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An anonymous reader writes "The new edition of Linux Journal has a special insert: The GLAT (Google Labs Aptitude Test) is a Google recruiting quiz presented as a spoof of standardised aptitude tests. It is filled with math and Google-related trivia."

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  1. High quality blogger. by nmoog · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It seems Google Labs is trying to attract some high quality people into their ranks. If only I was a software guy, I'd apply..."

    Nice modesty there Michael!
  2. google cache by kjamez · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:google cache by ikkonoishi · · Score: 3, Informative
  3. Can't Find It by christopherfinke · · Score: 5, Informative

    The original link is dead, the Coral cache is unresponsive, and Google apparently has no cache of it. However, I was able to find this page, which has a little more abot the test.

  4. hmmm by blool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it sounds like because of bulk they arent reading the normal applications

  5. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mirror, the site is already down. http://66.90.101.31/~whateve/mirror/

  6. I would... by snig64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    reply, but cruftbox.com has been /. already. :S I do hate standard aptitude tests, they are usually unrealistic and have nothing to do with what you have actually learned. Take the National Registry EMT tests, they are so "wordy" that you could pick any answer and be right in your head, but because of the one word, the answer is wrong. Anyone can tell you how to do the procedure, but picking the right answer from two right answers is a hard thing to do!

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    1. Re:I would... by nmoog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess you didnt see the test, due to the slashdottin', but the google test is a lot more fun and includes a lot of subjective questions. (Like, how many colours would you need to fill a fuck-knows-a-hedron, and what colours would you choose?)

      They are testing your apptitude but also your character - your creativity, flair, and sense of humour.

  7. It's in the Mensa Bulletin too. by Stile+65 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been putting puzzles on the inside front cover of the Mensa Bulletin for at least the past few months (I just joined). This month, the GLAT was stapled to the inside instead of the inside cover puzzles I'd been seeing.

    It actually has some neat questions. Lots of fun!

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    1. Re:It's in the Mensa Bulletin too. by Stile+65 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better yet, Asia Carrera is a member.

      Roar.

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    2. Re:It's in the Mensa Bulletin too. by cft_128 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's off-topic, etc., but I'm curious if anyone can answer this without using subjective, ambigious words such as "fair" or "just," because it seems that the general "explanation" for paying taxes as a percentage of income is, "Well, that's only fair." Which explains nothing.

      I'm not expert (never stopped me from posting before) and someone else can probalbly put the better, but IMO the short answer is that it is better for society as a whole. For example if we do not have an education system that every can use then society loses (yes, we have a poor education system, but it is still leaps and bounds better than say Sudan's). Poor people cannot pay for all of it on their own. Same with crime fighting. If people cannot get educated, they have a much harder time making a living wage, if they cannot make a living wage, crime can rise.

      Public health, crime fighting, firefighting and the military are also other areas that benefit the whole society.

      I ran across this idea recently (well actually a long time ago but have not really thought about it much) and am still turning it over in my head, here is the basic argument: the rich get more from the government. Where are all the good public schools? In the good neighborhoods. Who got the most money from the S&L bailouts? Who is more likely to get a robbery investigated, a person living in an aparment or a mansion? The poeple with larger deposits. Corporations also get quite a bit of money in subsidies from the government too, and poor people are not in the habit of running those. Related to this, rich people also control more of the government (how many poor people have a really good lobbyist, or the last senator that was living in a studio aparment and drove a 1986 tercel).

      Poor people do get benefit from government. In 1995 (these are what I had on hand) they gave about $116 billion to the poor (medicaid, AFDC, Food stamps, housing subsidies, school lunch, head start, etc). That is only about 8% of the whole budget. 8% is also what was spent on corporate subsidies (farm subsidies, S&L and bank rescues, export/import assistance, tax credits, reimbursement for advertising, etc.)

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  8. Admit it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This was just an excuse to say you're in Mensa.

    1. Re:Admit it by Stile+65 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course! I've always wanted a bunch of people I don't know to look at their screens and say "Wow, that guy's in Mensa." Who knows, maybe I can score a girlfriend off Slashdot!

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    2. Re:Admit it by daft_one · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, you do seem to realize you can't score a girlfriend ON slashdot... Maybe you really are in Mensa!

    3. Re:Admit it by ajna · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For those wishing to find organizations more stringent in their requirements than Mensa (pages all from :

      TOPS (99th percentile, which apparently equates to a 1360 on the SAT, which is surprisingly low)
      One in a thousand society (99.9th, ~1520 on the SAT), all the way to the Giga society which demands with a straight face an IQ of 196 or higher to join.

