Ubuntu Linux Preview Released

How many CDs by aklix · 2004-09-15 09:55 · Score: 2

How many CDs is this one. Mandrake alone is 3 and it's not that great. I wish I could get a Distro without asking a friend, Satalite internet is horrid.

Re:How many CDs by markshuttle · 2004-09-15 09:57 · Score: 5, Informative

Single install CD with a full desktop and core server packages, anything else is available off the online archive.

Hakuna Matada by grunt107 · 2004-09-15 09:57 · Score: 5, Funny

I want the 'Merry Muircat' edition. It would be faster and lighter than the warthog.

Sounds awesome. by mcc · 2004-09-15 09:58 · Score: 5, Interesting

But there's been ... like ... nine Debian derivative distributions to come out in the last year.

How do I know which of these will follow through, which of them will continue to be active in a year, and which ones will have maybe two more minor releases then just sort of peter out? How do I know what will happen to this one, in the long run? How do I justify not just taking the safe route and installing vanilla Debian?

I'd love to have a "user friendly" Debian distro to recommend to people so that they aren't stuck using Mandrake, but when three projects aspiring to that title crop up a year... can I consider them safe to recommend? I just don't know what to do.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by ricotest · 2004-09-15 10:01 · Score: 4, Informative

Unfortunately the server was slashdotted with 0 comments. Try the Coral link but that is also very slow.
Re:Sounds awesome. by damiam · 2004-09-15 10:10 · Score: 5, Informative

If the distro vanishes, you can always switch to mainline Debian, the packages should be fairly compatible.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by bogie · 2004-09-15 10:17 · Score: 2, Insightful

Your telling me. I was plently willing to stick with Stormix long term.

"I'd love to have a "user friendly" Debian distro to recommend to people so that they aren't stuck using Mandrake,"

Hello, Fedora, Suse. Anyway, while I'm no fan of proprietary Linux if your set on using a Debian based distro that's user friendly why aren't you pointing them at Xandros or Lindows? Really easy to use, newbie friendly versions of Debian are in short supply.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by ThogScully · 2004-09-15 10:19 · Score: 4, Informative

Well, you can install it, and should they stop development on it, you can put the APT sources for Debian in your sources.list and magically, you'll be running Debian.

The improvements most of these distros make on Debian it seems is that they make it easier to install and configure. But once that's done, one Debian system is just like any other for the most part. It just runs, or at least it should.
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Re:Sounds awesome. by Beatbyte · 2004-09-15 10:43 · Score: 4, Interesting

your "BEST of everything" != my "BEST of everything"

that's the problem. it's a flaw (if you see it as a flaw) that's fundamental to the system.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by dzelenka · 2004-09-15 10:53 · Score: 3, Informative

Here is the debian list of the debian-based distros:

* Adamantix
* BenHur
* Corel Linux
* Debian JP
* DemoLinux
* Demudi, http://www.demudi.org/, a multimedia distribution.
* Embedded Debian, http://www.emdebian.org/
* ESware Linux
* Euronode, http://euronode.org/
* Floppix, http://floppix.ccai.com/
* Gibraltar
* Impi Linux
* KNOPPIX, http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/
* Libranet, http://www.libranet.com/
* Linspire, http://www.linspire.com/
* Linex
* Linuxin
* Linux-YeS, http://eugene.mplik.ru/doc/lys/
* Linux Router Project, http://www.linuxrouter.org/
* MEPIS, http://www.mepis.org/
* M.N.I.S. Linux, http://www.mnis.fr/
* Morphix
* PingOO, http://www.linuxedu.org/
* Progeny Linux, http://www.progeny.com/
* Prosa, http://www.prosa.it/
* Stonegate
* Stormix Technologies' Storm Linux.
* TelemetryBox, http://telemetrybox.org/
* Xandros. ...and this list doesn't include Ubuntu or UserLinux yet.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by drinkypoo · 2004-09-15 11:12 · Score: 2, Interesting

Gentoo, regardless of what stage you start from, will teach you more about Linux (and by extension Unix) than debian will, assuming you are not using the GRP. Just doing the install teaches you a bit about setting up a system. In fact I recently had someone tell me that gentoo was the thing that finally led them to building their own Linux-based system from scratch - not a solution I advocate for much of anyone, except when building embedded solutions... but still interesting.

