Slashdot Mirror
SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional Released
InnerPhalanx writes "Today, SuSE 9.2 Professional Edition has been released. SuSE writes: 'It combines a fast, secure operating system and more than 1,000 popular open source applications. It is the first complete Linux package to harness both the improved Linux kernel 2.6 and the recently enhanced GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.3 user desktop environments. Ideal for Linux enthusiasts and developers, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 improves support for mobile users and delivers a host of essential tools.' More information at the SuSE website. The price is $89.95. The update version is $59.95. A live DVD image is also available on the SuSE website, for use by DVD. Have fun, SuSE Pro users!" Reader tannhaus submits an early review.
So when will Dell ship a SUSE laptop with compatablity right out of the box?
...is hosting BitTorrents of the SuSE 9.2 LiveCDs here. 1.3 TB transferred on the DVD so far!
The Army reading list
It's something I have always wondered. Do I not need to worry until they release v10? Or do I not even need to worry then because I can use apt to get the updates they make to Yast et al?
Or will the packages for 9.2/10 be in a different repository than those for 9.1?
i saw the baby, and the baby looked at me
You may be interested in this then:
9 07083_mz054.htm
Last January the borough of Newham in London reversed course on a planned change to Linux after a consultant's report said Windows would cost $600,000 less to support each year. The Finnish city of Turku also changed its mind about dumping Windows after a three-year experiment with Linux showed employees resisted the switch. There are reports of glitches and cost overruns from other Linux adopters, including Munich and the German Parliament, which had to revert to Windows servers temporarily in mid-October when a third of its 5,000 PC users couldn't access the Internet or get e-mail.
From http://businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_45/b3
Read it for additional information.
I wasn't able to find the update version at Suse.com. However, it looks like Amazon.com got it (with free 'super saver' shipping):
Suse Linux Professional 9.2 Upgrade Strong Encryption 128 Bit
---- join dshield.org Distributed Intrusion Detec
So, nobody use the mirror I'm downloading from for about an hour and a half, so I have a chance to get done.
See what I've been reading.
The review (that you didn't read) clearly states that since Gnome 2.8 was only released in September that it was not included due to time constraints.
So you can download this for free of course, but its a DVD image? meaning those of us without dvd burners (i'm assuming alot of us don't own those) are forced into buying this if we want to try it out?
I have been running it since RC3, and they have really focused on laptops in this release. It installed smoothly on my HP nc6000, and everything works - including build-in bluetooth and wireless.
Nice job SuSE developers!
Reently I had to decide on a linux platform for my company. In evaluating the possibilities, I was seeking a distro that had both a lot of readily-available support, and the benefits of F/OSS.
Suse and Redhat, while perfect on the former count, DO NOT OFFER THE FULL BENEFITS OF F/OSS SOFTWARE.
Both RH and Suse offer certain configurations of their software which you cannot get without paying. I don't have anything against paying someone for software I use, if it's also available for free. But I do have a problem with software that you can't even look at unless you pay.
"Many eyes make bugs shallow." The more a peice of software costs, the less people will see it and contribute to it. The fewer bugs will exits in the end -- the better the software will be.
So I picked Debian. And I dig it.
there is no more personal build for 9.2 and above.
e val_int.html
but u can try the live dvd media
http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/live_
I've always run RedHat and Slackware at home. We've been using RedHat at work for years. But with the new RedHat price structure, I decided it was time to look around more. I bought SuSe 9.1 Professional and installed it at home. Between things I was reading on the net and the positive experience we had with two Penguin dual Opteron servers that came with SuSe EL 8 preinstalled, I was psyched.
What a nigtmare.
The graphical installer refused to recognize the S3 card; I had to use text install. When initially installed, I could only find KDE. I reinstalled per something I found on the net-- installing just Gnome, then adding KDE after configuration.
My directory is automounted from a RH8 system. I can't get KDE or Gnome to work properly, so I go back to ctwm. Eventually I get both Gnome and KDE working, but Gnome is never quite right now on either the RH8 or the SuSe9.1Pro system. Works fine for root, but not for other users. ( realize the Gnome issues may not be SuSe's fault, exactly, but they did choose the version to include on the CDs.)
Overall, most things are slower, from booting and shutdown to popping up a new window. Yast2, in particular, takes forever to initialize. Granted it does some things the RH config tools don't, and it's much more consistent, but it's definitely slower. Maybe I wouldn't notice this on a new, fast system, but on my 400MHz and 500MHz systems at home, there's a clear difference.