      Ok, I'm tired of providing links. Look a few pagefuls down on this page http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/hoeflin.html and you'll see that such societies are both in abundance and have widely varying selection criteria. I qualify for most - but certainly not all! - of those societies purely on academic test scores (haven't been IQ tested since I was a youth) but don't see the point of them and don't feel like going through the trouble of specialized "entrance exams". I can stroke my ego myself, thank you very much, and defining any of my life strictly on "how smart I am" vs. "what I have accomplished" or "what am I in the process of accomplishing" would be counterproductive imo.

    4. Re:Admit it by tsm_sf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, if you really need to feel good about yourself why not try volunteering in your community. Opportunities are not limited to feeding scabby victims of Reagan.

      If you need to feel superior to your fellow man, just turn on the TV for a bit. I'd recommend 10 minutes of "ElimiDate".

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  9. Been doing this in Mensa mags for a while. by Leviathant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My wife's in Mensa, and one of the best things about that are the Google ads that generally take up the inside front page or two. It's a nice brain tease, and while I'm pretty sure I had a few of them figured out, I never sent them in because I like how Google hires PhDs, and I'd worry about being in over my head. I was disappointed when I didn't see any ad in the first page of this past month's Mensa mag, but overjoyed when I found the GLAT. Then I was a little intimidated. Still, I might sit and work it out one of these days, when I come up with the time for it. (As opposed to, say, killing time posting on Slashdot.)

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  10. GLAT - sample questions by hajmola · · Score: 5, Informative
    Google Labs Aptitude Test:

    Solve this cryptic equation, realizing of course that values for M and E could be interchanged. No leading zeroes are allowed.
    WWWDOT - GOOGLE = DOTCOM

    Write a haiku describing possible methods for predicting search traffic seasonality.

    What's the next line?
    1
    1 1
    2 1
    1 2 1 1
    1 1 1 2 2 1

    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. There is a dusty laptop here with a weak wireless connection. There are dull, lifeless gnomes strolling about. What dost thou do?
    A) Wander aimlessly, bumping into obstacles until you are eaten by a grue.
    B) Use the laptop as a digging device to tunnel to the next level.
    C) Play MPoRPG until the battery dies along with your hopes.
    D) Use the computer to map the nodes of the maze and discover an exit path.
    E) Email your resume to Google, tell the lead gnome you quit and find yourself in a whole different world

    What's broken with Unix? How would you fix it?

    On your first day at Google, you discover that your cubicle mate wrote the textbook you used as a primary resource in your first year of graduate school. Do you:
    A) Fawn obsequiously and ask if you can have an autograph.
    B) Sit perfectly still and use only soft keystrokes to avoid disturbing her concentration
    C) Leave her daily offerings of granola and English toffee from the food bins.
    D) Quote your favorite formula from the textbook and explain how it's now your mantra.
    E) Show her how example 17b could have been solved with 34 fewer lines of code.

    Which of the following expresses Google's over-arching philosophy?
    A) "I'm feeling lucky"
    B) "Don't be evil"
    C) "Oh, I already fixed that"
    D) "You should never be more than 50 feet from food"
    E) All of the above

    How many different ways can you color an icosahedron with one of three colors on each face?

    What colors would you choose?

    This space is intentionally blank. Please fill it with something that improves upon emptiness.

    On an infinite, two-dimensional, rectangular lattice of 1-ohm resistors, what is the resistance between two nodes that are a knight's move away?

    It's 2pm on a sunny Sunday afternoon in the Bay Area. You're minutes from the Pacific Ocean, redwood forest hiking trails and world class cultural attractions. What do you do?

    In your opinion, what is the most beautiful math equation ever derived?

    Which of the following is NOT an actual interest group formed by Google employees?
    A) Women's basketball
    B) Buffy fans
    C) Cricketeers
    D) Nobel winners
    E) Wine club

    What will be the next great improvement in search technology?

    What is the optimal size of a project team, above which additional members do not contribute productivity equivalent to the percentage increase in the staff size? A) 1 B) 3 C) 5 D) 11 E) 24

    Given a triangle ABC, how would you use only a compass and straight edge to find a point P such that triangles ABP, ACP, and BCP have equal perimeters? (Assume that ABC is constructed so that a solution does exist.)

    Consider a function which, for a given whole number n, returns the number of ones required when writing out all numbers between 0 and n. For example, f(13) = 6. Notice that f(1) = 1. What is the next largest n such that f(n) = n?

    What's the coolest hack you've ever written?

    'Tis known in refined company, that choosing K things out of N can be done in ways as many as choosing N minus K from N: I pick K, you the remaining. Find though a cooler bijection, where you show a knack uncanny, of making your choises contain all K of mine. Oh, for pedantry: let K be no more than half N.

    What number comes next in the sequence: 10, 9, 60, 90, 70, 66, ?
    A) 96
    B) 10 to the 100th power
    C) Either of the above
    D) None of the above

    In 29 words or fewer, describe what you would strive to accomplish if you worked at Google Labs.

    1. Re:GLAT - sample questions by bitingduck · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same one showed up in Physics Toady this month, too.

