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pronobozo writes with a link to "a cool interface called LEMUR for controlling audio applications. 'LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller designed for audio and multimedia real-time applications. Our technology associates multitouch capabilities with visual display. LEMUR is provided with an extensible library of User Interface Objects such as faders, switchs, pads, keyboards, strings, etc.'" It's also vaporware at this point, but looks cool enough I hope it really reaches the market early next year as the site promises.
Sure, why not.
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Man touch panels can only track one "press" at a time... I'm not sure if it is limited to capacitive touch systems or resistive touch systems (that one is definitly not IR)... but I wonder if this unit suffers from the same issue?
Also the lack of midi output is odd.
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The website mentions that the LEMUR isn't a MIDI device, instead it uses something called OSC (OpenSoundControl).
How does this affect the LEMUR's ability to interface with application such as Cakewalk's SONAR?
Does OSC provide a way to interface with MIDI applications?
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This is surely a nice idea, i personally hate having to use my mouse when mixing music, but i think the magic questions will be : Just how functional is this? Is it going to have a lot of flashy bells and whistles and doodads, or is it going to be efficent?
and of course, "just how many arms and legs am i going to have to give to have one?"
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rediculous.
If only I had some sort of a small pre-fab in my basement, I would have built one of these baby's long ago. Now, does anyone smell vapor? Just Curious
pronobozo writes with a link to "a cool interface called LEMUR for controlling audio applications. 'LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller designed for audio and multimedia real-time applications. Our
In other news, Slashdot user pronobozo works for JazzMutant. More like proMobozo to me...
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Our technology associates multitouch capabilities with visual display.
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What do you mean by "Multitouch capabilities"?
It means that it allows the use of multiple fingers at once, thanks to its multitouch sensitive LCD.
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I think they are entirely marketing this in to narrow a makret. Yes, it seems like it would be great to control audio apps, but there is a much greater potential. Many large control boards could be easily replaced with a small dynamic board that gives you the pots/switches/etc. that you need at the time.
I'm thinking, in particular, things liking theatrical light and sound boards in which you use most of the sliders very rarely - but its still important that you have the option to input them through a slider or nob (as opposed to entering a number).
I bet there are other applications in industries where large control boards are involved where this could be useful as well.
They might as well call it Star Trek:TNG Interface.
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For some less-vapor, DIY MIDI controller kits (soldering, planning, etc. required) you can build from scratch at Thorsten Klose's awesome site, or assemble pieces from Doepfer. I've built a few great fader boxes and knob boxes. What a fun hobby.
Though it looks like it could be very useful for certain types of virtual controls (particularly x/y axis controllers as well as sliders), its usefulness is slightly limited by its lack of velocity and pressure (other than boolean, anyway) sensitivity. Requiring PC host software seems more of a handicap than a feature, too...
Still, anything to break away from having to use a mouse to tweak realtime parameters on-screen is welcome.
and then buy HW when you know just what is going to work. Although dated by its dependence on an older version of JMF, Lindley's book [at the top of the list of this page of audio books] , gives a set of audio widgets [well, beans, actually] on its CD that you can mix, modify, and mate in various combinations for all kinds of audio effects. Not a tool for the timid but a rewarding exercise for the software/audio geek.
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"Wow...this really *is* juat an ad site now, huh?! " to me it looks like a start up company trying to realize a cool idea. I have never seen something like this before, but bike on the other hand I have seem many of times.. and thats why you don't find posts on slashdot..selling bikes. :-P
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why have silent video clips for an audio device?
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I just want to know, how much will it be?
It seems really cool, and I can think of a lot of different applications for it..
Another question... can I use the display as a normal LCD screen? A live preview from a camera,with zoom buttons for example. Or it's just a controller?
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Now, about that bike... thanks, but I've already got one of these.
...using Max/MSP and any touch-sensitive peripheral device.
Max/MSP is a graphical programming environment for music, audio, and multimedia, and it's been around for 15 years. It is extremely extensible and can handle and manipulate almost any kind of input you could think of in real time.
If it can make music by tracking a mouse with a video camera, then it can do what LEMUR purports to do.
I love this kind of device, and I can't wait to finally be able to acquire one for a reasonable price. I've been keeping an eye on a similar device called AudioPad for a while now, which works with a projector and drawing tablets.
The devices are similar, but the MIT project seems to place the bar higher concerning potential UI innovations instead of re-creating existing hardware virtually. (Look at the IP Workbench example video and see what I mean...)
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The unit itself is only shown as a CG image-- it looks like an _idea_ for a unit.
Was this shown in Paris or not?
I doubt every "check out this cool new thing they rendered!" post on /.
Just give me a PDA that can controll stuff via WIFI/bluetooth and I'll be happy...
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Whether you agree with advertising on this site or not, one can't deny that what's being quoted here is clearly incorrect and misleading:
"LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller" - no it's not, it isn't anything (other than an idea).
"LEMUR is provided with an extensible library of User Interface Objects" - no it isn't, it isn't provided at all!
It's no good admitting that you're just passing on vapour and yet continuing to quote incorrect statements.
