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New Lubricant Leads To Faster Hard Drives

azav writes "We all know about Moore's Law as it applies to chip speed but little attention is publicly made to the challenges of increasing speed in hard drives. A recent discovery in polyester (yes, polyester, you disco baby) lubricants will allow for faster and longer lasting hard drives."

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  1. FIRST ANAL "HARD DRIVE" LUBRICANT POST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    nyah

  2. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lubricants and "Faster, Longer Lasting hard drives."

    Sounds like some of the spam I get every day... cue all the bad jokes.

    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I swear most slashdot readers must either be 15, or never have sex. Once someone uses the word lubricants, everyone gets giddy...

    2. Re:Wow... by DrGonzo1138 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I can't even say titmouse without giggling like a school girl"
      -Homer Simpson

    3. Re:Wow... by Spudley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You've got to admit that the innuendo in that headline is... um... somewhat unsubtle.

      To be honest, I always suspected the term "hard drive" was invented as a sick inside joke by computer geeks, (along with a few other very suspect phrases).

      But what really convinced me was when I went to South Africa and discovered that a 3.5" floppy disk is known over there as a "stiffy disk". Ostensibly, the original idea was to differentiate them from the older 5.25" floppies, but you've got to admit that whoever came up with that one must have known what he was doing.

      I'm not usually one to laugh at blatant innuendo, but the first few times I heard that phrase being used, it absolutely cracked me up - not just for the phrase itself, but for the fact that no-one else seemed to get the joke. To them the phrase is completely natural: A South African computer geek can get away with telling people that he's got a stiffy in his pocket, and it won't even raise a smirk.

      (having said that, it's been a while since I've used a stif... uh, a 3.5" floppy, so I can't be sure the phrase is still current - SA readers, feel free to correct me)

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    4. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My father's 48, and he finds it amusing as well.

      He's probably never had sex then.
    5. Re:Wow... by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'm not usually one to laugh at blatant innuendo, but the first few times I heard that phrase being used, it absolutely cracked me up - not just for the phrase itself, but for the fact that no-one else seemed to get the joke


      I'm told that Australians have a similar reaction when they hear people talking about getting "root access"...

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    6. Re:Wow... by falzer · · Score: 5, Funny

      The mailman, on the other hand, didn't find it funny at all.

  3. Big deal... by Junta · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am constantly bombarded about emails promising 'longer lasting hard drives' something about pills or herbs, this is nothing new.

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  4. Maybe they just need some... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    of this?

  5. My hard drive speed... by Cornelius+Chesterfie · · Score: 5, Funny

    With this, my hard drive speed increased a lot, if you know what I mean, and I think you do!

    However, I don't know about "longer lasting". I guess it depends on the person. Mine becomes a floppy after 2 minutes.

  6. Hmm? by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Funny

    What are you selling? Hard drives or sex jelly?

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  7. Come on by Legion303 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Hard". "Lubricant". "Faster". How the hell are the trolls supposed to twist this into a quick laugh? You guys are making it too difficult.

  8. Attention slashdot management by bigberk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first twenty posts for this article should prove as valuable for marketing research of slashdot readership. You should be posting pornography, not links to tech articles. Yes, I'm kind of joking but kind of not.

  9. Re:Drive Heat by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Informative

    most likely your GPU or the end of the cpu heatpipe is there...
    No current 2.5" HD needs more than 5W during normal usage, which is WAY lower than many other components...

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  10. Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But will they make it to market before memory cards large enough and cheap enough to feasibly replace hard drives altogether do?

    1. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are there slashdotters that believe memory chips will replace hard drives on a large scale any time soon?

      2TB is the addressing limit of that standard, not the amount of memory they will have. 2TB memory cards will take a loooong time to be released, esp. given that 8GB CF cards aren't available, 4GB CF cards are still pretty expensive, if available at all.

      Because flash memory cards follow RAM in costs, I doubt flash drives will replace hard drives any time soon unless you want your hard drive to be as small as your RAM space. Very similar processes are used, and I don't think the cost of making 32MB RAM chips are much different than 32MB solid state chips, because they are very similar in complexity.

