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Robots Do The Darndest Things

alito writes "15 years ago they couldn't get them to walk, now they are rollerskating (video). Read more about the 2004 Intelligent Robotics and Systems conference in this New Scientist article, and at the conference's site. Also shown at IROS, a childbirth simulator for obstetricians, a capsule that crawls through your intestines, and a 3-mm long swimming robot. (No, I don't get paid by New Scientist.)"

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  1. Duping yourself now timothy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:Duping yourself now timothy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, check the links. The story about the intestine robot is a dupe. It links to the EXACT same New Scientist story. If he were actually editing, he could've removed it.

    2. Re:Duping yourself now timothy? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Seeing as we recently had a dupe on the same page with two articles between them, we can probably make some assumptions about how much 'editing' goes on.

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  2. I'd really like to see... by Ismenio · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bill Cosby interviewing some of those 'bots' :)

  3. As long as they don't get them confused... by datastalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...we should be okay...

    Doctor: Okay, put the robot in.

    Patient: Doc, this feels a little funny...

    Doctor: Nurse, which robot did you use?

    Nurse: Oh dear god, I think I used the roller skating one!

    Patient: AAaagggh...

    Doctor: D'oh, there goes another one!

    Nurse: Well, I'm off to check on the obstetrical robot!

    Doctor: Make sure that one's not wearing rollerskates!

  4. what's the point? by wintermute1000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, not only did I not think that robot was great at roller-skating, I just can't think of any real use for a roller-skating robot even if it were a real ace at the sport. Meanwhile, my house could use cleaning, and there aren't any robots to do it for me (well, Roomba et al, but I'm talking real cleaning). I think there needs to be a reevaluation of priorities in the robot design field. Who needs another goddamned dancing/skating/stairclimbing robot?

    1. Re:what's the point? by horrens · · Score: 5, Insightful

      actually it's a pracitce in balance
      if you ever have tried rollerskating then you should know that it requires quite good balance and body control

    2. Re:what's the point? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 2, Funny

      all well & good making robots for miniscule applications, like the rollerskating one, or a birth trainer, but what about making ones that can help ALL people?

      Last time I checked a very large proportion of the population was born in some way.

    3. Re:what's the point? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

      Last time I checked a very large proportion of the population was born in some way.

      I'm pretty sure my ex girlfriend wasn't so much "born" as she was "spawned"...

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    4. Re:what's the point? by arose · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just because the Quake bot looks female and plays with you doesn not mean she's your girlfriend.

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    5. Re:what's the point? by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is to demonstrate advancements in balanced mobility. Its very difficult to get a robot to walk well with anything resembling 'legs'. Roller skates introduce lots of unpredictable uncertainty into walking, and to have a control system fast enough to detect and adapt to the changes is very impressive.

      As most things in our world are built around our type of mobility (legs), an autonomous real world robot will interact with us and our world far better if it emulates our system of mobility.

      Thats the point.

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  5. IROS 2004 website by News+for+nerds · · Score: 3, Informative

    is here.

  6. Rollerbot Mirror by hardlined · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a mirror for the Rollerbot Video:

    http://shell.athenet.net/~files/rollerbot.wmv

    It'll probably get slashdotted too, but to sources are better than one right?

  7. Rollerskating robots.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you may be missing the point. Rollerskating, running, walking, what have you, are important fundamental tasks that must be worked out before you will *have* a robot that can do something advanced like wash your dishes or walk you dog. If it can't rollerskate with perfection how do you expect a robot to perfrom a mundane task competently. I for one welcome rollerskating robots.

  8. Robot isn't autonomous, its remotley controlled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The robots is a small version of the Honda robot, both are not autonomous as they are controlled by a human operator. Just like UAV with a human on ground guiding it with a joystick.

    These Japanese are playing stricks with the media saying they have advanced robots when in fact they are nothing more than radio controlled "toys"!

    1. Re:Robot isn't autonomous, its remotley controlled by hardlined · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually Asimo (the honda robot) can self adjust its footsteps while being controlled. Or it can be preprogrammed for a specific task, not needing any control.

      http://science.howstuffworks.com/asimo6.htm

    2. Re:Robot isn't autonomous, its remotley controlled by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The robots(sic) is a small version of the Honda robot

      No, that robot is the Sony robot. A completely different beast.
      Japan is funding research into humanoid robot devellopment, and so all the big companies are develloping their own.

