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Lucas to Make Sequels to Star Wars After All?
SageMadHatter writes "After denying the possibility of three new Star Wars movies taking place after the original triology story line, it appears that the possibility has actually opened up."
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Funny how a couple hundred million can make someone change their minds :)
On the otherside its all just rumors until the cameras start rolling....
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Who would have thought that an anonymous post on a fan site about something so obvious would lead to something like this.... no ... no really... who would have thought?
Preferably the same who directed ESB.
Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!
The first trilogy was excellent.
The second trilogy has, to date, been somewhere between lousy and sub-par.
I'm no mensa member, but I can spot a pattern here.
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There are no longer any orginal ideas in Hollywood, of course Lucas will keep the franchise rollin'.
So far, we've got three movies which don't stand the test of time (the orignal three) and two movies that stand neither the test of time nor of wallet nor of stomach (the most recent pair).
It's a pretty safe bet that Revenge of the Sith is going to smell like the ass of a baboon, too.
And yet, finding a SW fan who'll mail nine bucks to UNICEF, instead of going to the midnight show of a movie with a character named Kit Fisto, is like pulling teeth from a chicken.
Pass. Pass pass pass pass pass.
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If Lucas thinks that he can get money out of the frothing masses of geeks, then he'll do it. Hence, the DVDs to be released this fall, after saying that he would only release DVDs as a full 6-box set?
I honestly ask, is anybody surprised anymore?
No matter how bad he makes the prequels they are still doing well financially. He's releasing the original trilogy on DVD and thats gonna make a good buck. It was only a matter of time before he made the full 9 films he originally promised.
If we are lucky he'll go with the formula of the original trilogy and let others direct.
If we are really lucky he'll go out and get someone who actually knows how to write a good script.
It would be nice to actually see if they can get some no name actors that actually know how to act.
oh.. and wookies!!!
If he used the stories from the Thrawn Trilogy, and got a different director, basically only producing the project (taking some cut), they might be ok.
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Wake me when Lucasfilm makes an announcement.
He should hand the reigns over to Spielberg - at least for one movie.
Seriously. Lucas is a great storyteller, but not the greatest writer.
He's a great filmaker, but not the best director.
He creates wonderful characters - but doesn't flesh them out as it seems they should be.
I'm being a little harsh here; I personally think that episode II was pretty nifty (episode I had about 60% nifty): and I've never written a script nor some of the most renound movies of all time.
But let speilberg take a whack. Lucas created this universe, but I think someone else may be able to wield it in ways never dreamed.
After all, the greatest swordsmith isn't always the best fencer. The greatest composer not always the greatest musician.
Dude... you realize that you don't have to watch the movies, right?
... or if that's a bit strong, maybe just a stroke that would keep him from butchering the sequels as he has the prequels (and the 'special editions')...
Imagine if Coppola tried to do 'Godfather 4'.. I would have to kill him...
The fact that you are asked to sign an NDA is fair game. After all, what if you refuse to sign? You could safely say that "I've refused to sign an NDA saying that I won't discuss anything regarding the making of episodes seven, eight, and nine."
On the other hand, if you do sign it is it legal for them to add into the NDA that you are not allowed to disclose the fact that you've even signed an NDA? You could always then say "Before I sign this, hang on a sec..." [send email to news site before NDA is applicable] "Okay, I'm ready to sign now..."
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
Because I don't think the sequel can be stopped by any other three words.
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how they are going to work in the Space Pepsi.
Technically? No, no we don't. But realistically we do. And we will, and we will bitch and moan and accuse Lucas of destroying our childhoods.
Why do we do this?
Because deep down inside, we are all just like the Comic Book Guy.
for years, i've known that Lucas would never let his best money-maker die.
and i'm also betting that there will be more star wars movies made after Lucas dies.
after all, star trek didn't die with Roddenberry...
...that *if* they get made, they don't degrade my fun memories of what Star Wars *should be* any further.... :-(
Perhaps you shouldn't watch them, then. It's not like it's some third party - it's the creator of that universe. It's his to do with as he pleases, good or bad. If you didn't like the prequels, and can't take your rose-colored glasses off to watch the first three, perhaps just staying out of the theater is your best bet.
> which would imply that Luke would ultimately turn to the dark side
:)
> (presumably after training Lea).
Anyone who's actually met a real, live female would know it's gotta be Leia who would turn out to be a Sith. Men are from Mars, Women are Evil, ya know.
Also, to anyone who thinks the published books represent what Lucas would do with the series really doesn't get it. Lucas doesn't care about the books - only the movies are 'canon' in the Star Wars universe. Well, that and the money they bring in for Lucas.
.. that my childhood is being "re-invisioned" then resold to children today.
The poor kids... all they get are hand-me-downs.
Thank goodness for Harry Potter.
Please, oh please, Mr. Lucas, tell me you would base these on one or more of the existing series of Star Wars novels set in that timeframe, many of which were well written and thought out. I wouldn't presume to recommend anything specific, as I've only read a few (good and bad), but there is a lot of worthwhile material out there. It would be a tremendous disservice to both those authors and your fans to disregard or ignore it!