Yast2 does a bunch of cool stuff, but that makes some of the missing things even odder. Why, for instance, is there no entry for a Logitech PS2 Mouseman when configuring a mouse?
I'll grant you things look really nice in SuSe. But I prefer substance over appearance. In some cases it has the substance, in others it doesn't.
To top it all off, my emails to SuSe support went unanswered.
I'm almost certainly going to switch back to RedHat (or possibly some other distro) at home. And SuSe is not at the top of my list for consideration art work.
I know there are lots of happy SuSe customers. I was one based on the Penguins. But 9.1 left a bad taste in my mouth.
Does 9.2 resolve any of these issues? Not that I'm really considering tossing another $60 at SuSe to upgrade...
Do the freely downloadable ISO images contain Suse's OpenExchange mail/groupware server?
The other ones seem to lack a bit of pizazz. The two major competitors seem to be the
BillWorkgroup (as in Gates) server and the unencumbered Netline version of OpenExchange which IIRC is derived from the Suse OPX codebase.
Everything else I looked at is crap. I checked out Communigate Pro (a commercial product) and though it looked mostly professional, it had a bunch of features that simply weren't available in Outlook. I'd consider tolerating that from a free software project but not a proprietary offering.
I've been looking at replacing our Microsoft Exchange Servers with Suse and Novell Groupwise. Has anyone had experience with this?
I'm needing software that encourages collaboration between our staff, but also allows integration with custom software through Open Standards. Will the most version of Groupwise allow this?
Is Groupwise an easy to administrate package?
---
Brandon Petersen
Get Firefox!
just some examples:
. com/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/
d .html
http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/Mirrors/ftp.suse
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/
also check the general mirror list for the servers that serve bits with http.
http://www.suse.de/de/private/download/ftp/auslan
happy downloading
> ... centrino wireless networking drivers?
This release of SuSE is supposed to have major improvements for laptop support and wireless, although I don't know anything specifically about the drivers you need.
> NTFS drivers (read only ok)
It has them.
> X config that supports 1920x1200 displays
On 9.1 this doesn't work out of the box but I recently set up a Dell laptop for a friend to work at that resolution after a short google.
Such a lie. FC3 has had KDE 3.3.0 for a good while now. kdelibs is at 3.3.1, even.
I used to love SuSe the networking utilities that SuSe has are excellent, and I think YaSt is excellent for beginners that do not know anything about linux. I started off on SuSe (simply because it took up the most disks), and I eventually lost my love of YaSt (sometimes it has problems properly managing packages it seems). I would still use SuSe today it there were freely available ISO's on thier site (not live cd either). Last time I checked though the only way to get SuSe (free) is through a live FTP install, which I would rather not do. So I made the switch to mandrake, which seems also excellent.
It happened like a year ago, you'd think people catch up
Especially so glaring a name change.
Kind of like the FirePhoenixBirdFoxzilla browser I'm using....
"Provided by the management for your protection."
I am one of those people who installs stuff for free whenever possible.
So, I had SuSE 9.0 and SuSE 9.1 in the past installed from one of those public image CDs. My experience is that once you get SuSE installed, you keep updating the security fixes.
When you want to totally upgrade your system to
support newer hardware, you basically have to install/upgrade your system from scratch (such as
SuSE 9.0 -> SuSE 9.1) rather than just upgrade the
pieces you want (kernel, modules, etc.)
Technically you can upgrade the kernel from RPM but if something goes wrong, you really don't have any idea how to make it work afterwards. I was
looking into upgrading SuSE 9.1 kernel from 2.6.5 to 2.6.9 but several emails adviced me otherwise.
I switched to Gentoo. So far I am a very happy camper even though the initial installation was very frustrating and time consuming for all the devices. Now I no longer care if the next version
is 9.3 or 10.1 because I can get the latest and
greatest stuff anytime.
Again this view is from the home user perspective when I want my computer to support all the hardware I have. From corporate perspective I can see that IT Helpdesk will have much easier time supporting pre-packaged solutions such as SuSE 9.2.
I guess that's one reason I like Debian and Gentoo. If I need it, they've got it, and not in some package ghetto somewhere.
