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Catan Online Set to Debut This Month

Thanks to GamingReport.com for the news that http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=14646>The Settlers of Catan Online will make its international online debut at Spiel '04 in Essen, Germany. "Catan Online will launch exclusively at MSN Games this winter. With MSN Games' base of 30 million registered users worldwide, more people than ever before will have access to this global gaming phenomenon." Besides being able to check out the game in depth, MSN is going to be running several tournaments and exhibitions of the game.

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  1. Open source version by Tim+Macinta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if they are aware of the open source (GPL) version of Settlers of Catan. Some guy wrote it for his thesis because writing the AI for a game where negotiation plays such a big role posed an interesting challenge. I was addicted to this version for several weeks when I came across it last year and I'd hate to see it disappear (but on the other hand, I don't think it was ever officially sanctioned by the owners of Settlers).

    1. Re:Open source version by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's also Sea3D, and a number of other open source implementations.

    2. Re:Open source version by mattdm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention Gnocatan. The AI is poor (I haven't tried the Java version you link to, so I can't compare) and the UI a bit clumsy, but it works pretty well as a networked game.

  2. no No NO... by nick-less · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll never signup for a msn account....

  3. Arg! by Glenstorm · · Score: 2, Funny

    First Halo. . . Now Settlers. . .
    Damn you Microsloft!!

  4. Never before has a publisher tried so hard... by disc-chord · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never before has a publisher tried so hard to avoid showing any screenshots on their website.

  5. This would have been first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I lacked the requisite number of Ores to attain it.

  6. The story is uninformative. by Staos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Care to tell us what this game is about?

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    1. Re:The story is uninformative. by Zonk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Settlers of Catan is a German Board game created by Mayfair Games. In it, you use cardboard tiles to randomly assemble an island (Catan). You then begin the game by placing two settlements on the board. Each tile on the island represents a resource, with a number between 1 and 12. You roll a pair of dice, and the number that shows up dictates what resources "appear" for that round. Resources are used to purchase roads, settlements, and cultural improvements.

      It's very simple to learn, but *very* hard to master, and is possibly one of the best board games ever made.

    2. Re:The story is uninformative. by stlthVector · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlers_of_Catan

      Settlers of Catan is a board game that started in Germany and is huge in Europe. Apparently there are leages for it over there. Myself and many friends of mine play settlers often.

      It's a great board game because there is a great deal of veriablity from one game to the next. This is due to the board being composed of tiles that change every game and the die roll. Depening on the way the tiles are layed out (randomly), certin resources become more or less valuable and this changes how one needs to play the game. The object of the game is to be the first person to get 10 victory points.

      During the game there is a lot of player interaction as resources are bartered back and forth.

      A game of regular settlers (there are expansions and variations) with people who know how to play typically takes from 30 to 60 minutes.

      The game has some similarities to Monopoly and Risk but is really a completly different kind of game. Most people to like Risk seem to really enjoy settlers.

    3. Re:The story is uninformative. by Khelder · · Score: 4, Informative

      I really like strategy games, and many of the games I like don't appeal to people who aren't really into games. Settlers of Catan is a great game in part because it appeals to people who aren't "gamers".

      I think part of the appeal is that it is pretty simple to learn. Also, although it is competitive, it is not very confrontational or combative compared to most other strategy games. For example, stuff you build (settlements, roads, cities) can't be destroyed by other players. (At least in the basic game set). And, you have to cooperate in the form of trading resources with others, at least in the beginning, or you'll never get anywhere.

      I wouldn't say that it's all that hard to master, esp. compared with games like Tigris & Euphrates or Vinci, but it definitely has a high enough level of strategy to be fun even for fairly hard-core gamers.

    4. Re:The story is uninformative. by Saltine+Cracker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Settlers of Catan is a German Board game created by Mayfair Games.

      As a point of fact, Settlers of Catan was originally published by Kosmos as Die Siedler von Catan and created by Klaus Teuber. See more information Here. Mayfair Games has republished it (3 editions I believe) in English, here in the USA.

    5. Re:The story is uninformative. by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone ever play Carcassonne? It might be newer than Catan but it shares some very similar characteristics. I'm not sure if they have any relationship or if it's just because they are both German style games. In Carcassonne the game starts out with 1 landscape tile (could be part of a city, farmland, road, or water feature) and everyone takes turns placing 1 tile and can place 1 "follower" (a guy) if they choose (you have a total of 6 or 7 followers, but there are many more tiles - 71 in total). The followers give you control over certain stretches of a certain type of tile. After all the tiles are placed the game ends and you tally up everyone's score based on what areas they control. Most points win. The game is based on the French city Carcassone (I guess the Germans spent a lot of time there :D). Additional information can be found here:

      http://boardgamecentral.com/games/carcassonne.ht ml

      The game also has a bunch of expansion sets to expand the number of players, add tile types, and to add some new types of followers (originally there was only 1 type).

      I've never heard about Catan before this, but based on my experience with Carcassonne and the description of Catan, I think I'll try to pick up a set.

    6. Re:The story is uninformative. by Specter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree whole-heartedly on the appeal to non-hardcore gamers. My wife, who usually rolls her eyes at this sort of stuff, is a a newly converted hard core addict, as is the rest of my family. Last Christmas I think at least 3-4 new sets of the game were exchanged. Even my Mom puts down the grand-kids when we break the board out.

      This is a very very fun game.

      I'm not so hot on the Knights and Barbarians expansion as I feel it makes the game tedious (in a bad way), but the base set has plenty of replay value and this is truly a game where it's not over until it's over. I've seen some pretty amazing come-backs from players that everyone else had written off.

      Anybody need sheep? Please?

  7. Maybe we'll see Bohnanza Online too... by Saltine+Cracker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps Uwe Rosenberg will keep up his fued with Klaus Teuber. Each time Teuber released a new expansion/version to Settlers, Rosenberg released another card game/expansion to Bohnanza. Bohnanza is much better than settlers IMHO, but then that's because I like Uwe's wit.

  8. Future of online gaming? by Washizu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really think the future of online gaming is not going to be 3D accelerated shooters. These types of games appeal to a much larger audience and almost everyone has the hardware to handle it.

    Some of my favorite online games?
    Kingdom of Loathing - Hilarious multiplayer RPG
    The Game Show - A daily phrase puzzle similar to family fued.
    Diplomacy - Famous war game without random elements.
    Global Combat - Risk-like war game, except all moves are made at the same time.

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    1. Re:Future of online gaming? by The+Kow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I didn't want to reply to this because I wanted to mod this discussion, but I can't resist:

      You may not realize it, but there's a huge, huge, huge presence of online games that are NOT Counter-strike (or Doom 3, or any other FPS). I'm a huge FPS fan, always have been, but online gaming certainly is moving in other directions - while still progressing heavily in the FPS market, if for no other reason than vendors wanting to push a viable competitive vehicle for them to show off hardware on.

      Sims Online, the virtual morass of MMORPGs out there, Yahoo! Games, Starcraft/Warcraft 3, etc. By the way, I'm playing in the WoW beta, and I highly suspect it will make the biggest splash in the MMORPG world since Everquest, if not since Ultima Online virtually pioneered the genre.

      While I'm on the topic, Blizzard for best game developing studio of the modern gaming era? I can't think of anyone who comes close to their unparalleled success in multiple genres, and if WoW works out as I suspect it will, the gap will just widen.

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    2. Re:Future of online gaming? by Kaimelar · · Score: 2, Informative
      Wired Magazine had an article a while back that agrees with you:

      The Wrinkled Future of Online Gaming

  9. BrettSpielWelt has had this for a while... by GTarrant · · Score: 2, Informative
    One has been able to play the Settlers of Catan (a fun board game, albeit one that seems to fall by the wayside for many 'serious gamers' when they move to other German-style games) online for a while. BrettSpielWelt (BSW), http://www.brettspielwelt.de/ has a number of games of this sort - Catan, Puerto Rico, San Juan, Princes of Florence, as well as some abstracts, like Dvonn and Yinsh by Brum.

    For those that really enjoy board games, it's a fun place (and there are many people that speak English there too).

  10. Re:As German by Ignignot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You don't have to be German to enjoy this game. I have a feeling that most slashdot readers will have played this game - it is a lot of fun and is a much more matured board game than something like monopoly. Also, it is constructive (you are trying to get 10 points) than destructive (you are trying to make everyone else bankrupt). A fantastic game, IMO. I happen to work at a commodities trading company, and people here play it every once in awhile. A word of advice: do not play this game against an actual commodities trader. They're crazy good.

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  11. Re:Much as we all hate MS... by igrp · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Indeed. This is not just about bandwidth and infrastructure though. It's about using your NBR (name brand recognition) to establish yourself in a new niche market. The point is that you get a head start, attract a lot of users and watch your niche market evolve into a major money maker.

