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Air Force Researching Antimatter Weapons

mlmitton writes "The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Air Force is actively pursuing antimatter weapons. Such weapons would easy eclipse nuclear weapons in power, e.g., 1 gram of antimatter would equal 23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy. Perhaps more interesting, after an initial inquiry by the Chronicle in the summer, the Air Force issued a gag order that prohibits any Air Force employee from discussing antimatter research or funding."

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  1. Energy Conversion by tntguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    e.g., 1 gram of antimatter would equal 23 space shuttle fuel tanks of energy

    How much energy is that in Burning Libraries of Congress? I'm not entirely up to speed on these new-fangled measurements. Rods an' hogsheads, for me!

    1. Re:Energy Conversion by Megaweapon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think that is properly measured in exploding Volkswagen units.

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    2. Re:Energy Conversion by crayz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to get football fields of destruction if possible. It would be nice to have a conversion utility

    3. Re:Energy Conversion by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 2, Funny

      The US Air Force needs to seriously consider using their time machine to go back and prevent the leak of anti-matter weapons.

    4. Re:Energy Conversion by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm somewhat partial to units involving elephants. Can I get this expressed in terms of the potential energy of x elephants dropped from an altitude of 100km?

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    5. Re:Energy Conversion by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Funny

      What anti-matter weapons?

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    6. Re:Energy Conversion by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any self-respecting supervillain uses neutronium/anti-neutronium. Sure, it doesn't weigh any less, but you can pack 50 million tons of it in a suitcase.

      Well. A suitcase made of exotic superstring material.

    7. Re:Energy Conversion by AoT · · Score: 4, Funny

      What happens if you make an anti-matter hydrogen bomb?

    8. Re:Energy Conversion by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Funny

      See? They were successful!

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    9. Re:Energy Conversion by Begossi · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think what you are looking for is "fathoms per league per foreweek".

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    10. Re:Energy Conversion by AviLazar · · Score: 5, Funny

      What are you nuts? Do something useful for our world? We need more WMD's, because after we nuke the planet to hell and back, we want to make sure we get all the cockroaches by using anti-matter weapons on them.
      With luck, after we create anti-matter weapons - the vulcans will come here, smack some sense into our leadership and those of us who want can leave on a space ship with warp drive and hot vulcan chicks :D

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    11. Re:Energy Conversion by HungSoLow · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what you're saying is if I eat the entire library of congress (fibre is good for your diet) I would gain 19,328,000,000,000 kg. (IF the library was entirely converted to fat). Take that Richard Simmons!

    12. Re:Energy Conversion by KillboyPHD · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm somewhat partial to units involving elephants. Can I get this expressed in terms of the potential energy of x elephants dropped from an altitude of 100km?"

      If I've done the calculations right, the energy released by one kilogram of matter interacting with one gram of antimatter is roughly equivalent to the potential energy of 33 thousand 6 ton elephants at a height of 100 kilometers.

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  2. Space Shuttle Fuel Tanks? by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 3, Funny

    SSFTs are now units of energy?

    1. Re:Space Shuttle Fuel Tanks? by TFGeditor · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Texas, "shitload" is an official unit of measurement. I suspect this technology will yield energy on a scale several orders of shitload greater than any other to date this side of the sun.

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  3. Oooops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news... The air force research center suddenly dissappeared along with 200.000 square kilometers of land. Nobody from the research center was available for comment.

  4. 1 gram of anti matter? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shouldn't that be -1 gram of anti matter?

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    1. Re:1 gram of anti matter? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Funny

      quick. someone call alton brown. let's find out if we can use this stuff for antipasto.

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    2. Re:1 gram of anti matter? by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where's my +1 anti-overrated moderation?

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    3. Re:1 gram of anti matter? by identity0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, I read all about it on AntiSlashdot: News for Nerds. Stuff that AntiMatters.

      Unfortunately some Slashdotters got onto AntiSlashdot, and the resulting reaction with the thoughtful, intelligent and polite women there caused an explosive reaction which destroyed the AntiSlashdot server. A shame, really, since AntiSlashdottings gave the affected server a tremendous amount of free bandwidth, their site design was colorful yet tasteful, and I always loved Joan Dogz's thoughtful articles.

      Oh well, I guess I'm stuck with regular 'ol Slashdot now. It's just as good, right?

  5. Re:So when... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 4, Funny

    No no you're thinking of naquadria.

  6. Re:The only problem is..... by NReitzel · · Score: 2, Funny
    Not entirely true, we just don't have much. We can make antiprotons and antielectrons, which gives us antihydrogen. Now, if we can scale up our production by something like 20 orders of magnitude...

