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The Perfect Online Music Store?

brace asks: "With the proliferation of online music sales, more and more companies are jumping onto the bandwagon and trying to sell you downloadable music. Some of them do a good job, some of them are just bad at it. The question I have for Slashdot readers is essentially 'What would the perfect online music store offer you?' Should it have OGG and FLAC tracks, as well as MP3? Would you rather pay per-song or per-month? Would you want the option to purchase hard-copy as well (like the actual album, or even band merchandise)? Should the song samples be 30 second downloads or full-song streams fed on-demand? Is a radio station important for an online music store?" "Personally, I'd like to see a store that has a 24/7 internet radio station, on-demand streaming, $0.99 downloads (and $9.99 album downloads), links to purchase actual albums or merchandise, and with MP3, OGG, and FLAC support. I'd also like to see the artists being paid more than 10%..."

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  1. allofmp3.com by n0iz77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    allofmp3.com is already amazing. super low prices and i can get most of the music in ogg q5. :)

    1. Re:allofmp3.com by bullitB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you're a Russian citizen, living in Russia, listening to the music in Russia, allofmp3.com is also not legal. If you're going to violate local copyright laws, at least use a P2P service where they don't take down your name and credit card number.

    2. Re:Allofmp3.com by OS24Ever · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But the RIAA should learn the lesson that the MPAA has learned:


      That, and produce a quality product. I'm hard up to find any new music that isn't over sampled over produced stripping teeny bopper. I mean with the iPod and you listen to the music without her shaking her ass your face on the screen you see the crap for what it is.

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    3. Re:allofmp3.com by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those of us in the USA who buy music from allofmp3 need to remind ourselves thats it's not legal here. But dammit its the closest thing to perfect. There media app downloads the songs for you in the background, the tunes are dirt cheap and they have a good (but not excellent, at least in punk) selection. Their search engine sucks though. Search for "corazon oro" without the quotes, then search for "corazon de oro". that song should be there in the first search! I would also like it if it embedded the album cover into the tune, so iTunes could display it.

    4. Re:allofmp3.com by jonathan_95060 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you're a Russian citizen, living in Russia, listening to the music in Russia, allofmp3.com is also not legal. If you're going to violate local copyright laws, at least use a P2P service where they don't take down your name and credit card number.


      And what do you base this statement on? Forget proof, has RIAA even ever commented on allofMP3? Last time I searched RIAA was mute on the subject of AllofMP3.com which is strange when you consider how much music US customers download from there. It is inconceivable that RIAA is unaware that US citizens are using AllofMP3 in droves.

      Granted, ripping CDs in the US and uploading them to allofMP3 is likely to be illegal but I have seen nothing to suggest that downloading music from allofMP3.com is illegal.

      Presumably if it was illegal to download from allofMP3 then RIAA would get an injunction (or some such legal device) against the credit card companies so that VISA and Mastercard would not let US customers do business with AllofMP3.

      I've used AllofMP3.com for nearly a year and I'm thrilled with them. They give me MP3s in the format I want (192kbps VBR MP3s) and they have old hard to find music (e.g. King Crimson - Discipline) that I can't get from other online services.

      SIDEBAR: it was actually the fact that I couldn't fine old AC/DC and King Crimson albums that I wanted on iTunes that drove me to AllofMP3, not the fact that AllofMP3 is cheaper!
    5. Re:allofmp3.com by caudron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That means that unless the copies made would have been legal had US law applied at the place where they were made

      (standard IANAL stuff applies)

      Even under US Copyright law, these copies are legal. They are licensed under contract in a legitimately recognized sovreign nation that is an active and signifigant participant in the world community. Russian-born contracts are perfectly valid and enforecable across borders.

      Facts:

      1) The music was legally licensed in the nation where the sale is taking place.

      2) There exosts no prohibition against sale in the legal license.

      3) There exists no prohibition against sale accross borders once the music is legally licensed.

      4) When the RIAA had legal grounds to injunct a music distribution method, they do so.

      5) The RIAA has never made a single public mention of AllOfMP3, and there exists no evidence to suggest that AllOfMP3 is on their hitlist.

      6) Copyright law allows me to purchase music in another country and bring it here, so long as the purchase was legal.

      7) The sale of music by AllOfMP3 is legal.

      Downloading is reproduction, not importation. Check it out: Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry,

      I trust that you, also, are not a lawyer since you have taken IR v ULM way out of context.

