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Electronics Projects for 12-Year-Olds?

nepheles asks: "I've recently been asked to teach some electronics classes for a group of 12-year-olds. They're all new to it. Electronics always seemed boring in school, so for them, I've been looking at hands-on projects: I've considered making basic motors, steady-hand games, and Morse-code communication systems. What experiments have you seen in electronics that amazed you, and that could be recreated in the classroom? What cool things have you made that would be simple enough for a kid to do? At a meta level, how would you like to have been taught electronics?"

104 comments

  1. Fun for the Whole Family by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can have him build a Cyclotron

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  2. Two Words by Rie+Beam · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tazer Tag

    1. Re:Two Words by Zorilla · · Score: 1
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      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
  3. Some ideas by ebrandsberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    magnetic nailgun using light sensors to turn on/off electromagnets (did this one as a kid, put the nail through a board)

    A light sensor based levitation, again, similar idea.

    The idea is to make something cool in the end without having to know a whole lot upfront.

    1. Re:Some ideas by Vokbain · · Score: 1

      magnetic nailgun using light sensors to turn on/off electromagnets (did this one as a kid, put the nail through a board)

      Teaching 12 year old kids to build weapons is a great idea. While a nailgun isn't dangerous on its own, you can always count on some dumb kid to shoot one of his classmates, either by accident or on purpose.

    2. Re:Some ideas by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      actually I was thinking along the lines of the nail gun but instead of nails use hotwheel cars. Build a cool track and have it accerlerate the cars through loops and such.

      Hwat about Legomindstorms and build lego sumobots.

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    3. Re:Some ideas by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it WOULD get their interest. The levitation thing would probably be more appropriate for 12 year olds though...

    4. Re:Some ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes this "OMG, weapon!" menatality just gets way out of hand. If the kid wants to hurt someone, he can either: A) Pick up the (heavy) home-made electromagnetic nailgun, set it up, plug it in, take aim, fire. B) Hammer the damn nail through the other kid. Yeesh.

  4. AM Radio by kisielk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Super easy to build. We made a bunch of boards for some elementary school kids and had them solder on the components and play with the thing in general. We were kind of time limited to a few hours, but it was a good experience.

  5. think like a kid by Alrescha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ramsey siren kits are always well-received.

    http://www.ramseyelectronics.com

    A.

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  6. go for the basics by dns_server · · Score: 2, Interesting

    go for the basics, such as steady hand games. all you need is a battery, a light a buzzer and wire.

    Go into electronic stores, they can have lots of simple kits that would be apropriate.
    You could get some magazines for idea's, i occasionally look at them, and every once in a while there are some good basic projects for children.

    1. Re:go for the basics by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I did that in year one, 12-year-olds may be a little past that stage.

      However, the electronic kits from stores are good, I get one occasionally, but slightly more advanced than one for 12 year olds.

      Bear in mind that most of the people in my electronics class (yr 9, did it in yr 8 too) can't solder for shit. Maybe this is not the norm, but don't expect 12-year-olds to be able to solder without making a horrifying mess of their PCB.

      Most teachers don't seem to know shit, but they have most of the basic stuff down, although I always seem to be the one doing fault finding for people. I would assume however that the poster is more skilled than this.

  7. how about a general kit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    remember the radio shack 25, 50, 100, 150 in 1 experiment kits?

    what about something like that, where a "generic" box of parts can be reused for several experiments? you would end up getting a bit more mileage out of your materials, cheaper on costs, and it would tend to keep the experiments simpler yet still pretty neat.

    off topic, i just got a survey popup as i was submitting this. slashdot venturing out?

    1. Re:how about a general kit? by BTWR · · Score: 1, Informative

      that's exactly what I was thinking. I used to LOVE those...

    2. Re:how about a general kit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      parent post is mine..

      a few weeks ago i actually found one discarded on the side of the road. it was completely soaked thru (heavy rain), but i am in the process of drying it out and see if its components still function. my buddy and i had a laugh remembering our toys like that from our youth..

    3. Re:how about a general kit? by uberdave · · Score: 1

      I started with a 50-in-one kit, then moved up to a 100-in-one, and finally a 200-in-one. I was in an electronics store the other day and saw a 500-in-one kit. I almost started drooling. It had an LCD display, a microprocessor, and a keyboard.

      Actually, I would love to find the manual for my 50-in-one kit. I remember it talking about "biasing the transistor" and stuff like that. It was beyond me at the time. The later kits didn't explain how the circuits work.

  8. burglar alarms, animatronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anything that involves sensing from a distance or catching people will excite kids. A cigar box "safe" for hiding your diary that will buzz when you open it unless you know to flip some toggle switches on the outside to a certain position will fascinate them.

    Also, any simple animatronics -- a santa clause that waves when you get close, or a garbage can that has the lid open and a hand slides out -- will also catch them.

  9. Have You Considered... by jazman_777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    making a Tesla Coil?

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  10. Take an oscilloscope.... by GrpA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you show them anything with AC or that has any cyclic voltage variation, show it to them on an oscilloscope.... It's much easier to a 12yo if they can visualise what is going on.

    However basic electronics is the stuff that 12yo kids get - show them the foundations...

    The wire-wound rheostat.
    The two-pencil carbon arc.
    Heating nichrome wire to make a poor filament.
    Build a battery in a beaker.
    Hand-wind a motor and build it on plywood with
    wire.
    Electromagnet locking to a piece of metal.
    Morse key, with a solenoid recording the results.

    You want to show them something so that the building block *stays* in their mind....

    If the idea is simple enough, it stays with them forever.

    GrpA

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    1. Re:Take an oscilloscope.... by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed, the battery experiment would be a great example. All you need is two different metals and an acid. Two plain coins of different metal composition (american coins are perhaps not best because they are made of a sandwich metal) seperated by vinegar. That should easily demonstrate a current.

      You could then attach wires to the coins and wrap them around an iron bar to make a magnet, and pick up iron filings. Not bad for turning familiar, extremely easy to find materials into a primitive but working electronic device.

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    2. Re:Take an oscilloscope.... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative
      american coins are perhaps not best because they are made of a sandwich metal

      Unless the metal composition of U.S. coins has changed since the early 80s. you can get a voltage off of a penny and a nickel (i.e., 1 cent and 5 cent pieces) separated by a saliva-soaked piece of paper. Great fun.

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    3. Re:Take an oscilloscope.... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless the metal composition of U.S. coins has changed since the early 80s...

      Not to pick a nit, and not that it'd change the coin battery setup, but the metal composition of the 1 cent piece has changed since mid-1982.

      From the US Treasury Website (emphasis mine):

      The composition of the coin was changed again in 1962. Mint officials felt that deletion of the tin content would have no adverse effect on the wearing qualities of the coin, whereas, the manufacturing advantages to be gained with the alloy stabilized at 95 percent copper and 5 percent zinc would be of much benefit. Congressional authority for this modification is contained in an Act of Congress approved on September 5, 1962. In 1982, the coin's composition changed again to copper-plated zinc. These coins, which are still being produced today, contain 97.6 percent zinc and 2.4 percent copper. This coin is identical in size and appearance to the predominantly copper cent issued before 1982, but this modification saves the Government an estimated $25 million in metal costs every year.
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    4. Re:Take an oscilloscope.... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not so sure about some of the projects in the parent - in my experience of teaching kids the best way to teach them is to engauge their enthusiasm. To do that you need high-impact, exciting projects that also demonstrate the principles behind them.

      What's interesting about a rheostat? Or a battery in a beaker? Sure, I find the idea of building a battery interesting, but that's because I (A-level Chemistry) know and understand the principles behind it, and seeing them in action is what makes it fun. Anything that's fun because of an appreciation of the theory behind it is doomed, because you need to already know it before it becomes fun to learn.

      I've always found the way to teach kids is to go for something that's interesting/fun/cool-looking up-front (steady-hand game, safe-with-buzzer, etc), and once they're interested, explain how they work. Try demoing one at the beginning of the class, let them play with it, then explain how it works while they're building their own.

      It's very important to give a good grounding in the basics, but you can do that in a fun way, slipping in bits of theoretical knowledge while they're blinded by flashing lights and cool noises.

