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Media Center Bathroom Extender

henrysunset writes "...Extend your stay in the bathroom with this inexpensive Media Center Bathroom Extender for Windows Media Center Edition PC's. The guide shows you how to control a Media Center PC from another room with a cheap XBox controller w/ built in LCD and a little soldering."

105 comments

  1. I don't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I just Wifi while sitting on the crapper ...

    1. Re:I don't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sharp Zaurus + WiFi + Shitcan = TehNirvana

    2. Re:I don't need this by daserver · · Score: 1

      Ironic to rate this informative dont you think? :)

    3. Re:I don't need this by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Don't these run XP and include Remote Desktop?

      Because if they do, then I'd think that you could just remote control them, and skip the whole soldering bit.

      (fwiw, I keep an old PC wired to my stereo, and I use Remote Desktop to control it via my wi-fi laptop)

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    4. Re:I don't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big deal - I get ads for "extenders" all the time.

    5. Re:I don't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I guess that explains the bulk of the shitty posts around here :)

    6. Re:I don't need this by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      It's appropriate. It's "Too much informative" but they don't have that category in the moderation.

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    7. Re:I don't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      psst! this is slashdot!
      if you'd have said "I use ssh to connect to my old linux box" you'd have a score of 5

  2. I always said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft programs were shitty.

  3. pins and needles by nktae · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ahhh finally, I can take my entertainment to the toilet, good thing too, I was running out of excuses to sit there until my legs fell asleep.

    1. Re:pins and needles by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Ahhh finally, I can take my entertainment to the toilet
      Why not just bring:
      • A good book
      • The newspaper
      • A crossword puzzle
      • A laptop
    2. Re:pins and needles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is, i can throw away the newspaper after a usage, but its hard to get rid of the brown stains on the keyboard.

      aww well, maybe I should get used to toilet paper

    3. Re:pins and needles by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      The difference is, i can throw away the newspaper after a usage, but its hard to get rid of the brown stains on the keyboard.

      aww well, maybe I should get used to toilet paper
      You should use white rabbits:
      A bear and a rabbit were in the woods, and they both decided to take a crap at the same time.

      The bear asked the rabbit "Do you have problems with shit sticking to your fur?"

      The rabbit answered, "No."

      The bear said "Good", and used the rabbit to wipe.
    4. Re:pins and needles by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'll second this one. Find a book that has small pieces that can be read on the toilet, while there are many books constructed specifically for this purpose that's not the only kind that applies. Personally my current bathroom reading material is Humane Society, a book by one of my fellow E2 addicts that has me laughing and thinking, two of my favorite activities. They don't call it the thinking chair for nothing. As I sit on the throne and issue an edict I like to have something to take my mind off the biological process of excretion. To me it would be enough to bring my music into the bathroom. Anyone know of a system to spit an audio stream out over multiple sound cards and keep it synched?

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    5. Re:pins and needles by triso · · Score: 1
      Anyone know of a system to spit an audio stream out over multiple sound cards and keep it synched?

      How about remote speakers with a long cable or cordless headphones. Sometimes an analog solution can be cheaper and either one will sound better than laptop speakers.
    6. Re:pins and needles by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I intend to use cordless speakers, which use the same technology as the cordless headphones and are generally sold by the same companies. The bathroom does have power, after all. However I want to be able to control which speakers are active via computer (web interface, probably) and the cheapest way to do that would probably be to use a multitude of crappy sound cards in a single system.

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    7. Re:pins and needles by Kobal · · Score: 1

      Use a goose.

  4. Extend your stay in the bathroom... by Garabito · · Score: 1

    And you will have to see your doctor any time soon...

  5. I can just see on the box in small writing by TAGmclaren · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please note: brown keyboard not included

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  6. Backlight by peterprior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would the high voltage needed to run an LCD backlight be a potential hazard in a bathroom ?

    1. Re:Backlight by Fortyseven · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would the high voltage needed to run an LCD backlight be a potential hazard in a bathroom ?

      Only if you are a very very inaccurate pisser.

    2. Re:Backlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. There's a reason that bathrooms in the US are required to have GFCI outlets installed.