      1) In IRvULM, the hosting site did not have license to distribute. AllOfMP3 does.

      2) In IRvULM, there is no mention whatsoever of the distinction between reproduction versus importation as an issue. Judge Campbell was ruling on the distinction between viewing and copying. The judge ruled that viewing a page constituted the illegal making of a copy, rather than a legal viewing (i.e., same as photocopying a book rather than same are reading it in the library) which has zero bearing on a case where the licensee has every legal right to sell copies of the material and is doing so under the auspices of a legally recognized government that engages and accepts the rules of the WTC, of which Russia is a member in good standing.

      What, can't you read?

      Though it's clear by this statement that you were being offensive in your reply, you'll note that I stuck to the facts and didn't engage in meaningless insult. Try doing that from now on and people will respond better to your arguments. and especially avoid being so cocky when you are wrong. It doesn't make you look so good.

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  2. iTunes rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After 3 years of boycotting music and not buying any, I finally started using iTunes 4 months back. Since then I've purchased 10 albums. I tried MusicMatch and looked at Real, but honestly iTunes is the most user friendly.

    1. Re:iTunes rock by dbn3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [Listening to the new U2 single just bought on iTunes :) ]

      Now that I am more than 10 years out of college, it is definately worth $0.99 to just get the song I want without trolling the p2p networks looking for music.

      Besides, in recent years, if it ain't hip with the teen/college crowd, it ain't on the p2p networks. Those tracks that are there are of very variable quality -- you have to get several copies because some moron can't rip or encode correctly. It's just not worth the hassle.

      Things I really like about iTunes:
      - cost;
      - quality;
      - ease of purchase;
      - the "others also bought" links let me explore things I haven't heard before; and, of course
      - buying the single for a buck instead of a 10 track crappy cd for $14 for that one single.

      Things I still am waiting for:
      - broader catalogue (Madonna and The Beatles for two are still not available)

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  3. MP3? by Treacle+Treatment · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I wouldn't pay for any downloadable music that wasn't CD quality and storable to as many CDs or MP3 players as I wanted.

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  4. FREE MUSIC by michalas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >'What would the perfect online music store offer you?'

    FREE MUSIC!

  5. Allofmp3.com by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Allofmp3.com already has FLAC, Vorbis, and VBR MP3 files for the taking. They're DRM-free and play on anything.

    I would happily pay $.99 a track for what Allofmp3.com offers. Of course, they only charge $0.01 per megabyte.

    Of course, Allofmp3.com is probably illegal, at least in the US. But the RIAA should learn the lesson that the MPAA has learned:

    Give people the content they want (movies, some of them costing $100s of millions to produce), at a fair price ($15 DVDs), in a format that's convenient (DVDs have good quality and nonrestrictive DRM) and there will be no incentive to pirate your content.

  6. For me by Judg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The author's idea of a music store is pretty much aligned with my own, except for one thing - I'd like to have the ability to (for an additional fee even) download the .wav file.

    Then I can do whatever the hell I want to with it. Yes MP3 and OGG are nice, and yes FLAC is lossless, but the ability to download a .wav just gives me that warm fuzzy "I can do whatever I please with it" feeling.

    Ah, yes, and I'd like the ability to download the track I purchased 3 times, just in case. Making sure I could grab my music again if my hdd fails would be an extra warm selling point too.

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  7. The perfect music store. by luugi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How Napster used to be.

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  8. sound quality by evil+crash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guaranteed sound quality, and the ability to re-download any track I've ever purchased. (Ya just never know when ya might lose it.)

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  9. Re:This is what id like.. by PepsiProgrammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats why you would have the additional charge for more exotic codecs. 99.999% of people will be going after the mp3's if given the option. But a few people would rather grab oggs or flacs.

    And, the topic did not say your ideal music store had to be feasable with current technology.

    This is just what I think would be best format wise, but until the entire recording industry gets its head out of its ass and starts: distributing good music, at a decent price, with a decent chunk going to the artist. I won't be buying shit from them.

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  10. Not worse than a CD by Jason1729 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has to have CD quality or better, no DRM, and substantially cheaper than buying on CD.

  11. you just described allofmp3 by poptones · · Score: 4, Insightful
    and the prices are good, too. Problem is those "wav" files seem to be ripped in analog format or something, cuz their quality is very erratic.