    2. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 5, Funny
      On your first day at Google, you discover that your cubicle mate wrote the textbook you used as a primary resource in your first year of graduate school. Do you:

      F: Wonder why you have a PhD and you're still sharing a cubicle like a code monkey.

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    3. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 5, Funny
      In 29 words or fewer, describe what you would strive to accomplish if you worked at Google Labs.
      "Need laid. Prefer geek but chic chick who doesn't mind Searching and doesn't oppose Groups. Tight on cash, she must be Froogle. I want to create porn.google.com."
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    4. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In 29 words or fewer, describe what you would strive to accomplish if you worked at Google Labs.

      Profit

    5. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Meneudo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heh... this one reminds me of something from KOTOR...
      1
      1 1
      2 1
      1 2 1 1
      1 1 1 2 2 1

      one
      one one
      two ones
      one two, one one
      one one, one two, two ones
      three ones, two twos, one one
      312211

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    6. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      On your first day at Google, you discover that your cubicle mate wrote the textbook you used as a primary resource in your first year of graduate school. Do you:

      F: Wonder why you have a PhD and you're still sharing a cubicle like a code monkey.
      Wonder why your cubicle mate gets to be the one on the ground
    7. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Negative+Response · · Score: 2, Informative

      199981

    8. Re:GLAT - sample questions by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I typed out a few more lines and immedaitely noticed the following:

      1) you can obviously never have a digit over 3
      2) if you right-justify the numbers you immediately see many 2d structures, as well as periodicity to each column, but the way the pattern changes from one col to the next is not obvious
      3) if you sum each row, or look at the differences in sums between rows, there are even more patterns... is there a fibonacci sequence buried in there? will have to spend some more time on this one. :)

    9. Re:GLAT - sample questions by chickenwing · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Whenever I hear about Google recruiting, it kind of depresses me. Reminds me of something Jamie Zawinski said:
      you can divide our industry into two kinds of people: those who want to go work for a company to make it successful, and those who want to go work for a successful company. Netscape's early success and rapid growth caused us to stop getting the former and start getting the latter.
    10. Re:GLAT - sample questions by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very interesting things happen if you try it in binary, i.e. 111100 -> 1001100

      I'd post the results but I haven't the patience to circumvent the lameness filters.

    11. Re:GLAT - sample questions by the_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      for f(1):

      0, 1

      the number 1 is written once.

      for f(13):

      0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13

      there are 6 ones: 1 from each of 1, 10, 12, 13, and two from 11, for a total of 6.

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    12. Re:GLAT - sample questions by servognome · · Score: 5, Funny

      Write a haiku describing possible methods for predicting search traffic seasonality.
      Ice Cream in Summer
      Football in fall and winter
      Porn for all seasons

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    13. Re:GLAT - sample questions by nmoog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Q. What's broken with Unix?
      A. Their penis.

    14. Re:GLAT - sample questions by K-Man · · Score: 4, Funny
      One of the draft questions that didn't make it to publication:

      Q: How many perfect 10's will you find at a Google party?

      A: One, followed by a hundred zeroes.

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    15. Re:GLAT - sample questions by mshurpik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whenever I hear about Google recruiting, it depresses me because Google doesn't seem to understand that Geek Chic is over.

      I say you can divide this industry into two kinds of people: those who want to hold down a job and have a life, and those who want their job to BE their life. Google is looking for the latter.

    16. Re:GLAT - sample questions by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. There is a dusty laptop here with a weak wireless connection. There are dull, lifeless gnomes strolling about. What dost thou do?

      Schedule a meeting about process improvement and try to horseshit my way into a middle management position so I can wedge my fat ass into a molded chair and order from the salad bar.

      Which of the following expresses Google's over-arching philosophy?

      Make people jump through hoops to get a temp job.

      How many different ways can you color an icosahedron with one of three colors on each face?

      This has anything at all to do with being qualified for a job?

      What colors would you choose?

      Gray, to match the cubicle.

      On an infinite, two-dimensional, rectangular lattice of 1-ohm resistors, what is the resistance between two nodes that are a knight's move away?

      Lab rat.

      It's 2pm on a sunny Sunday afternoon in the Bay Area. You're minutes from the Pacific Ocean, redwood forest hiking trails and world class cultural attractions. What do you do?

      Go back to the want ads so I can find a job where I don't have to be tormented by obscure questions before the food runs out.

      In your opinion, what is the most beautiful math equation ever derived?

      Paycheck - expenses = savings

      What will be the next great improvement in search technology?

      Finding a job.

      What is the optimal size of a project team, above which additional members do not contribute productivity equivalent to the percentage increase in the staff size? A) 1 B) 3 C) 5 D) 11 E) 24

      According to middle management, whatever increases the budget.

      In 29 words or fewer, describe what you would strive to accomplish if you worked at Google Labs.