    3. Re:Backlight by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I assume that you are female or else you would have written;

      "Only because we very very inaccurate pissers."

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    4. Re:Backlight by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shouldn't this be labeled funny? CCFL backlights do use relatively high voltages, about 1200V to start and 200V to operate, but their current use is best measured in mA. A backlight inverter will give you a jolt you can feel if you're holding the wires, but the current is pretty much guaranteed to mostly go through the skin. I guess if you stuck two nails in your hands (can you put me up for the night?) and attached the leads to them you might get the current to go someplace unfortunate if you coaxed the inverter into producing starting voltage for you, but that's about it.

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    5. Re:Backlight by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Hey speak for yourself. I happened to be a very accurate pisser (in the sniper class). I haven't spilled a drop since 2000.

    6. Re:Backlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not hard while sitting *grin*

  7. *SIGH!* by rts008 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is another exmple of:" Just because you CAN do somthing, doesn't mean it's actually a good idea to do so". IMHO of course. I mean, who am I to stop someone from deliberately developing hemorroids that *slap* their calves/ankles as they walk!

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    1. Re:*SIGH!* by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Yeah... The need to sit for extended periods of time indicates you have a problem and need more fiber. Constipation (even mild constipation) can have some rather unpleasant side effects. The act of sitting on the toilet alone isn't too healthy either, it happens to be a sitting position that puts strain on many of your blood vessels.

      Moral of the story: Don't read/wifi/whatever in the crapper. Just remove the need by taking some daily Metamucil. And don't wait until you learn your lesson the hard way.

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    2. Re:*SIGH!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey why do have to take away the last joy in my life?

    3. Re:*SIGH!* by Performaman · · Score: 1

      " This is another exmple of:" Just because you CAN do somthing, doesn't mean it's actually a good idea to do so"
      Well, it could be useful for a home sterio setup.

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    4. Re:*SIGH!* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the problems with civilization is that people just don't trust their own assholes. They get up from taking a crap and turn around and look to see what they've done. It's shit. Didn't they already know that? But they'll do it every damned time. The asshole is really very smart; it can tell the difference between gas and solid (most of the time).

  8. Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd use a bluetooth phone with some sort of control software on the PC.

    My Mac, SonyEricsson K700i, Salling Clicker and a couple of AirPort Expresses do this fine.

  9. Yes but... by Cumstien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What if a group of malicious South African diplomats have rigged a bomb under your crapper and the toilet paper says, "BOOM YOU'RE DEAD". I'd bet you'd like the ability to change the music then.

  10. is this a farce? by tallbill · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am pretty sure that the whole thing could be on 12 volt power. You are correct in worrying about the problem of electricution. This whole idea seems like a farse to me, webserfing from a bathtub. I want a bathroom with a ten thousand tiles. Each tile will be an LCD display with an independant feed . . . The crapper of ten thousand websites

    1. Re:is this a farce? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The crapper of ten thousand websites
      Its called the internet now

  11. No sense of Humor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent was a joke - not flamebait.

    No, I'm not the same AC, I'm a different AC.

  12. Finally! by fegul · · Score: 1, Funny

    Once they get a self-replenishing fridge, I'll never have to leave the bathroom! I can isolate myself with my own feces, and never have to leave.

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  13. natural selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the heck hasn't this line worked its way out of the gene pool yet?
    You know this guy isn't procreating.

  14. May be a health hazard by lewko · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Listed below are the most frequent causes of hemorrhoids:
    • Constant sitting
    • Straining with bowel movements (from constipation or hard stools)
    • Diarrhea
    • Sitting on the toilet for a long time
    • Severe coughing
    • Childbirth
    • Heavy Lifting

      Source

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    1. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that 2 and 4 are linked.

      Fiber is your friend.

      The average American gets 15 grams of fiber a day. Low-carb dieters get 8. You should be getting 25-30.

      Oh, and before you say hemorrhoids are for old people - I got my first one less than 2 weeks before my 25th birthday. I've been taking Metamucil daily ever since.

    2. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      You forgot the number 1 cause:
      • goatse.cx
    3. Re:May be a health hazard by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      So, basically, "anything". Just like cancer.