    Mole problems? Call Avagadro, 602-1023

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  7. Re:Really... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

    > I'm generally pretty high on national defense

    Careful...it's a gateway policy. Before you know it, you'll be mainlining the hard stuff like trade agreements.

  8. change the department by Naikrovek · · Score: 5, Funny

    this should be "from the stuff-that-antimatters dept."

  9. Re:Some things I don't understand about anti-matte by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

    > The first seems impossible, unless you has some kind of containment where the anti-matter doesn't actually touch anything.

    Clearly our containment systems must be made of antimatter cats with pieces of antimatter buttered toast strapped to their backs.

  10. If you're dropping The Bomb anyway... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unlike regular nuclear bombs, positron bombs wouldn't eject plumes of radioactive debris. When large numbers of positrons and antielectrons collide, the primary product is an invisible but extremely dangerous burst of gamma radiation. Thus, in principle, a positron bomb could be a step toward one of the military's dreams from the early Cold War: a so-called "clean" superbomb that could kill large numbers of soldiers without ejecting radioactive contaminants over the countryside.

    As depressing as it sounds, this is probably a Good Thing.

    If we take as fact that militaries exist to kill, then it follows logically that they will develop tools to kill as effectively as possible. That's how we've ended up with uranium fission bombs, then plutonium fission bombs, then hydrogen fusion bombs.

    Someone, somewhere, will eventually decide that they need to neutralize their enemy bad enough to accept the consequences of a nuke. It may even be us -- if Bush hadn't restarted research on nuclear bunker-busters, someone else would have eventually.

    So if you accept the depressing notion that use of massively destructive weapons is inevitable, you *want* this research to go forward. At least, this way, you *can* go back home.

    Kind of ironic... for all the talk about "WMD"s, this would be a real Weapon of *Mass* Destruction... or at least, a Weapon of Mass Conversion Directly To Energy.

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  11. Dear US Air Force by dchamp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear US Air Force. Please don't blow up the planet.

    Thank You,

    A Concerned Citizen

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    The Tick : Egads! I hope not. That's where I keep all my stuff!

  12. Re:Really... by jsoffron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too late...I've been freebasing Nafta all day... Sweet, sweet NAFTA.

  13. Re:How about research them... by hazem · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you keep enough of it around to use as fuel for a power plant then you have a chance of the magnetic containment field failing and your facility converted to component atoms.

    At least it won't have all that nasty residual radiation. Sure, there will be one big-ass hole in the ground, but I suppose we could just make a lake out of it.

  14. Re:1gm antimatter = 39 kT TNT by Jainith · · Score: 2, Funny
    So 1 gram antimatter + 1 gram matter is about 39 kT of TNT. Hiroshima was about 20 kT, Nagasaki was 13 kT, so one gram antimatter would release just a scosh more than both devices.

    6kT is just a scosh? Thats an interesting defintion of scosh...

  15. Frickin "Anti-Matter" by neuro.slug · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what I've done is taken this .."anti-matter" and mounted it in a giant conical cannon. I shall call it.. The "Anti-Matter Horn".

    Mwa ha ha ha!

  16. Classification acronyms by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

    This isn't really that interesting or even unusual: Uncle Sam frequently limits what military folks can say about ongoing projects. There is a classification called "Sensitive But Unclassified", or SBU, whcih means the info is not classified as such (Secret, TS, etc.) but it is still not for public disclosure. (Years ago SBU was called "For Official Use Only" or FOUO.) Budgets are generally considered at least SBU, so it should be no suprise that the budget is not publicized.

    Well, since they just telling employees not to talk about it, the proper designation is Sensitive Topic For the Uninitiated, or STFU.

  17. Evil Twin by ericspinder · · Score: 2, Funny

    That whole ying and yang thing of matter/antimatter got me thinking about my evil self in the other universe. Since I have a goatee, does that mean that my evil twin is clean shaven?

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  18. Units of measure conversion? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Okay I'm just as confused as the next person about that unit of measure. But I am sure there are real much smarter people here that could enlighten us.

    Could someone convert that into units of "can of whoop-ass?"

  19. One reason for the gag order: by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Funny

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  20. Re:Weapon research == Power plant research. by gadget+junkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....will my tinfoil hat still work?

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  21. Cheap irony alert by Strange_Attractor · · Score: 4, Funny
    The end of the article:

    Besides, Lynn is enthusiastic about antimatter because he believes it could propel futuristic space rockets. "I think," he said, "we need to get off this planet, because I'm afraid we're going to destroy it."
    Maybe if we lay off building the antimatter bombs...
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  22. Viola and voila are different. by twd · · Score: 2, Funny

    What do violas have to do with it? Did Stradivarius use antimatter to achieve his results?