I've always wanted an input device that had a handful of sliders and knobs for adjusting things like color balance, 3d position and rotation in modeling programs, etc. I've envisioned a little device with about 3 sliders and knobs, and maybe a couple of buttons. The joystick, mouse, and even keyboard arrow input should all be abstracted to an axis input which would also work for this kind of device. Forget touchpads - the power in a device like this would be the tactile sensation, the ability to remember how far you pushed the slider, turned the knob, etc. Also people can easily turn knobs and move sliders very quickly for corse adjustments and very slowly and delicately for fine adjustments.
Why do you expect a midi port?
as said, midi only uses 7 bits in stead of 32 wich are needed to get a decent resolution and throughput.
also, most important - this is not a audio thingie, but a lot more than that. Once they are affordable i'll have one, as input device. If they are going to b supported in some games, that'd be great. Personally, i'd make my own LCARS into a reality.
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...are they selling this thing yet, or what?
Positively beautiful piece of equipment, if it did Midi it would be a great replacement for my MIR midi controller (which I use to control Pro Tools transport and to tweak my reverb). I particularly like the Tron-style buttons.
It doesn't seem to support MIDI, and I ask, WHY? I'm all for adoption of open standards, but is not MIDI, or even MTS, open and available for anyone to implement? I loooked up OSC and it looks very promising, but it is completely absent from Digidesign's or Logic's or Nuendo's web sites. This is a severe hinderance and makes the tool almost useless to people who do alot of post-production work, which would seem to be where their core audience is, given what I bet it costs.
This said, I bet Digidesign, if inclined, could make up a Personality file to allow this thing to control Pro Tools.
Also, I'm the first assistant at a post-sound house in LA--whose name is beneath the threshold of mention-- and I'm finding that with Control-24s, Pro Controls and other such gear every editor needs their own physical network segment, otherwise the LAN melts down. Desktop busses were invented for a reason, why don't they use them? This would be much better as 1394, or... USB 2. There, I said it.PS. The OSC web site says that OSC has a PHP interface!
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I want the other kind of interface: programmable "flying faders" that are tangible physical dials, buttons and LED/LCD displays. They attach to a computer by USB or FireWire, and are dumb interfaces whose state is sent to software on the PC, so they can be saved and restored under software control. Where's a $100 flying fader panel with Linux drivers?
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Example: My tv remote. I'm watching tv, I pick up the remote, and I can adjust channel, volume, power etc with out looking at the remote. With a device like this, you cant do that, as there is no tactile feel, you cant just feel where the volume button is and press it, you have to visually find it first. There is a programmable LCD remote available that has floundered on the market for exactly this reason.
This also applies to the main application for this device, audio mixing (as well as stage lighting and visual applications.) Try cueing audio to some on stage effect while having to look at this device instead of looking onstage...
Its a cool device and I'd love it at home, but the lack of tactile feel will make it useless in many applications.
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I'd like to see this work with Ardour and not cost over a couple few hundred $..
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For those that haven't heard of it, it's an audio recording program, similar to Protools, that's open source.
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Besides on the touchscreen, I mean. I'm wondering what it would take to put a nice X10 interface or DVD controls on there along with the audio mixing for the ultimate in customised portable home theater control panels. Just stick an ethernet jack (or WAP) near your favorite seat and you'd be all set.
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Kind of OT, but someone has done a lot of nice work on the LCARS specification at http://www.starbasemccoy.com/lcars/, including an LCARS font, all open source and free download.
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The CPU listed is a Nios @ 100 MHz. Nios is Altera's soft core, so either they prototyped on an FPGA, and will use the same design to fab, or, much more likely since it's obviously a low volume application, they still have the fpga in the production equipment. Given that there aren't many (heh) GPUs for that kind of device, my guess is they have the CPU and the GPU on the same FPGA. Most newer FPGAs have capabilities for partial reconfiguration. Why didn't they leave the possibility of using it to their users, or if they did, why aren't they touting this as a feature? I suppose the feature wouldn't be as useful as if it could drive devices directly, but it still could be used for more exotic UI/Graphic capabilities.
/. whenever someone mentions RSI. I think they sell their keyboards at something like $400-500. It would be interesting if THIS one was cheaper :)
If only the thing was smaller, i.e., ~ the size of a graphing calculator, and didn't use _14_ W. There's this touchpad/keyboard that i keep reading about on
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multitouch device/mouse/keyboard/gesture thingy. Been going for a few years now
It depends. It could be as intuitive as an iPod, or someone can re-implement traditional UI design flaws for an entirely new audience. Imagine if using a cross-fader became as easy as programming a 1980's vintage VCR!
Also, the *nice* thing about physical pots and buttons is that I can see that they are there and will eventually see what they do. Similarly, you can see *all* of the console and its settings at a glance, handy when something goes wrong and you're not quite sure where it's gone wrong.
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well the videos look completely real to me. Sure they COULD be just someone doing a very good good syncing their hands to a video, but I doubt it. Plus they say that it'll be demoed in some sound show soon and it'll be for sale first quarter of 2005, so I'd hope it would be a real thing that works.
I have been waiting about 50 years for this damn thing.
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WiFi support would even make this better.
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By the way, its name, LATMAN, is a really nice acronym, you'll have to figure out for yourself.
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"built-in100 BaseT Lan interface [...] no latency"
No latency ethernet? What else are they "kidding" about?
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It was mentioned on the Linux Audio Developer list, that the suggested price is in the $2000 range.
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