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Zero Gravity Flights for the Rest of Us

waynegoode writes "Zero G Corporation, whose motto is "Question Gravity", is now offering zero gravity flights to the general public. For $3000 you get training and a 90 minute ride with 15 periods of 25 seconds of low or zero-gravity: 3 1/3 Mars gravity, 3 1/6 Lunar gravity, and 9 zero gravity. Peter Diamandis, the man behind the Ansari X Prize, worked 11 years to get FAA approval. Previously, such flights were available only to astronauts, researchers, and Tom Hanks; although recently flights for the public began Russia for about twice the price. Story also here."

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  1. And I thought... by Nos. · · Score: 5, Funny

    The porn industry would do it first!
    Come to think about it, maybe they'll start using this as well, though 25 seconds isn't very long.

    1. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Errrr, actually... they've already been there and done that:-
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310288/
      (see the trivia section)

      There's a review here:-
      http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=33 52

    2. Re:And I thought... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, they do get 15 periods of 25 second zero Gs, and that should give plenty of screen time for the "money shot". It's about 6 minutes or so, and with multiple cameras, they could log a lot of footage. Besides, the price is quite low for a commercial production. Most of the rest could be done on a sound stage someplace...

      I do think, however, they might want to charge an extra "clean up" premium on porn shoots...

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    3. Re:And I thought... by beeglebug · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They did, it was called The Uranus Experiment, and they filmed the money shots on the original vomit comet, AFAIK.

    4. Re:And I thought... by smithmc · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do think, however, they might want to charge an extra "clean up" premium on porn shoots...

      This is the porn industry we're talking about here - they could afford to buy their own damn plane. Pad all the walls with foam rubber upholstered in pink velvet, put in '70s colored lighting, and have "bow-chicka-bow-bow" in 3D surround... Hell, I'm surprised the porn industry doesn't have their own space station already.

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  2. Or... by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Simply take a bottle full of Ipecac and save yourself a few thousand dollars.

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  3. Wow, when I want to throw up.... by wolfemi1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I just drink copious amounts of Jagermeister. Works like a charm, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

  4. Question Gravity? by Soko · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Gravity isn't just a good idea, it's the law" - Author Unknown

    Now, to gravitate to the story...

    Soko

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  5. It sounds nice... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Consider that sky-diving can also offer you zero-g styled environment and it almost seems like a ripoff. If you were doing serious research it would be worth the cash but just for the sensation of free fall you can do better for less.

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    1. Re:It sounds nice... by mbrother · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sky-diving offers a very very windy free-fall experience that I can't imagine is really comparable at all. Maybe it's close enough at just under 1/10 the price (locally sky diving costs about $200 in Colorado for a first-time thing).

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    2. Re:It sounds nice... by Xoro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider that sky-diving can also offer you zero-g styled environment

      Not really, because in skydiving the local atmosphere is not falling at the same rate as you. I would expect the sensations to be very different.

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  6. First person account by dane23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xeni Jardin, over at Boingboing.net has a ticket and is blogging the experience.

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  7. Excellent! Exciting! by mbrother · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's relatively affordable for the uniqueness of the experience. And hey, maybe even more affordable. Since I write science fiction novels with such low-gravity and free-fall environments, I bet I could write this off! Whoo hoo!

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  8. Zero G on the Cheep! by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just find a road with some small hills and go fast enough to just become airborne. Always got a kick out of that as a kid in the back of my parents station wagon. May be short lived, but it's cheep!

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    1. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by east+coast · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just find a road with some small hills and go fast enough to just become airborne

      Trampolines work too... not for the car tho...

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    2. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Don't. Please.

      I lost friends in high school to "hill topping". In a controlled environment it could be pretty fun, but there are far too many ways to Darwin yourself:

      1. Be a few degrees from parallel to the direction of the road when you get air. By the time you land, you're displaced laterally from your driving lane by several feet in either direction. Oncoming cars or fixed barriers suck when you're airborne at ballistic speeds.
      2. Discover a loose farm animal standing in the middle of the road. Brakes work poorly when you're not in contact with the driving surface.
      3. Any other permutation of "inadvertent change in velocity vector", "large object", and "non-acceleration due to lack of friction"

      I dare say that the "vomit comet" is far safer than jumping your car on some hill out on the middle of nowhere.

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  9. Re:*Ahem* by 0WaitState · · Score: 4, Funny

    In case anyone's interested, skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience. The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.

    That and the big flat thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

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  10. Re:*Ahem* by nebaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All orbit is is free fall with enough horizontal velocity to match. Orbit simply is fast free fall. Zero-g exists in orbit. How is this different?