Debian's only advantage is that you can reasonably run your system on binary packages. However, gentoo is always up to date, has nice tools for mangling builds... er I mean managing, I think. And everything is built with your chosen options and support for exactly what you want, with your choice of libraries where applicable. It comes at a penalty in compiling time. You can install very rapidly by using the stage 3 build but if you decide to update to the latest you will be recompiling most of the system anyway, so I don't think there's much point to doing it that way unless you're in a big hurry. If you nice your upgrades then you can be doing other stuff while they build.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by sp0rk173 · 2004-09-15 11:26 · Score: 5, Interesting

I honestly don't think there is a good reason. Probably the main difference is that debian might be a bit more difficult to tweak to use the latest packages, whereas Gentoo stays pretty up to date, even when you don't have it keyworded (read: stable). For example, I'm expecting Gnome 2.8 to be in portage within a couple days. Infact, packages are getting merged in slowly. The downside to that, of course, is that an early adopter (again, a keyworded, "unstable" portage) might have an unstable system. I've always used keywords and have noticed very little, if any, instability. With gentoo, you just learn more. That's the reason i use it. I like things to play with to expand my knowledge on a subject. Gentoo does that. Gentoo also has a very intelligent system for handling rc scripts, that seems to just work. rc-update is just awesome. The downside to Gentoo (and it's a highly over exagerated downside), is it's compile time. To put things into perspective, I emerge sync (update the portage tree) daily. For the past week i've had maybe one or two small programs that needed to be updated, and the total compilation time was less than 10 minutes each time. Even with the compile time, the system is perfectly usable while the compile is taking place. Now, if you wait a month between each emerge sync && emerge -u world, you're going to be compiling for a LONNGG time. Your key to using Gentoo successfully is keeping it up to date.

What it comes down to isn't whether or not Gentoo or Debian is intrinsically better than the other, rather which of the two suits you better. I've used debian, and I didn't like it. I come from a mainly BSD background, so i appreciated portage, i appreciated a more simplistic rc script setup, and i appreciated the merits of a source-based distro. Gentoo just fits me. I suggest you try both, and come to a conclusion on your own. Otherwise, you'll be tainted by dogmatic views from both sides, trolls, and flames.
Re:Sounds awesome. by LiquidCoooled · 2004-09-15 11:43 · Score: 3, Interesting

Because I don't believe in rebooting a computer to run a specific program.

That blows, its like going back to ZX Spectrums with tapes.

I want to run what I need to run on the box I am on.
I expect it to take a matter of clicking and almost instantly having the software up.

I dont ever want to have to "reboot into windows to play a game". Fuck that! I haven't paid thousands of pounds for computer hardware over the years to regress.

[/rant] Ahhh, I feel better now :)

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Re:Sounds awesome. by Bachus9000 · 2004-09-15 11:45 · Score: 2, Informative

I wouldn't say Gentoo is "hard" to install. The guide on the Gentoo site is excellent, and even a Linux newbie like me can follow it and get a working system. :) It does take a long time, though...
Re:Sounds awesome. by AvantLegion · 2004-09-15 11:52 · Score: 4, Informative

Reasons I use Gentoo:
1) Gentoo's documentation and forums are second to none. I often look up answers to questions at the Gentoo forums even when using a non-Gentoo Linux distro. Gentoo's install is very involved, but detailed documentation accompanies every step-by-step part of the process.
2) USE flags give me a ton of control on what support is compiled into each package. If I want Freetype to use the patented bytecode that makes AA so purty (to my eyes), I just add a flag to my USE flags and it shall be compiled as so.
3) I've had less dependency problems with Gentoo/Portage than Debian/APT. The last time I used Debian, I had a dependency issue that I could not find help for quickly on Google or mailing lists. I've yet to have an ebuild problem in Gentoo that wasn't quickly explained/fixed by searching the Gentoo forums.
4) Debian makes me feel guilty if I want to use any reasonably up-to-date software. :) I have to use SUPER-UNSTABLE-OMFG-ITS-GONNA-BREAK distro. So many posts around insist "don't use Sid, it'll break! OMFG!!11 use Sarge!". I have to admit that it makes me a bit gun-shy. With Gentoo, if I get a funky "too new" package that's breakable, I can just roll that one back to an older version. Gentoo stable is very up-to-date but not exceedingly so.
Re:Sounds awesome. by BrokenHalo · 2004-09-15 12:28 · Score: 2, Insightful

Or you could always try Slackware. It's a no-brainer to install, but the whole distribution is geared towards maintainability, so you get to learn at least as much as any Gentoo user, but without so many headaches.
Re:Sounds awesome. by True+Grit · 2004-09-15 12:37 · Score: 4, Insightful

And ignore the trolls who don't understand what it's all about.