      Honda was the first to get a humanoid walking robot. By now its smaller, runs on batteries and they even programmed it to recognise faces and a few words of japanese. You can instruct it verbally to follow you around, its quite an achievement.

      Sony has their doll sized robots who can dance and run around and allmost skate (its not really skating), and it can mimic the movement of a surfer on a mechanised surf board. It impressed me by its ability to keep its balanced when lightly shoved, and to get back up if it falls down.

      Toyota has a trumpet playing robot, who was on wheels at first, but they pretty much had to give it legs after the other two did it. And in doing so also made a sort of robot-legged chair, the demo video of which is worth seeing for the look of great fear in its test pilot's eyes, despite his helmet and four point harness.

      As far as commercial applications, Honda rents its robot to companies and museums for its coolness factor, and has plans to sell it as a household appliance for the elderly. Its the size of a child and I think they aim to have it able to perform the simple tasks an old person might give a child to do as chores. Pick stuff up, help them out of bed and whatnot.
      Sony are apparently going for the high-tech doll market, a follow-up to its robot dog product line.
      Toyota...I dunno, superhuman robot orchestra? They seem to be a "mee too" effort.

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  9. 3mm long swimming robots? by moosesocks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who thought of The Matrix immediately after reading the blurb about "3mm swimming robots"

    scary.....

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  10. Getting small by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Funny
    From the article:
    "Effectively we would like to enable the doctor to become very small," he says.
    I think Steve Martin has already beaten them to the punch.
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  11. Mirror by paul248 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a mirror of the video. Not sure how fast it'll be.

  12. EEG controlled robots by gihan_ripper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    Millan is developing robotics that can be controlled using EEG signals from the brain. He hopes eventually to enable disabled and paralyzed people to control robotic wheelchairs or prosthetics in this way.

    Looks like Professor Xavier may follow shortly!

    But seriously, this does seem to be a real potential benefit for all humans. We will effectively be able to extend our own bodies using robotic technology, perhaps controlling figher aircraft and other complex machinery with our minds.

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  13. We're headed for trouble by beware+of+the+robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my opinion, it is not a question of *when* we'll get trouble from the robots we're going to create, but what we're going to do about it.

    We might as well start planning right now. The article in the posting, as well as numerous other reports, show that the robot mechanics is getting better and better. What is lacking, is some real AI. I think that within 30-50 years, if not before, this "problem" will also be solved.

    That's when trouble starts. As Isaac Asimov shows in his literary "experiments" with the three laws of robotics, even *with* benign top priority imperatives NOT TO HARM humans, we may not be safe.

    Given the mechanics and the AI, how will robots become a threat to us? Imagine a scientist in a robot laboratory sometime in the future. He/she has all the parts needed to produce the ultimate robot: agile and completely autonomous. I think the temptation will be too much for *any* person. It will be impossible to refrain from releasing a completely free and autonomous robot into society to see what happens. Imagine the excitement: This is comparable to a second creation; it is almost like being God.

    Naturally, the robot will have a strong need for self preservation. So it will start to secure land, natural resources, labour, spare parts, factories, and so on, and build other robots and societies to fulfill these and other purposes.

    This is when conflicts will start. Wars often start as a result of a disagreement over natural resources or land.

    Ideas, anyone?

    1. Re:We're headed for trouble by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

      robotics, even *with* benign top priority imperatives NOT TO HARM humans

      The army doesn't call them robots, they call them "unmanned vehicles", but they are heading towards autonomy, and they are carrying "payloads".

      Killer robots aren't a possibility, they are a reality (and besidses, industrial robots have accidently killed humans already).

      Naturally, the robot will have a strong need for self preservation.

      Naturally.
      But the robot is not a creation of nature, and so might very well not be endowed with this trait. We might motivate them to be slightly suicidal by engineering a permanent pain in all the diodes down its left side. That way, even if it has a brain the size of a planet, it will never muster up the drive to enslave mankind.

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    2. Re:We're headed for trouble by groomed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is wrong on so many levels.

