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Electoral-vote.com Under Heavy Load; Attack?

An anonymous reader writes "Electoral-vote.com (and mirrors electoral-vote2.com through electoral-vote8.com) seem to be very slow at the moment. Votemaster ( A. Tanenbaum) just posted 'All the servers appear to be under attack now, also DNS. I added another large multiprocessor but it doesn't seem to help much. I don't this is going to work. Sorry.' Massive attack or just a large flash crowd? Anybody up for some mirroring so votemaster can concentrate on the polls?" Reader fishwack writes with word that as of 3:46GMT (10:46 PM Eastern time in the U.S.) "the Federal Electoral Commission's Web site is down."

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  1. The Oldest Slashdotting.. by Renraku · · Score: 4, Funny

    Political zerg.

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    1. Re:The Oldest Slashdotting.. by Ziak · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.mirrordot.com/ will cover this site right?

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    2. Re:The Oldest Slashdotting.. by websaber · · Score: 4, Funny

      " Electoral-vote.com Under Heavy Load; Attack?". Great let's slashdot it. That will make their day!

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    3. Re:The Oldest Slashdotting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As a German, I say thank you for re-electing Adolf Hitler! It's about time that fascism comes back, thank you, dear Americans for bringing the old German tradition back to life in your country.

      According to CNN, your most important presidential were set on
      1. Will bring change 25% (Kerry voters)
      2. Clear Stand on Issue 17% (Bush voters)
      3. Strong Leader 17% (Bush voters)
      4. Honest/Trustworthy 11% (Bush voters! WTF?)
      5. Cares About People 9% (Kerry voters)
      6. Religious Faith 8% (Bush voters)
      7. Intelligent 7% (Kerry voters)
      Bush voters strongly favored the following qualities in him according to vote percentage (in that order)
      1. Religions faith, 91%
      2. Strong leader, 86%
      3. Clear stand on issue, 78%
      4. Honest/Trustworthy, 70%
      Those who favored other qualities voted in majority for Kerry.

      In short, America voted for the Fuehrer, the only difference lies in Bush's religion (Methodist, if you believe CNN) and Hitler's "religion". Both were/are very devoted to their own belief. If Bush is honest and trustworthy, Hitler was a nice guy for a family picknick.

      Welcome to our class of history repeating, ladies and gentlemen.
      Todays topic: how Germany was converted to national-socialism without anyone noticing.

      Strong charismatic leadership, stubbornness on any and all issues, strong beliefs in his own ideologic with a sharp division between us=good and them=evil made him popular. Followed by an invasion of other countries for the sake of own safety, profit and glory combined with a willingness in the population to be deceived made Hitler's fascist reality possible.

      Thank you and have a nice day.
      Tomorrows lesson: how mass internment and industrial genocide begun in Nazi Germany without anyone noticing.
    4. Re:The Oldest Slashdotting.. by sk8king · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since you mention this topic, I remember seeing this in someone's signature months ago.

      http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/St ructure3.htm

      A quote in the article:
      An interesting note to end this article:
      As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad, it's here at home.

    5. Re:The Oldest Slashdotting.. by dcam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All states demonstate some elemtents of facism, marxism etc. You have picked out a number of isolated and frankly insigifigant areas where your country conforms to Marxism.

      I have studied the rise of Hitler in some detail. It parallels the current administration pretty closely. That should be a concern. A very big concern.

      But I guess you are content in your viewpoint.

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  2. Web site maybe being ddos'd by StudyOfEfficiency · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's post it to Slashdot with a link.

    1. Re:Web site maybe being ddos'd by lNxUnDeRdOg · · Score: 2, Funny

      he just thought it was under DDoS....wait till /. get's into full effect....mmmwwwwwhhaaaaaa mmmmmwwwwwahhhaaaaaa....

    2. Re:Web site maybe being ddos'd by FifthRaven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, and that way we'll really make life hell. Now the real question is, "Is this malicious or simply the effect of general interest in the election?" I would hope for the latter, but the voting machines make me think of the former. If we decrease the public's ability to respond to the election, we can steal it more effectively.

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    3. Re:Web site maybe being ddos'd by pyrote · · Score: 4, Funny

      Let's post it to Slashdot with a link.

      Or even Double it or Triple it!

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    4. Re:Web site maybe being ddos'd by davidescott · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually in this case its a good thing since he wants the data on massive usage to figure out ways to work around it. Those crazy academics. Makes me think this whole ``election'' thing may have been a ruse to get us to all go to his website.