This is a story about a Debian variant, so why have you shown up trying to change the subject? Who is really the troll here? For Pete's sake, this distro isn't even trying to court the same user group that might be interested in Gentoo, so why are you here? Seriously.
Re:Sounds awesome. by Red+Alastor · 2004-09-15 15:28 · Score: 2, Informative

Fedora isn't a beta-test. Red Hat Enterprise is just... mature (yeah, that's the polite word). Not as much as Woody of course but...

Fedora is more bleeding edge. In theory, it have more bugs but in practice, it is rock solid. Give it a try, works great.

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Re:Sounds awesome. by CoolHnd30 · 2004-09-15 15:48 · Score: 2, Insightful

Why is every Debian thread getting hijacked by Gentoo users ??? Are you jealous ?? I'm getting sick of it..... SICK I SAY....... :)
Re:Sounds awesome. by antiMStroll · 2004-09-15 17:05 · Score: 3, Informative

I was a Gentoo user from the first release of 1.2 but after a long and arduous desktop install trashed by Reiserf and having no luck getting the latest release to see /dev/hda on my Nforce3 notebook, I looked around. FreeBSD won't boot due to a BIOS fault, Fedora works but it's still Fedora. Debian's Pure64 port has been a revelation. Fast (way faster than XP home on the alternate partition), stable and 14000+ packages in the Alioth Sid repository. I've always shied from Debian because of the incomprehensible install (for a Gentoo user!) but the lastest installer works great. I'm in no hurry to go back.
Re:Sounds awesome. by grokster · 2004-09-15 23:48 · Score: 3, Informative

If the distro vanishes, you can always switch to mainline Debian, the packages should be fairly compatible.
Ubuntu Linux will vanish when Mark Shuttleworth runs out of money...
... since he's backing it.

I was talking about this just the other day by JudgeFurious · 2004-09-15 09:58 · Score: 5, Funny

I was telling my wife that the real problem with Linux is that there just aren't enough distributions out there. If some of these people, these so-called "open source programmers" would get off their asses and crank out a few more distributions THEN this stuff would really take off.

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Re:I was talking about this just the other day by 0racle · 2004-09-15 10:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

Then only use slackware, debian, gentoo, fedora, suse or mandrake its not like you have to actually have to run every single one that exists. People make another distro because they want to, and they probably either learned a lot in the process, or enjoyed themselves. Like any open source project people have worked on, they were even kind enough to let others benefit from their hard work if they wanted to. They did it because they wanted to, or they felt that they had something to contribute so I doubt that they feel they wasted their time, and since it was there time to begin with what are you complaining about.

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Re:I was talking about this just the other day by MikeMacK · 2004-09-15 10:21 · Score: 5, Insightful

No, we need all the distributions we can get, more choice means more people are inspired to create software. True, some distros come and go, but that's also the way the free market works. Shaving Linux distros down to only a few would be like saying OK, we only need WAL-MART, K-Mart and Target - all those other stores are just a waste. If some people like shopping at those little stores, let them.
Re:I was talking about this just the other day by Kindaian · 2004-09-15 10:34 · Score: 2, Insightful

The beauty of Linux is that anyone can make a distribution...

Don't remove that liberty from the people please!...
Re:I was talking about this just the other day by TheDarkener · 2004-09-15 10:40 · Score: 2, Insightful

we really need to scrap 90% of the distributions out there, there are way too many, and out of the mainstream ones, we only need a few (less than a dozen, if not even less)

Why? Just because another distro comes out, do you expect the whole world to fall apart, and to have to get used to another new distro? Stick to the one you like. Nobody is forcing you to change, and nobody is forcing newbies to have any specific distro either. The beauty is choice. Test the new ones out if you want. The ones that have been around for a long time have proven their worth in the OSS community, and thus have better status with the masses. If you want stability, use one of those. If you're curious, use some of the newer ones. But don't ask things like "Will it be around in a few years?" or "Should I switch?" If you want those kinds of answers, go to a palm reader.