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  23. Re:Weapon research == Power plant research. by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you drop a ball of plutonium on your foot, all you get is broken toes.

    All 7 of them...

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  24. Re:Dr Strangelove, I presume? by chris_mahan · · Score: 3, Funny

    What I meant was 1 burning library of congress should be enough to satisfy the current administration.

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  25. Units by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Funny

    This raises an interesting question: why aren't "units" like "Library of Congress", "VW Bug", and "human hair" included in the "units" program?

  26. Re:Pointless. by Gulik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Exactly what military threat do they envision where they need a bigger "boom" than what they have now?

    Actually, as others have posted, it seems to be more that it's a different kind of boom -- one which doesn't throw lots of radioactive contaminants into the atmosphere, for one. It just, you know, kills everybody nearby with X-rays (I believe).

    I can't help but assume that half the impetus behind this research are the Trek geeks in the Air Force wanting to be the first one to say "We've got an antimatter containment breach." They know they'll be dead shortly afterwards, but they're okay with that. Kind of like the geek equivalent of dying for the glory of God.

  27. Re:Some things I don't understand about anti-matte by WillWare · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...seems impossible, unless you has some kind of containment where the anti-matter doesn't actually touch anything.

    Don't worry, we've got it covered. You ever see one of those aerodynamic trick gadgets where a balloon is suspended in an updraft from a fan? You push the balloon to one side, it recenters itself over the fan.

    Now take out the balloon and put in a blob of antimatter. If the antimatter is too heavy to float in the breeze, duct-tape the antimatter to the balloon.

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  28. Re:Because an explosion is 3-d by ndogg · · Score: 5, Funny

    What? You have a problem with Footbal Fields Squared?

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  29. Re:Really... by ViolentGreen · · Score: 4, Funny

    But storage is EXTREMELY tricky. If the antimatter ever contacts the edges of its container, boom.

    Simple solution: store the anti-matter in an anti-matter container. Duh.

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  30. Re:Uh, it's still FOUO everywhere else but to you. by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 2, Funny
    i've been stationed with USAF folks and on their bases and i've never heard of SBU.

    That's because the existence of the SBU classification is itself classified SBU. The grandparent poster has been detained and is currently "assisting authorities with their inquiries".

    Now, (/me puts on MIB sunglasses), if you and the rest of the /. readers would all look over here at this pen-like object in my hand...

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  31. A shitload? by FirstNoel · · Score: 5, Funny

    A co-worker's husband runs a Septic Tank clearing business. When we asked what a shitload was we were told "1600 gallons".

    Sean D.

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  32. Re:Weapon research == Power plant research. by JWW · · Score: 5, Funny

    no, but your antitinfoil hat might!! ;-)

  33. Re:How about research them... by greenegg77 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Correction - The bomb needs 23 space shuttles to deliver it...

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  34. Now now Donald.... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...what do you want more doomsday weapons for? You hardly play with the ones you've got!

  35. Thank goodness by Tom7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Such weapons would easy eclipse nuclear weapons in power

    Thank goodness. One of the biggest problems with nuclear weapons is their lack of power.

  36. Re:Anti-Matter Resch.--Whoah! by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whooah... For a second my mind thought my eyes saw:

    "Anti-Matter Reich."

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  37. Re:Laptop Hours, a more useful unit of conversion by winse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or imagine buying a motor vehicle that already has enough fuel to run it for the rest of its' usefull life. And then image that car getting into an accident and removing Cleveland.

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  38. Re:expensive by jesdynf · · Score: 2, Funny
    Antimatter is currently the most expensive substance on earth, at $1.75 trillion per ounce.
    That's over four times as much as printer ink.
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  39. Re:Weapon research == Power plant research. by vsprintf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The guy who died of overexposure was played by John Cusack.

    And another renowned Hollywood nuclear expert, Jane Fonda, was in The China Syndrome. No doubt they will both be testifying before Congress on the dangers of these weapons.

  40. Re:Plutonium by iamacat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, killer helium that finishes you off if you inhale or digest it. Almost as bad as Dihydrogen Monoxide.

  41. Re:This is only a small part of weapons research. by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Funny

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  42. Dont even bother burning.... by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is 58 megatons of books there we could drop on 'the enemy'.

    So, roughly speaking 1.5g of antimater, is equivelent to just dropping the entire contents of the Library of Congress, on a 1cm-odd square...

  43. Re:Plutonium by CritterNYC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your "beyboard"?

    Ummm... exactly.