      So why am I a happy camper? We survived an unprecedented triple flash crowd and logged it all. As it turns out, two of the faculty members in my Dept., Maarten van Steen and Guillaume Pierre, are doing research on coping with flash crowds. The research issues include how many replicas to set up, where to place them, how fast to deploy them, and how to do it automatically, in real time, and at minimum cost. To simulate proposed algorithms, you need data about real flash crowds and real attacks, preferably at the same time. And boy oh boy do we have data now. Students interested in this and other areas of computer systems might want to check out the English-language Masters program I am running at the Vrije Universiteit.

    5. Re:Web site maybe being ddos'd by Fishead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Malicious would be me hitting "Reload Current Page" constantly...

  3. I dont... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't this is going to work.

    Me neither :)

  4. Seems fine to me by DJ+Wipeout · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got to the FEC with no problem. electoral-vote.com seemed fine too.

    1. Re:Seems fine to me by konekoniku · · Score: 3, Informative

      To be fair, when I tried it earlier in the day (around 6-7pm pst) the primary and mirrors 2-4 were down.

  5. BS by lNxUnDeRdOg · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was just there and kept refreshing and everything was working fine....stop crying wolf

  6. Yeah by Tyndmyr · · Score: 4, Funny

    It must be under attack, probably by terrorists, who seek to quash our freedom and replace it with...evilness! Because, you know, it doesnt make sense that a site could go down because of insane numbers of people using it. Us slashdotters cant imagine such a thing happening. Besides, who would be going there now, anyhow?

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    1. Re:Yeah by Xepo · · Score: 4, Informative

      He specifically put up the mirrors because his servers were getting attacked before. It's not just from mass visitation.

  7. There's an election today by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think these sites might be slow because the US is voting in a Presidential Election today, so people are checking out those sites for the results so far, etc.

    1. Re:There's an election today by RealProgrammer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Presidential election?

      Who's running?

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    2. Re:There's an election today by ktakki · · Score: 4, Funny
      Who's running?

      Darl McBride is running against Richard Stallman, with Theo DeRaadt as a third party candidate.

      k.
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    3. Re:There's an election today by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny
      What!? Have you been living under a rock?

      It's Giant Douche v.s. Turd Sandwitch.

      It looks like Turd Sandwitch may take it right now, but it's really going to be up to the Washington Racist Football Team.

    4. Re:There's an election today by Nos. · · Score: 2, Funny

      And a badly worded poll that misses several options

  8. Under attack by Slashdot editors? by stoborrobots · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's this? like the fourth direct link to the site today?

  9. MicroKernel by diablobsb · · Score: 5, Funny

    quick!
    switch to a microkernel based OS and webserver we all know would stand up to this attack nicely...
    jk :)

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  10. who cares! by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    right now they're calling florida as "weak kerry" which is nowhere near the case if you look at the figures in so far. Why is this site important?

    1. Re:who cares! by DataPath · · Score: 4, Informative

      He updates the site maybe once a day, and based upon a wide number of polls. He's not doing hourly updates as the results come back from different precincts.

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    2. Re:who cares! by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was updated based on the latest polling data, not actual election returns this evening...

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    3. Re:who cares! by crazyfreakid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, he had promised real-time updates tonight with actual results. You can see this at the bottom of the current front page of the website, I believe... but it deosn't seem to have come about, perhaps because he's been so focused on dealing with these attacks.

  11. help help! by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 3, Funny
    This site seems to under a very huge load! Quick, post it on Slashdot!

    heh but on a serious note, there's something over 120 million voters? With such a close election? Doubt it's a hostile attack.

  12. maybe this story is a troll? by to+be+a+troll · · Score: 2, Funny

    and they are actually trying to shut them down by posting on slashdot...(?)

    isnt the /. affect as good as denial of service?

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  13. Seems to be responding just fine. by Joe+Random · · Score: 2, Informative

    Same here. The site's actually responding faster for me now than it was last night.

  14. Electoral-Vote3.com - Electoral-Vote8.com by marktaw.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.electoral-vote3.com/

    through

    http://www.electoral-vote8.com/

    If one doesn't come up, use another.

    1. Re:Electoral-Vote3.com - Electoral-Vote8.com by theAedileDecimus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, electoral-vote9.com seems to be one of them as well, and it is very fast.

