore gets modded up.

    1. Re:Cue the phone Ludittes by Hockney+Twang · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was just about to do exactly what you describe, then your post stopped me. Thank you.

  5. Uh oh.... by DatAsian · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm running low on power... lemme get back with you when I find a charger :)

  6. I'd rather have annotated radio by davidwr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The screens are too small for good TV watching.

    TV programs that take this into account would work, but even so, I think radio is a Bigger Win.

    You can augment radio with things like instant polling, charts, hyperlinks, and other goodies.

    Here's an idea:
    24 hour traffic and weather reports tailored to the cell towers you are closest to.

    Gee, I hope nobody tries to patent "sending video signals over a wireless device." There's a wee bit of prior art on that, and I'm afraid our poor beleagured patent office might miss it.

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    1. Re:I'd rather have annotated radio by j3110 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> The screens are too small for good TV watching.

      I know exactly what you mean... When are cell phone makers going to get it. All I want is a 52" Plasma Screen HDTV Dolby 6.1 system built into my phone, and why does no one make a 6MP camera phone with live video conferencing? Why can't I play the latest games on my phone... I'm tired of connect 4, I want to play something with great graphics like Doom 3. I hate getting disturbed while I'm taking pictures, watching tv, playing games, and browsing the internet, so why don't these companies give me the option to turn off incoming calls?

      Ok... I think I'm done ranting sarcasticly now.

      Isn't there more important things for these phone makers to be worrying about... you know... like security? With all those recent articles about how bluetooth phones just surrender to anyone clever enough to know what bluetooth is, one would think that would be a priority. Maybe they could put their R&D team to work on finding a way to not rape their customers.

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  7. Sports scores? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    really like the idea that I can pull my cell phone out of my pocket and catch up with the latest news and sports scores in an instant.

    I've been doing that for decades. l use a radio. It's free.

    1. Re:Sports scores? by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 2

      Yes, but now techheads everywhere will be able to do this in a totally new and spectacular way (video) and with a huge screen, to boot. Then there's the bragging rights, too. Especially when I pick up all the hot chicks with my awesome new techology.

      Plus, we can be happy to pay for broadcast we could otherwise have for free on a portable TV set anyway, and I for one, will be tickled pink when I get roaming charges as I watch Jerry Springer on the John.

      Although I suppose if I could watch HBO on my cell that would be kind of interesting, though that, too, would probably cost even more than a typical pay-chnannel cable subscription.

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  8. Not Again by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    My kingdom for a cellphone that concentrates on 1 thing PHONE CALLS...Oh yea and this includes coverage quality and battery life.

    I may be a technogeek -- but I discovered that my last 2 cellphones sure have had lots a little gadgets and cost oodles of money, but were sorely lacking in the old business of using as a phone.

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  9. Driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, something else I can do with my cellphone to distract me from that boring morning commute! Other drivers, beware!

  10. when you thought TV couldnt get worse by to+be+a+troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we can only imagine how crappy TV can become... with the current incoherent and pathetic state television programming is in, combined with the highly developed yet second rate connection a cell phone provides, i am sure this will be beyond irritating...
    technology yet again takes bold a step forward...
    and the show must go on!!

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  11. Not first and apparently lousy quality... by Cpt_Corelli · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well, I hardly believe they are the first company to offer streaming video to cell phones. Europe is already switching to the third generation of mobile communications (3G) and most networks offer streaming video at a much higher quality than what is displayed in their demo.

    3G networks have a much higher bandwidth (384 kbps) compared to previous technology such as GSM.

    Most of the 3G phones have two-way simultaneous video chat as well.

    1. Re:Not first and apparently lousy quality... by wfberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Europe is already switching to the third generation of mobile communications (3G)

      "is switching" is a good way of saying it. In reality, 3G is not going anywhere soon. While there are some networks being rolled out (3 in the UK was the first), most have pretty crappy coverage for the moment. Now, they're mostly operated by pre-existing GSM operators, so your phone will just handover to GSM for phone coverage, but there goes your "fast" data connection.

      In the Netherlands only 2 of 5 of the networks that received a license have actually built a "network" (spotty coverage of the largest cities); at least one operator is on record as saying they won't even bother building it and are writing the license off as a loss, unless they can sell it.

      The bandwidth is of course a joke. We were promised 2Mbps (at a time when that was a top of the range DSL connection), not 384, and in practice it turns out to be more like 144kbps. Not too mention if it were to get crowded. I say integrate 802.11g in handsets already. Or better yet, leave networking to your pda/laptop and let your handset go on the internet via bluetooth (or let your laptop connect via your handset, depending on conditions).