      Nothing, because the moment anyone "strives" for anything other than the donut list in the modern workplace, they get fired.

      Glad to see companies are slowly making the process of building a career a game show.

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    17. Re:GLAT - sample questions by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sharing an office/cubicle (well, assuming the thing is large enough) with someone working on the same project is great. It lets you bounce ideas off the other person and visa versa.

    18. Re:GLAT - sample questions by DegreeOfFreedom · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is called the Look and Say Sequence. John H. Conway, creator of the Game of Life (the cellular automaton, not the board game), has studied this sequence extensively, including the sequences resulting from starting with digits besides 1.

    19. Re:GLAT - sample questions by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Informative

      See the list box next to the preview button? Change it to code.

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    20. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Basje · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry to hear that you're stuck in a job you don't like. OTOH, if it were possible to have a job you actually liked, with co-workers you can relate to, you probably wouldn't that be that cynical. And if you were less cynical you might just find that.

      Most geeks are ridiculed by people who cannot understand our way of thinking. It would be a nice change to be in an environment where that was not so. Google understands that. They created an environment where geeks thrive. Now they are expanding, and are attempting to keep that environment functional. It's their basis of success.

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    21. Re:GLAT - sample questions by amorsen · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't take long to realize that the resistance must be above 0 (since just getting one move away from the initial node costs you at least 1/4 Ohm). An upper bound consists of the two paths of length 3 Ohm, for a 3/2 Ohm total.

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    22. Re:GLAT - sample questions by Finuvir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is "Physics Toady" a magazine for scientifically minded sycophants?

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  11. Physics Today has it too. by ajdecon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The September issue of Physics Today also had a GLAT insert. I guess Google's trying for all sorts of backgrounds...

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  12. What makes a good Google employee.. by hyu · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It is filled with math and Google-related trivia." So, really, you are being tested on how well you can use Google to find the answers. Brilliant!

  13. orwellian by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    That line is now gone. michael has now rectified history. That line does not exist; it had never existed...

  14. Re:DUPE! ? by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've got karma to burn.

    As another reply to your comment pointed out, you're and idiot and should not have been moderated up. In fact, you score dropped from the time I saw your comment to clicking reply (not long).

    So let's clear it. What you pointed out was a billboard with a question on it to recruit for google.

    The GLAT was a little "book" that was a 4 sides of paper (not standard size, smaller). It looked like a school aptitude test in almost every way. It had all sorts of interesting questions in it like "The space below was intentionally left blank. Please improve upon this." and "In an infinate two-dimentional lattice of 1 ohm resistors, what is the resistance between any two points a knight's move away?" and other such things. It's full of that kind of stuff and more.

    So in conclusion, this is not a dupe. Why not try LOOKING at things (or even reading the submission) before trying to get karma by yelling DUPE.

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  15. Don't Worry by superpulpsicle · · Score: 5, Funny

    The site might have been slashdotted, but I got the Google Labs Aptitude Test multiple choice section right here.

    Q: What is the supreme search engine on the planet?
    a.) google.com
    b.) aol keyword google

    Q: What is 8^7 x 32^2 / $ -2352.8a + x + y + $
    a.) google = moneyopoly
    b.) google = infinite $$

    Q: Did you go to standford?
    a.) yes
    b.) pick this and fail

  16. I DO! by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's really, really hard to take a billboard to the bathroom!

    What do I win?

  17. Re:Is anyone else... by boomgopher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, one person I used to work with who was hired by Google was nothing special in the slightest, and was slated to be fired by my company in a layoff (due to lack of tech skills, that is).


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  18. but what if I work in sales? by cdtoad · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would the test be ineptitude test with math questions like "If Bill says he's interested, what time is tee time?" and "If Dale is the IT director at a company who's stock is valued under $1, how many drinks do you need to feed Dale before he signs." Bonus question... "How many drinks do you need to feed Dale before he tells you his company isn't going to buy?" Super bonus questions "How many drinks do you need to feed Dale before he says that he's looking for employment else where?"

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  19. Google is evil. by Greg@RageNet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google only hires PHD's; The difference between PHD and PHB is only two bits.

    -- Greg

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    1. Re:Google is evil. by wass · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The difference between PHD and PHB is only two bits.

      Wrong, the proper capitalization is PhD, meaning lowercased 'h'. Assuming ASCII, the 'h' goes from 0x38 for 'H' to 0x58 for the properly cased 'h'. So the difference between PhD and PHB is really 0x22.

      Thereby proving that there actually is something more than just a shave and a haircut between the PHB and PhD.

      And yes, this is probably the dorkiest slashdot post I've ever written.