Plus, I think YAST is so handy, but useless in that I have to go to apt4rpm for so much software. It takes away one of the advantages to SUSE.
If I could access all the software I needed through YAST, and could do so with either repository efforts with ties to SUSE, or at least well-defined community project repositories (ie. not just an unlabeled "dump" site), then I could go back to sweet SUSE.
Maybe it's there, and I haven't looked close enough. Then call me an idiot and point me in the right direction.
doesn't Ubuntu Linux use gnome 2.8?
but I want something that the **AA will acknowledge as legal.
Why? Do you work for them? Are you in fear of the movie police bursting in and arresting you for watching a DVD with a $$ program versus watching the same movie on the same computer and the same DVD drive but a FREE program instead??
Why do you have a burning desire to support these terrorists? Yes, the MPAA (and RIAA) is a terrorist organization. Most people here would agree with me on that. Do you have a guilt complex, do you feel bad that they aren't rich enough?
Do you feel it's your civic duty to use software that you have to BUY and that phones home and reports your viewing habits to this terrorist organization?
Do you just have too much money and feel "dirty" and feel that you can cleanse yourself by getting rid of that "dirty old money"??
If you say it's because you are watching movies at work, you should be fired. If you are watching movies at home, who's watching you watch movies??
Really...
From the news post: "It is the first complete Linux package to harness both the improved Linux kernel 2.6 and the recently enhanced GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.3 user desktop environments."
Just plain false. Mandrake 10.1 Official was released two days ago (on the 27th) and offers all of kernel 2.6, GNOME 2.6 and KDE 3.3.
Now, I'm not trying to bash SuSE. Both SuSE and Mandrake are good distributions. Still, it is false that SuSE is "first".
Did you buy a Neuros today?
It was a disappointment. My idea was to try out 9.2 before buying the boxed set... because we're looking at offering it as the Linux solution to our customers. I'm not sure if the first problem I encountered is a licensing issue, or not... but when I booted the DVD on my desktop box at home, the modules wouldn't load for the Atheros-based wireless card. ath_pci.ko exists on the DVD, but it loads ath_hal.ko as well... which does NOT exist on the DVD. So... it will boot, and look pretty, but no networking is available. I thought I'd bring the LiveDVD to work and test it out on the ThinkPad laptops. A joke. When the LiveDVD would boot, it would get to the cloop part of the boot, and there were hex strings, scrolling the screen until I got an error message about no more memory being available. So it was of no use to me in either situation I tried it on. Big disappointment this time around... I wanted to check out the 9.2 boxed set, since one of the things mentioned in the release notes is improved wireless configuration tools. Wireless was the one and only issue I had with previous 8.x and 9.1 versions. All of this to say that it SUCKS that I can't even try it out. I'm going to see if I have any better luck with one of the LiveCD versions.
However, if you read a few HOWTOs, you can install the source RPM, change a #define to turn it back on, recompile and reinstall. I think it's a big improvement, but people seem to have varying opinions on whether the patented or non-patented hinting looks better.
Personally, I prefer MS Verdana over any of the fonts supplied with SuSE (although the Bitsream fonts are a close second). Luckily, Microsoft was generous enough to release their fonts with a perpetual free redistribution license, so getting them is no problem. SuSE also includes an RPM that automatically downloads the MS fonts (the license doesn't allow actual bundling with the OS). I've never experienced any instability caused by the fonts.
Comment removed based on user account deletion
.. Or is the SUSE 9.2 Pro Live DVD only good for evaluation.
- No Sig for you!
It's not about popularity, it's about Microsoft. To gain the right to ship OEM verions of Windows, most computer manufacturers had to sign a contract, part of which states that they can't ship any other OS with their hardware. At the time, Linux wasn't nearly as big as it is now, so companies didn't realize they were signing away their rights as much as they were. In fact, I think Dell is really screwed because I believe they also have such an agreement with Intel as well.
Believe it or not, the install worked better out of the box than installing XP Pro and using their shrinkwrapped driver CDs.
As far as I can tell, everything was detected automatically. I haven't played with it much yet, but nothing leaps out as broken or non-functional.
And for us techno-types, that's pretty nice.
The problem with mplayer is that it can sometimes be tough to find the dvdcsslibs and configure them properly
I think you must be a little out of date. Mplayer already coms with css decoding built-in these days. The only extra stuff you need to download is if you want to watch stuff that needs win32 codecs.
-chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence