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Aboriginal Languages Now Easier on the Web

orkz writes "The BBC reports that Canada's Inuit can now publish to the web in their native language of Inuktitut, as well as more easily view websites that contain their syllabic font, thanks to a system a developed by a unique ASP, Web Networks that provides services to socially committed organizations."

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  1. Sounds great! by zaqattack911 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Now all the villagers can crowd around the one internet connected PC in a 6,000 Mile radius to blog about some whale blubber :)

    Ouch.. just kidding.. err I'm clutured. I promise.

    Love,
    Zaq

    1. Re:Sounds great! by maddskillz · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's easy to make jokes when it's not your tax dollars paying for this

    2. Re:Sounds great! by zaqattack911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh grow up.

      There are a million and one non-profit orgs just like this one that use your tax money. It's a fact of life. If you don't like it, move to Rawanda.

      Second, since I'm Canadian.. these are my tax dollars too.

      Love,
      Zaq
      P.S. Since you are probably 12 years old, this is all a moot point.

    3. Re:Sounds great! by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      That is the problem. There are too many non-profit organiztions, each taking a larger and larger piece of the pie. And what does the average person get? Nothing. If a culture can't support itself, natural selection states that it should die.
      If you want to support this with your own money/time, great for you. I am sick of the government spending money on things that have little/no effect on the populace.

      PS Since you are probably in your 30's or 40's you are probably used to haveing the government spend well beyond their means, and choose to rack up an enormous debt that you will allow younger generations to pay for

    4. Re:Sounds great! by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Second, since I'm Canadian.. these are my tax dollars too

      Typical Canadian attitide: "I'm being robbed blind, so I'll be damned if you aren't as well."

      How long will it be before Canadians realize just how badly their government is robbing and murdering (taking tax $ for "healthcare" and then not providing it in life and death situations despite more having been paid in taxes that the cost to pay for lifesaving surgery required) them?

      Canadian culture is all about identifying with an impoverished group unable to sustain it's desired goals in order to get a handout stolen from hardworking individuals.

      I, at least, managed to leave -- temporarily anyway, and hopefully permanently. I will not stand by and be taxed to support an ongoing genocide of the productive: Americans (and others) get my charity freely, instead.

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    5. Re:Sounds great! by togofspookware · · Score: 1

      Sounds good to me. All us communist liberals can move up North, and if you don't like it, you can come down here!

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    6. Re:Sounds great! by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Sounds good to me too. :-) All together now: "Good Riddance!" Though, you'll find Canadians generally find Democrats too far to the right (yes, "the right" ?!) for their liking.

      Saw a comical map of U.S.A. and Canada with the post-election democratic States combined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada", and the (religeous right) republican areas labeled "Jesusland".

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    7. Re:Sounds great! by togofspookware · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Sounds great! by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Well, as a libertarian, if pressed, I'd generally lean Republican instead of Democrat, if those were my only two options.

      However, as of late, Republicans have lost all sense of small government and fiscal restraing, while moving dangerously toward a theocracy.

      I'dve preferred a Democrat President just to move the Administration at odds with the House and Senate and provide some room for reflection (Stalemated governments do little good, but can't do much bad either).

      Of course, I can't vote in U.S. elections (and would've voted Libertarian rather than for a perceived lesser of two evils if I could), so my opinion is rather moot.

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    9. Re:Sounds great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sustain it's desired goals

      "its".

    10. Re:Sounds great! by aminorex · · Score: 1

      Indeed, what is occuring is enslavement. By accumulating enough public debt, the leadership can enforce universal total taxation, at which point you are a chattel slave. In the mean time, you are being enslaved incrementally. It's all good. Canadians are even worse than USAns, in that they their vast open spaces and shallow history make them think they can grow their way out of misery. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. You're being pushed into two tiny cities, for sheering and subsequent slaughter.

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    11. Re:Sounds great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the "T".

  2. its nice to see... by luvbassonacid · · Score: 1

    ...technology allow for something like this

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  3. This is? by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So, this is using server-side font specification to display Pigiarniq glyphs without the user having the font installed, right? I hadn't realized you could do that (What exactly is being sent over the wire?) but it doesn't seem like any great technical advance has been made.

    Good for the Inuit, though! I'm curious to see if they can really implement Inuktitut as the language of government in Nunavut.

    1. Re:This is? by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well if you look at the page, what's sent over the wire is an image of the glyphs, kinda like the tex format to image converters. The server must read the code, translate it then convert the output into an image and shove it in the page where it should be before sending it out to the user. Really cool.

      Doesn't seem like a huge innovation, but it's a great thing for the intuit people. The large advances for people seem to be taking something that's developed and applying it in a new way. Good work.

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    2. Re:This is? by mapinguari · · Score: 1

      It looks like GIF is what's actually being sent, although with a .fd extension instead of .gif.

    3. Re:This is? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Really cool, I remember using Shodouka - a proxy server that used the same technique to read Japanese webpages back in 1995 (long before browsers supported foreign languages). It was certainly a huge innovation back then, though with processor power as it is today, generating images on the fly like that might seem more trivial.

    4. Re:This is? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      I dunno about you, but I'd find it much, much cooler if the TTF itself was just sent down the pipe, rather than converting to an image. Converting to an image seems like a cheap (but needed) hack, where as having a TTF or other font file your browser could apply would make a lot more sense, be more flexible and stay truer to the document (text, not graphics). I've had a handful of designers ask if there was any way to do that, as they'll have nice, neato fonts on their machines but that aren't on the majority of the client machines.

      That is one reason flash-based sites and to a lesser extent PDFs are pretty popular- you can embed fonts and make sure it looks the same everywhere.

      As for the aboriginals in my area- the Ojibwe/Anishinaabe- we've been able to speak it online for ever, but we have the 7-vowel orthagraphy and can write Ojibwe language in regular english characters. ;)

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  4. But this is in Unicode already by MotownAvi · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. Canadian Aboriginal is already in Unicode (U+1400-U-167F) as of 3.0. Hell, I think Mac OS X even comes with a font covering it.

    Where's the magic? The translation to graphics on the fly for people with old browers?

    1. Re:But this is in Unicode already by eviltypeguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [i]Where's the magic? The translation to graphics on the fly for people with old browers?[/i]

      That's part of what was in the article. The way they're doing it almost regardless of the browser they're using or how old the machine is.

    2. Re:But this is in Unicode already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a large difference between NA aboriginal and inuit. Perhaps Inuit isn't covered in most fonts.

  5. Ummm...So what? by sepluv · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't see what this achieves except a quick buck for the company concerned as Unicode has supported canadian syllabalics for ages. One can view Inuktitut pages fine if you install an appropriate font. (It must be a slow news day on /.--or maybe /. gets brown envelopes for these company press-release/ad stories)

    Also how much do these guys know about character sets? The Attavik website uses "latin1" (a non existent charset--should be "ISO-8859-1"--and why not UTF-8 so they don't need images) and is content-free giving no one any real idea what they do. From what it says I think they sell proprietary software to Inuktitut organisations (that they probs don't need) though.

    Also, the companies homepage (which sucks) doesn't have a charset (and is not UTF-8/ASCII) and is very invalid even when you do work the charset out.

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  6. Living Dictionary by Hellvetica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The previous company I worked for had a part in developing The Living Dictionary at least three years ago now. Sun's site has a short piece on it.

  7. Australian indigenous languages falling fast... by ivi · · Score: 1

    In Australia, indig. lang's are all too quickly going out of use & human memory...

    Arabunna (no longer spoken, but originating north of Marree, in South Australia) has been preserved - as best as a non-indigenous research-educator can do - to date, in a massive loose-leaf binder (published, in 2004, by SA's Education Dep't), soon to be supplemented with an audio CD of people reading and/or speaking this language.

    In the Marree Aboriginal School, we heard kids being encouraged to sing non-indigenous kids' songs, with lyrics translated to Arabunna.

    A multimedia version of a simple kids story (written for the purpose) was also translated into Arabunna & read (& recorded) by one of the few surviving people (a woman living far south of the original Arabunna lands) & blended with colorful drawings of scenes for the story.

    When money is available research records, documents & analyses some of the languages... but few urban (or, as here, "urbanised") indigenous young people seem to be speaking them, except when they wish to pass small "secrets" while others are present, who do not know any of the language (as all kids will do...).

    There are festivals (eg, "Croc Festival 2004") around Austraila that attempts to celebrate local indigenous culture (or that from around the states or territories in which they are held), again while funding is available.

    I haven't see any signs of a re-birth of at least the Arabunna language... Indeed several of the Marree kids are said to be using more broadly known words from other indigenous languages.

    I have not, for myself, decided whether this cultural recording & (to some degree) encouragement is geniune for - God forbid! - just to develop more plausible content to offer or refer to when tourists come around...

    Contrast this with the re-birth of Hebrew into modern Hebrew (which, of course, is actually used in Israel).

    The former seems to be to be encouraged by external government funding bodies, while the latter seems to have come from the people itself, by way of preparing to create the State of Israel.

    Would that our indigenous peoples were as highly motivated in re-creating their cultures, as they seem to be in sports, so that they were leading their own projects & not simply being lead by others, eg, who may wish to have some "show communities" to point to, when international guests or dignataries come to SA.

    For, side by side, the well-funded but externally lead academic projects (staffed, I would suggest, mostly by non-indigenous people) that seem to be happening in a town of under 100 people are the all too typical social problems, for which South Australia has recently been known:

    - addiction to recently permitted Poker Machines,
    - alcoholism, &
    - all that comes from the above

    The most recent Commonwealth Government contribution:

    Funding for the construction of a large, empty shed - a "youth shed."

    Nothing to put inside it, no shade for it... just a space, behind the Telecentre (where computers can he used, a bit like an Internet cafe).

    No one seems to be addressing the social issues... and the resulting gambling & alcohol use contributes only to non-indigenous business operators' wealth.

    A recent proposal (from another state's indigenous leader) was that gov't and/or corporations should pay to send indigenous students to private schools, as they are not getting enough from the public schools to give them skills to manage & improve their own communities, generally speaking.

    A radio program (Bush Telegraph or Country Breakfast) told of a "technical advancement" - an software that displays outputs from a community's accounting program with icons representing where money goes & possibly where it comes from...

    (Dumbing down or approprate to the people who need to manage their own affairs?)

    We read that Canadian & US indigenous peoples' health statistics run -much- closer to non-in

  8. Are they sure thats Inuktitut? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    It looks suspiciously like the kind of garbage you get when you load up a page that your browser doesn't have language support for! :)

  9. Even old browsers can do this. by seanyboy · · Score: 1

    It's a strange solution. Embedded font support has been integrated into internet explorer for years, and although they seem to have stripped it out of Mozilla, netscape used to be compatible with trueDoc. Links: (Microsoft Font Embedding) and truedoc)

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  10. Re: Inuktitut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya, I use that program for my financial records.

  11. It's about time... by CodeWanker · · Score: 1

    we've had language support for KLINGON for, oh, how many star dates now? I can't wait to see how Babelfish mangles it: cruising for chicks becomes !@#@@#!!@@$##@#@ (kayaking for baby terns.)

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  12. trueDoc is proprietary by dmoen · · Score: 1
    Embedded font support has been integrated into internet explorer for years, and although they seem to have stripped it out of Mozilla, netscape used to be compatible with trueDoc

    The TrueDoc technology involves DRM to "prevent users from stealing your fonts". I imagine the software is proprietary, and not open source compatible. This must be one of those bits of proprietary software that Netscape ripped out before releasing the Navigator source code.

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  13. OK...that's nice, but... by jejones · · Score: 1

    ...rendering the character set as graphics means that unless you have Opera, which scales graphics as well as text when you set the zoom. Not to mention that blind Inuit are SOL--does Canada have an equivalent of the Americans with Disabilities Act?