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Re:I was talking about this just the other day by bman08 · 2004-09-15 10:41 · Score: 4, Insightful

Who are we and how are we going to stop these sons of bitches from creating distros. The first step, I think, is to form a comittee. We'll call it the Distro Police. We'll flame every slashdot post about new distros. How dare people be allowed to take software that they're allowed to do whatever they want with and do whatever they want with it.
I don't think the Ubuntu guys and gals are doing this because they think they're going to put redhat and suse out of business. They're doing it because they want to. If you get an itch, I promise I won't complain if you scratch it.
Also, maybe this Ubunto thing is it. Gentoo was nothing just a couple of years ago. Same with Lycoris and Linspire.
Re:I was talking about this just the other day by theantix · 2004-09-15 12:26 · Score: 2, Interesting

Exactly. I have been wanting something like this for a long time now, but the hypercommercialized debian-based distros like Lindows and Xandros dropped the soap big time -- just didn't fit what I wanted. So I'm stuck as a sort-of-happy fedora user, and then all of a sudden two interesting projects pop in out of the blue, aimed at people who want the best of Debian and Gnome.

I've tried both UserLinux and Ubuntu, and so far Ubuntu seems a bit more promising to me. The Gnome 2.8 is darn purdy, and they've done some nice customizations to it also.

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Re:I was talking about this just the other day by FlutterVertigo(gmail · 2004-09-15 13:12 · Score: 2, Funny

Melinda's just using Bill for sex.

Of course she is. She was the Product Manager for Microsoft Bob. Once it failed, she had to find something else to do....
Re:I was talking about this just the other day by pyros · 2004-09-15 19:07 · Score: 2

Mandrake/Fedora: A very nice small business/home distro.

Debian: An ethical distribution. More interested in producing something that is free as in speech. This is not nessecarily a bad thing, but it does limit what I can get with apt.

I've actually found Fedora to be far more devoted to free as in speech than debian. With debian, I can just enable the contrib and/or non-US repos (installation options) and I get all the stuff the is left out of Fedora dues to patent restrictions or licenses which don't allow for redistribution or whatnot. With Fedora, you have to hunt down repositories yourself, or even worse, find the packages and their dependencies manually.

BitTorrent Link by BenFranske · 2004-09-15 10:00 · Score: 2, Interesting

Since the site seems to be down, how about someone who has it putting up a BitTorrent link?

Re:BitTorrent Link by AhabTheArab · 2004-09-15 10:04 · Score: 4, Informative

From the site: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/ warty/preview/warty-i386.iso.torrent
Re:BitTorrent Link by Anonymous Coward · 2004-09-15 10:04 · Score: 4, Informative

amd64
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/wart y-amd64 .iso.torrent
i386
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirro rs/warty/warty-i386. iso.torrent
powerpc
http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mir rors/warty/warty-power pc.iso.torrent
Re:BitTorrent Link by DevilJeff · 2004-09-15 10:05 · Score: 3, Informative

From the site: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/ warty/preview/warty-i386.iso.torrent

Amazing what a little patience can get you, isn't it?
Re:BitTorrent Link by HansF · 2004-09-15 10:08 · Score: 2, Informative

Download mirrors are still doing fine :
Italy
US
UK

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Re:BitTorrent Link by gorre · 2004-09-15 10:09 · Score: 2, Informative

UK Mirror
US Mirror
Italy Mirror

You will find torrents at each of these mirrors. The ones on the US mirror are:
AMD64 torrent
i386 torrent
powerpc torrent

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Ouch, spelling! by kavau · 2004-09-15 10:02 · Score: 4, Informative

Ubuntu is the most shiny Debian-based distrobution ever

This is getting painful. Would someone please teach the slashdot editors how to use a spellchecker? (Don't get me started on grammar...) Maybe I should write a HOWTO...?

Re:Ouch, spelling! by wahgnube · 2004-09-15 10:06 · Score: 2, Funny

Why, what's the problem? You have the real word, distrobution, distri for short.
Ubuntu is the most shiny Debian-based distrobution ever.. hey, I need to beat the rush and download this distri's ISOs.

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Re:Ouch, spelling! by AhabTheArab · 2004-09-15 10:14 · Score: 2, Funny

I should write a HOWTO...?