    2. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by Duke+Machesne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, right now memory cards are wildly more expensive. But hard drives used to be wildly more expensive than they currently are, too.

      The first round of very fast and very efficient (if also very expensive) flash memory cards large enough to be considered viable hard-drive replacements are coming around now.

      Just as demand for hard-drives has pushed down hard-drive price, and demand for increasing amounts of RAM has pushed down RAM prices, so will increasing demand for solid-state memory hard-drive replacement cards increase.

      I, for one, am optimistic.

    3. Re:Faster Hard Drives are nice... by VeryProfessional · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But will they make it to market before memory cards [slashdot.org] large enough and cheap enough to feasibly replace hard drives altogether do?

      Why the assumption that we have one or the other? The history of computing is one of a lengthening memory pyramid. It used to be just RAM and nonvolatile storage. Now we have three levels of cache on top of that. Now (excepting certain bits of bloatware *cough cough*) operating systems are not growing in size at the same rate as storage technology. I still have trouble filling more than a gigabyte or two on a basic Linux install. Why not have a situation where OS and core applications are stored on solid-state memory chips (say 10 G), while all the media that people are so fond of can end up on your mega hard-drive? That way you get the benefit of both: snappy load times for executable code, and near-unlimited, low-cost storage for all your media.

  11. Re:Faster Hard Drives? by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
    SATA is the speed of the bus from the hard drive, not the actual drive. You'd currently need a RAID cluster of drives to fill the SATA bus.

    And hard drive speed does matter, a huge amount. Unless you have a crapload of RAM and everything you use is cached, 90% of the time you spend waiting for programs to start up or large files to be read is waiting for the HD to read the data. A faster HD can make a computer feel much snappier than a slow one.

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  12. Stop making joke by Hao+Wu · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is not funny. We have very serious technology break-through, and you should not be laugh about "Hard drive", "lube-and-polyester, "etc."

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  13. Bearings by stimpleton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The oddest materials pop up for load bearing duties.
    "Felt bearings" have been used in the automotive industry for years.

    Especially in rack and pinion steering system where lateral forces are not so high.

    Lubricants for the felt material include oil and graphite powder, or run dry.

    While more durable bearings such as needle roller, bronze sleeve, and teflon bushings, may be the preference of performance applications, ease of fitment, damping ability, and cost, still ensures felt bearings are used today, both in automotive and other industrial machinery. It is very possible, you have owned a car with one or moore felt bearings somewhere in the steering system.

    The properties of synthetic material as a bearing surface have been used and far back as 1950's(and maybe beyond).

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  14. sterically hindered polymer by bodrell · · Score: 4, Informative
    For those who failed chemistry . . .
    The polymer used in this application is a sterically hindered polyester. An ester is a carboxylic acid with some sort of organic group replacing the hydrogen (i.e., O=C-O-CH3 is the methyl ester moiety).

    Bulky groups sterically hinder a molecule, making part of the molecule inaccessible. One very common application is the sterically hindered base, like triethylamine. A normal amine is NH3, but a triethyl amine is N(CH3)3. The effect is that the compound raises a solution's pH, but cannot react with other functional groups easily. This helps prevent side reactions / biproducts.

    t-BOC is one type of a sterically hindered protective group. Generally, protecting groups are removed as one of the final steps in order to get the desired product. This polyester has steric hindrance that protects the ester bond. But the article didn't say how that was accomplished. Adamantanes are another type of bulky group used to sterically hinder a molecule.

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    1. Re:sterically hindered polymer by bodrell · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, I bet there are a lot of people who've never failed chemistry who didn't know what a sterically hindered polyester is. I'm also sure that there are a ton of smart chemistry students who, thanks to your pedantic "explanation" are no wiser.

      I hope that you don't plan to teach chemistry to anyone who doesn't already know it. Not everyone has studied organic chemistry.

      (I didn't write the above comment; just trying to keep the thread from getting too deep)
      Sorry, but anyone who studied (and passed) chemistry ought to know what steric hindrance is. If you're having trouble with my vocabulary, then I'll try to clarify.