  15. Re:LOL BUSH IS WINNING YOU COMMIES! by camooT · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't count your chickens. Assuming you know how to count.

  16. Internet load today by aacool · · Score: 4, Informative
    netcraft reported this already earlier today http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/11/02/mirro rs_help_electoralvotecom_blunt_ddos_attacks.html

    Mirroring helped

    Aljazeera was also down, per Netcraft

    I've blogged live about Internet Load all day on my blog today

  17. Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by aardwolf204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its good that you provide us apache-crash-happy slashdotters with a link to Electoral-vote.com, come on troops get in there and get that server smoking!

    More seriously, can anyone tell my why at this moment the reports are so uneven among the major networks:

    NBC: 207 / 199
    Yahoo: 237 / 199
    Fox: 210 / 144
    CBS: 246 / 207

    Answer that, then continue to F5, F5, F5...

    And do it in firefox, maybe the major news sites will notice in their logs.

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    1. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by Peyna · · Score: 3, Informative

      CBS is giving Bush Ohio; which is BS when Cuyahoga and Hamilton counties (Cleveland and Cincinnati) have only reported 30-50% of their precincts. Cuyahoga currently shows a significant margin for Kerry, if that trend continues, that's another 100,000 or so Kerry votes in Ohio when it hits 100%. We're going to see the same thing we saw 4 years ago where one network will call a particular state and then find out 4 hours later that a certain place heavy to one side wasn't in yet and it changed the results. At least this time they waited until every poll but Alaska was closed.

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    2. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by Peyna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, it looks like Kerry is set to take Nevada and New Hampshire; if you give Bush every other state that he had the last time, that puts it at 264-274, Colorado, New Mexico, and Ohio are all close enough that if any one of them goes to Kerry, he will probably win.

      So there you have, it's down to Ohio (which everyone expected), or Colorado and New Mexico, which no one expected to be much of a deciding factor.

      Don't expect this to end tonight; absentee ballots are very likely to be needed in a few states.

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    3. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by Peyna · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, so now it's down to Ohio and New Mexico. If Bush takes Ohio, Kerry takes New Mexico (and NH, the rest of the states follow the trend from 4 years ago), there will be a tie.

      Which means we would probably end up with President George Bush and Vice-President John Edwards. That'd be a hoot.

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    4. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go here and you can see the states getting called by each of the networks as it happens. It's been my favorite site to follow tonight...

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    5. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by Peyna · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bush far from has Ohio; there are countless absentee ballots, plus still many votes in heavy Democratic areas not yet counted. Same goes for Florida on the absentees. Don't expect this to be final for at least a week.

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    6. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by Peyna · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the case of a electoral tie, the currently sitting House of Representatives picks the President, the Senate picks the Vice President; yuor talk about the Supreme Court doesn't come into play.

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    7. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by demachina · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Its interesting exit polls have historically been pretty accurate which is why networks have relied on them for so long, until the Republicans started winning elections and especially as electronic voting came on the scene. As you recall in 2000 VNS exit polling predicted Gore won and he didn't. In 2002 the VNS exit polls mysteriously failed in a massive way and the Republicans had a big win. It was disbanded and an all new AP system was used today.

      Today apparently the exit polls were massively swinging to Kerry and it now appears he is losing the election. Curious that exit polls have gone completely south in just the last 4 years.

      It leads to two possibilities.

      1. The exit polls are really innacurate or maybe Democrat leaners were rigging them, of course rigging exit polls is kind of stupid since they don't count for anything other than maybe putting a little psychic pressure on late voters. Maybe they are just consistently bad but they are a pretty big sampling and its odd they would be as far off as they were apparently today. This is the message Fox and the Republicans were pounding on all night. The exit polls were all wrong and you need to fix them or get rid of them. Unfortunately at this point the exit poll are the only checks and balances we have on the truthfullness of the polls and especially electronic polling.

      2. The exit polls were accurate and someone was rigging the vote. Needless to say with widespread use of electronic voting machines, without paper trail, if someone rigged them to skew the vote to the Republicans you would see what we've seen today and it would be hard to prove thats what happened. The exit polls say Kerry wins and the voting machines say Bush wins. Unfortunately with no paper trail we may never know.

      If exit polls are wrong it should be setting off alarm bells that either they are wrong or the vote counts are wrong. You should not leap to the conclusion that it must be the exit polls as the media and Republican were tonight and probably will be from now on.