      First, the practical problems involved in creating a robot that can autonomously participate in human society is far from being solved. People have been saying for over 40 years that the solution was 30 to 50 years in the future. I wouldn't expect it to arrive in a 1000 years, if ever. And yes, I study AI.

      Second, as Sartre observed, "Hell is other people". A single super robot on the loose is no match for our puny weapons. To be effective, he'd have to enlist a following. But since he's alone, those followers would have to be recruited amongst humans. But how on Earth is that ever going to happen?

      Third, you make it all sound like a video game. "Secure land, natural resources, labour...". You took a page straight out of Civilization, there.

      Fourth, there are a lot more pressing issues to worry about than what happens when a breed of superintelligent robots wants to dominate the planet.

  14. I'd like to see . . . by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'd like to see how good these roller skating robots could handle a good solid roller hockey body check. Now that would be a real test of robotic balance.

    Seriously, the robot dancer/skater/stairclimber are all interesting but they run through what I assume is a static algorithm . . . what about inducing some disturbance and writing an algorithm to reject the disturbance to the robot's balance system.

  15. When we think "robot", we think "android". by reporter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When we think "robot", we invariably think "android": a mechanical device that appears like a human being and mimics some of its actions. We are fascinated by androids for the very same reason that we are fascinated by apes. They look like us.

    The attraction for androids is only skin deep. Today's androids are just a mass of wires. Getting a robot to walk, shake hands, play chess, etc. is substantially different from a sentient machine.

    Sentience impresses me, but a mechanical shaking hand does not.

  16. That robot is NOT rollerskating by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its walking akwardly while wearing wheels on its feet.

    Which, to anybody who's learned to skate, is of course remembered fondly as those first steps before you learned why they made you wear those uncomfortable wrist guards.

    Its a nice little robotic achievement, but its not skating.
    Actual skating would involve a phase of sliding along between "steps".

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    1. Re:That robot is NOT rollerskating by dhudson0001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not responding directly to anyone in particular, but to the whole coalition of /. folks running around this topic who imho have failed to recognise this moment for what it is..I really just couldn't read any further through the thread w/out responding... Just everyone slow down for a moment....We have a Robot...and it IS skating around on a table like a very agile small human might, and It doesn't take a extreme leap of vision to see what is up next...I don't know about the rest of you..but watching that video all I could think about is how smooth that little guy looked...perhaps some of us should consider watching it again (post-s/d effect)and notice there IS a marked step_slide movement going on..also check out the nice sway of the "hip" joint-whatever... Really people....this whole thread makes me wonder when did we become so unappreciative/spoiled that we are unable to enjoy this very cool moment without the high-faulting critical attitude..Look..I for one have no doubt in 15 years I will look at the bot who cleans my house,washes my clothes..etc..and recall fondly the first time that I saw ASIMOV WALK...then I will prob remember that darned rollerskating bot next.... and I will enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't blindly pass up either page in robotic-ancestery/history with nothing more than a sideways glance and a off-colored comment about how silly the whole thing was. Some seem to want to forget how truly extraordinary these times we live in are...

  17. Coral cache of Mirror by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oops fixed link.

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  18. Slashcharge effect! by holzp · · Score: 2, Funny

    (No, I don't get paid by New Scientist.)
    Obviously, you get paid by their web host who is now charging them $5 a gig overage charges.

  19. Lessons from the FUTURE! by arcite · · Score: 2, Funny

    Narrator [in movie]: Ordinary human dating. It's enjoyable and it serves an important purpose. [He turns the table over and a crying baby appears. He turns it back again.] But when a human dates an artificial mate, there is no purpose. Only enjoyment. And that leads to...tragedy.

    [The woman behind him turns into a blank robot and the man downloads a celebrity onto it.]

    Billy [in movie]: Neato! A Marylin Monroebot!

    Monroebot [in movie]: Ooo! You're a real dreamboat (mechanical voice) Billy Everyteen!

    Narrator [in movie]: Harmless fun? Let's see what happens next!

    [The scene cuts to Billy's bedroom. He is kissing the Monroebot. Enter his mother.]

    Billy's Mom [in movie]: Billy, do you want to walk your dog?

    Billy [in movie]: No thank Mom, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.

    [Enter his dad.]

    Billy's Dad [in movie]: Billy, do want to get a paper route and earn some extra cash?

    Billy [in movie]: No thanks dad, I'd rather make out with my Monroebot.