      I suppose it depends if your priority is to teach them The Basics, or give them an interest that may extend outside the classroom... :-\

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    5. Re:Take an oscilloscope.... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      PS - Pre-change coins sound different than post-change coins when dropped on a hard surface such as a wooden table. The old coins 'ring', the new coins 'thud'.

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  11. My first project.. by dcstimm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    was making custom rockets, my tech teacher supervised us, and let us make it out of any thing we wished, I made mine out of pbc pipe and used a I based motor, and I even made my nose cone out of wood using a lathe. Also we hand etched circuit boards and made cool little curcuits, and soidered on our own parts. Taught me alot about electronics and how things worked. Start with the basics (what a resister is and how compasitors work).

    1. Re:My first project.. by pyite · · Score: 1

      You should pay more attention in English.

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    2. Re:My first project.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (what a resister is and how compasitors work).

      And perhaps how they are spelled (sp? :P)?

      This coming from a non-english speaker. I think the correct words are resistor and capacitor?

    3. Re:My first project.. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Schools aren't really allowed to do that much for fear of lawsuits. At mine this year (yr 9), we made minature cars in wood tech, hole in the back to put in a minature carbon dioxide canister, which makes it go about 10 or 15 meters before starting to slow down.

      Before we could take them home, they had to have an empty canister glued into the hole, so we couldn't put a new one in.

      That I was able to get the empty one out (and help some friends do it) the day we got them back (relief teacher, which meant we just do whatever we want for the most part) in about 15 seconds was beside the point. They have to cover their arses, otherwise a lawsuit comes.

    4. Re:My first project.. by dcstimm · · Score: 1

      hell I was close:-)

  12. Persistance of Vision by skreuzer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A persistance of vision toy, which is a simple microcontroller that blinks 8 LEDs on and off so that when waved through the air, an image or message appears to float in front of the viewer can be made in bulk for really cheap.

  13. Keep them current by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As technology changes, we start off learning about it at a higher level. Nobody learns to use electron tubes these days, though they are used in some applications.

    Take a similar approach. Provide some basic understanding of the transistor, but don't make a circuit that simply blinks. Instead set them up about 10 years behind the curve rather than 20: throw together a small microcontroller board and a breadboard with some components. Maybe just give them a bare microcontroller to insert into the board.

    Start with a few basic circuits, light an LED, amplify a light or sound source, make a touch sensor. Then get them to write a small program for the microcontroller, to blink a light. After that, try something a little more interactive like a who-pressed-the-button-first game.

    A mess of transistors and wires isn't inspiring, and most of the kids won't have any idea how to come up with useful circuits on their own. But when they realize how much they can do with a microcontroller, watch their eyes light up. Well, maybe some of the geekier ones will. But use the microcontroller as the core, and introduce analog concepts as they relate, for example doing R/C calculations for a smooth PWM signal.

    A single programmable component can often replace or exceed the function of dozens of discrete components. That's where things are heading these days, though analog designers are still needed. I just think you should introduce some technology of our generation so they won't blow off electronics as a lot of work to get a result a thousand times less exciting than what their cell phone can do.

  14. Crystal Radio? by insensitive+claude · · Score: 1

    There is a guy on /. who peddles those things in his sig. Looked pretty cool for a kid's project. Cheap too - I think it was around $12.

  15. Robotics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hold a Robot Sumo competition. Solarbotics Sumovores are all-electronic rather than microprocessor-driven. $90. For the same price, the microprocessor-driven Junun Mark III is a good bet. Both kits require complete assembly. Students get to learn soldering.

  16. Disposable Cameras by asquared256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are all kinds of things you can make from a disposable camera flash. You can make a strobe light by using a diac, neon lamps, or a triac and an external circuit connected across the shutter contacts (use a D cell instead of the AA so it charges faster) or make a paper clip shooter by connecting a coil in series with the flash lamp. Wrap the coil around a tube of some sort and put a paper clip just behind the coil. To fire it you will also need a *WELL INSULATED* push button wired to the shutter contacts. When the button is pushed, the flash lamp will begin to conduct and allow current to flow through the coil. I saw a similar device in an electronics class that was made from six disposable camera flash units wired in parallel, and connected to a flat coil on top of a clear box. There was a metal ring and a ping-pong ball on top of the coil, and when the cameras were discharged through the coil it was able to shoot the ping-pong ball about 50 feet vertically. (It used an SCR instead of the flash lamp as the switch.) Also you can get the cameras for free from some photo developing places and they only need 1 "AA" battery to work. The only problem is obviously the high voltage - if you are going to have 12 year olds messing with these things you need to make sure the cameras are insulated well before you let anyone turn on the power, and that they are discharged before anyone starts wiring anything up.