      One interesting thing to do would be to lock up a all the electronic voting machines in precincts in Ohio and Florida (Broward and Miami-Dade in particular where there is huge Democratic vote to suppress). Look in particular for precincts where exit polls said one thing and the machines said something else. Be sure to set the date back to the day of the election, set them exactly like they were on election day, and start entering votes on them in a semi random way at about the same rate voters would on all or most of the machines, and see if after a full day of voting they report an accurate vote.

      Another interesting exercise would be to correlate the map of precincts with electronic voting with precincts with bogus exit polls and see if there is a correlation.

      I think much of the data on them can be found on electionline.org.

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    8. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by slashdot.org · · Score: 2, Interesting
      One interesting thing to do would be to lock up a all the electronic voting machines in precincts in Ohio and Florida (Broward and Miami-Dade in particular where there is huge Democratic vote to suppress). Look in particular for precincts where exit polls said one thing and the machines said something else. Be sure to set the date back to the day of the election, set them exactly like they were on election day, and start entering votes on them in a semi random way at about the same rate voters would on all or most of the machines, and see if after a full day of voting they report an accurate vote.

      Not a terrible idea, but consider the following psuedo-code:
      boolean election_day_ended = false;

      function count_vote( candidate )
      read_from_non_volatile_storage( &election_day_ended )
      if( election_day_ended == false ) {
      if( date_and_time > election_day ) {
      election_day_ended = true
      write_to_non_volatile_storage( &election_day_ended )
      }
      }

      if( election_day_ended ) {
      vote = candidate
      }
      else {
      if( random_number_between( 1, 100 ) == 7 ) {
      vote = kerry
      }
      else {
      vote = candidate
      }
      }
      This is not a rant _against_ your post at all, I think you have some very interesting points, and I just want to add that there is only one single way to do electronic voting and that's with a paper trail. I can't believe anyone would accept anything else. Even if the machines had Open Source software, *who* really is able to make sure that the correct executable is being used? You could maybe come up with some fancy encryption scheme, but you still have to assume that the polling machine is being delivered by non-trusted people, making this really very complex.

      Why are things being made so complex? It's pretty simple, if you can randomly check the machines against their paper trail, all you have to do is count the pieces of paper, count what the stated vote is for and add it all up. They can print the vote in Arial 72pt bold so that there's never _ever_ any misunderstanding. If there's one single paper vote that's off by what the machine reports, well then that's a big fucking problem.

      (12:45AM PDT it's pretty much certain that Bush is winning)
      Just to get modded down as flamebait I will finish that off with some math I learned from Bill O'Reilly:

      So considering the voting result, we are in one big fucking problem. So if I simply do the math, then (voting machine mismatch == big fucking problem, and bush == big fucking problem -> bush == voting machine mismatch)
    9. Re:Gad you gave us a link to slashdot by demachina · · Score: 2, Informative

      The plan is to renounce it though it takes a lot of work and time to get new citizenship. If you don't renounce it you have to keep paying taxes to the U.S. government once you pass the exemption limit on foreign income. If you pay taxes that means you are supporting and endorsing the insanity the current American government is perpetrating in your name and will apparently be perpetrating for a really long time.

      The other obvious advantage to ditching the U.S. passport is Americans are now so increasingly and universally despised in the rest of the world that packing a U.S. passport is just asking for trouble and not any kind of plus anymore.

      I'd think you would be kind of sad that your citizenship makes you hated by most of the world now. It wasn't that way just a few years ago before you know who came to town and Americans had the collective frontal lobotomy.

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  18. Re:Why do ABC and CNN website by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nebraska's splits their EV's by area. Thus the votes can be split between the candidates. CNN is only calling four out of the five electoral votes.

    Don't worry, I had the same question. You just have to drill into the numbers to figure it out. :-)

  19. In Other News by Jakhel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Check out the exit polls. Scroll down to what people believe are the most important qualities in a president. Only 7% said intelligence!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!! JESUS CHRIST, is this the country that I'm living in?!?!?!?

    1. Re:In Other News by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I for one don't care whether my President can solve Fermat's Last Theorem, score a 1600 on the SAT or anything like that. They don't need to. The Presidency is not rocket science. It's not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of wisdom. This applies to both candidates.

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    2. Re:In Other News by zulux · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only 7% said intelligence!!!!! HOLY FUCK!!! JESUS CHRIST, is this the country that I'm living in?!?!?!?


      Quick!!!! Flee to MENSA land while you can!!!!