I'll save you the trouble:

HOWTO: Use spellcheck
1. Click the spellcheck button.
2. Follow onscreen instructions.

Copyright (c) 2004 Ahab.
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License".

The question is ... by timothy · 2004-09-15 10:04 · Score: 3, Funny

Who can type faster:

Bruce Perens? Or Mark Shuttleworth? :)

Interesting contrast; when a new release of Windows comes out, I don't see Bill Gates answering questions from all and sundry in public forums like this. (Of course, I don't follow Windows closely, so maybe I'm wrong on that.)

timothy

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Re:The question is ... by Bruce+Perens · 2004-09-15 10:41 · Score: 2, Funny

If Mark is typing while in orbit, he is obviously going much faster than me :-)

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Out of Business by josefcub · 2004-09-15 10:04 · Score: 4, Funny

You know, if we end up slashdotting their free CD order system and they try to even partially fulfill the free CD offer to us, we might end up putting the distro out of business before they can even go out of preview release mode. ;)

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Since the site is running way slow already by FunkyRat · 2004-09-15 10:04 · Score: 2, Informative

Here's a coralized link:
Ubuntu Linux

Torrents by makohill · 2004-09-15 10:06 · Score: 5, Informative

We've got torrents online. They are here:

Re:Torrents by Em+Adespoton · 2004-09-15 10:27 · Score: 2, Informative

The non-slashdotted torrents are here:
warty-amd64.iso.torrent
warty-i386.iso.torrent
warty-powerpc.iso.torrent

distro:user-ratio restored by Harald+Paulsen · 2004-09-15 10:06 · Score: 5, Funny

It's good to see that the ratio between number of linux-distributions and linux-users are once more restored as the total number of distributions now passed the total number of linux users. :-)

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Re:Out of Nowhere? by psykelus · 2004-09-15 10:12 · Score: 5, Informative

It's not out of nowhere, in fact I think slashdot reported on this project already.

This is Canonical software, far as I can tell, and there has already been discussion about it on the Debian lists -- since Canonical employed a swath of regular Debian developers.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg 01 659.html

Free CD Link by makohill · 2004-09-15 10:14 · Score: 5, Informative

To get those free CDs shipped to you, you can go directly to this link:

http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org

What's "Ubuntu"? by StrawberryFrog · 2004-09-15 10:14 · Score: 5, Informative

In short, "humanity towards others".

Two defintions:
Ubuntu on Wikipedia
And a shameless plug for my writeup on E2

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Note to Slashdot Populace: by IllogicalStudent · 2004-09-15 10:18 · Score: 3, Informative

For a limited time, they're also sending out free disks on request.

Please don't bankrupt these poor chaps -- CDRs may be cheap, but they ain't free; nor is shipping.

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As Long As... by suss · 2004-09-15 10:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

As long as its IRC client doesn't join #Debian on freenode by default, like Knoppix, Kurumin and all those others do or there will be hell to pay.

People can't seem to get it into their heads that #Debian is for Debian and not derivatives and they should ask for support from where they got it.

hmmmm by cswiii · 2004-09-15 10:26 · Score: 5, Funny

Dear Sir,

My name is Ikembe Otobamo. Until recently I was employed by the large software firm Microsoft. During this time, I earned many stock options and sold them at a great profit. During my time at Microsoft, I also began developing a linux distribution called 'Ubuntu'.

When Microsoft discovered I was using Linux, I was quickly dismissed from the firm. Unfortunately, that also meant I had no work authorisation and had to flee the United States.

Meanwhile, I have accumulated over $16 million USD due to stock sales, and I thus need s bank account in the United States to hold this money for safekeeping. If you would be so willing to help me, I offer you 10% of this money and interest incurred. I will also supply you with unlimited copies of my "Ubuntu Linux" distribution for your own perusal. This distribution also contains our specialised "Mozilatobe" browser suite and our "Gnombolo" X11 interface.

Please consider my offer; your assistance will be most appreciated.

Sincerely,
Ikembe Otobamo (Nigeria)

Re:Out of Nowhere? by Pretzalzz · 2004-09-15 10:27 · Score: 3, Informative

Matt Zimmerman, who announced this preview on debian-devel, is a prominent debian developer and member of Debian's Security team, and I understand that other prominent Debian developers are also involved. There have also been other postings relating to Canonical and this distribution on the debian mailing lists over the last couple of months so it is not exactly out of the blue.

Re:So what's their angle? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-09-15 10:28 · Score: 4, Informative

I've been testing for a while, here's the skinny:

* Even sleeker installer than Sarge. Still curses, but it doesn't ask you nearly as many questions, and sarge doesn't ask that many to begin with

* Project Utopia out of the box

* GNOME 2.8

* A good percentages of packages available that are available in sid.

* Time based releases every 6 months coinciding with GNOME releases.

* Check the list, it's a who's who of debian and gnome guys working together on a desktop distro.

* Matching live CD (Not this release though)

knoppix by zogger · 2004-09-15 10:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

knoppix is debian and it's one cd. There ya go! I think they will be around for a spell, too.....

Re:Rare by rincebrain · 2004-09-15 10:41 · Score: 2, Insightful

Your lawyer is either more intelligent than the GNU foundation, or didn't read the GPL FAQ.
[quote]
Can I use GPL-covered editors such as GNU Emacs to develop non-free programs? Can I use GPL-covered tools such as GCC to compile them?
Yes, because the copyright on the editors and tools does not cover the code you write. Using them does not place any restrictions, legally, on the license you use for your code.

Some programs copy parts of themselves into the output for technical reasons--for example, Bison copies a standard parser program into its output file. In such cases, the copied text in the output is covered by the same license that covers it in the source code. Meanwhile, the part of the output which is derived from the program's input inherits the copyright status of the input.

As it happens, Bison can also be used to develop non-free programs. This is because we decided to explicitly permit the use of the Bison standard parser program in Bison output files without restriction. We made the decision because there were other tools comparable to Bison which already permitted use for non-free programs.
[end quote]

[source: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html]
I'm not going to argue about your modifications to the kernel; I don't know enough about kernel code to competently do that. I can argue that you can use GCC to compile things and not release the source. That's just a blatant piece of FUD, unless I'm mistaken.

HTH.

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x.org by sewagemaster · 2004-09-15 10:52 · Score: 2, Interesting

would anyone know if it contains x.org packages? it would be nice to try for us to try out on a debian/debian-based distro without the need of compiling anything or risking breaking the system :)

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Re:x.org by makohill · 2004-09-15 11:34 · Score: 4, Informative

It's XFree86 at the moment but the packages will be going into our development branch as soon as it opens. :)

We have that already by DrSkwid · 2004-09-15 10:59 · Score: 2, Informative

Lets have the BEST of everything in one core repository.

like This one?

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Re:We have that already by Flower · 2004-09-15 11:21 · Score: 2, Funny

You most certainly must mean this one?

You're such a kidder :)

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Debian perfect for this... by Chuck+Bucket · 2004-09-15 11:01 · Score: 2, Interesting

with debian's background it's the perfect linux distro to support things like this. Just use anaconda (open from red hat) for the installer, then apt for updates, have it point to a mirror for the new distro to support newer (yes, less stable) apps for install, and you'll have a great OS, with the structure of Debian, but w/o the upkeep (which I happen to like, but I digress...)

THis lin-distro has 'wow' factor in my book.

CB()^&*$&^)!

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Old debian-devel announcement by Mr.Ned · 2004-09-15 11:50 · Score: 2, Informative

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg01 659.html

From a few months back, talks about what and why.

Re:Why is this necessary? by makohill · 2004-09-15 11:59 · Score: 5, Interesting

I think you're oversimplifying each of the projects out there. I know from my work with Debian that Debian itself means a lot to many people. Debian has a lot of things people like -- tons of packages and a great package management system for example -- but that's not enough for everyone (or even anyone).

For many, Ubuntu may be little more than Debian with frequent time-based releases and a more polished desktop -- which alone is a benefit over other distros and even windows

For others, it will be the emphasis on translation and internationalization that seals the deal.

Since many of the developers on Ubuntu are Debian developers, we're going to start by making a distro that has all of the things we like about Debian and puts them in a easier, more managable package that fixes some of the most frequently heard problems and annoyances with Debian that are tough to fix within Debian for a variety of reasons.

Finally linux taken seriously by jaysones · 2004-09-15 12:05 · Score: 4, Funny

I bet this is the release that will push linux on the desktop to the forefront. I can hear the CEO of a fortune 500 company saying in a financial conference call, "we're going with the proven stability of Warty Warthog from no-name-yet.com."
Seriously, what's with these names?

Why you should care by steveha · 2004-09-15 12:52 · Score: 5, Informative

Who cares about Yet Another Distro? What's different about this one?

It's Debian, in a friendly wrapper, free and for free.

You can get Debian in a friendly wrapper by buying Xandros, or Linspire. They include nonfree software, and Linspire hooks you in to a software distribution scheme that costs a minimum of $50 per year.

You can get Debian free if you are a Linux expert. Get a Debian installer and have fun. However, Debian has 10,000 packages, and you need to know enough to pick and choose which ones you want. Ubuntu has 1,000 packages, and they have made default choices for you. (Want something Ubuntu doesn't offer? Grab it from the main Debian distribution; it will work.)

Also, Debian comes in three major branches: stable, unstable, and testing. Stable is really stable, but only updates every two years or so. Unstable updates daily but can be unstable. Testing updates automatically from unstable when the packages appear stable (a week goes by without major bugs posted against the unstable package, IIRC). Ubuntu on the other hand is promising a six-month release cycle; if you use Ubuntu, you should have a nice stable system, but you will get new packages much more often than if you use Debian Stable.

Ubuntu will occupy a similar niche to Fedora, but Red Hat makes all the decisions for Fedora while Ubuntu will have a community process.

The closest distro to Ubuntu is probably Bruce Perens's UserLinux project. But UserLinux is focused squarely upon business, whilst Ubuntu seems to be more focused on individual users.

Ubuntu should preserve all the things I like best about Debian, while being more friendly to newbies and offering a much fresher stable release. There isn't another distro quite like it.

I'm downloading it now and I look forward to trying it out.

steveha

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Re:Why you should care by Jungle+guy · 2004-09-16 01:09 · Score: 2, Insightful

It looks to me that Debian is cracking under it's own weight. Computer programs escalate, but to manage hundreds of developers that are not receiving a paycheck, you have to be a political master. Debian seems to have too many packages, too many developers, and the political infighting seems to be dragging the release date of stable versions beyond acceptable.
The creation of Debian-based distributions like User Linux and Ubantu, in my opinion, are sincere efforts made by people 100% committed do Debian, that are trying to help it. They are basically saying: "Hey, we can have a Debian stalbe release with a 2.6 kernel and 2.6 Gnome now! We don't have to wait any longer!"
In my opinion, that might make Debian work. A normal user can assume that current free software under Debian will always be under unstable, that stable means "outdated" and that developers use the "pure" Debian unstable. If you don't want to mess with it, go get a meta-distribution, like Progeny, Linspire, User Linux or Ubantu.

Well said. by bogie · 2004-09-15 14:43 · Score: 2, Interesting

Mucking around with your distro and editting config files isn't all its cracked up to be once you've been doing it for a while. I have to constantly hear this "but Gentoo lets you get into the nuts and bolts of the OS" B.S. I'm getting old, I have better things to do then tweak or screw around with my OS. Training to be an admin? Fine monkey around guilt free while your still learning. Want to use your OS for actually doing anything? Join the rest of the world.

Think in 20 years anyone will still be obsessed with the commandline and knowing every detail about their OS? God I hope not.

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Scottie : But captain I'm still busy customizing my USE flags!

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In other news... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-09-15 15:05 · Score: 2, Funny

I'll be releasing my own Debian Based "Distrobution" - Called YADBD (pronounced yabbadabba)

Yet another debian based distribution.

It's going to include all the latest stuff ala gentoo with the ease of installation ala Knoppix, and the ease of administration ala Debian itself.

W00t!

Ubuntu by Lalo+Martins · 2004-09-15 15:23 · Score: 2, Informative

btw, it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubuntu Linux" or "Ubuntu GNU/Linux". Just "Ubuntu". Yes, the website is "ubuntulinux", but please ignore that ;-)

The official announcement: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2 004-September/000000.html

Re:From the site: by voyager42 · 2004-09-15 18:40 · Score: 2, Informative

That was my reaction too, at first. I was very relieved that they do specify elsewhere that it is a Zulu word http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestio ns/

Together with Impi, this makes two linux distros with Zulu names - impressive. Does anyone know whether South Africans are involved with Ubuntu?

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Re:From the site: by Scott+James+Remnant · 2004-09-15 20:19 · Score: 2, Informative

Mark Shuttleworth is South African.

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