  17. LED flashlight by john_is_war · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have them make LED flashlights. It's a good oppertunity to introduce basic circuits, along with ohm's law. And if yoiu really want to get into it, you could do pot work for variable intensity.

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  18. Simple interfacing projects by jhoger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a code geek in school, I would have liked to see some simple interfacing projects. Say, make a logic analyzer out of a parallel port, or drive a LED 7-segment display.

    I always thought yet another crystal radio, or running a motor or light bulb was kind of boring. Didn't hold my attention.

    Also you might consider demonstrating how to hack off-the-shelf hardware... take things apart, how to tell what different components are and what they do, how to determine how a chip is mapped into memory, connect to a memory bus (think Mailstation, etc) to add new components...

    Connect tools, scopes, analyzers, etc. to show what is happening in the circuit. Measure voltages and show how they match up with the specification for the part...

  19. dude, were you not htinking? by gidzero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Come on! Jacobs ladders and tesla coils.. What more do you need? All awe inspiring and fun as hell.

  20. Electric Motor by cmpalmer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't exactly electronics, but it's fun (and yes, it is my site and yes, it looks like crap, but it was my first web site and I keep it that way for nostalgic reasons :-)

    http://fly.hiwaay.net/~palmer/motor.html

    For "real" electronics, if you just want to make a easy and fun project, most kids are usually impressed by things that blink LEDs (like a scanner sequencer type circuit) or make noise (I would suggest sirens).

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  21. no specifics but by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A project for kids should do one or more of the following:

    Make loud noises

    Give off heat or flames

    Give of bright light

    move on it's own

    be capable of irritating your friends at lunch

    So, overloading exploding LED capacitors are the answer!

    so yeah, making your own motors would work, building a race car with a pair of small motors and a headlight with a wired remote to start/stop, homebuilt radio, a small generator to light a lightbulb, etc.

    Lastly, be sure it's durable, cause they will be dropped and abused a lot on the way home to show mom and dad.

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  22. two words - dry ice by rednip · · Score: 1

    when I was in like 9th grade, I had a project that used dry ice, unfortunately the project didn't work, but everyone loved the dry ice.

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  23. I hate to say it... by Naikrovek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but Radio Shack's electronic project kits were the key for me. When my dad showed me how to light a light bulb with a battery i immediately had him take me to radio shack and get me one.

    I spent the next 4 years doing nothing but tinkering with my project kits. I made radios, motion detectors, calculators, wind generators... i wound up fixing TVs and walkman radios, and game consoles for friends. ... then, when i was about 10, i was working on my project kits and suddenly it hit me... "dude there are girls out there. go get one!" so I went outside, hopped on my bike, rode down the *sidewalk*, and was smashed by a car coming out of the alley at 35mph. i was thrown right into the street, skipping the part of the alley between the sidewalk and the street, some 20 feet away. no broken bones but a concussion and a broken eardrum.

    i kept off the electronic project kits but i never did get a girlfriend until i was 18.

    my lesson to you - stay away from electronics, and keep the kids away too. I mean it.

    this is a true story, by the way. all too true. I still can't hear things like digital watches out of my left ear ...

    1. Re:I hate to say it... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 0

      Aware of girls but didn't have one for 8 years? Ouch!

      Course I'd trade all my pre 16 relationships for some electronics knowledge.

    2. Re:I hate to say it... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      8 years? More like 23 years for me. Not counting small-time dating, though.

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    3. Re:I hate to say it... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Opps, I meant 13! :)

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  24. Good Project Site by macz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bizarre Labs has some great stuff. Lemon batteries, crystal radios, electro-magnets, leyden jars. Even plans for Tesla coils and radioactive cloud chambers are there.