      And why you'd want to receive *broadcast* signals over a unicast channel beats me. It just sucks up bandwidth for each user.

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  12. Instant Updates? by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I can pull my cell phone out of my pocket and catch up with the latest news and sports scores in an instant.

    I'm sick and tired of the instant-info-internet too. I'm moving back to TV where I have to watch for 20 minutes to see the sports scores or news that I want.

  13. More is better, but... by NEOGEOman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Japanese phones have had the ability to receive broadcast TV (via the internal antenna, not a re-packaged pay-to-view version) in several phones for a while now. Have a look at this Vodafone NEC unit.

    It's not about the extra abilities in my phone, it's the disabilities that are newsworthy. The TV phone linked above has ridiculous DRM - you can save video clips and screenshots, but not transfer them. The powers that be fear losing what control they've got that you can't transfer the images or video clips you make with your phone, not to your computer. They're locked on the phone. Java apps are locked to the phone, if you have to replace the phone you're f**ked, unless you can transfer them to the SD card - if the phone has a slot - and even then only if your new phone is the same manufacturer and the same phone number. The phones are locked to the carrier, there's absolutely no way no how to use a Vodafone on DoCoMo's network, end of story. You can play music files, but only ones encoded by the locked-down software app, so they're useless to any other music device.

    On the bright side, mine has a 2megapixel camera that does pretty nice work, so it's mad handy when I don't want to lug around the real camera and see something neat.

    Where was I... Oh yeah: More features are good, but please - make these features useful and not more restrictive than the alternatives, ok? Anyone listening?

    nope...

  14. Been there, Done that, NTT DoCoMo FOMA by kryonD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just curious, but did Sprint have the integrity to put a star next to the word 'first', and then have the words 'in America' printed in text so small most folks couldn't read it, or did they just flat out lie again?

    TV and movies have been available in Japan on cell phones for nearly two years. When I left in February, no one really cared all that much unless something important was going on. I would bet that tons of commuters are watching the olympics while riding the JR to work and back. The picture quality is actually pretty darned good. I personally never bought a FOMA phone because the 3G coverage in my area was still in the works. And the way they switched email from being directly on the phone to being through a web portal was kind of annoying when you were already used to just pressing a button and being inside of your INBOX on their 50x series of phones.

    With all the political BS going on in the media, I swear I'd donate money to the first 527 group who titled themselves "Disillusioned Cell Phone Users for a President Who Will Make The Cellular Companies Leave The Dark Ages and Stop F&^%ing Over The Public With Overpriced Used Technology".

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    1. Re:Been there, Done that, NTT DoCoMo FOMA by vena · · Score: 2, Informative

      you could have looked at the links. MobiTV bills itself as the first *global* cellphone based television network.

  15. is it better by elinenbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    than Ad in your Slashdot? I sure hope so, because these ads disguised as "stories" are getting a bit old.

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  16. The real question is this by Slinky+Saves+the+Wor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Are you willing to PAY some amount of money, to see the sports score or whatever, in your cellphone NOW, OR will you wait until you're at home/work where you can see the same score from the Internet for NO COST?

    I usually go for no cost, i.e. home or work or friend's place, although I could check using the cellphone... but it's just too cumbersome and slow. In short, inconvenient. And this even though I don't pay for my phone bills!

    The "services" and whatever, those are just too difficult and cumbersome to use or start using.

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  17. just another step by bwy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This just seems to never end. I have no argument with technology of any kind- I think it is great. But the way people use the technology gets on my nerves.

    This is just another tool for people to act like asses- now watching TV on their phone while you're eating dinner with them or catching sports scores while in a staff meeting. People already walk around in a complete daze while on cell phones, seemingly unaware of anything around them. I wonder why people can't just enjoy themselves doing whatever they are doing? I guess I just don't understand the need to always be glued to a blackberry or cell phone. What stock quote is so important or what conversation is so critical that it has to take place while you're getting checked out at the supermarket? Or during one of a thousand other inappropriate times.

  18. What about RSS instead? by Silwenae · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I understand in a society of instant gratification TV on a cell phone could be cool.

    But how often do you turn on MSNBC or Fox Sports and get the news you want right then without having to wait for the top of the hour news or ticker scores instead.

    What I would actually use on a cell phone is some kind of customized RSS feed, but more than what exists today. I'd think there has to be a way for a Fox Sports or an ESPN to create an RSS feed every 15 minutes with the latest scores. Let me subscribe to that over a cell internet connection, and let me pick the feed (for example NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB etc) or do the same for customized news.

    This way you can avoid televesion commercials and have some content on your phone personalized for what you want instead of taking what the big media companies give you.

  19. Battery Life by whiteranger99x · · Score: 2

    Something tells me that's going to play hell with the battery life on cellphones everywhere. :-)

    It's almost as practical as having a TV Screen right smack dab in front of you while you're driving your SUV, Truck, or whatever :-)

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  20. The first? by interactive_civilian · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So said the submitter:
    MobiTV is billed as the first streaming service to broadcast real-time video to cell phones.
    The first? Well, maybe in the US, but I believe Vodafone Japan has had TV on some of their phones for a little while now...

    The PDF about the V402SH describes one such phone...

    Of course, on the one hand it is different from the service mentioned above in that it is not a streaming service but rather a built-in tuner, but on the other hand it has no additional cost...

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  21. Re:How long will it work for? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative
    How much bandwidth does this use up?
    If you check out the demo, it can't use up too much bandwidth:
    1. Tiny, pixilated, herky-jerky picture (worse than video for windows 3.1 on a 286)
    2. The demo crashes (at least in firefox) when it tries to change a channel (shade of twilight zone: "Don't touch that dial. We control the horizontal. We control the vertical"). That's okay thugh - I certainly didn't want to listen to C&W this early in the day/week/year/lifetime.
    All in all, much easier (and cheaper) to buy the fm tuner headset that motorola sells for my cell phone.
  22. Post text STOLEN by StevenHenderson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's it like to watch TV on a cell phone? The TV junkie in me says it's great. I really like the idea that I can pull my cell phone out of my pocket and catch up with the latest news and sports scores in an instant.

    Looks a little familiar? Cause the text is right here on this PCWorld review:http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,1 17178,00.asp

    If you're going to plagiarize, make sure it isn't the first Google result.

  23. Watching t.v. in the bathroom... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 2, Funny

    has just became that much easier, despite the grossness factor.

  24. Framerate by StevenHenderson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From PC Magazine review:

    Video quality isn't as good as on your television set. In general, 15 frames per second (fps) is the minimum required for humans to perceive continuous motion, and 30 is the goal. Idetic currently aims for 1 fps

    How the heck can anyone put up with 1 fps? I get annoyed watching streaming video on the net that isn't fluid. I understand its cool and all, but isnt this a stretch?

  25. My life was incomplete... by The+Chaotician · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...when I could only drive, eat, smoke, drink, listen to the radio and talk on my phone at the same time. Now I can watch TV, too! Stay off the sidewalks, folks.

  26. Welcome, to the world of tomorrow! by AIX-Hood · · Score: 4, Funny

    How far we've come. From people watching the very first tv on tiny screens in public places, to people watching tv on tiny screens in publ... er...

  27. I tried it by IRNI · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a sprint customer and I tried MobiTV. I cancelled after the first day and got a refund. In my mind it is a totally retarded idea for the following reasons:

    1. It is way to small to make anything out.

    2. it isn't loud enough coming out of the tiny little speaker on the back of the phone. Sure you can put in a headphone to hear it better but I don't have one with me at all times.

    3. The backlight goes out after a couple of seconds so it is hard to see again... of course I could set my phone to always leave the backlight on... then I should be able to watch a 30 minute show before I have to charge again I guess.

    4. The channels are beyond rediculous. I couldn't find anything worth watching.

    5. This "TV" on the cell phone is more like a slideshow. There is no motion. At 9.99 this is an absolute ripoff.

  28. MobiTV Sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I work in a vendor call center for a major US cell carrier. And theoretically we are supposed to support MobiTV. It is just a fast slideshow with audio, and it's pretty crappy.

    Besides the way the network works. Emergency calls take top priority, regular voice calls next, and data is dead last. During peak times of the day your data rates are going to suck. So why are they trying to overload the networks with limited bandwidth?

    On another note. I don't know why people aren't using black & white streaming video and mono audio. It would be geat for dialup connections.

  29. Japanese already have TV on their phone by kyoko21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Japanese cell phone carrier Vodaphone started rolling out phones with TV abilities by integrating a TV tuner into the cell phone itself to pick up over the air TV signals. This past spring they've rolled out a new line of phones from Toshiba to expand upon their previously released phones from NEC. I first saw advertisements for these new phones on Japanese Drama shows.

    More information on these phones can be found in the translated URL below. Granted though, this tuner cannot pickup Digital Signals over the air, hence no HDTV ready.

    Link here.

  30. Who? by JawzX · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can understand that someone, somewhere actualy WANTS this functionality on thier cell phone, but not me, or anyone I know personaly. So WHO? Where? lets take a little mini survey; Who are you? Where are you? Why do you want/need TV functionality on your cell phone? I consider "becuase it's cool" to be an invalid reason and all replys using that excuse will be smacked with a large, fresh, very cold Trout, or ignored, whichever comes first.