    4. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing says 'american cuisine' like packing paste into your colon.

      blame the food industry. in effort to increase profits while delaying food spoilage, grain products are typically made of "white flour" ingredients. (nevermind that the food industry has to add back in some of the natively packaged nutrients they stripped out.)

    5. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      childbirth? heavy lifting?
      goddamit, i oughta change my life style.

    6. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got my first hemorrhoid in my life simply from painting the interior of my inlaws house a few weeks ago, and I'm not even 30 yet! There was hardly any heavy lifting involved so I don't know how I strained my rectum and ended up with the squishy grape thing on my butt that hurt for 2 weeks.

    7. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how did you know it was squishy? did you touch your asshole? ghey!!! gaydar alert!!!!

    8. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just quit having those heavy babies!!

    9. Re:May be a health hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the hole inside the dot intended?

  15. Laptop by IGTeRR0r · · Score: 1, Informative

    Meh, if you have the money the toshiba satellite media center laptop has been out for a while:
    http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=HH O&coid=-26379&sel=0&rcid=-26367&ccid=12910 21
    They also have a cheaper version called the p15, which is what I am on now, it has the media center, works great.

  16. Is it just me by jrf83317 · · Score: 2, Funny

    or does that glass of water look really dirty?

    1. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course, he's just taken his teeth out of it

    2. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you actually think its water?

  17. so the remote control doesnt't work ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny


    seeing as retail XPMCE systems have them by default (unless you are evaluating the software, even tho its pretty useless without the IR), no need for messy wired controllers (or i would use com 2 and 1$ in connectors) range not enough ? then get a IR range extender for about 25$, still cheaper than an xbox and its clumsy controllers and having bits of wire clutter up the place

    messing about with soldering irons for such a minor mod is frankly insulting to the real HH who are busy in surface mount land

    if you want to hack like this extender, did you also know you can make your xbox portable by adding a 12v truck battery, wheels, chassis and propulsion ! even make it float on water using nothing more than a boat !

  18. PCs, not PC's by paj1234 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Cowboy Neal, you mean PCs as in more than one PC, no apostrophe. The apostophe only means "belonging to" (eg: Pandora's box) or a dropped "i" (eg: it is raining; it's raining).

    1. Re:PCs, not PC's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They usually check the grammar right after they check the facts of the story submitted ;)

    2. Re:PCs, not PC's by gujo-odori · · Score: 1
      They usually check the grammar right after they check the facts of the story submitted

      Does that come before or after they check for dupes?

    3. Re:PCs, not PC's by Tingler · · Score: 1

      Does that come before or after they check for dupes?

      Silly Rabbit, they don't check for dupes.

    4. Re:PCs, not PC's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The apostophe only means "belonging to" (eg: Pandora's box) or a dropped "i" (eg: it is raining; it's raining).


      And this is why I read Slashdot: for the grammar lessons! Until now, I did nit know that an apostrophe signalled a dropped "i" -- this should nit be ignored by any slashdot reader. I mean, would nit any of us benefit from this advice? I know it could nit hurt for any of us to learn a thing or two. Are nit we all humble enough to pick up a new fact occasionally? Can it we all recognize how important this is? We id all do well to learn and follow this simple rule.

      I im sure we ire all in debt to the poster for sharing this with us. Do nit you all think so?

      (By the way, is there a punctuation symbol to denote a dropped "r" as in "apostophe" in the parent post?)
    5. Re:PCs, not PC's by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      in the words of someone far better versed in grammar than i am...

      If you want to be possesive it's just I T S, if it's supposed to be a contraction it's I T apostrophe S

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    6. Re:PCs, not PC's by The_reformant · · Score: 1

      incidently it can be something other than a dropped i..for example a dropped g ..it's rainin' or a dropped a and d as in rock 'n' roll.

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    7. Re:PCs, not PC's by paj1234 · · Score: 1

      Well spotted. I spelt "apostrophe" wrong! That will teach me for posting at 2 am.

  19. Windows 2000 Flushes. by 0xffffffff · · Score: 0

    For when you dump core.