    This does beg the question: What are the basic principles that need to be covered. Here are some that I would imagine are important:

    Magnetism

    Electromagnetism

    Basic Circuits and electron flow

    Photon Simultaneity

    ... well maybe not that last one, success rates are still pretty low. You might have to build up to that with a few simple explanatory topics.

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  25. Well by Pugflop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a third year Electronics Systems Engineering student.

    A nice, simple, and (if they dig hardcore math) easy circuit with a blinking light is an series RC circuit, with a light (also in series). Basically, it will flash on and off, at a rate dependant on the time constant of the circuit (=R*C). No need for soldering, and who doesn't like flashing things?

    1. Re:Well by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those kids are gonna dig that i(t) = i(0)e^(-t/RC), and the differential equation that explains it.

      Tim

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    2. Re:Well by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 1

      You just go ahead and build that for us, let us know how it works out.

      *mutters something about today's third-year electronics students, glad it's "systems" and not an actual electrical engineerin degree*

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, why would it go off? Aren't you missing, you know, an active component? Are you sure you're an engineering student? And you call that hardcore math? Oy vay...

  26. A "what not to do..." by Muvlo+Redond · · Score: 1

    As someone who had precisely one lesson in school to do with electronics (7th grade generic-science class), I can tell you this: they may all be new to it, but they live in the modern world; don't assume they're stupid. If you bring in a class set of 9-volt batteries plus LEDs, they will have good cause for thinking you are stupid.

  27. Tesla Coil by techgeek10101 · · Score: 0

    Or anything else pertaining to the lord of the lightening.

  28. These still exist by John+Miles · · Score: 4, Informative

    A co-worker bought one of these awhile back, and I was impressed with it. Not a bad choice for a bright 12-year-old.

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    1. Re:These still exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your co-worker is twelve years old?

  29. hello operator by nuggetman · · Score: 1

    make an intercom out of some telephones and basic circuitry

    perhaps make two versions of one of them - one of raw components simply wired together and another of components on a circuit board

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  30. View from a recently learned point of view. by iq+in+binary · · Score: 2, Informative

    I learned electronics when I was 14, not much different from 12 when you get down to it. Wanna know what hooked me the first day? Crossing a 15 Fd. capacitor with a screwdriver (Plastic handle with gloves on) with the lights off.

    POPFIZZLESPARK

    Took 15 minutes of hammering away with a chisel to get the screwdriver out, freshly melted to the contacts. The heat was so intense in that instant that the teachers forearms looked pretty sunburnt. As a matter of fact, many students swear they saw his skeleton light up and the one hot girl's shirt dissipate. One thing we all had in common, we were all thinking the same thing:

    "I gotta try that on someone, I'M MAKING A TAZER!"

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  31. Times have changed. by Domini · · Score: 1

    I remember building a frequency generator with caps resistors and a 555/556 chip. Ah, the fond memories...

    But I think these days programming and electronics have collided in a big way. Gone are the days of analog(ue).

    Perhaps make a fixed board with some digial inputs and outputs (with relays and power) and a programmable pic controller... and let them play with that. (some electric motors and speakers and (light) sensors.

    Thus, just drop your kid off at the local radioshack and let things just happen. ;)

    1. Re:Times have changed. by Dielectric · · Score: 1

      I call shenanigans. Analog is just as important now as ever. Try designing a high-speed digital board with no regard to impedance and electromagnetics, and see how far you get.

      I posit that we must always start with analog, then build logic on top of that. The World is an analog place. At some point, a computer needs to interact with the World to be useful.

    2. Re:Times have changed. by Domini · · Score: 1

      -grin-

      Call it what you will...

      Digital is 'cleaner' and more abstract than analogue. I found that analogue was messy and tempramental, and you needed more expensive components and equipment to work with it.

      All that aside, yes, it may still be important, but it is not necessary to survive in this day and age.

      You do not need to know much about analogue to be able to build some cool toys (robots, yay!).

      Kids want to see results... I know I did. The only cool thing you can still do with analogue is radio .

      -grin-

      Then again, I just wish I could have had digital when I was a kid, but most other kids might disagree.

      On a side note, what I did enjoy immensely (and if you can find this and have kids, GET IT!) was something called 'Capsela'. With this and a bit of DIGITAL control systems one can make some REALLY COOL TOYS.