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  20. Google question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the test:

    "Orkut" is:
    A. Turkish for slow
    B. Turkish for painfully slow
    C. Turkish for unusable
    C. Turkish for "written in painfully slow and unusable ASP.NET"

  21. Jumping through hoops by slyckshoes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly, I was happy when I got a job after college where I could do real work (design/architect & implement) and quit jumping through stupid hoops to prove how smart I was. I've answered my fair share of brain teasers, pattern recognition, cute/stupid questions. This is crap that pisses me off. I'm sure google wants smart people, but they're going to overlook all the people who just get shit done when it needs to be done (and do it well) because they're going for the people who are creative. I'll take someone slightly less smarter with a good work ethic who realizes that work is more than just answering stupid riddles.

    And yes, I may be slightly jealous that I don't work at Google, but honestly this type of thing really turns me off. I guess I'm not what they're looking for then.

    1. Re:Jumping through hoops by fzammett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You may not be right for Google, but you sound right for the business world.

      You'd be surprised home many of the recently hired at my office are of the Ph.D variety. You'd also be surprised that the vast majority of the projects they are in charge of are failing miserably because they can't simply get things done. Oh, they can draw some kick-ass UML diagrams, and they can use all the latest buzzwords with the utmost proficiency...

      Then there are a couple of us that have been around for 10 years or more with the company. We are the ones that frankly get it done in crunch time. We are the ones that have never been part of a failed project because we busted our asses when it came to it (but just generally worked smart throughout the process so it rarely came to that anyway).

      Sure, I'm bragging a bit here, but it happens to be true. Theory has to meet experience and proven ability, it can't exist in a vacumn. It's nice to hire MENSA members who can rotate geometric shapes in five dimensions in their head and choose the correct figure, but give me the guy who can read through online docs efficiently and can pound out the code when it counts and I don't care if he has a Ph.D or flunked out of high school.

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    2. Re:Jumping through hoops by dead+sun · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've answered my fair share of brain teasers, pattern recognition, cute/stupid questions. This is crap that pisses me off. I'm sure google wants smart people, but they're going to overlook all the people who just get shit done when it needs to be done (and do it well) because they're going for the people who are creative.

      No slight intended, but methinks that maybe you're missing the point of these cute, stupid little brain teaser questions. It's certainly one thing to sit down and slam out something that you either know how to create or can come up with a way to create it relatively easily. It is another thing entirely to solve or approximate a solution to a fundamentally difficult problem and then implement it.

      To put it in vulgar terms, Google likely doesn't need people to just get shit done, they need creative solutions to problems that don't have a straight forward answer. Do you honestly think figuring out how to retrieve highly relevant web pages from the whole net based on one or two silly little keywords, in fractions of a second no less, is something you just sit down and program? Do you even think it's something you can beat the current top players at by simply engineering it with current methods? No, it's far more akin to those little problems you hate so much. Sure, there's naive solutions that give a lackluster result, but to do it well it's all a game of tradeoffs, new and novel approaches, application of known approaches or extensions of known approaches in the right instances, a dash of brute force, and who knows what else. If it was straight forward and something just solved by getting shit done then Google and its staff of many PhDs would likely be vanishing due to the costs of keeping all those PhDs around opposed to another company running slimmer and just doing it. Instead they're number one in the search engine world because of their pioneering efforts.

      The people who enjoy and excel at those questions, seemingly silly on the surface but generally with deeper implications, are the type that are typically good at doing the sort of research that needs to be done to solve the tricky steps.

      Again, none of this is meant as a slight and there really is need for people who are good at architecting and implementing solutions with good work ethics. Many applications are at a point where the technical challenges lie in integration of known solutions and those certainly still need good, hard working architects. On the other hand there's still a definate need for people who like toying with silly questions because that generally translates into enjoying playing with the nuances of more research oriented stuff, simply because they're so often similar. Frankly, if you dislike those stupid little problems then you may well dislike the research experience of bashing your head into brick wall after brick wall trying to come up with a novel solution to a problem which has no real feasible solutions at the moment.

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    3. Re:Jumping through hoops by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Put a bit more positively -- the grandparent poster might dick around with interesting problems less at work. But dicking around with ideas (well, as long as they're in the field you're researching) *is* relevant and valid as an activity in research. It's incredibly annoying if you're doing software development to have an employee doing this. If you want a FTP server written, you really don't want your employees trying to see whether they can optimize file copies in a database. At a CS research lab like Google Labs, that might be fantastic if it turns out that that ends up being something that they can use.

      I'd say that a majority of good/interesting ideas get built up and fleshed out when grad students and researchers at labs/universities just start bouncing ideas around, even if they aren't part of their current project.

      If you like CS research, you're likely to go to a conference and come back with a bunch of problems to bouncing around in your head, problems that you didn't immediately drop because they aren't directly applicable to what you're working on.

      If you don't like stubbornly working on a problem that doesn't have any immediate application (and a hell of a lot of research doesn't have immediate application), you just might not like research, you know? I mean, I doubt that most research in mathematics could be considered applied. But research in math has given us a lot of tools -- but these tools are often built years after researchers went through solving problems.