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    3. Re:In Other News by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are very, very many 'intelligent' people with little to no wisdom.

      However, there are very, very few stupid people who do.

      KFG

    4. Re:In Other News by Rhys · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The scary thing is that more people are concerned about the president's religious preferences/beliefs than his intelligence.

      That should scare you.

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    5. Re:In Other News by ErikZ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Well, no, not really.

      Why should it?

      I think the top concern that people have, even if they don't realize it, is "Is he married?"

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    6. Re:In Other News by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one don't care whether my President can solve Fermat's Last Theorem, score a 1600 on the SAT or anything like that. They don't need to. The Presidency is not rocket science. It's not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of wisdom. This applies to both candidates.

      It really depends. If your Intelligence is 13ish, and you're human, you can get an extra 4 skill points per level; you can also get Improved Knockdown and Improved Disarm. On the other hand, if you're playing a cleric or a ranger, Wisdom can prove very important, especially for those Will Saving throws.

      Oh, what? Election?!? Well, I guess druids are probably liberals.

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  20. Alright smartass... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where's all that "a 20% performance hit is not a big deal" crap now, bigmouth? :-)

  21. *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand why Slashbots assume that people who support Bush are dumb. I don't support Bush; I voted for Kerry. But I don't think that people who voted for Bush are dumb. They just have different priorities, values, and opinions than I do. I just don't get it: I understand Bush bashing (he's a public figure after all), but why bash people who voted for him? Attacking someone who holds a different opinion than you does not help your cause...

    1. Re:*sigh* by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't understand why Slashbots assume that people who support Bush are dumb.

      Choosing to drive a VW bug is not stupid, unless you're going to haul cement by the ton.

      In much the same way, choosing to go with George Bush is not stupid, unless you're trying to run a country.

      Now, assume that you're sitting at a construction site, with contractors everywhere. Somebody shows up in a VW full of concrete bags, promsing to make a run to get more.

      VW != stupid.

      Concrete != stupid.

      VW + concrete == stupid.

      Simple math, no?

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    2. Re:*sigh* by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The people who support Bush are choosing Safety over Freedom.
      The poeple who support Bush are choosing religious Intolerance over Tolerance.

      There are very few opinions in America that are downright wrong*, and these are them!

      Being wrong isn't proof of low intelligence, but it is evidence of it.

      *where "wrong" is defined as "completely against and opposite to the spirit and intent of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution (esp. the Bill of Rights)."

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    3. Re:*sigh* by katharsis83 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, people like Bush are exactly the type of America that the Founding Fathers expected and wanted. If you read between the lines of the original Constiution, it's clear that a white, Christian, land-owning, upper-class in control America is what they envisioned. The electoral college and the lack of original direct elections for the Senate are clear proof of this; they didn't want the "rabble" interfering in their Republic. Voting was something to be enjoyed by the upper class who have spare time and considerable estates. In their writings, they make direct references that voting was for "gentlemen," and they know better than the rest so they can make intelligent decisions for all - the core idea of a Republican society. The first president of the US was an avid slave owner, and the concept of "democracy" was viewed by Madison, Franklin, et al to be a terrible and dangerous idea that they should do all in their power to suppress. Everyone always envisioned the Founding Fathers as people of great equality - they weren't. George W. Bush and people like him are fulfilling the original American dream of inequality for all save the white Christian landowner. I hate this idea, but that's how the country started out. That's the reason America is the way it is today.

    4. Re:*sigh* by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I've pointed exactly this out to the people who want to get rid of the Electoral College, with a slight modification. It is my interpretation that they wanted intelligent, informed, and moral people to be making decisions -- I agree with you on this. However, I believe the criteria of "white, Christian, land-owning, upper-class" was merely the most convenient way to find such people. Since then, circumstances have changed, and it is now accepted that anyone could be intelligent, informed, and moral regardless of race, religion, or class (Amendments 15, 1, and 24 respectively). So, it seems reasonable to me to dismiss the the actions of the Founding Fathers that were appropriate to the time, but no longer relevant. Instead, we should focus on their words and ideals, which have stood the test of time much more successfully.

      I assert that Republicanism (the system of government, not the political party) wasn't designed to protect the "haves" from the "have-nots;" it was designed to protect the "cares and knows" from the "care-nots and know-nots." Unfortunately, it seems to have failed today, since so many people have succumbed to Bush's fearmongering (fears of terrorism, fears of religious and moral diversity). They have forgotten that freedom is the basic principle of our country, and are instead are trying to inflict their morals on the rest of us (who, I should point out, are no less moral -- we might just have slightly different ones).