      And it's not like shitty LEGO where you can basically only build limited pre-defined things, and making something unique out of the generic items is a chore reserved for fanatic grown-ups. It's actually totally generic and greative and the results are always immediate and interesting. Way better than Mecano (that just tended to break/rust - at least for me) :))

  32. I can't believe.. by LGEKoji · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..Noone has mentioned it. C'mon, this is Slashdot! Why hasn't anyone mentioned teaching the kids about logic gates?!

    Get some relays and such and teach them the basics of digital logic by building electromechanical logic gates. Infact, show them just the basics or how the relay works, etc. and try to get them to think about how to make it do what it needs to do. They're kids, they've got imagination out the wazoo, they can think of lots of neat things. And it gets them interested in how computers work, rather than just playing video games on the things.

    1. Re:I can't believe.. by LGEKoji · · Score: 0

      OH, and in case you're looking for some good resources, check out PlayHookey: http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/ Get stuff there; counters, flip flops, adders.. Imagine those kids building a calculator or something out of mechanical relays and how proud of themselves they would be to recreate with their own minds the history of the modern computer.

    2. Re:I can't believe.. by bhima · · Score: 1
      This very thing has been described quite well recently in "embedded systems programming". I think this may be a little beyond yonger kids though...

      http://www.embedded.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsession id=Q4OT1EN155QXSQSNDBGCKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleID=5120 0678

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    3. Re:I can't believe.. by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't anyone mentioned teaching the kids about logic gates?!

      Because they are twelve years old.


      -Colin

    4. Re:I can't believe.. by LGEKoji · · Score: 1

      Thats no reason at all. Twelve year olds are smart, you give them too little credit.

    5. Re:I can't believe.. by Zaak · · Score: 1

      Because they are twelve years old.

      Just FYI, when I was nine I designed a one bit full adder after learning about basic logic gates from my dad.

      TTFN

    6. Re:I can't believe.. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      I built one out of old telephone exchange relays when I was ten. Still have it somewhere. It worked, as long as I kept quiet about my 48V supply, because my Mum wasn't very happy about me having four car batteries in my bedroom...

  33. Make it engaging by malachid69 · · Score: 1

    You know, though I was interested in electronics at a young age (playing Robot Odyssey and having the various 20-in-1, 100-in-1 etc Radio Shack Electronics kits) perhaps one of the best approaches I have seen for teaching digital electronics was this one (previous Slashdot article):

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/25/1444 24 1&tid=137

    Unless of course unless you want to use MAME with Robot Odyssey. As a side note, I think a game like that would be perfect if the graphics were updated to mesh with the current generations expectations.

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  34. Wow! Is this worhtwhile! by gtkuhn · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I can suggest is, as a kid my Dad bought me something like "101 electronic experiments" from radio shack circa early 80's (a quick google and I can't find anything, perhaps I have the name wrong?) It was a wooden box frame with a breadboard surface that had various marked connections. You could connect power and the crystal and tuner and amp and make a radio! Although I was by no means a rich kid, I also had a "101 physics experiments" kit that included a little solar cell. Those kits were awesome! I was a lucky kid.

  35. I never tried the pencils by gtkuhn · · Score: 1

    Some excellent projects, every one. I also never had a solenoid, but I'm sure I'd have loved one.

  36. Check out LiveWires for an example by Grab · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine runs a workshop called LiveWires which is basically doing what you're talking about. It's a Christian group, but if you subtract the religion then you'll probably have something useful. At least it's worth dropping them an email to ask questions.

    LiveWires link

    Grab.

  37. Re:Your sig by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 1

    It is the base of your spine. Check out any picture of a skeleton's back for illustrative purposes. It looks like a vestigial tail to me. And yes, this is offtopic as all hell.

  38. Adventures with electronics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duncan wrote a couple of books - Adventures with Electronics and Adventures with Microelectronics.

    Both offer a great opportunity to build up a basic knowledge of electronics on a step by step basis using readily available components and interesting, structured projects.

    Some of the projects are suitable for combining with simple robotics - for example lego mindstorms - for additional interest.

    ProfP

  39. A simple dice? by SteelLynx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or anything else with blinking LEDs ;-)

    Back in school I took an "electronics" course that were really more of a "learn how to solder" course. A shop here in Denmark have a fairly large selection of pre-made kits that included the PCB and all the components needed. While these kits did little to teach us anything about how the components and systems work they did serve as a sort of basis for getting something assembled - far better than if it had been a purely theoretical course.

    Some of the kits we used were:
    - (astable) multivibrators
    - simple random things (like a dice or "roulette" game with N LEDs that cycle and slowly come to a halt)
    - electronic keypad/lock system
    - a simple radio
    - a mini-keyboard using a tone generator and some simple system for selecting which tone was made when each "key" was pressed

    However, I really would have liked it if our teacher had taught us more than the basic things. He did at some point mention Ohm's law, but he never really did more than compare an electrical circuit with waterpipes and a resistor was a very thin pipe. Not really helpful.

    For some of the basic stuff you might want to have some bread boards and loose components as this will make it fast and easy to assemple simple circuits. At this age my guess is that even connecting a resistor and a LED will be a challenge and it would be distracting to them, imo, if they first had to un-solder everything when they'd made a mistake.

    Good luck with it!

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  40. Keep it Visible/audible by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

    Concensus so far points to keeping things visible and audible. To that end, I recommend a large, open-frame relay (12vdc). With it you can demonstrate electromagnetics, switching principles, and closed loop sensor systems (e.g. burglar alarm). You caan use the relay switching to energize lights/LEDs, bells/buzzers/sirens, etc. Get ahold of an old speaker you can dissect to show how the same electromagnetic properties of the relay reproduce sound by connecting the free-floating coil to a diaphragm. The oscilloscope is a great idea--highly visible and an added "science fiction" quality kids can connect with. The neat thing about all of this is that all is visible and easily understood.

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  41. Fuse tester by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make a fuse tester. Very easy and children can also decorate the case.

  42. Amplifier, sound effects by Frantactical+Fruke · · Score: 1

    Found this old book at the library:
    Electronic Projects for Musicians by Craig Anderton,
    which has some very basic looking projects like simple amplifiers, guitar fuzz boxes, ring modulator and such. Looked suitable for beginners (which is why I'm reading it, of course). It's 24 years old, though, but maybe you'll find something similar from this decade.

    Kids love making noise, right?

    1. Re:Amplifier, sound effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree. Make a loud fuzzbox for an electric guitar. Bring an inexpensive electric guitar to the class and build cheap fuzz box.

      A cheap fuzz box is just an opamp voltage amp with two diodes that short the output to ground. The output is a +/- 0.7volt pseudo square wave.

      Another idea is getting a cheap MIDI tone module like the Yamaha FB-01 ($20-$25) on eBay. Make an inexpensive note player like this one.

  43. DIY Electric Chair by turgid · · Score: 2, Funny
    Educate your child early into the ways of Capital Punishment and the American Legal System by helping him make his own electric chair.

    This will give him a well-developed sense of Right and Wrong, Truth, Justice and the American Way(TM).

    He'll grow up a God-fearing, Republican, join the Army or Police and will avoid all deviancy for the rest of his life.

    1. Re:DIY Electric Chair by Matt_R · · Score: 1
      like this guy?

      Police in Lithuania's second largest city Kaunas has found the body of a 74-year-old man, who committed suicide in an electric chair he made himself

      http://www.iafrica.com/news/worldnews/392799.htm

  44. Mr Swinson by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 2, Informative

    At my old school, we had an amazing teacher called Mr. Swinson. He taught woodwork and metalwork to 9 to 12 year olds.

    On the electronics front, we built a robot that would follow a white line painted on the ground (by coupling two light sensitive cells to circuits that controlled the opposite motors), and a working (if a bit squealy) electronic organ.

    Aside from electronics, he had children working with blow torches and lathes, constructing working steam engines that trundled along the floor from raw materials - pistons, cylinders, the boiler - everything. The only teacher to have to run extra classes after school due to demand, and not one accident worth mentioning in all that time.

    He was a superb guy all round, and I've never forgotten how exciting his classes were.

    1. Re:Mr Swinson by fbjon · · Score: 1

      I had a similar situation.. except it was my math teacher who made math class exciting (or at least interesting) and understandable. My physics class was dry. Sahara-dry. I now have an aversion towards physics on a basic level. Don't make that mistake! Ever!