    4. Re:Jumping through hoops by cubicledrone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd also be surprised that the vast majority of the projects they are in charge of are failing miserably because they can't simply get things done.

      They got a PhD done.

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  22. Or even off /. by Jurisenpai · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, especially if your boyfriend won't get off slashdot in the first place!

    Me: Honey, come to bed.
    Him: Just one more SCO article to read through, I promise!
    Me: ...

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    1. Re:Or even off /. by ChiPHeaD23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So cut out the suspense, who did she dump you for?

  23. Re:Is anyone else... by sglane81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being "smart" (i.e. being able to solve puzzles and grok math equations) is only a single, quite narrow aspect of "intelligence".

    Intelligence measures two abilities: learning and reasoning. Being smart is the application of intelligence.

    We all know the guy who's ultra-bright at science or math, but bloody useless in the "real world" or (gasp) interpersonal relationships.

    People's motivations differ. That person who is ultra-bright may not see applying that logic as something to persue. The benefit of diversity is this: there will always be someone who can take that logic and apply it to something to make it useful to other people who don't care how it works.

    What most people see as the goal of life is getting laid and having children (most of the time subconsciously) thus propogating the species. The basic law of nature (and man) is to survive by any means necessary. Most people make their attempt at immortality via offspring, some through presence (actors), others through published works/name recognition. There are also a number of people who create a fictitious being and place where they will live out eternity in bliss (religion).

    Since it is illegal to test people's intelligence in the U.S. for a job, google is going to where the smart people are. I see nothing wrong with that. Reading a person on paper (that they wrote) is not a very accurate means for judging a person's intellect or skills. Testing their abilities just to get to the application is a smart thing to do.

    None of this is about elitism. Some people do feel superior to others and are truly elitists, but it is generally the other people who feel inferior and have to tear the "elite" down by any means available.

    None of this is an attack on you, so don't take it that way.

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  24. "test" breaches Australian law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was quite stunned to see the form in my magazine.

    The job screening exam clearly breaches Australia's anti-discriminiation laws (simplifying somewhat, Google is asking some questions unrelated to my potential performance as an employee, therefore the questions must be for some discriminatory purpose). I'd be surprised if the same were not true of the US.

    What this screening exam did for me was to confirm Google's corporate stupidity.

    Google is now first on the list of places I'd never want to work -- what concern is it of their's what I do with my spare time.

    I've no idea what Linux Journal thought they were doing by accepting the insert.

    1. Re:"test" breaches Australian law by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The job screening exam clearly breaches Australia's anti-discriminiation laws (simplifying somewhat, Google is asking some questions unrelated to my potential performance as an employee, therefore the questions must be for some discriminatory purpose). I'd be surprised if the same were not true of the US.

      What this screening exam did for me was to confirm Google's corporate stupidity.


      And so now, a potential employer is aware that you're the sort of person that likes pulling out obscure rules to be an asshole rather than appreciating humor. The sort of person that files lawsuits and makes everyone else miserable due to all the stupid policy in place to avoid liability.

      Google is now first on the list of places I'd never want to work -- what concern is it of their's what I do with my spare time.

      Then the screening mechanism has worked well. It's a good bet that the Google people don't want to work with you either. Heck, I wouldn't want to work with you.

      I hate anti-discrimination laws. I'm all for employers discriminating if they want to. If they make stupid policy, it's a pretty good bet that they'll go under -- you don't like hiring women? Fine. You've just cut your potential employee base in half. Have fun trying to outdo your competitor, who hasn't placed that restriction on himself. I disagree with the Libertarians about a lot of things, but I do think that the Invisible Hand does a pretty good job of solving problems relating to employers doing self-damaging things.

  25. Re:Is anyone else... by IvyMike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since it is illegal to test people's intelligence in the U.S. for a job

    Reference, please? I don't think that's true (unless it's relatively recent). For example, seven years ago IBM was still giving aptitude tests as a part of the interview process for new hires.

  26. Re:Resistor lattice? by Snoochie+Bootchie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think you're drawing the diagram of the problem correctly. You're finding the resistance between two points defined by the knight's move ("two squares straight and one square to the side" http://chess.about.com/library/ble132kn.htm). As a result, the resistance is definately not infinite.

    Each square of the infinite chess board has a resistor. Therefore, the squares involved in te knight's move look like this:

    --+--R--+--R--+--R--+--B
    | | | |
    R R R R
    | | | |
    A--+--R--+--R--+--R--+--
    Y
    Where each R is 1 Ohm. You're finding the resistance between the points A and B. We want to find the resistance between points A and B. Let's look at a simplification and find the resistance between points B and Y. You have two Rs in series and then each of these pairs are in parallel: 1/(1/(R+R) + 1/(R+R)) = 1/(1/2 + 1/2) = 1.

