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Microsoft Can't DRM Docs Fast Enough

grcumb writes "As part of the DoJ Anti-trust settlement, Microsoft was ordered to provide freely available documentation for its communications protocols. InfoWorld is reporting that not only are they late in delivering the required APIs, but it's because they want to convert everything to the read-only Web Archive (MHT) format, which can only be viewed in MSIE. InfoWorld reports that, "In July, Microsoft said it would complete revisions of the documentation required by the court in the autumn, a season generally reckoned to include the months of September, October and November in North America, but may now have to extend work on a beta or test version of the new documentation into December...." So we have to wait longer for a format that makes the content harder for developers (developers! developers!) to use. Maybe they didn't read the documentation ..."

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  1. MHTML is RFC 2557 by RupW · · Score: 5, Informative

    RFC 2557: MIME Encapsulation of Aggregate Documents, such as HTML (MHTML)

    There's a Mozilla KB entry about MHTML support and open bugs for load and save (IDs 18764 and 40873; bugzilla won't accept links from Slashdot). Plus the maf extension to support MHTML.

    1. Re:MHTML is RFC 2557 by acvh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Using compound documents isn't the problem here, it's what the compound documents ARE; one is the documentation, the other is a "publishing license" which is used to encrypt the documentation, and is only usable by the IE Rights Management add-on.

    2. Re:MHTML is RFC 2557 by Threni · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't we just need one machine on the net somewhere to which we can submit these encrypted (for want of a better word) documents and which returns a HTML equivalent?

    3. Re:MHTML is RFC 2557 by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 4, Informative
      If the SDK is binary library files compiled against an MS operating system, with licensing which is incompatible with the Mozilla Public License, then it is far from free or open.

      Just because you don't pay money, doesn't mean it's free.

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  2. Obviously! by haskins_sam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Duh! Being Microsoft, they had to make things harder for developers to use. After all, if they made it easy, it would be a Macintosh.

  3. Microsoft Not Complying? by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am shocked

  4. What's wrong with PDFs? by baldass_newbie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or are they just trying to look slick?

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    1. Re:What's wrong with PDFs? by Karzz1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, Microsoft does not own the PDF format and thus cannot lock you into using their DRM crap with PDF. They needed to create a whole new buggy piece of crap format in order to force you to use IE; at least initially. Not to mention this is typical of Microsoft. Yes, technically they did comply, but they made it as difficult as possible for everyone involved. Reminds me of kindergarten.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with PDFs? by Karzz1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does, Microsoft's childish actions or the whining that Microsoft's not sharing?

      I was simply referring to Microsoft having to have the last word. The DOJ has ordered them to share this documnetation -- that is not up for discussion; however, Microsoft has intentionally made it as difficult as possible for someone who needs this documentation to not only get it, but then to be able to use it. So, to answer your question, I would say it is Microsoft's childish actions that remind me of kindergarten.

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    3. Re:What's wrong with PDFs? by PeanutGallery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they're just testing their boundries. They wanna see if the DoJ has the guts to back up what they say. My advice to the Dept. is they need to come down hard and fast on this as contept of court, or M$ is gonna walk all over them. "If you give a mouse a cookie..."

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    4. Re:What's wrong with PDFs? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, technically they did comply, but they made it as difficult as possible for everyone involved.

      Isn't this contempt of court? Like showing up to pay a fine with pennies in a jar?

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  5. It could be worse... by dorward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The might make them available only in printed form, and only to people who pay an admin fee of a few hundred dollars.

    1. Re:It could be worse... by isorox · · Score: 4, Funny

      It could be worse, they might make them available only in a satanic text, and only to people who pledge their first born to Lord Gates

  6. Freely Available? by Xetrov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ermmm yeah. What part of "freely available" means available only in MSIE?

    The (Developers! Developers!) reference is about the Steve Ballmer Monkey Boy Dance.

  7. manpages, baby! by dubdays · · Score: 4, Funny

    The DoJ should make 'em turn the docs into manpages. You know, just to piss Billy off.

  8. leave it to Mcrosoft by MrRuslan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to slither itself out of something they don't want to do but are ordered to b delays and tactics like this...they are supposed to make things freely avalable thats something they dont want to do but tey have to so they make it as much of a pain in the ass as posible for everyone...too bad the system is more bueracracy and less common sense...

  9. DRM? by blowdart · · Score: 5, Funny
    Microsoft said that it has published the specification for MHT and that it offers a free software development toolkit for the digital rights management system, enabling anyone to develop a new software application to decode and read the files using another browser.

    Well thats ok then. Now where's that format? Oh www.microsoft.com/download/mht-fileformat.mht .....

  10. Why do they bother? by n54 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's mostly text and can be printed right? And then later (if anyone cares enough to do it) scanned into non-DRM documents...

    So much for DRM lol

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  11. Fall Season by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft said it would complete revisions of the documentation required by the court in the autumn, a season generally reckoned to include the months of September, October and November in North America, but may now have to extend work on a beta or test version of the new documentation into December..

    Actually winter normally does not officially commence until around December 22nd. So they are quite within a reasonable timeframe to complete it in early December and still be done in autumn.

  12. Seasonal deadlines? by dema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Microsoft said it would complete revisions of the documentation required by the court in the autumn...

    How can a company tell a court that they will finish something in a season? Shouldn't a deadline from a court ruling have a specific date attached to it?

    1. Re:Seasonal deadlines? by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can tell what kind of attitude people have by the units of time they use with deadlines. A rough translation guide:

      "I'll have it done in a second": means "you have me by my balls; if I don't get my paycheck, I'm getting evicted, my girlfriend will leave me for Stu, and I'll suffer from erectile dysfunction. Oh, and Stu is the neighborhood stray."

      "Give me a couple of hours" means "It'll really take a couple of minutes, but I found some great pr0n which, quite frankly, is higher on my priorities list. And you see, my entire family died in a horrible sewing accident and I've inherited a few hundred bucks so I'm not scheduled to become desparate for my paycheck for another few weeks."

      "Sure. Next week okay?" means "Boy, aren't I glad I went freelance and can now charge by the hour! I _did_ bookmark that new ferris wheel pr0n site, didn't I..."

      "You'll have it in a month and a half" means the same as the last one, but the person delivering the promise has now been freelancing for some time and is well aware of the outlandish deadlines one can deliver. Typically this kind of deadline is delivered in a falsetto faux-latin-lover accent.

      "Can you wait till Autumn?" translates as "Go fuck yourselves - No wait, let us assist you in the process of your getting fucked."

      Finally, "Some time in 20[07-99]" is reserved for Longhorn-specific press releases.

      I sincerely hope this helps you.

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  13. DRM, What?! by digerata · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm not sure what the article is talking about. As far as I know, there is no DRM in MHT files. If there is, MS is retrofitting some scheme to it.


    MHT and MHTML files are actually really cool and its too bad other browsers don't support it. (Or in Mozilla's case, support it outside of the mail client.) I wonder if its just because MS came up with the idea? (AFAIK)


    The format is *extremely* useful for things like demo'ing a web site or portions of a website on a frequent basis to different people. I work for a company where we are constantly updating our demo server with new accounts, constantly creating new subdomains, etc, just to allow a client to view the site in their browser securely. We need to be able to take premission away from them after the demo period is over, as well as, make sure unprivledged users don't see the content.


    This could all be solved by storing the mhtml archive of the web content in our digital asset management system. Administering that is much easier that setting up new domains/users/etc.


    But alas, nobody supports it.

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    1. Re:DRM, What?! by acvh · · Score: 5, Informative

      " I'm not sure what the article is talking about" - then READ it. You would find the following:

      from Microsoft: "The Web application puts both the encrypted .mht file and the signed publishing license into a file called a compound file. This file, which has an .rmh file extension, is used by the Rights Management Add-on for Internet Explorer to permit viewing of RMS-protected content in Internet Explorer. For more information, see Compound Files. You can use your own format if you are not using the add-on."

  14. Why accept document in MHT? by Zangief · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the judge demands that the documentation for Microsoft APIs is open an available for everyone, how is delivering said documentation in a form that only IE can read, meeting the judge demands?

  15. Why Microsoft is above the law by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The current government is a

    1) Republican administration

    2) To which Microsoft was the third largest corporate donor.

    This means that things like Department of Justice orders from *previous* administrations don't count.

  16. The reason is simple... by reynaert · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft's policy is that all downloadable documents and specifications etc. should be signed, so you can verify that the document hasn't been tampered with. Usually they implement that by embedding a word document in an (signed) Windows executable. MHT seems to be an improvement.

    1. Re:The reason is simple... by pdc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it is tampering they want to prevent, they could publish the SHA(1) digest of the files, or sign the MHTML documents with PGP or GPG.

      An even simpler(*) solution would be to write documents in plain text, and sign that. An approach that has been used on Usenet for ... how many years now?

      -- Damian

      (*) Simpler from a technological point of view. Not simpler to apply for people unaware of the distinction between Microsoft Word documents and plain text and ignorant of existing digital-signature conventions.

  17. no chance..... by zogger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that they would get a contempt of court citation, but they deserve it.

    None of this corporate nonsense will end, and it will continue to get worse and worse, until the law is readjusted to reflect that only named individual human beings have personal rights. Corporations avoid a lot of "guilt" by hiding behind the artificial person legal construct. It's beyond loony, was insane when it was aquired, now it's out of control and has lead to defacto fascism, let's call it what it is.

    And I blame the law/justice/court system just as much in this mess as the corporations.

    "Microsoft" should have never gone to trial, it should have been named humans, completely responsible for their decisions.

    Here's a thought, a mass protest by millions of people having a nationwide "incorporation day", flood the system with incorporation papers and lawsuits, a tidal wave of paperwork shuffling, patent applications, copyright registrations, and so on and so forth. Get every human to be part of their own friends and family corporation, watch the system grind to a halt, THEN maybe we'll get some change. Take every single tax break corporations get, fill out the paperwork. Why should they get all the tax break perks, and avoid personal responsibility? Sue the pants off of every large existing corporation out there, find little picyaune laws you can use. Patent everything possible, no matter how obscure. Challenge "no warranty" EULAS in small claims court all over. Serve every PHB out there with papers detailing your employment status, make them sign off to you on every single decision. They balk, sue em. Hand your own puchase contract to every shopkeeper out there when you go to buy something, demand they sign it for the sale.

    They want stupid, inane, ridiculous, society choking crap busywork and laws I say give it to 'em!

    Completely drown them in their own corporate/governmental/so called "legal system" paperwork BS.....

  18. Free Windows? by ProppaT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If MS has to provide freely available documentation, and the documentation they provide is only accessable using IE....doesn't this mean that MS should provide me with a free Windows license if I choose to develop my Windows software on a Linux workstation? :)

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  19. Single point of failure by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't we just need one machine on the net somewhere to which we can...

    Not if it gets Slashdotted.

  20. Thanks, Richard by orbitor · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the linked document:
    You can use the RMS SDK to build a shared document library that can protect and deliver RMS-protected documents on demand.

    I was unaware that Mr. Stallman had contributed such a thing to Microsoft. Funny that I couldn't find a link at gnu.org.

  21. A prior article says it best by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The antitrust suit from burst.com or whoever they are and the article recently mentioned pretty-much says it all with regards to Microsoft tactics.

    They are like children always trying to slither and wriggle their way out of things. It's disgusting and dishonorable. What's worse is that the court system seems to tollerate it all too often. I'm not a lawyer which is probably why I have a pretty clear picture of "right and wrong" in this.

    Basically, the court ordered them to do something and they failed to comply. The court should take action and not accept excuses. Freely available is freely available -- locking it down through format is not freely available and NOT what the court intended.

  22. Re:GAHHHH!!! by boy_of_the_hash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's signed with an IE only rights management plugin. So where's the freely availiable source code to their garbage browser and rights plugin that will make this document freely availiable as per the terms of the court order?

    What's wrong with text/plain or text/html anyway?

  23. Re:Didnt RTFA, but by antiMStroll · · Score: 5, Informative
    Typical pro-Microsoft troll moderation. From the article you didn't bother to RTF:

    "The plaintiffs have three main areas of concern about the documentation.

    First among these is that Microsoft, asked to open up and document the interfaces to its communication protocols for licensees, has chosen to issue the documentation in a rights-protected file format called MHT, readable only with its own Web browser, Internet Explorer. This means licensees can neither annotate nor effectively search the information, according to the plaintiffs. "

  24. They're doing this because... by jenns · · Score: 5, Interesting
    They're doing this because Donna Payne from Payne Consulting Group gave a talk at Microsoft in which she downloaded some Word files from their website and showed them the network shares and tracked changes that showed up in the metadata of the document.

    I saw that metadata and I must admit that seeing the last 10 authors, the fact that MS folks had crashed no less than 2 times in the document itself, and seeing the revealed tracked changes that showed up again as a result of the corrupting document was a real hoot. Apparently the folks at Microsoft were somewhat horrified...

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  25. Re:Didnt RTFA, but by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Informative
    You didn't RTFA, you spew bunk and get modded "Insightful". You gotta love /.

    The DRM is not the compression part. The files are encrypted. If you DID RTFA, you would have read:

    First among these is that Microsoft, asked to open up and document the interfaces to its communication protocols for licensees, has chosen to issue the documentation in a rights-protected file format called MHT, readable only with its own Web browser, Internet Explorer. This means licensees can neither annotate nor effectively search the information, according to the plaintiffs.
    And that MS is offering a
    free software development toolkit for the digital rights management system
    The problem with this dev toolkit is that it is MS only, so that means no Linux, Mac, *BSD or Solaris for the DRM of these MHT files. These documents are for developers who may want to interact with MS's proprietary communications protocols, and some of them may be working on different OSes to make those other OSes use MS's proprietary communications protocols. Now they will be forced to use MS windows to get to the documentation.
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  26. Re:GAHHHH!!! by pdc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is not that it is MHTML, but that the MHTML resource is embedded in a file in Microsoft's DRM format.

  27. What about Microsoft Press? by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't Microsoft own a publishing company called, "Microsoft Press"? MS seems to be able to produce large books (hat usually sit in shrinkwrap boxes and are typically found in the Windows administrator's cube. Maybe MS could take a small break from printing books nobody reads to printing books required as part an important anti-trust settlement.

    They should be thankful that I am not the judge in this case. When a company has a technical publishing department and can't provide timely techical documentation then that is CONTEMPT!

  28. Re:GAHHHH!!! by Darkenole · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might try the MAF extension to Firefox.

    "This is an archive extension that allows complete web pages to be saved in a single archive file. MAF stands for Mozilla Archive Format and the extension uses RDF to save page meta-data such as the original URL of the page and the date/time the page was put in the archive. It also allows pages to be saved in a separate MHTML compatible format for interoperability with IE systems."

  29. Not MHT ... *RMH* by frankie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rights-Managed HTML, yet another MS proprietary method to "embrace and extend" a known open standard.

    RMH is a subformat of Microsoft's Rights Management System (tm). Yes, that's right, it's called RMS . How's that for doublespeak?

  30. Signs of things to come? by hcob$ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I believe this is probably the first shot over the bow... so to speak. I see this, and other M$oft tactics, as a sign that they are getting ready to use the DMCA (and hopefully the IDUCE act if it *GASP* get's passed) to bully the wayward explorers that have moved away from them to the Open Source Initiative. They will end up wrapping EVERY file that is created through their programs in some for of DRM/File Encryption so that they can sue the pants of anyone who writes an import program, like Open Office and all the other Office "Compatible" suites. I think this is a step in the wrong direction that needs to be stopped before Microsoft has the right to deny the CIA or the President the right to view a document simply because it was created by Microsoft Word and they want to view it in open office.

    The really scarry part... All the above coupled with "Trusted Computing" and you no longer own anything you create, you no longer own a "lifetime" license to the software you purchased, hell you don't even really OWN your hardware at that point............

    And people wonder why geeks view M$oft as such a bad company. It's a perfect example of the damage that can be done by an entity that has a monopoly on the system.

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  31. If I only had mod points today... by fizbin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, mods. Up this one - the parent of it is at 5, but this (or the other reply that clarifies that Microsoft is proposing DRM-encumbered documentation) needs to be visible too. It's not plain MHT format that Microsoft is trying to use.

    It has almost nothing to do with the format being one that (for the moment) only internet explorer can read. It has everything to do with the fact that the documentation is in a format designed to lock out free software. (I can't imagine that the license for Microsoft's DRM developers toolkit would allow one to release implementing code in source form)

  32. Re:I'm not a developer by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Programming for classic MacOS was hard. Programming for NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP was easy. Programming for OS X is easy. Certain the implementation of Cocoa isn't given away, but the interface and excellent documentation is. Besides, with protocols and categories it is often unnecessary to subclass objects, thus making understand them less necessary. It's also nice that GUI code is unnecessary in most circumstances.

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  33. Wha? by soloport · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just because you don't pay money, doesn't mean it's free.

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever read... ...oh, wait.

    Reminds me: My dad was a missionary to various countries in South America -- he spoke fluent Spanish. One day a fellow preacher came by, from the US (Estados Unidos), to give a grand Protestant sermon to the mostly Catholic-born natives. The title of his sermon (in English): "The Difference Between Righteousness by Faith and Justification by Faith". (Yes, humans often quibble over the finest of details.)

    He had to take a seat, aghast and flabbergasted, after just ten minutes into his 90-minute sermon, when his translator (mi papa) explained to him that, in Spanish, there is only one word (Justicia) for his two words, Justification and Righteousness.

    Freedom, sir... I'll take Freedom over Free, any day.