    No fucking way am I gonna pay a buck a song and ten bucks an album for downloads unless I really like the work and can get pristine quality. Thus far I would say Magnatune does it best: you can listen to anything they have (and you can actually hear it because the quality doesn't suck) and, if you want to buy it, you can set the price and download it in high quality formats. I've bought a few albums there and have actually found myself going back to buy a work again because I decided I liked the work more than I thought and I felt bad about being such a cheap bastard.

    if the record companies would trust people to do the right thing and stop calling us all thieves they could make a LOT more money. If I can buy a used CD for five bucks, rip it and get the quality I want, why the fuck would I pay twice that for the download? Magnatune gets it... the others don't.

    1. Re:you just described allofmp3 by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A) iTMS doesn't sign up artists directly, they sign up the labels and resell their music, paying them 77 cents out of the dollar. B) Magnatune doesn't really try to sign established artists, they appeal to independent artists, or artists in non-mainstream genres, and they apparently have substantially more artists interested in being listed than they want to list - they are being selective, trying to pick good music, focusing on niches where they think they have a chance of getting traction.


      Magnatune is trying to be a niche online record label, not a catch-all retailer selling music as a loss leader for their music player devices, so comparing them directly is pretty meaningless. Does Magnatune have issues with their marketing and PR? Absolutely, but I'm not sure that the fact that they let you listen to high quality streams before you buy has anything to do with their issues (it's not really payment optional, they just let you choose your payment amount between 5 and 20 dollars for an album, I believe, with 8 being the recommended amount).


      If the problem is just exposure of the artists and the Magnatune site, that's a fixable problem and doesn't fundmentally disprove their model (which I see as high quality, DRM-free tracks for a reasonable price per album, with free full song previews). In any case, I think the jury's still out on this one, but there's plenty of room for an iTunes and a Magnatune to coexist out there (in fact, iTunes is going to be doing a deal with Magnatune in the near future to promote some of their artists in exchange for time-limited exclusives to sell their new albums).

  12. Profit! by Vaystrem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) Submit story to /.
    2) Have /. community critque existing Music stores
    3) Implement Recommendations
    4) Submit story to /. about new music store
    5) Profit!

  13. Free by Apreche · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Recorded music isn't worth anything to me anymore. I'll pay to see a concert or buy merchandise if I am compelled to do so. But unless it is for a ridiculously low price, say a dollar a month for infinite music, then its just not worth it.

    Even if I did join some service, almost none of the music I listen to would be available. I listen mostly to groups like machinae supremacy, who give their music away for free anyway, classic rock which I already have on vinyl and thus am legally allowed to have mp3s of, ocremixes, and foreign music. It might be possible to pay for some of the foreign music on some of the services, but either I wont be able to read it or it wont work with Linux or it will costly ungodly amounts of money.

    In conclusion I would actually pay for music if.
    1) Every song ever recorded was available.
    2) I could choose my format and bitrate freely.
    3) Absolutely no DRM encumberance.
    4) Works with Linux.
    5) Super cheap, we're talking pennies or half pennies per song.

    It's a good thing not too many people feel like me. The record companies would be screwed.

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  14. Liner Notes by corian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I purchase an album digitally, I'd still like to download a PDF/Flash/something of the album art and liner notes. It's important content that the artist (or perhaps the label) feels complements the music, and that's why they are sold together. Although I'm puchasing music in a different format than a jewel case, I still want the same experience.

  15. Re:Another big problem with allofmp3 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really don't think most of the people who post care if artists get paid. I mean, look at the comments on this board. They want what they want when they want it at the price they want it--which is--essentially, free. And they create all manner of tortured justifications for why they shouldn't pay for music. The RIAA is evil. New artists don't produce any good music (but it is evidently good enough to download and listen to). A dollar is too much for a track. I don't like DRM. And on, and on, and on. But essentially, these folks have discovered that they can "share" music with relatively no consequences, and they don't care if the people who make it get paid. Drumroll please, and cue the "The RIAA doesn't pay artists either" justifications. And don't forget to mention that anyone who has this opinion is a shill for the RIAA. All I'm saying is that I, for one, like music. And much of the music I like is/was released on RIAA labels (much wasn't). And the music and artists I like are capable of releasing albums with 10 or more good songs (I always wonder about the people who find only 1-2 good tracks on an album--what kind of crap are you listening to, anyway?). And finally, for me, a dollar a song is not a lot to pay for something I may listen to and enjoy hundreds of times. But I accept that my views are not shared by everyone.