    Care to guess what the resistance between A and B is?

  27. Here are the images... by Argyle · · Score: 4, Informative

    You guys killed my site, but I've put them up on another domain I have.

    Please mirror the images. Thanks.

    GLAT Images

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  28. My Google recruiting experience.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently interviewed at Google and got an offer, but didn't go. I think they sort of dropped the ball.

    At the risk of sounding arrogant (and, there's no way I'd post this if I weren't doing so anonymously), I was a very qualified candidate. I solved all their puzzles and made an incredibly positive impression on everyone there I visited. Simiarly, Google made a very positive impression on me. It's been my dream to work for them for many years and I finally had the opportunity!

    Then, things sort of turned a little bit worse. I was also being courted by a Very Large Software Company. VLSC also made me an offer. It was better, but the money wasn't the issue. Every few days, someone from VLSC would call me to tell me how important it was that I go to work for them. How excited they were about me and extolling the virtues of VLSC.

    First my future boss called. His boss called. HIS boss called. And *that* guy's boss called! At this point it was someone very high up in the company. All of them had the same message: we really want you to come here. They started sending little gifts to my house.

    Meanwhile, I heard nothing from Google. Their recruiter called me occasionally but never replied to my emails or indicated having read them on phone calls. I asked if it would be possible to speak to anyone else in Google who I might speak with about the type of work I'd be doing or the people I'd be working with. No one ever contacted me. Now, they were getting ready for their IPO so I suppose they had better things to think about, but the overwhelming impression I got was "Your loss if you don't work here. Whatever, come if you want." Meanwhile, VLSC made it clear it would be *their* loss if I didn't work there and that they'd do everything they could to make it the best place ever to work.

    It was incredibly painful to have to give up my dream of working for Google. But ultimately, VLSC convinced me that they were more excited about the work I could do and that I'd have a better opportunity there to do it.

    I really wanted to want Google. They made it very hard.

    I hope someone from Google reads this and maybe can pass this on to HR folks. It's not something I feel comfortable attaching my name to.

  29. Re:Don't forget the foot soldier by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You mean Yahoo?

    Yahoo has a totally, completely different approach to their systems. I mean totally different.

    Google is about churning out new ideas that are good enough that they can produce value that nobody else can produce. A lot of things that Google produces aren't immediately useful to users (take Google Sets for example -- cool, but nobody has an application for it yet).

    Google, unlike Yahoo, demands that all of their data be buildable by computer, that it absolutely scale up with computer hardware.

    Yahoo takes a "what does the customer want" approach, and often sticks a lot of people on things. Yahoo's directory was *possible* at the time Yahoo built it because they were willing to commit a lot of humans to it. A bunch of things, like Yahoo Quotes, are nothing particularly new or interesting, something that nobody but Yahoo can do -- but they are *useful*.

  30. Orkut... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...is a plural form of 'orgasm' in the Finnish language, and translates "all of the orgasms."

  31. Tricky Bastards by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you picked (a) they'd fail you because you came from some crappy place called Standford rather than Stanford

  32. Re:Is anyone else... by Vlion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No kidding.
    Its interesting that they've been advertising for hiring alot in the last year, along with the IPO.

    I'd spend some time seriously solving google recruitment problems except:
    i)the geekier-than-thou image google is exuding is irridating.
    ii)I'm under-graduating may 06. I don't feel like either dropping out or messing around with the google recruiters.
    iii)I'm moderatatly sure I could crack most of the google problems, given time.
    iv)Is google a research lab or a search engine?
    Both are fine, but they are redefining their role, and if they screw it up, they go kaputt!

    I might be called "geek" but there are severe problems with the "geek" culture.
    But thats coming from a senior with many graduate courses worth of math books on his shelf, a HP49g+, a TI86, and way too many anime CDs.
    ^_^

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  33. Re:How would others solve this one? by aaza · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A far more interesting problem (well, in my opinion, anyway):
    TEN
    TEN
    FORTY
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    SIXTY
    Write it out, right justify it (I can't get /. to do that), try it.

    Each letter equals one digit, there are ten different letters. Solve without using a computer. It is possible, and can be considered easy if you can work out how to record what letters can and can't be which digits.

    I have nothing against using a program to solve this, but it defeats the purpose (which is to see who can logically solve - not brute force - the puzzle).

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  34. Google presentation or recruitment session? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I attended a Google presentation at SUCON where a Google drone held a very shallow presentation of the tech stuff behind Google.

    In a nutshell, he hinted that they use Linux, that they have loads of cheap systems which 1) they expect will break down and 2) are cheap to fix, that a large part of the systems indexes content and that another large part of the systems serves content. And Google is hiring.

    He constantly repeated that because they went public he was not allowed to be specific. And he wasn't. There was a watchful Google woman that apparently took note of everything that went on and assisted at the proclamations of secrecy. And Google is hiring.