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  20. #2 should take 2 minutes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If #2 takes more than two minutes, then something is wrong--most likely, your diet. The idea of having a book or reading material in the bog has unfortunately reinforced idea that a long sit is normal.. it is not.

    1. Re:#2 should take 2 minutes. by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1
      Speaking of defecation processing time, here's a little speculation spawned by all this: CPUs and GPUs obtain faster processing using parallel pipelines. No organic creature I know of has multiple parallel intestines. Imagine how having them could speed up ingestion of food into the bloodstream. For instance, a runner with this mutation could refuel and rehydrate almost instantly partway through a race. You would think this might have developed as an evolutionary advantage because it enables a hunter to more quickly eat prey then move on to avoid being attacked by other hunters attracted by the kill.

      I suppose someone will point out that this has already been done on Star Trek, or maybe American Idol.

    2. Re:#2 should take 2 minutes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah you need two mouths to keep up throwing up while watching american idol

  21. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  22. Re:First post by flithm · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If there was a way you could get -2 I would mod you down again. Since I can't do that I'll settle for having to use my mod points on another story.

  23. Useful by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now if you run out of toilet paper while on the throne, you can order refills on the internet and listen to your favorite music while you wait. You just need to add a pneumatic tube to the front door for delivery.

  24. Soldering? by gblues · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If "a little soldering" is required, it is NOT built-in. I'm not even sure "some assembly required" is broad enough to describe it, since a soldering iron isn't something everyone has (compared to screwdrivers or hammers).

    Nathan

    1. Re:Soldering? by linzeal · · Score: 1

      I have a soldering iron but not a hammer, I do have a hammerin' rock though.

  25. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for shareing.

  26. Wait 'til the programming catches up.. by Anonymous+Meoward · · Score: 1

    "Thanks for watching CNBC's Power Dump with Maria Bartiromo..."

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  27. Where does the LCD come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a LCD a standard thing one can get for XBox controllers?

    1. Re:Where does the LCD come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link

      $40.

  28. Worst...Article...Ever by JVert · · Score: 1

    First... Xbox Media center extenders are comming out NEXT MONTH. They are little about 1/2 the size of an xbox and just need a network to your main media center where you will have all the functionality of your media center through the extender.

    Now, the xbox tie in, really really stupid. Microsoft is also making xbox's capable of becoming media center extenders. So just leave the whole xbox in the bathroom and not.. run worthless wires from your bathroom to your computer???

    1. Re:Worst...Article...Ever by alex_ware · · Score: 1

      that sounds interesting?
      is their a link you could share

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    2. Re:Worst...Article...Ever by JVert · · Score: 2, Informative

      Xbox:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacente r/evaluation/devices/xboxextenderkit.mspx

      MCX linup:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacent er/evaluation/devices/default.mspx

      Saw these at CES at the NextGen home. A prefab home wired up with all the latest stuff. The extenders run on RDP but with an extended protocall for the streaming video. The devices themselvs have no tuners but these are expected to be released with MCE 2005 which should support multiple tuners along with high-def (no highdef for the extenders though). I'll be going to the unveiling on Nov 11th.

    3. Re:Worst...Article...Ever by alex_ware · · Score: 1

      id mod you up but i have no mod points and cannot [slashdot rules] SO MOD HIM UP please

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    4. Re:Worst...Article...Ever by anotherone · · Score: 1

      Read the article, there's no X-box involved.

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    5. Re:Worst...Article...Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the rule says you cannot mod up if you've got no mod points? doh

  29. uh oh.... by Styros · · Score: 3, Funny

    PBS? ABC?? ESPN??? Yeah, right! Everybody here knows what this will be used for, and I believe Jenna Jameson will be the star.

  30. Get in the groove by shokk · · Score: 1

    Ah, thank goodness for the Porn Groove genre MP3s to set the theme.

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  31. All in one Kitchen/Bathroom/Entertainment Suite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eat, play XBox, browse the Internet, watch TV, talk on the phone, do everything you need to do and never get off the toilet!

  32. Alternately, by Trelane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you could hook up a mythtv frontend on a mini-itx box with a flat-screen so that you can easily watch movies and tv and stuff while you're in the tub. Yay!