    [Enter his girlfriend, Mavis, from the café.]

    Mavis [in movie]: Billy, do you want to come over tonight? We can make out together.

    Billy [in movie]: Gee Mavis, your house is across the street, that's an awfully long way to go for making out.

    Narrator [in movie]: Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily Billy would work hard to make money from his paper route then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, thus earning the slim chance of performing the reproductive act. But in a world where teens can date robots why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? Let's take a look at Billy's planet a year later. [The scene changes and a foam hand rolls across an empty American football field] Where are all the football stars? [The foam hand continues to drift across an empty laboratory.] And where are the biochemists? [The scene changes to a split screen of a pair of human and robots making out on beds.] They are trapped - trapped in a soft, vice-like grip of robot lips. All civilisation was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. And sometimes the same sex. Now, let's skip forward 80 years into the future. Where is Billy?

    [The scene changes to a post-apocalyptic world. Billy is an aged man but he is still with his Monroebot and still making out with her.]

    Billy [in movie]: Farewell!

    [He dies.]

    Narrator [in movie]: The next day Billy's planet was destroyed by aliens. [In the movie a fleet of flying saucers destroy buildings with a quick laser shot.] Have you guessed the name of Billy's planet? It was Earth. Don't Date Robots!

  20. Personally, I'm not that impressed by kai.chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Making the QRIO skate is not really a big technological achievement considering that the leg motions have already been pre-programmed to get the robot to walk. It is really a matter of calculating the weights and trying to balance the robot while moving the legs to propel the robot.

    Now, if they can program a neural network that changes the leg and arm movements in relation to a physics model, and have the robot learn how to walk and skate by trail-and-error, then I'd be more impressed. THAT is what we should aim for nowadays.

    1. Re:Personally, I'm not that impressed by rebelcool · · Score: 2, Interesting
      many of the robotic dog soccer teams reprogram their AIBOs to speed up the walk/run. This requires several hours of machine learning and self-taught 'trial and error' due to minute variations in each robot's mechanical conditions.

      Its kind of creepy to walk into a dark room and hear the machinations of a dozen little robots walking back and forth for hours as they learn to walk faster.

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  21. Speaking of birthing simulators by MmmDee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Being an ob/gyn myself, I read the article on the birthing simulator. Reminds me of the Star Trek episode when Warf delivers a baby and says, "That's not the way it happened in the simulator." I wonder if the simulator squirts body fluids, yells and curses like real life. There's just no telling where techonology will go next. Prostate exam simulator?

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  22. Not everyone on /. is using Windows by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please save us some time bringing up a player that cannot work. I have to do a search to find RealPlayer 10.

    If it's windows media or apple player only, some us using only Linux would know not to bother.

  23. They're still not doing dynamic balance by Animats · · Score: 2
    The Sony and Honda robots are still using the zero moment point approach. This is a 35 year old way to define "stability". It's better than the old "center of mass must be over the base at all times" approach, which leads to windup toys with big feet and very slow walking. But it's worse than Raibert's legged running work from the 1980s.

    Because of this, legged robots are back to walking, rather than jogging or running. The field has regressed since Raibert and Hodgins.

  24. SOSDD by Mulletproof · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you kidding? The process is as automated as possible. The reader submits story and a script assigns a 1d20 probability in that story being selected (based on the karma and subscription status of the submitter, of course). If it manages to pass that AC rating check, the script assigns the story an editor name at random and publishes it to the front page. Of course, stories occationaly roll and natural 20, wence they are kicked to a live editor for approval. Obviously this isn't a common occurance as you can tell.

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  25. prostate simulation by conrius · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/vrlab/publications/pap ers/1999_ieee_tbe.pdf , prostate examination simulator, there is one for the simulation of the female pelvis too .... no telling of what can be built given the time , money and idle brains of grad students

    1. Re:prostate simulation by MmmDee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ha, well the article's picture relieved my mind a bit regarding where my imagination was going with this (for reference, google on "Sybian"). In medical school I was amazed that living models (male/female) are trained/paid to allow hordes of medical students do various breast/pelvic/rectal exams on them. Some volunteer. I understand that in days gone by, fellow classmates "volunteered" to let other classmates examine them (rough on those early women admitted to medical school).

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