      Steric: having to do with space. As in, "I was unable to fit my couch in the Honda Civic due to steric hindrance."
      Polymer: A molecule composed of three or more repeating units. This can be a heteropolymer (more than one type of repeating unit) or a homopolymer (only one type of repeating unit). The repeating unit is called a monomer, and often has an antiquated name. For example, ethylene is the antiquated name of ethene, a two-carbon hydrocarbon with a double bond between carbons. However, polyethylene has no double bonds (because the bonds opened during the polymerization).
      Moiety: A part of a molecule that has a particular functionality. For example, the amino acids each have three moieties: the amino part, the acid part, and the side-group. For proline the amino part is the side group also. Functional groups (amines, esters, acids, alcohols, etc.) are all moieties.

      Are we clear now? Or is that still too pedantic? BTW, I'm not a teacher and don't plan on being one in the near future. There are different levels of understanding of any subject. Just because some people don't know what a molecule is doesn't mean I should define every term when I mention them. To quote H. L. Mencken, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."

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  15. Re:Faster Hard Drives? by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    User data needs will always increase.
    I remember spending a boatload of cash on a 4GB drive about 6 or 7 years ago thinking that would be more than enough storage for at least the next decade.
    I've now got a 160GB boot drive and 1/2 TB array for storing media files (DV video, music, photos, etc).

    I don't think it will be too much longer before people stop keeping physical files in the home, and instead scan all of their receipts, bills and statements as scanned images on their computers.

    If you think video takes up a lot of space now, wait until all consumer electronics use HD video and storage needs increase by 4x.

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  16. Re:What's changed? by Tlosk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ignore the other people who replied, I don't think they bothered to read the article. The lubricant on the disc surface is just to help protect it from damage (platters are already have a protective layer, but this new one has better characteristics at high speed and is simpler to apply because it doesn't require seperate adhesives).

    The term lubricant probably wasn't the best choice, rather it's just a protective film.

    Supposedly at the high RPMs of top of the line drives, the film currently used can ripple or even spin off entirely after prolonged usage which leaves the disc more vulnerable to head contact or armature resting.

  17. Its funny. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That I am reading this right after I reinstalled a new harrdrive on my Notebook where after 2 1/2 years the IBM Travelstar died on me. So in in an other 2 1/2 years these drives will be available for my next replacement. Still I wish I had the option to at least raid 1 my laptop. Even it it does add weight and uses more battery.

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  18. Re:Faster Hard Drives? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 4, Funny
    "What I really worry about is hard drives not getting any bigger."

    The women keep telling us 'size doesn't matter'.

  19. Re:Faster Hard Drives? by at_18 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hard drives are pathetically slow. A seek takes 10 milliseconds, that's a factor of almost a million slower than a random memory access. The biggest noticeable delays (boot up time, firefox load time, open office load time, etc.) are all caused by the slow hard disk. Transfer speeds, which are now approaching 50MB/sec, are good enough. And size is still going up: two years ago 120 GB, one year ago 250 GB, this year 400 GB. No sign of slowing.

  20. Insightful! by tunabomber · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, every girlfriend loves a speedy hard drive! After all, it allows her to perform everyday computing tasks, such as finding the MS Word document she's looking for or installing a new version of Quicken.

    This new lubricant will allow the the hard disk to go faster because it will form an interface between the moving parts and the part of the head that touches them. The smooth, slippery, evenly-coated moving parts will slide much more easily against the head, prolonging its life.
    Really, this is one magnificent technological achievement.

    And to think, all the comments I've read so far have been pornographic innuendos made by "+1, Funny"-hording neanderthals. But your post, on the other hand....

    I just re-read it. nevermind....

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  21. Polyester, eh? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm. I've been using polyester based oils in my engines for a long time. So am I going to have to change my HDD oil every 3000 gigabytes or something?

  22. Vapor pressure of HD lubricants -- lifespan? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've often wondered about the rate of evaporation on fluid-bearing HDs. Running at high temperatures, even the lowest level of evaporation will mean a loss of lubricant over the years. Even inside the semi-sealed chamber of the drive, each on-off cycle will mean that the drive exhales the evaporated lubricant and the cooling pattern of a turned-off drive will mean condensation of lubricant on the inside shell of the case.

    Ball-bearings (well-designed ones at least) can last virtually forever. I wonder if the same can be said for fluid bearings?

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  23. Improvements through the mundane by michael_cain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is surprising how often improvements in our computer technology comes from relatively mundane sources. For example, much of the reason that Moore's Law has continued to hold is the way that the mechanical engineers have been able to constantly improve our ability to position things accurately. Masks and wafers must be positioned with astonishing (at least to me) accuracy relative to each other in order to allow creation of 90 nm features.

    1. Re:Improvements through the mundane by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "...our ability to position things accurately."

      You've hit upon a deep philosophical point. All that information is, is the location of things. Computation is moving things around.

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  24. Re: Wow ... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Funny
    I swear most slashdot readers must either be 15, or never have sex.

    We have a winner ...

  25. Re:Great, but... by DarkMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not meaning to be (overly) pedantic, but that's not wear. Wear is caused by bits rubbing over each other.

    This is not just a semantic difference. The failure modes of silicon chips are mostly diffusion limited - that it, the metal conductors expand, the pn junctions become more diffuse, vacencies develop in the silicon, and so on. The failure mode of a part which wears is generally that the wear causes a mechanical weakness in a part till it breaks, bends, or is otherwise no longer functional.

    This difference is reflected in the time to failure of different devices. Electronics show a bathtub curve - essentially, manufacturing defects show up in young failures, then after a period (around 8 - 10 months), there is no intrinsitic source of failure other than the (slow) diffusion limited modes, so there number of devices failing drop very low, until that mode dominates, at sometime around 8-10 years after manufacture.

    Mechanical parts also show young failures, but, due to wearing, they do not last as long, and the rate of failures does not drop as low. The exact duration is determined by the type of use of the part. For example, this motor here *clunk* has bushes and brushes that have a design life of 1 months constant use, which translates to about 4 years with typical uses patterns. On the other hand, the motor in a washing machine is rated for something like 2 years constant use. The washing machine motor has bigger bushes and brushes, which are designed to last longer.

    I could go on, but a) it gets boring rapidly, and b) I'd have to did out some notes on it, and cba.

    In 10 years with computers, which gives experince with devices up to 20 years old, I have seen 1 case of failure in a componant over 3 months old that was not caused (directly or indirectly [0]) by mechanical wear.

    Having said all that, Flash memory is not as reliable as most electronics, as it has a particular structure that causes insulator breakdown after around 1000 writes. But that's not _really_ wear, although I'm told it has a similar failure profile.

    Not moving parts does not translate to no deterioration, but it _does_ mean no wear.

    [0] Couple of times, power supply fans died, power supply overheats, fails, and frys electronics.

  26. Crossword. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Funny

    One time, I was doing a crossword.

    DI_K

    12. Can be floppy or hard.

    Couldn't make this sort of thing up if I tried.

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  27. The challanger... by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Funny
    Heh, a while ago I read a guide on HardOCP about how to install a blowhole in the top of your computer case. It had one sentence that went like so:
    "I know I am anal enough that if my blowhole were cocked to one side, it would drive me nuts. (Show me another non-sexual sentence that uses "anal, cocked, blowhole, and nuts" and you will have my props.)
    This story title doesn't use those exact words, but surely getting four sexual innuendos in any sort of casual sentence is a worthy accomplishment. :)
  28. in another case of "the blind leading the blind" by Roman_(ajvvs) · · Score: 4, Informative
    If a HDD is using micro-magnets to read/write from the platter, wouldn't the presence of a (relatively) giant magnet in the middle of the platter, bounce other magnetic bits around to such a degree that you'd either require a larger, unusable inner section of the platter, or lose the ability to use magnetic methods of storing data on the platter?

    I can imagine a magnetically floating CD-ROM drive though, since optical systems aren't (measurably) affected by magnetism.

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