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  11. Re:*Ahem* by boeman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually this would be quite a different experience than skydiving due to atmospheric drag felt during a dive. Inside the plane all of the air is moving along with you and so there are no drag effects.

  12. Re:It's the Law by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hasn't anyone ever told you to Obey Gravity?

    The secret to flying is to hurl yourself at the ground and miss. (one of the more amusing ideas from HHGG)

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  13. Roller coaster ride for $30? by peter303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldnt you get a similar effect on some of the larger roller coasters? You could ride one 25 times for a days admission to a theme park.

  14. all about the vomit comet... by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Flying The Vomit Comet Has Its Ups And Downs. NOTE: article deserves props for it's title alone, but it's also very revealing about what getting to Zero G is like. Not sure if I'd want to do it, but it must be a crazy feeling.

    CB(whr=1)

  15. Combine this with normal travel by cft_128 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would be great, the Free Fall flights traveling, make the trips way more enjoyable. It would kick any in-flight movie's ass and I bet no one would complain about the lack of meals.

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  16. You can do this with a single prop plane now. by ozzmosis · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can do this with a single prop plane, it'd be hard to beat 25sec but you can get a good 10sec 0 gravity in one.

    1. Re:You can do this with a single prop plane now. by runner_one · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes you can, and I find it quite fun. But there is even more fun in watching the faces of your passengers while they dodge the various pieces of debris that is laying on the cabin floor of most rental planes (chewing gum wrappers, old pencils and pens, loose change and the occasional condom package from someone's mile high club attempt). These formally forgotten items once relived of the burden of gravity that is keeping them out of sight and out of mind under feet suddenly fill the cabin of the plane like the cloud of debris around a tornado. Your passengers now overloaded with experiences totally outside of anything they have ever experienced before become totally convinced in those few seconds that the aircraft is going to pieces around them, and most become total quivering blobs of jelly while calling out loudly to their deity to save them.

    2. Re:You can do this with a single prop plane now. by ndege · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agree. :)

      For those of you who don't have access to general aviation, I would suggest a demo flight at your local flight school. You can take a "Discovery Flight" during which time, you can ask for a "zero G pushover." And, if your instructor is nice, he/she will let you fly the aircraft through the pushover yourself. It is a rush and it is $49

      Here is a useful link: http://learntofly.com/howto/discovery.chtml

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  17. 25 seconds? by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shit, that's about all most of us nerds need :)

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  18. Re:*Ahem* by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Goddamn, who rated this informative?

    1) "anti-gravity space ship", what kind of rubbish is that?

    2) Actually according to relativity, there is no way of distguishing between acceleration and gravity. Therefore if I put you in a sealed box and either a) leave you floating in deep space or b) put you in free fall then there is no way of you telling the difference (ok, there is as there will be slight air resistance slowing you down, and you could measure the very tiny difference in gravity between the top and bottom of the box, etc.).

    There is always "c) you hit the ground" too of course :)

    but seriously, this really is zero-G for all intents and purposes foras long as they can accalerate you downwards at 9.8m/s

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  19. Re:*Ahem* by cjh79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, try to remember (I know this is hard sometimes) that this company is trying to make money. I'm sure they understand the physics of their airplane rides, but to the general public "Zero Gravity" sounds a lot more exotic and exciting than "Free Falling." You can't blame them for trying to market their product.

  20. Re:*Ahem* by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That should read "Free-Fall Flights for the Rest of Us". Zero Gravity has a very different meaning, and hasn't been an acceptable substitute for "free-fall" in 20+ years.

    Bah. This is pedantry. (on slashdot!?)

    Astronauts floating in the space shuttle are experiencing 'free fall' rather than 'zero gravity'. But not many people would quibble with using the term 'zero gravity' in that instance.
    The zero G experienced on this plane is the same zero G experienced by astronauts in orbiting vehicles.

    And skydiving isnt very similar at all - you'll reach terminal velocity quickly and will 'feel' the force of gravity thereafter. Not to mention it's a lot windier. Skydiving on the moon on the other hand... just dont come crying to me when your parachute doesnt work.

  21. Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by dpilot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller rode the Comet. I was even posted on Slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=115312 &cid=9770946
    In Penn's article, he mentions another noteworthy Vomit Comet expedition: The filming of the Pr0n movie, "The Uranus Experiment."

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    1. Re:Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by K8Fan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller rode the Comet.

      Yeah, I love that story! Here's Google's cache of it...Art Bell's web site no longer has it (apparently the gray aliens told him to take it down).