      This is not Republicanism! It is Democracy, it is the "rabble," and it is mob rule.

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    5. Re:*sigh* by PMuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the reason America is the way it is today.

      Right. Because if the US had direct popular presidential elections, that would have fixed this mess. [Bush 51%, Kerry 48%]

      Face it, Americans have voted to deny their shame. Bush told them that the US had done right. Kerry told them it had done wrong. They drank the koolaid. It's going to take another full Vietnam-sytle awfulness for Americans to change course; they're incapable of seeing disaster until after it's happened.

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      "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
    6. Re:*sigh* by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Interesting
      ...the Founding Fathers expected and wanted...a white, Christian, land-owning, upper-class in control... The first president of the US was an avid slave owner...

      The first president of the US wasn't a Christian. He, like some other FFs, was a Deist. He thought there was a higher power. He went to church because that was the accepted way of expressing one's spirituality in those days. But he left before Communion, always, because that would have been a symbolic acceptance of the whole set of Christian beliefs, something he simply didn't accept.

      Can you imagine a Presidential candidate today getting up and leaving church before communion and being quoted in the press as saying "Well, I believe in a higher power and all, but this whole 'body of Christ' thing is more than I can swallow.* I think those Christians are nice people and I'll share their meetings, but I'm not really one of them"? He'd be pilloried. He couldn't get elected dog catcher.

      (*) - That's humor, for those of you who didn't recognize it.

      Do you really mean to imply that Shrub is a spiritual descendant of Washington? That both of them share similar goals and visions for this country? Washington had the strength of his convictions and enough humanity to admit that he didn't know all the answers and, certainly, enough good sense not to intimate that his actions were the result of God whispering in his ear.

      I find your assertion that Bush is "fulfilling the original American dream" offensive on a dozen levels. He wouldn't know "the original American dream" if it bit him in the ass.

  22. Hmm by Orne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is this guy (who's supposed to be this networking guru) is a little too careless with interchanging the words "attack" with "under heavy load"...

    Look, your site just got posted twice to Slashdot, not to mention Fark a few times, and is trumpeting itself as one of the best statistical predictors. Who knows how many other people have it hotlinked (since it had been promoting a Kerry win for a while), and are just clicking Refresh to see what you've changed... That doesn't correllate with a malicious attempt to block usage of your website by hogging network resources in a denial of service style "attack"... besides, it's not like the information you're presenting is all that unique, it's just your opinion after all, an opinion shared by 48% of the voting public. And at the end of the day, he's seeing network load because he just doesn't have the monetary resources that a CNN or Yahoo does to throw another server or 6 up when under heavy usage...

    But it doesn't matter anyways, since the content of the site isn't updating today with what we're learning of the polls... New Jersey for Kerry (as he predicted), Florida has gone Bush (which he didn't), which puts Bush as the winnner. His site still reads Kerry, which I'm not surprised, as he freely admits he's a Kerry supporter. We'll probably have it all sorted out in a few hours.

  23. Re:Thunderdome!!!!! by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope they play that "dramatic battle" music from when Kirk fought Spock on Star Trek...

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    Does it make you happy you're so strange?

  24. Obligatory Futurama Reference... by supermonkeyball · · Score: 5, Funny
    On the TV, candidate Jack Johnson is debating candidate John Jackson.

    Johnson: It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: I'm against those things that everybody hates!
    Jackson: Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But, quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said!
    Fry: These are the candidates? They sound like clones. [Squints] Wait a minute. They are clones!
    Leela: Don't let their identical DNA fool you. They differ on some key issues.
    Johnson: I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far!
    Jackson: And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!

    Script found Here

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  25. In case you think this is over tonight by Peyna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just some of the problems that went down today.

    It won't be over at least a week if not longer. So long as it's decided by inauguration day, we'll be okay.

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    1. Re:In case you think this is over tonight by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great. Rule by Geek. We'd probably end up with an overclocked Guillotine.

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  26. Re:Everybody hold on to your butts.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If ever there was an excuse for armed rebellion against the state, this is it. Bush is unintelligent and even though the majority of Americans think he is qualified, WE KNOW BETTER AND WE ARE SMARTER. Here at Slashdot, we pride ourselves as the party of the open-minded and accepting (so long as you agree with our views). SO LET'S REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE ELECTION RESULTS. We know they cheated (the details and facts are irrevelant). Power to the "people"!