The rough storylines in the last 3 were condensed to make ROTJ.
Personally I think that when the old cast gathered for commentary tracks on the new DVD, ol' George saw the potential.
I can see Hamill playing an aging Jedi Master, dispensing knowledge and mirroring Alec's role from ANH. But I can't see Harrison playing a senile Han Solo who can't remember where he put his hydrospanners.
Finally, what's the point? Unless you take Thrawn's trilogy and adapt them (which would be fookin kewl) Lucas would have to rely on his corny serial structure, resurrecting Sidious somehow, taking on new disposable apprentices for each of the new 3 flicks, and culminating in a final Boss battle.
But yeah, rumor has it that Spielberg wants to direct them. That would make all the pain go away.
Because deep down inside, we are all just like the Comic Book Guy.
And that, my nerdy friend, is precisely why the world doesn't give a damn whether we like these movies or not.
Eh.
You don't want to appear less than heroic.
Just because there's an NDA... doesn't mean there will ever be a product.
Seriously, if there is a sequel - I want the original actors - and I want to see Luke follow the same path as Anakin.
*THAT* would be worth seeing.
After all, anyone who paid any attention to what Yoda said in Empire knows that Luke is trending to the dark side. Heck, it is even shown in ROTJ. About the only "light side" thing he does is refuse to strike down Vader. Everything else really seems to go against Yoda's philosopy.
Having Han and Leia fighting against Luke would be interesting... provided that the other luke... LUCAS stayed out of it.
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Has everyone forgotten the horrid episode IV-and-a-half, also known as 'Star Wars Holiday Special'?
Episode I was definitely not the first sub-par installment (in our chronology at least).
I also vaguely remember the two 'Ewok Adventures' I used to watch as a kid, and enjoyed, though at the time I was not yet old enough to be a good critic. When are these three bastard children going to be re-released?
No doubt. The Zahn triology is clearly head and shoulders above anything else written in the Star Wars realm.
Lucas had better base the movies from it; or else I AM GONNA . . . .
pay the 12 bucks to watch just like everyone else.
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There is no need to worry over how Lucas will ruin 3 more Star Wars films; it will never happen. First, the NDA stuff is a rumor that has been around for a while, and is just there to protect some IP. Second, Lucas is too old to want to devote another solid 10 years to the single topic of SW films. Third, Lucas has said in public that he wants to do more stuff in TV next. Fourth, there is no story. Its now clear that ROTJ ends the story arc that Lucas wanted to tell. Fifth, and last, is that there is way too much SW Universe crap put there (30+ novels) that fill up from the day after ROTJ to 20+ years beyond. Yes, I know that they are not "canon" unless Lucas writes them, but there is way too much out there and way to much money invested to then have some new movies come out and change it all. Can you imagine the fan backlash if all the stuff the novels created was then just made into "fan-fiction?" Get real.
You don't want to look, but you have to.
Seriously, George, if you're reading this, share some control with some of your trusted friends. Episodes I & II were so terribly bad. If you do VII-IX, please for the love of Yoda get your good buddy Steven Spielberg on the project and let him deal with the actors.
If you re-watch the original movies, then watch the new ones, they're all very much along the same vein. Simple, clear storylines; mostly predictable plot; silly alien characters and situations; and some nice special effects.
Aside from JarJar Binks I think I know what the real downfall of the Star Wars series is...
It's people who are now in their early 30s trying to relive the "magic" of their youth through, what was at the time, the biggest thing in their life. Now that they're older and the silliness isn't what they grew up on they think it's just idiotic. Star Wars was to my generation (I'm 31) what Shrek or Harry Potter is today to 8-12 year olds. If they make another Potter film in 2019 you're going to hear the same thing from the 30-something crowd about how it was different for them and the new films are only meant to appeal to the young crowd.
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Except that Jar Jar did not exist in the original trilogy - only in this "prequel" trilogy. He should not be in a "sequel" trilogy at all.
The problem is similar to Star Trek -- if you've killed off all the "most evil and powerful" bad guys, who do you deal with now? Star Trek threw in Q and the Borg and a wormhole to widen the available space. What is Star Wars going to throw in? Some descendant of Darth Maul, perhaps. The force behind the emperor and Darth Vader?
I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
Storm Trooper1: What have we got here then?
Storm Trooper2: It appears to be a case of suicide.
Storm Trooper1: His head's crushed in, surely he couldn't use the Force against himself like that!
Storm Trooper2: No, he made a positive comment regarding the first 2 episodes and was pummeled by a mob wearing 'Die Jar Jar' shirts.
Storm Trooper1: Yep, suicide alright
Honestly, I think George Lucas was watching Spaceballs and got to the part where Yogurt says the secret is 'Moichandising!' and saw they light.
"May da schwarz be wit you!"
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...is that with Star Trek, it's no longer being guided by the man with the original vision, it's a couple of Roddenberry's lackeys and you can plainly see that they don't fully understand what he wanted Star Trek to be. (Although I will say that despite being in the obvious minority here, I really do enjoy Enterprise)
Star Wars however, only has Lucas to blame. It's as if it works better without a beginning or an end, like we'd rather look out the window into the story instead of walking down the street to see what's on the next block. It's like he's trying to come up with more story instead of letting it flow naturally, almost like his own creation doesn't make sense to him, and that is why I think the new ones don't appeal to us like the old ones did.
And Tolkein stole it from real-life Hannibal.
Repeat after me: theme and variation, theme and variation; art is not created in a vacuum.
Of course there is a line where being derivitive (as all art is to some degeree) becomes a fault. However I think that the original SW (and ESB) added more than enough new elements, or combined existing elements in new ways that it stands as a decent little film.
Cheers.
And that, my nerdy friend, is precisely why the world doesn't give a damn whether we like these movies or not.
Not to mention the fact that even if they were the most brilliantly written and directed movies ever people would still be on here bitching about them!
There's no "technically" about it. If you don't want to go see a movie, just don't fucking go. It's not that difficult.
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As for the ROTK think with the Oliphaunts, though, I think you're stretching a bit. As a previous poster mentioned, the idea for big 4 legged attack vehicles could have come from anywhere - probably Lucas' team of brainstorming concept artists.
The Luke/Legolas thing doesn't work either, because Legolas didn't do that ridiculous oliphaunt surfing stuff in the book - only in the movie that came out many years *after* TESB.
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Not to mention the fact that even if they were the most brilliantly written and directed movies ever people would still be on here bitching about them!
Oh, just like how everyone is pissing and moaning over Spider-Man II and X-Men II. Except they're not. Because they didn't stink.
Hey, I'd be much more interested in that than in these star wars movies!
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You know, the similarities to The Hidden Fortress are often pointed out, but there's stuff in ANH that looks like it was lifted straight out of other Kurosawa, too. For example, the cantina scene (Obi-wan lops off an arm, which you then see center frame) bears more than a strong resemblance to the scene in Yojimbo where Mifune's character takes a guys arm off. Later, in the same film (Yojimbo), there's a shot of Mifune popping up a floorboard that looks like Han Solo rising out of the smuggling compartments on the Millenium Falcon.
I'm probably reading too much into trivial aspects, but it always felt to me like Lucas borrowed more from Kurosawa's cinematic style than his stories. Frankly, if he'd picked up on Kurosawa's ability to write, we'd have been blessed with better movies.
Not withstanding Lucas' seemingly awesome ability to f*ck things up... this should come as pretty great news. Why? Because hopefully Lucas will do two things:
1) Hire directors and stay out of the director's chair himself. Lucas is a far better visionary than he is a director. When he gets to close to the director's chair we get cutesy sh*t that even kids think is gay.
2) Draw from any of the truly great (non George Lucas) Star Wars fiction that exists. Let's face it: Timothy Zahn writes better Star Wars than Lucas ever did. Hell, even the Star Wars comic series (Marvel) was better written than anything by Lucas.
Bottom line: Lucas should paint in big strokes. He's got a great talent for epic space opera. He's got a lousy talent for actualizing it.
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Uh, Blade Runner touched on that very subject in a very impressive fashion; just because it didn't spell it out for you doesn't mean you couldn't interpret it in that exact way.
You're right, although I don't think that was the main subject of the movie. But then again, I may be wrong again. Blade Runner touched on so many things, it's hard to unravel them and isolate the most important.
Man, you people bitch way too much. With the exception of Jar Jar, I thought SW1 was pretty good. The pod racers were just cool. Not like anyone here is going to write a better script to explain the beginnings of Darth Vader anyway...
SW2 was all about special effects. The idea of an army of clones is interesting. Explains why all stormtroopers wear masks (so you don't have to see the same face everyplace).
I hate to break it to you, but for people who are older than 15, special effects do not make a great (or even good) movie. Plot, acting, and dialog are very important as well, and Episodes 1 & 2 did not have these.
You have apparently never seen any Trek movie then...
I did say "rarely". ST5 was probably about as bad as Ep2.
I mean, over 2 hours and two 5 minute action scenes in it?
[MINOR SPOILER]The rest of the time it was drama for children, complete with the NASA astronaut fionce being left at the alter.
Ukkkkkkkkk. A thousand times UuuuukkkKKK!!!!
X-Men II, on the other hand, ruled.
Hmmm. That's funny. I thought Spiderman 2 was the best comic book to movie adaptation to date. And, for the record, I thought Spiderman 1 was pretty good, I liked X-Men, I thought X-Men 2 was much better, I liked the first Batman movie (the one with Keaton) but thought the rest stunk, and I even kind of liked Tank Girl (though it was still a pretty bad movie.)
Drama for children? Are you serious?
I noticed that you dropped down to AC to post that, so you must have realized few people would agree with it.
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