    Actually, this is likely how I'm going to wire my home. One beefy central mythtv box with however many frontends scattered throughout the house.

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  33. I donn't think so by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    "I diddn't bother making an adapter out of an Extension cord"

    He also diddn't bother to run spell check ;)

  34. OOOOH! KVM!! by itomato · · Score: 1

    I couldn't give a crap about the Xbox/Media center application, but DAYUMN!! It sure would be nice to take that little screen & mount it on the back of a ps2/usb keyboard for my mobile KVM needs..

    Hmm..

  35. Sometimes low tech solutions are the best by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    If I really wanted music in my bathroom, there are two systems that I'd seriously consider.

    1. Radio
    Simple low watt FM transmitter. For some this would be as simple as attaching it to the tape monitor output of their AMP/Reciever. Radio recievers are cheep, and many are small.

    2. Line out to a small radio
    Quality better than radio, but requires household wiring. Can be done over cat5.

    3. Speaker wire & cieling mount speakers
    Requires heavier wire depending on your watt requirements.

    But presently.... if I really want music on the crapper... if I really gotta have sound in my shower.

    4. Turn up the volume... really really loud!

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  36. If I have to spend a lot of time in the bathroom by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm too busy concentrating on forcing out that big, long turd to even pay attention to music, much less a game or whathaveyou.

    That or I'm in the shower singing my own media, much to the chagrin of anyone within earshot.

  37. 3Com Audrey by serutan · · Score: 1

    As cool as this hack is, and I personally think it is pretty cool, for my money an old 3Com Audrey makes a much better media system UI. The Audrey is a diskless "internet appliance" from a few years ago that failed in the market. Originally about $500, they are now commonly available on EBay for about $80-90. The screen is larger and you can do a lot more things with it.

    The Audrey looks like a Jetsons style Etch-a-sketch. It was designed to sit on the kitchen table and do email, read the morning news, look up recipes on the Internet, stuff like that. It has has a 7" diagonal 640x480 color touch screen, wireless keyboard, some specialized buttons on the front, 2 USB ports, built in speakers, microphone and audio jack. There is no disk drive; it uses 32 Mb RAM and a 32 Mb Compact Flash card that holds the OS (QNX, an embedded microkernel).

    A thriving Audrey hacking community has evolved; people have replaced the original software with things like mp3 players, a better web browser, home automation stuff, etc. I own five of them, which I use to stream music all over the house. The tiny built-in speakers are crappy but the sound card is decent, and sounds fine plugged into a stereo or boom box. My winter project is going to be to implement a home intercom system using my network of Audreys. I can't say enough good things about this cool toy!

  38. Suggested name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Media Center Bathroom Edition

    1. Re:Suggested name change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      win2crap?

  39. Anyone who spends this much time on the toilet.... by rubberbando · · Score: 2, Funny

    needs a little more fiber in their diet, not entertainment. :P

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  40. Couch with built in toilet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm getting a patent on it!

  41. bathroom extender? by trb · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who thought that this story was going to describe using a media center to act as a bathroom in a remote place? After all the odd USB gadgets you see these days, you never know...

  42. I like my extender better :-) by mistermark · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm running MCE2005 and I like my little solution better...

    My 'extender' (a PSone-display and a miniature remote I actually got as a goodie from the guys from Redmond)

    extender on my desk

    ...and my desk from a distance... a dual AMD AthlonXP with Gentoo Linux (of course! otherwise I wouldn't be reading /. would I?)

    my desk

    ...and for those who are interested, this is/was my testsetup for MCE2005

  43. an easier method using bemused + bluetooth by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

    I think this might be a much easier solution.

    Works great with my cellphone, I can browse the play list on my cellphone, change tracks, adjust volume, all wirelessly.

  44. flushed with excitement by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Now Windows has officially "gone down the tubes".

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  45. Am I the only one... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... who got a little uncomfortable when the word "bathroom" and "extender" were used so close together?

  46. I've always thought that bathrooms are a bit moist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be really bad for any electronics to keep them around in a bathroom when it gets steamed up from the shower?

  47. Re:Need Some Wood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people really make me want to vote for Bush. I haven't seen very many OT anti-Kerry tirades.