    According to this article in Investor's Business Daily, "sales of fee-based content services on the Internet, including games, sports video and online dating, will reach $5.4 billion by 2007". Now, that's some serious dough. And Microsoft is doing what they're good at: supressing stuff they don't like while keeping all their bases covered.

    They already have XBox Live which is a huge hit because they have basically no competition (another example of Microsoft's early-positioning). It's no biggie if something they invest in turns out to be a failure. And that's not because they have all the money in the world. It's because one idea that works easily makes up for 5 failed ones.

  12. Brettspeilwelt? by boinger · · Score: 3, Informative
    What's wrong with the one on Brettspielwelt? It works perfectly for me (and if you can play it on Linux, you can likely play it on anything).

    I didn't know the games there were a secret. :)

    There's also Carcasonne ("CC"), Lost Cities, Go, Puerto Rico, etc, etc.

    I hope I'm not inviting a hard slashdotting if they can't take it, but it sure would be nice to have a few more players on there with some regualrity :)

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  13. Given the topic... by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Funny
    I, for, one, welcome our new resource-stealing thief overlords, and would like to remind them that as a trusted poster on Slashdot, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their 3/1 brick ports.

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    1. Re:Given the topic... by Alsee · · Score: 2, Informative

      3/1 brick ports

      Poser. Everyone knows brick ports are 2/1.
      Chuckle.

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  14. This is especially interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are at least three different environments for playing settlers of catan online.

    http://www.s3dconnector.net/ is a very nice client, with lots of options for choosing 'house rules'.
    Also because of the ladder setup, many people don't quit just because they're losing, a perpetual problem with onlinegaming environments.

    http://solito.free.fr/catane/ is a nice client, but there's no rating system, so not so many people use it.

    http://settlers.cs.northwestern.edu/ is the 'original' site. It lacks the nicer graphics, but is often heavily loaded, with lots of players around, (when it's up)

  15. Ah, Settlers of Catan... by g33kgirl · · Score: 4, Funny

    The game that gave us the unforgettable quote: "I have wood for your sheep!"

    They actually have a t-shirt with that quote on it. Gamers giggle, and everyone else gives you a lot of room.

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  16. Re:German style? by Bohnanza · · Score: 4, Informative
    OK, I'll bite. What's a "German-style" game?

    Most of the best board games published these days come from Germany. I don't really know why. These games share common features:

    Quick playing - usually no more than an hour or so,

    No players are eliminated during play,

    There is usually no "combat" and if there is it's only a small part of the game,

    Simple rules but the games require careful strategy,

    The games are usually not "simulations" of anything but rather have a "theme" pasted over clever mechanics,

    Usually luck does NOT determine the winner,

    Nice components, usually including wood pieces,

    Go to http://www.boardgamegeek.com and check out the top-rated games.

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  17. Catan online by webhead04 · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://settlers.cs.northwestern.edu/ This is the java applet version of basic catan, four player max and you are able to play against bots. Two positives are that you can play solo(against 3 bots) and since it's an applet there's nothing to download/install(play from work.. who? me?!?) Using wancatan and finding players via wannagame you can play with any or all of the expansions, different maps, rules, sounds, dice roll tracker, more players etc.

  18. Oh NONONONONO by sense_net · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will never be productive again. Please don't roll a 7.

  19. A much better boardgame portal by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a much better boardgame portal. You need to configure it to use english instead of german (if that's your language of choice), but it has a great community and lots and lots of german board games. If you aren't familiar with classic titles like Saint Petersburg, Puerto Rico, and Carcassone, you should really check it out. These games have been beautifly adapted to the java interface, so anyone can play with any OS with java support.

    The german style of boardgame is interesting. The games are under an hour, you may be down, but you're never out, and it'll be your turn soon. The are easy to learn but hard to master. Unlike the American designers, the germans don't like direct conflict or random chance. Instead, there's a lot of resource denial and bidding strategy.

    Brettspeilwelt has a metagame that advances players in rank. Experienced players have more control over games, and can build game rooms of their own. Generally, playing space, in terms of server resources is optimally allocated this way. There's a lot of prestige in offering the new game and so forth. Also, the Germans are very polite gamers. No cussing or racial slurs, just "good luck and have fun" type comments. If you like boardgames like Settlers, this is the place to be.

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  20. How realistic? by jandrese · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are they going to make this like the real Settlers of Catan where the dice that come with the box seem to skew (and change the skew randomly?).

    I don't know how many games of Catan I've played where the dice suddenly seemed to start rolling 2,3, and 4 over and over again then suddenly start rolling a huge long string of 9, 10, 11... Around here the Catan dice are infamous for that behavior.

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    1. Re:How realistic? by waytoomuchcoffee · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know how many games of Catan I've played where the dice suddenly seemed to start rolling 2,3, and 4 over and over again then suddenly start rolling a huge long string of 9, 10, 11... Around here the Catan dice are infamous for that behavior.

      Um, ALL sets of dice are infamous for clumping behavior. You might want to look at a basic book of statistics.

      A famous example of clumping in real life (and how we perceive it) can be demonstrated by convincing two of your friends to perform a little experiment. Have one toss a coin 100 times and write down the results. Have the other write up a "random" assortment of 100 heads and tails that they came up with in their head. Don't let them tell you which person used which method, instead tell them you will figure it out. Ninety-five percent of the time, the person flipping the coin will generate a series of seven or more heads or tails in a row. You almost never see this in the list the other person makes up, as they invariable think that seven or more in a row will never happen.

      In terms of what to expect in a game like Settlers, similar clumping of production numbers will occur. Just like the person making up the heads/tails, this will seem extremely unlikely (or really bad/good luck), but it isn't; what seems to be really strange clumping is in fact quite common.

      You have to assume weird clumping will happen, and plan for it. For example, consider spreading out your production centers in the early game onto different numbers so this has less of a chance of happening to you. This is especially important if you are playing a strategy that emphasizes cities (i.e. the ore-grain strategy), as you will have less production centers (and by extension, be located next to fewer production numbers) to begin with, and therefore are at a greater risk from clumping.

  21. Re:Boring? by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I haven't played it often enough, but Catan feels like "Civilization for Pre-schoolers on Valium".

    There are significant disadvantages to Civilization. First it takes 6+ hours to play to completion. Second if you fall behind one turn you're behind forever and might as well go home because you've lost. Third, there is no randomness to position, so that every game is much like every other game (imagine playing CivIII with only one possible map and starting positions).

    On the other hand, Cataan can be played in as short as one or two hours, the outcome is never assured, and every game is different.

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  22. On randomness by Mablung · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think one of the things that many people like about it, whether they know it or not, is the die rolling. It all depends on what you consider fun.
    If your idea of fun is to see who is best, or who has the best strategy, or who has the maddest skilz, then you don't want an element of chance. But for alot of people, that element of chance gives you a kick of adrenaline even when you've worked out your optimal strategy. You can still play with your brainiac friends (who will always beat you at chess) and still hope to win. Why do you think gambling is so addictive?

  23. Not as good by Bequita · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's no way this can be as good as playing the actual board game, because you miss out on the family dynamics of game play, such as watching your mom chuck the dice at your dad, or one's husband deliberately putting the thief on your only stone hex, and then somehow drawing the only stone card in your hand, as if he could see where it was... Not that I speak from experience or anything. No, not me...

    Somethings are just meant to be played in the actual world.

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  24. Missing Moderation Options by Thedalek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not to nitpick, but "-1, Inaccurate."

    Settlers of Catan is the English edition of Die Siedler von Catan, a German Board game created by Klaus Teuber, and published by Kosmos verlag GmbH in Germany, and Mayfair Games in most of the English-speaking world.

    In it, you randomly build a hexagonal island out of smaller, hexagonal tiles. Each tile represends a resource (wool/sheep, lumber/wood, brick/clay, ore/stone, grain/food: These are some of the names that the five resources are known by), each with a number from 2-12. Etc, etc, etc. You know what, just look here, or here.

    Part of the appeal of Settlers is its scalability: For beginners starting out for the first time, there's the basic set, which remains fun several plays later. More advanced players, or those craving a bit more variety, can snap in the Seafarers expansion, which adds the option for larger maps, alternate victory conditions, and scenario-specific points and goals, while those wanting a more micromanaged approach can try the Cities & Knights expansion, which allows players to build up their specific cities with improvements, and generally mess with the core game.

    The popularity curve tends to favor Seafarers over the basic set and Cities & Knights, but they all have a pretty strong following.

    Also of note are the other Catan games, including:

    Starfarers of Catan
    Starship Catan
    Settlers of Catan Card Game
    Candamir: The First Settlers (which is not yet released or even translated).

    Then there's the novel, the computer games, and the whiskey bottle edition. No, seriously.

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