    Then he touched the Google policy and hinted that Google has a sort of principle of "not being evil". In my words, this means Google has considered being evil and decided not to be (maybe for the time being). Did I mention that Google is hiring?

    Oh yes and they were hiring. Yes hiring, hiring and hiring. There were even forms (as if the audience didn't know where to look for them on Google). And of course he couldn't say anything about the rates, due to... But Google is hiring.

    At the end of the presentation I thought:
    • Google kicks ass in low cost high performance computing.
    • Gmail will give them experience in how to handle confidentially in low cost high performance computing.
    • They (and not RedHat) have everything in order to become the next MS. (Monopoly on a technology and loads of quickly earned bucks.)
    • I guess that their going public results in less fun at the company.
    • Why do they need/want more money? They are doing OK as it is!
    • I decided to let Google have loads of fun with their money and not to take anything of that away from them by applying.
    • Oh yeah, they probably want the best for the lowest price. Both in HW and HR.
    And not to forget: Google is hiring.
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  35. Here's the problem and the solution - WWWDOT by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Informative
    777589 - 188103 == 589486
    > W == 7 D == 5 O == 8 T == 9 G == 1 L == 0 E == 3 M == 6 C == 4

    777589 - 188106 == 589483
    > W == 7 D == 5 O == 8 T == 9 G == 1 L == 0 E == 6 M == 3 C == 4

    Took 8 minutes to code, and 4 to run :)

    Lameness filter won't let me post it - view it here

  36. Is this really recruiting... by ndykman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a bit skeptical. Well, maybe they only took the first X amount of these things in, because it won't take long for all the answer to get posted. Seems more like marketing to me. Kind of "we have the smartest people, aren't we cool."

    Of course, there is lots of kinds of intelligences. I read the Emotional Intellgence book, and it was a bit of an eye-opener. Yep, there's all kinds of smart.

    I hate to admit it, but there may be a reason that some of those blasted sales and marketing guys and gals make serious money. We like to think that it's lucky, or BS, or kissing ass (and it could be), but sometimes, it's because "people smarts" can get you far.

    Sure, this makes sense for a research lab starting up, but here's something to ponder. MS, IBM and HP all have labs too. And how effective they are is how well they can transfer ideas into development. HP had lots of idea, but consistently could not execute on them. IBM and MS do much better.

    You can have too many cooks, after all. For every thinker, there is a doer that is just as valuable, if not more so.

    Oh, and Google, now that you are public and MS wants a piece of your action, here's a hint. Arrogance and "we're better than..." can hurt you really, really bad. Just ask Netscape, err, AOL, err, well, you know. Don't get too cocky.

    I think of Richard Fenymann at times like this. Nobel Prize winner, who admired an illiterate MC in a local bar for his social skills and how he worked. True smarts is always being ready to learn, regardless of how or what is taught.

    Yea, maybe I'm jealous because I can't do those types of puzzles very well. But I still have enough brains to know that there is room for all types, and diversity wins over sheer brain power in the long haul.

    Of course, I'm not that brainy. Hell, I'm still posting here, for the love of... 8-)

  37. Re:Nice Troll! by RogL · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It may be a nice troll, but the fact is, Google's motto "Don't be evil" is in direct conflict with the fact that they just went public. A public corporation is mandated by law to make as much money as possible (i.e. accountable to the shareholders). Remember in Fight Club when he describes how the car company figures its recalls? They do it that way because its the law. Welcome to America...

    Factor in "customer goodwill", then "Don't be evil" becomes a long-term investment strategy. Screwing over your customers may turn a quick profit, but people / companies stop wanting to do business with you (if there's an alternative). In support of my position, I cite any discussion-page on Slashdot: look for anti-Microsoft sentiment.

  38. GLAT vs, Google Output by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GLAT: Number of blank lines for testee's answer: 5.
    Number of "found pages" for typical google search: 523,984

  39. Re:199981 by stripmarkup · · Score: 2, Informative

    So why is that a problem with my solution? 199981 is the first one, 199982 is another, etc, but they are only looking for the first.

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  40. Re:Resistor lattice? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the assumption in my set up and solution is that this is the only "closed circuit."

    And I think that is an invalid assumption. The resistance can't be assumed to be infinite when they state exactly what it is and it can be calculated to be non-infinite. If your move is up-up-right for the knight's move, and you go down-right-up-up-up you will have another unique path, and the resistance will be a non-infinite 5 ohm. Of course, you can go 200*right-up-up-199*left and have a non-infinite resistance as well. Even if you assumed all other paths to have infinite resistance, you have an infinite number of them. You need to calculate infinity number of paths times 1/infinity resistance. It shortens to infinity/infinity, which needs more mathmetical inspection to determine what the answer is. I'm not up to it right now.