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Competition Fosters Next Generation Of Linux Talent

gollum123 writes "Yahoo reports that about 3,000 students from 75 countries registered for the 2004 IBM Linux Scholar Challenge before registration closed Oct. 31, the largest turnout in the competition's history. This year's winners will be revealed in January at LinuxWorld in Boston. Each entry consists of a 1,200-word essay that can describe the solution to one of 29 Linux-related challenges IBM poses as part of the competition. Entrants, who must be enrolled full time at an accredited university, aren't limited to these challenges and can suggest and solve their own problems. The IBM-provided challenges include asking entrants to identify deficiencies in Linux and propose solutions, describe how to build a high-availability application that would provide failover capability across multiple IBM servers, and improve boot time on a Linux-based IBM ThinkPad."

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  1. Requirements are lame by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "full time at an accredited university"

    That's just wrong. Some of the best programmers and computer folks I ever met, didn't even go to colleges.

    1. Re:Requirements are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... and that's just wrong for so many reasons. You learn so much more at college where you're taught and learn from others about alternatives, formal methodology, etc. The days of high school IT men/women making any significant money is rapidly disappearing.

    2. Re:Requirements are lame by Omniscientist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are probably correct, I can see no harm in IBM accepting people who have little or no college experience but are damn good at Linux hacking and proposing some good new ideas. IBM is just limiting itself there.

    3. Re:Requirements are lame by greenreaper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Guess what - if you're not at an accredited university, you don't count as a scholar! Maybe you learnt stuff in your spare time, but if you are hands-on rather than making a habit of it, it doesn't count. :-)

      (OK, so people at high school get excluded, too, but I suspect if they managed to produce an adequate answer I suspect they'd let it slide, and probably sponsor him/her through univerersity as well)

    4. Re:Requirements are lame by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's a scollarship challenge.

      If you don't go to school, you don't need a scollarship.

      If you want to complain that it shouldn't be a scollarship challenge, that's one thing. But don't complain about a scollarship challenge requiring people to be students.

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    5. Re:Requirements are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's for a scholarship, you dolt.

      A. College. Scholarship.

    6. Re:Requirements are lame by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually once you get in the door it is more about what you can do and less about what is on your resume.

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    7. Re:Requirements are lame by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      . . .if you're not at an accredited university, you don't count as a scholar!

      scholar n.

      1.
      a. A learned person.

      KFG

    8. Re:Requirements are lame by erick99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not wrong because you don't like it. You may wish they had done it differently but it is their game and their money. Besides, it seems to be an academically oriented competition.

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    9. Re:Requirements are lame by greenreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      . . .
      2. One who attends school or studies with a teacher; a student.

      IBM is using this definition. Which seems obvious when you regard how the competition is targeted - the article even mentions "to drum up enthusiasm among students"

    10. Re:Requirements are lame by zurab · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you don't go to school, you don't need a scollarship.

      Unless you can't go to college because you cannot afford it, or you were forced to drop out for financial reasons - then scholarship would be a lot of help.
    11. Re:Requirements are lame by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You learn so much more at college where you're taught and learn from others about alternatives, formal methodology, etc.

      you're both wrong.

      what the i.t. world really needs is an apprenticeship programme.

      an apprenticeship system would create a common, impartial body to set standards of skill and competence and provide a structured yet flexible on the job learning path to get i.t. people from basement geek to enterprise administrator.

      it's not like the industry doesn't already run on this type of system in an informal way already. you get your degree, and then spend a year working as a "night operator" changing tapes. only once you've proven diligent enough to not screw up the back ups do you move on deployment, then troubleshooting, then planning and, finally, administration.

      we should formalize the process so that real experience translates directly to accredation.

    12. Re:Requirements are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A lot of these doors aren't really closed to those without degrees. They're just closed to those without enough confidence in their skills and experience to apply anyway.

      I've been at a number of companies that, in an effort to cut down on the massive flood of resumes they receive, put their requirements fairly high. They usually listed a college degree in CS or something similar. However, when it came time to review the resumes, they didn't really care about the education listings -- just the experience, work examples, demonstration of skills, etc. Quite a few of those hired were without degrees.

      I would suggest anytime someone sees a job listing and they think they'd be great for, but it says "college degree required", read it as "college degree or equivalent experience required". Everything is negotiable. In the end they're looking for the right person for the job, and the job listing is just the wishlist of everything at the company that could use doing.

    13. Re:Requirements are lame by freeweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And remember, kids:

      The plural of "anecdote" is still not "data".

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    14. Re:Requirements are lame by davew2040 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Judging from my experience with network admins, I think there would be a serious problem with mentors scaring off the entire next generation of talented IT candidates.

    15. Re:Requirements are lame by krymsin01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      and then become the deviant yourself...

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    16. Re:Requirements are lame by Seeker_350 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what the i.t. world really needs is an apprenticeship programme......you get your degree, and then spend a year working as a "night operator" changing tapes. only once you've proven diligent enough to not screw up the back ups.....

      You're a nutcase of the worst kind. Why the hell should any kid motivated enough to pursue a college-education want to start out doing a job we already pay Indians and the Uneducated to do?

  2. Misread... by HitByASquirrel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hah, at first glance all I picked up was "Fosters Linux" and I thought "huh, what will the Aussies do next?"

    1. Re:Misread... by virgil_attack · · Score: 2, Funny
      Mmmm, a hard earned thirst needs a big cold beer!!

      http://nachoism.org/vb-linux.png

  3. Sorry, pal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is a contest that involves writing. Absolutely none of the one-dimensional, high-school-dipolma-only computer geeks I know can write for shit. It's appalling. A college education doesn't necessarily improve writing skills (just look at the people who post to Slashdot) because not everyone chooses to take advantage of the broad spectrum of educational options available at college, but for those who do, they are head and shoulders above people whose sole talent in life is programming.

    Furthermore, I don't think it makes much sense to award a scholarship to someone who's not in college. Is that so unreasonable?

  4. Sample Problems by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative
    After a little searching, I found a list of 29 possible challenges for the students to solve. It's a PDF: Linux Challenge Options.

    Second, I can't wait to see the results of this. Should be interesting to see how some of these are solved, and what other interesting challenges people come up with to try to solve.

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    1. Re:Sample Problems by stoborrobots · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another interesting point - IBM actually runs Lotus WordPro internally. (The source file name for that PDF is LinuxChallenge-final 07.21.04.lwp)... While in an of itself that may not seem surprising, as IBM owns Lotus, it is interesting to not that this is a giant organisation which needs interoperability with thousands of other organisations, and they can still run an alternate office-suite...

    2. Re:Sample Problems by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't get too excited about that. I've worked at IBM for a number of years. First, everyone who uses WordPro hates it. Second, the only people who use it don't depend on interoperability with outside groups. Third, WordPro is being phased out for MS Word across the entire company, it's just taking a lot longer than it should.

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  5. High School Students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Im a full time jr in high school and I know more then most about Linux. I probably could of solved at least the thinkpad problem(im writing this on a T40). I will soon be going into college and I could use some extra help from big blue.

    1. Re:High School Students? by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I was in high school, I also felt I knew a lot about computers. Now I realize I knew shit. I still believe I still know shit, just a lot more shit than I used to.

      One of the main reasons for college is to teach you how to learn. High school won't do that, so they make college a requirement because you'll keep building on that.

      I'm not saying college is required or you won't do well if you don't go to college. Certainly not, but there are benefits to college besides what your teacher tests you on.

    2. Re:High School Students? by Iluvatar · · Score: 2

      "When you finish college, you think you know everything.
      When you finish your MS, you realize you don't know anything.
      When you finish your PhD, you realize you don't know anything, but neither does your advisor."
      -- popular wisdom

  6. ooh I got it by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Each entry consists of a 1,200-word essay that can describe the solution to one of 29 Linux-related challenges IBM poses as part of the competition...d to these challenges and can suggest and solve their own problems. The IBM-provided challenges include asking entrants to identify deficiencies in Linux and propose solutions

    Uninstall Linux and install FreeBSD.

    Oops, wait, that's only 5 words. Need another 1,195 to pad it out. Any suggestions?

    1. Re:ooh I got it by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Netcraft confirms: Humor on slashdot is dying.

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  7. Free Labor by slinky259 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Improving boot time on a ThinkPad...

    Does IBM own the essays, though? This was mentioned with Google's CodeJam thing too - Google stated that they pretty much owned whatever code was submitted and used to solve the problems. ~stephen

  8. Cheap labor? by discontinuity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny thought: isn't this a great way for IBM to get students to do work for free?

    Seriously though, the project list reads very much like a wish list of the things they'd like to have but don't want to spend the money on doing themselves.

    This isn't necessarily a bad thing (espectially if it leads to some students landing jobs with them). Just struck me as humorus in that "everything's a conspiracy / everyone has a hidden agenda" sort of way.

    1. Re:Cheap labor? by spisska · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They already have a system to get students to work for free -- its called internship, and there's plenty of students willing not only to work for free, but to pay their respective institutions for the privilege (and the course credit).

      On the other hand, this is an excellent way for IBM to do some university recruiting without having to pore over thousands of resumes.

    2. Re:Cheap labor? by automatix · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hmm, Students don't tend to end up doing "work for free" - there are more mistakes, less documentation, less understanding and experience of security, portability, and less foresight for future possibilities/developments [in general!]. All this requires other people to review it, document it, approve it, modify it. While maybe not costing as much as for a professional to do it, it certainly isn't free.

      Rob :)

  9. Re:I cant beleive this by erick99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see how that attitude and position would help the typical young person who wants a rewarding career. I have two boys that will finish their secondary education in the next few years and I could never tell them that some of the brightest people never went to college so don't worry too much about going. My college and graduate degrees have opened doors for me that would have otherwise been closed.

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  10. Re:I cant beleive this by whiteranger99x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I too believe that you don't always need a college degree to have commanding intelligence. However, I am aware of the real world expectations of the "job market", among other things, and having that degree determines whether artificial barriers are lifted or fortified.

    And sometimes it's a shame that someone who can otherwise think on their feet and do the job 10 times around without faltering are constricted, but that's how it goes.

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  11. Patent question by debrain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not all the hard questions in Linux's future are technical.

    To IBM challengees/anyone:

    How would you reconcile the need for innovation in Linux and the growing number of patents owned by a smaller and smaller group of large corporations, where these patents undermine the capacity to innovate?

    IBM, being the largest patent filer in the United States, probably has a unique perspective on this. Though I am grateful for their support of, and happy for their benefit from, Linux, I must concede that I wonder what will happen when their patent interests conflict with their Linux interests.

    1. Re:Patent question by Nailer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I read recently, I think on LWN, that IBM now earn more revenue from Linux than they do from their IP licensing (and yes, they make huge revenue from IP licensing).

      I can't be bothered looking it up. You do it.

    2. Re:Patent question by Peyna · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't be bothered looking it up. You do it.

      If only they would have passed for my footnotes on my research paper. [FN1]

      [1] - I can't be bothered looking it up. You do it.

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  12. Nice "competition" by DogDude · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm starting a new competition. I'm "challenging" 3000 college students to see who can clean my floors the best! The winner gets $20!! Competition my ass.

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  13. hmm by Zinoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What a great way of getting someone to solve your business programming problems on the cheap. :)

  14. Bummer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As one who met all the eligibility requirements for this competition, I think it would have been nice to have found out about it before the deadline... Maybe next year /. can run an article on it before the fact.

  15. Solution: by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2

    Study a bit more grammar, tell your principal to fuck off in front of several hundred witnesses, and enter college rather than waste a fourth year in high school.

    It worked for me. I ended up with a PowerBook and a free ride while my high school friends were being taught history by Bill and Ted.

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  16. hey!! i remember this! by onestickybit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was one of the winners in 2001. I actually like the idea. For those who are ranting about how IBM is getting work done for free and so on, i got to intern at the Linux Technology Center and had a blast there, it was worth it(and yea, the thinkpad was useful too).

  17. How to make IBM laptop boot faster? by boudie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Put the kernel in the bios. It's quite doable, so why aren't they doing it? http://www.linuxbios.org/

  18. Students by hkht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best way to get young people really intrested in linux is to have games which work hands down better on the linux platform.

    1. Re:Students by segmond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      rubbish.

      when i discovered linux in 94 at 10th grade, it had nothing to do with games. It was sheer curiosity. A lot of windows game geeks do nothing but play games, period. they are not interesting in exploring and learning, all they are interested is simply playing games.

      a young person discovering linux today, most likely will have to do so by theirself of through friends because their parents are definitely not going to be the source of introduction...

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  19. essay this.... by pioSko · · Score: 2, Funny


    Each entry consists of a 1,200-word essay that can describe the solution to one of 29 Linux-related challenges IBM poses as part of the competition.

    like... "How to install ATi drivers" ??

  20. Re:Lets split a few small hairs.. by steeviant · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool, then to speak up and remove all doubt."

    Surely you meant "than to speak up"?

  21. Already being done by pkphilip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am already doing this in my company - it is at a very early stage of implmentation.

    The primary premise is that software development is similar to artisanship - where an "artisan" joins work in a fairly junior grade and then learns the ropes from seniors and mentors who actively train their juniors on actual projects - all work is closely supervised with the express aim of maturing the skills of the juniors.

    All programmers join as apprentices and have to work their way up by earning the respect of their peers. All code is to be reviewed by seniors/mentors and peers and based on their review, the programmers will advance in grade.

    Everyone needs to know programming as well as an additonal skill - be it housekeeping, administration, finance etc so they can take on other roles if needed. In addition to programming, everyone will be associated with one of the additional roles they choose - for instance, you might be a programmer, but you could also be incharge of housekeeping responsibilities.

    Everyone is given an opportunity to choose the role in which they would like to work - for instance, people showing interest in marketing will be given the option of joining the marketing team as long as the marketing team is convinced that the person fits that role.

    Programmers are taken only based on references from others already in the organization - ofcourse, all this means that the company grows very slowly, but the advantages are that the skill levels are kept very high and people can move to a different division/department at short notice.

    Also, everyone in the organization interacts much more with each other and this helps team dynamics.

    I guess the work ethic and the general work philosophy is a bit like in a kibutz.

    Would like to hear what you guys think of this.

  22. Free Ideas from College Students... by Glove+d'OJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " IBM created its program in 2001 to drum up enthusiasm among students worldwide in Linux and open-source software."

    It sounds like some of these "theoretical" challenges may be issues that they have in-house, and are looking for some free help to solve.

    In 2001, post-bubble, I went on a job interview with a large, not-to-be-named corporate entity and was asked how I would approach / solve a few issues that they were having at the time. Wanting the job, I foolishly gave a couple insightful replies.

    Did I get the job? No. Were the solutions implemented? A friend of mine who works in that group said that the hiring manager (he with whom I interviewed) suddenly had some great insight on their current problems, and proposed solutions that sounded quite a bit like my interview replies.

    The bastard. My fault, though, for giving away the milk and not having them require that the cow at least be rented.

    Is IBM doing the same with these kids? Dunno. Looking at the 2004 Official Rules, however, section 8 of the agreement reads:

    By submitting entries, entrant grants the sponsors and their agents of this contest the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any way, in commerce, and in any and all media worldwide, including but not limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the entrants. Entrant also grants sponsors worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and royalty free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in
    whole or part and in any form without compensation.


    Things that make you go "tsk tsk." If I read this correctly, it means that they would own your idea as submitted, and can not only use it, but also sell it and / or patent it as their own.

    It gets even more fun, in section 9:

    At the sponsor's discretion, entrants may be required to submit source code to substantiate
    results reported in the entry.


    Bastards.

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