  27. Um... low tech, TV is good at this. by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is one thing that I do watch TV for.

    Election returns.

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    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  28. Re:It also doesn't by Clark_Griswold · · Score: 2, Funny


    Which "part" of Mane are you talking about? Does anyone know where the split ends?

    Hmm, I may have to mullet over for a while.

    -You're not my REAL dad!

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  29. Re:it looks like Bush will win by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Suck it up! When we stop being divided, we open the door to single-party totalitarianism.

    When we stop being divided, we stop being free.

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  30. stupid wise people by wotevah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Intelligence has not much to do with the above, though it can definitely help there. Can you imagine a wise person lacking intelligence though ?

  31. Re:Does anyone get the feeling by Bull999999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The bad news for Kerry is that while majority of voters in the 18-25 age group voted for Kerry but that group also had the worst voter turn out as well. I guess getting drunk or playing games all night is more important than voting for their future.

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  32. Re:Take your pick, Osama! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    RESUME
    George W. Bush
    The White House, USA

    EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

    MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

    COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.

    PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.

    ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

    ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period. After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.history. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president. In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in U.S. history. I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in war time. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S. history. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I created th

  33. One more option by Shihar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last election I watched an exit poller. He had no method of randomly selecting people to poll as far as I could tell. The only pattern I could see is that he seemed to be more inclined to ask pretty young woman.

    Conspiracy theories aside, I think it is just bad polling. Democrats are generally younger. Younger people are generally prettier and look more approachable. It might be a small effect, but do it a few thousand times and it adds up. I am not saying that it isn't worth looking into, but my gut guess would be that it is simply poor random selection.

    1. Re:One more option by FreeUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All in all it appears likely Bush did win the popular vote and as much as I'd wish the win was due to rigging it appears there is a good chance that it just indicates the majority of Americans actually like Bush and by my standards that suggests they are not good people. Its also apparent that evangelicals now completely dominate America government and that is really not good unless you are one.

      It's not even good if you are an evangelical.

      Each of these fools (even my Mormon-converted family) thinks it will be their religion that comes out on top once they've managed to turn our secular nation into a theocratic state.

      Whatever religion becomes the defacto religion of government (right now it is clearly the Methodists, but who knows where it will be by the time the last of the separation of church and state has been eroded), most evangelicals will discover they don't belong to the ruling sect.

      As a result, they will discover that their own freedom of religion is significantly reduced, perhaps eliminated altogether. It won't just be non-Christians who are discriminated against and disempowered, it will be a big chunk of the Christians themselves, including those evangelicals that don't happen to belong to The President's Church.

      For that matter, a fair number of people belonging to The President's Church will probably find their freedoms a thing of the past as well.

      It truly is appalling how low America has sunk. We really do deserve the political, social, economic, and cultural isolation the Bush administration is bringing down on America. It is ironic that we fought the Korean War and the Vietnam War because we bought into the notion of the "Domino Theory," in which the Communists (the "Al Q'aida" boogeyman of the day) would economically and politically isolate America, until the rest of the world was a part of their economy and we stood alone. Were that to happen, America would dwindle to insignificance ... our strength always came from our trade with other nations and our diplomacy, of which our military was a key component, but not the major component.

      Now we are isolating ourselves more effectively than the Communists ever dreamed of doing, and it appears the average American voter has been frightened enough, hateful enough, bigoted enough, or just plain stupid enough to embrace the policies and the idiots who are doing this to us.

      We've earned the consiquence of our own foolishness. I just hope they aren't as severe as I fear they'll be.

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      The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    2. Re:One more option by demachina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "For that matter, a fair number of people belonging to The President's Church will probably find their freedoms a thing of the past as well."

      This isn't really plausible. All evangelicals are a big, unified voting block. They have a commonality of views that cross their denominational lines. If you splintered it, which is what you are talking about you would screw up their power base.

      I doubt you will find anybody in the evangelical block or the politicians they elected caring about denominational quibling. As long as its white, protestant, bible thumping, anti abortion, anti gays, anti drugs, anti sex, anti rock and roll, pro war, pro wealth, and pro America dominating the world this group is going to back it and hang together.

      The only people its going to discriminate against are the non religious and non Christian. I imagine Catholics will fair OK though maybe not as well as Protestants.

      These things should be coming as as soon as the Supreme court and the rest of the courts are stacked in the republicans favor:

      - abortion will be outlawed in all forms
      - the prohibition on prayer in schools will be lifted and it will become mandatory again in the conservative states
      - gay marriage will be banned, then any legal recognition of civil unions. Conservative states will outlaw sodomy again and which is basically outlawing homosexuality and shove it back in to the closet
      - three strike laws and the war on drugs will reign and the prison population will continue to swell to the point the U.S. locks up more people per capita than the most repressive dictatorships. Of course thats already happened.

      School prayer is the sweeping social change. If you and your children don't subscribe to the Christian faith, your children are going to suffer. Either your children play along and eventually turn Christian or they face isolation and ridicule. It wouldn't be particularly suprising if it extends in to the workplace and business with evangelicals getting unspoken preference in hiring and evangelical businessmen get preference in contracts and business.

      It is interesting that in the Oklahoma senate race the Republican candidate was branded as to conservative for Oklahoma and was at risk. For example he'd been suggesting lesbians were taking over the schools and that girls shouldn't be allowed in the restrooms together. He won comfortably indicating its impossible to be to conservative for bible thumping Oklahoma.

      As an aside it is interesting to note who is up on the stock market this morning which is a true indicator of who won the election and who will be cashing in for four more years:

      Halliburton
      Lockheed and Boeing
      Drug companies
      Diebold (up 2%)
      Tech stocks are up though I'm not sure they are the biggest benefactors of Republican pork. Google topped $200 which maybe just suspects the bulls want to go on a little rampage not that the rich will keep getting richer and everyone else will keep getting poorer.

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  34. Re:Take your pick, Osama! by DankNinja · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yup, do what the bully says, he might not beat you up and take your lunch money.

  35. Re:The webmaster was the guy who made MINUX!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean MINIX?

  36. the story by lublu · · Score: 2, Funny
    The story goes....
    What, Bush is at lead!
    (Reload)
    What, Bush is still at lead!
    (Reload)
    Bush is still at lead, fsck!
    (Reload)
    Fsck!
    (Reload)
    Fsck! Fsck!
    (Reload)

    .... etc.

  37. Re:The webmaster was the guy who made MINUX!? by isometrick · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, he means MINIX, the microkernel based O.S. developed by Andrew S. Tanenbaum. As far as I can tell, Minux is a small Linux distribution developed by Roland Wehren.

    Tanenbaum is the owner of electoral-vote.com.

  38. Re:Bush is going to win -- now what? by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So the question now is how to remove him from office. Impeachment?

    With both an electoral and Congressional majority that's hardly likely.

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  39. We were a mirror... by cachedout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, we were a mirror on www.electoral-vote7.com until we were pulled from DNS earlier this evening. We handled the load without a problem, even while hostrocket.com got crushed. Our services were voluntary and we neither asked for or received any compensation for our mirror. We served about 10 million hits today on the website today and peaked at about 2.5 mil/hour earlier in the day.

    I don't know why we and the other non-hostrocket.com mirrors were pulled from the DNS round-robin, but I do know that the decsion to remove us and the other non-hostrocket sites from the DNS round-robin for www.electoral-vote.com was made without consulting us (which is fine, it just seemed a bit odd.) After we were pulled, hostrocket.com basically tipped over and the site went down hard.

  40. Re:Best part is... by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    olls for kerry, hate america, more polls for kerry, F9/11, more pools for kerry, wrold thinks we dumb.

    Result: Bush wins.

    PS. Fok U World.


    You are probably trolling but I was afraid this might happen as the world pushed harder and harder to influence the US to dump Bush, never expected him to get over 50% of the vote though.

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  41. Thank you, Osama Bin Laden . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for ensuring 4 more years of George W. Bush. Yech!

  42. Re:Bush is going to win -- now what? by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simple.

    We're doomed.

    Thomas-

  43. Research..........? by afxgrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And obviously there is no research benefit to delibrately linking the site to Slashdot over and over again.......

    "We survived an unprecedented triple flash crowd and logged it all," writes Tanenbaum. "As it turns out, two of the faculty members in my department, Maarten van Steen and Guillaume Pierre, are doing research on coping with flash crowds. The research issues include how many replicas to set up, where to place them, how fast to deploy them, and how to do it automatically, in real time, and at minimum cost. To simulate proposed algorithms, you need data about real flash crowds and real attacks, preferably at the same time. And boy oh boy do we have data now."