      Since it's so hard to find, I might as well post the entire thing here. It's not that long:

      Learning to Fly, Strip, and Vomit on a 727

      Penn Jillette

      Since I was a kid, I've wanted to be weightless. I really wanted to go to space, but part of going to space was being weightless. Just to hold something up in front of me, and have it stay right there is the idea of magic. As I got older, I battled gravity. My start in showbiz was as a juggler. Jugglers fight gravity. The hack jugglers cover a drop with a "standard" (meaning it's been stolen so much, those who didn't write it conveniently consider it to be public domain) 'cover' (it doesn't really cover very much, they know the prop is on the floor and they know you're chasing it, bent over like you're chasing a duck) line, "Sudden gust of gravity."

      Now, that I'm 45 years old and I weight 280 pounds, gravity is a less sporting and more real enemy. I'm 6'6" tall and I still remember Leslie Fiedler writing in "Freaks, Myths of our Secret Selves" that "gravity is not kind to those who grow too large." As we get older, it seems the jockey build is healthier.

      No one knows what gravity is. I mean we just don't know. There is no good theory. A good theory in science is one that we're damn sure is true: The Earth goes around the Sun. Evolution is how we got here. No one seriously doubts those. But, gravity, well, we just don't know.

      So, right now, the only way you can feel weightless for more than a couple rollercoaster seconds is by getting far enough away from Earth, or taking the Vomit Comet. The Vomit Comet is how NASA trains astronauts (the Russians must do it too, right?). They take a big old airplane and they go up and down really fast. When they go up, you weight 1.8 times your weight, and when they go down, you weigh around 0.

      The FAA has always given NASA a monopoly on losing all your pounds of ugly fat (along with muscle, bone, and everything else). Astronauts get to ride it, some scientists get to ride it, and that's about it. Ron Howard made some backroom deal (it MUST have included sexual favors) to be able to shoot "Apollo 13," on the NASA Vomit Comet and they talked about it a bit, but it was soon quieted down. You're not REALLY supposed to use a government-funded program to make movies. Not really. I mean, I'm glad Tom, Gary, and Kevin got to fly, but if everyone really thought about it, why can't we all ride?

      A couple free-market nuts at NASA decided they LOVED Zero G, and it was time to get off the socialist tit, and buy their own Vomit Comet and start selling rides on it. Everything the Vomit Comet does in within the specs of planes, and why can't we do what Ron and Tom got to do? That was the idea.

      When they first got this harebrained scheme, I heard about it. It seems that when anyone gets a harebrained scheme, I'm CC'd on the memo. I loved nuts, I'm for nuts, I am nuts. They all get in touch with me. I told them I thought it was a great idea (and you know how much that means), and I wrote them email, gave them tickets to our show, and went to dinner with them a couple times.

      They were going to get approval to fly a 727 very fast right straight down very soon. It was going to be a matter of months. That was 6 years ago. But, I kept talking to them, and whenever they gave me a date, I said I would be there, until it fell through again. Us free-market guys are always fighting the man.

      Well, they finally fought the law and kinda sorta won. They at least won enough for me to fly. I finally did it. After 6 years of grueling cheerleading, I got be be weightless. Only about

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  22. Re:*Ahem* by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Well, here's the thing. In my pilot training training I was taught that a "G" is a unit measuring the force of gravity that you feel. At 1G, I feel like I would normally walking down the street or sitting down with my 230lb body. At 2g, I would feel twice the weight, etc. In Aerobatic flight I experienced a sustained 4.5 G's and it really did feel like I weighed over 1,000lbs (I actually felt like my teeth were getting pushed into my jaw)! Zero G then, is when it feels like you are floating, and is pretty fun to do in a small airplane. Add power, pull up, and then as you push the nose over, you and everyone else in the airplane floats. There's no wind pushing against you and it does not feel like you are falling, it feels like you have no weight, ie 0G! So in that sense, though it might technically be inaccurate, I think the description is apt.

    I've never gone skydiving before, but I have always imagined that it feels an awful lot like falling- something which I have done. I can tell you that the feeling of weightlessness is very different from the sensation of falling. Maybe falling for quite a while makes all the difference but somehow I just don't see that it would.

    Finally, if you have that $3k to spend, why not invest it in a Private Pilot Certificate so you can go out and experience it for yourself whenever you have the hankering?

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  23. Re:*Ahem* by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
    That and the big flat thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

    Don't worry about that. No matter what happens, NASA technicians will most likely be able to recover some useful mission data.

  24. Slashdot Public Service Announcement by tgd · · Score: 4, Informative

    To avoid the possibility any other responders to this thread demonstrate a critical need to be cracked with a cluestick:

    What a person experiences in this case is *identical* to what you'd experience in Space.

    You don't suddenly leave the Earths gravitational field in orbit and start floating around. You just fall in a parabola that happens to miss the ground.

    One would think this was common knowledge, but from the posts on here, its clearly not.

    1. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 4, Informative
      It always seemed to me that a thrown ball, disregarding friction from the air, should describe an elliptic section corresponding to its orbit around the Earth's center of gravity, not the parabola that so often got mentioned.
      The parabola arises from a simplifying assumtion that the gravity producing body is infinite in all directions (which would result in a uniform gravitational field everywhere). Stated another way, assume the highest point the projectile reaches is small compared to the radius of the earth. Kind of like the assumption that accelleration due to gravity for earth is 9.8m/s^2 (which is true as long as you are sufficiently close to the surface). Take a baseball (mass=m1) and the earth (mass=m2). The magnitude of the force on the baseball is...
      F=G*m1*m2/r^2
      where
      G=universal gravitational constant (6.67E-11 Nm)
      r=distance between center of masses of m1 and m2 (radius of earth is ~6400km)
      The accelleration of m1 due to m2 is...
      F=m*a
      m1*a=G*m1*m2/r^2
      a=G*m2/r^2
      So if you throw the baseball 10 meters straight up, the gravitational field at the top of the arc will be about 3 ten thousandths of a percent less [compare (6400000)^2 with (6400000+10)^2]. That's a small error, so usually we ignore it. You might also be interested to know that a parabola is merely a degenerate ellipse with one of the foci at infinity. See also about conic sections.
  25. Re:*Ahem* by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure you'll call me a heretic, but I'd have to say it's a big *spherical* thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

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  26. They were... by morzel · · Score: 3, Informative
    The appropriately dubbed 'The Uranus Experiment' was filmed on location (i.e.: riding the vomit comet).

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  27. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    You have a profoundly flawed understanding of physics. The only difference falling in a plane and falling in an orbiting spacecraft is the air friction. The orbiting spacecraft misses the Earth thanks to it's velocity. The aircraft in this case counterracts the forces on air friction *nothing else*. So you're as weightless as you would be in space, and in fact it is *exactly* like an orbit in a physical sense when you're inside the plane.

  28. Re:Odd diagram... by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
    The zero-G condition occurs when the aircraft is moving ballistically. Whether the plane is ascending or descending is irrelevant. All that matters is that it is moving in a parabolic trajectory consistent with the acceleration of gravity.

    The reason the occupants of the plane experience this as a zero-G condition is because they are in freefall. They are moving precisely as they would be moving if they were falling toward the earth without air resistance. You need a plane to accomplish this, because in reality you cannot neglect the air resistance.

    You can experience the same condition briefly, simply by jumping in the air. During the time you are in the air, you are in a weighless condition.

  29. Pfft cheaper way than that! by Orclover · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I want to experience a few seconds of 0 gravity ill just fly southwestern airlines again.

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  30. Re:Or you could... by Jardine · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a little hard fly like superman on a roller coaster, even if the roller coaster is called "fly like superman roller coaster".

    You probably can fly like superman for a little bit if you wiggle out of your harness, it's just the landing would be very unsuperman-like.

  31. Yikes. by M.+Silver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for a charter airline, and we were approached by someone wanting to do something like this... probably 1997ish. They wanted to take some of our cargo planes, slap some FedEx PeoplePaks in them, and have them fly these sorts of flights during the day (when cargo planes are normally idle).

    The scary thing is that most cargo planes are cargo planes because they're too freakin' OLD for sane passengers to fly in.

    Now, okay, I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I can't imagine taking those creaky old (many older than I am; see sig) birds and doing *anything* weird with them. The whole time I was in freefall, I'd be thinking, "okay, is this going to stop, or did the wings fall off?"

    Okay, so the things would be all but unloaded, compared to hauling cargo, but still... seems like the stresses would be *different*. (Their FAQ doesn't exactly answer this straightforwardly, either.)

    Hmm. Nowhere on their website am I finding the tail number for their bird. Could be one of our 727-200's, but the airline I worked for hasn't updated its website since, well, about the time I left in 1998. Oh, wait. Nope, looks like it's Amerijet N994AJ.

    Heh. The reason the Zero-G website only shows the left side of the plane is because the right side is a Diet Rite ad.

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  32. Already available in Sweden... by apanap · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Zero group has been offering 0-g flights in Kiruna, Sweden, using a special built russian air-plane since last year, and made their first "space-tourist"-flights this year in April (at least they were supposed to but I couldn't find a source actually confirming it with my 5 minutes of googling...). One of the people from there made a presentation at my university in December and said they charged ~$/4000 for it. They are also supposed to used special equipment and lighting inside the cabin to make the flight even more interesting than just having low gravity.

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