      Although I am however intrigued by the more complex and modern stuff in physics, so it's not a complete loss and definite loss.

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  45. be radical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. electric chair:stun and singes but does not kill.
    2. spanking machine: punishes and rewards at the same time.
    3. powered strap on: see above
    4. convert microwave into anti-theft device: sell to car companies
    5. feynman radio: tell yourself how to have done it better.


    all but the last are a joke.
  46. Elenco Snap Circuits by paladino · · Score: 1

    I bought this kit for my son. He spends hours working on the provided example circuits and trying to improve them on his own. Everything just snaps together. Great Stuff. They even have a deluxe kit with computer interface. http://www.elenco.com/snapcircuits.html/

  47. Scitoys by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
    SciToys

    all kinds of little projects, some electronic, some otherwise. My son(13) is doing the Gauss Rifle. So as not to freak out the teacher, we're calling it a 'Linear Accelerator', instead of a railgun.

  48. Boy Electrition by bluGill · · Score: 1

    The Boy Electrician is the best place to start. Published in 1940, so the tubes are a little hard to find, but most of the projects don't use tubes. Everything is easy yet informative, and the book is aimed at boys so it is easy and fun to read. Recommended, even for adults.

    P.S. That site has several other books that you will find interesting, but this is the best.

  49. How long are the classes? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1
    You mentioned the age range, but didn't say if this was a full day thing, or after school, or maybe just an hour or two. It might also span multiple sessions, which makes it even more difficult.

    Assuming it spans multiple sessions (or maybe even if it doesn't), you'll want lots of stages to build up to. This may also be useful if you're unsure of how long things will take, as you may only be able to get to 5 stages, when you planned 7, but you don't have to tell the kids that.

    I'd also advise against using soldering irons, unless you had a high number of adults to supervise the kids, or you're just asking for lots of kids with second degree burns. It's probably not worth teaching wire wrapping, but if you can afford breadboards, or can have some sort of board made that you can screw down to, you should be fine.

    Here are a few ideas of things that build on each other --
    1. simple closed circuit, light an LED
    2. add a momentary contact switch, so they can make the light turn on when pushed
    3. modify the circuit so the light turns off when the button is pressed
    4. add a sensor so the sensor triggers the LED lighting up
    5. build a second system, to trigger the first one (maybe use IR LED, and an IR sensor?)
    6. add a 555 or similar to make it blink.
    7. change to pots so you can vary the blinking speed
    you can also teach them how to read circuit diagrams as you go, and have them follow along in the pictures, and maybe give them the instructions and parts to do the other projects if you run out of time.

    I'd probably run it as teams of 2-3 kids, if the group was too large, there was a low adult/child ratio, or there was especially short time.
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  50. The Beakman Motor by chrisatslashdot · · Score: 1

    The Beakman electric motor is an awsome experiment.

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  51. dunno anything about electronics ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    serious never built a radio or other lectronic
    stuff ...
    but what still facinates me to this very day is
    magnetism. i find it much "cooler" then electronics,
    and i'm assuming that it is way under thought in
    school. magnetism comes before electricity and
    surely before electronics. maybe it is this lack
    fascination for magnetism, that we still burn
    coal, oil and gasolin for electricity generation
    instead of fusing atoms together :) *? magnets RULEZ!

  52. Digital circuits by JamesP · · Score: 1

    Teach them about digital circuits (or gates, flip flops, the whole)

    Teach them how to program a simple microcontroler (like the PIC 16F84 or the 89S51)

    It's pretty simple and very fun.

    Then you can build "sophisticates stuff" like a IR remote control, a simple calculator, stuff like that...

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  53. Think like a parent by phorm · · Score: 1

    I really do hope that you aren't planning on letting them bring these home then. I have enough problems when the younger family members get noisy presents from their grandparents and insist on playing with them for the next 10 hours. Use in the halls is guaranteed to drive teachers nuts too

    Noisy projects may be more interesting to the kids, but they can sure as heck be annoying to everyone esle.

  54. Dangerous by phorm · · Score: 1

    Can't Tesla coils be a bit dangerous? I work in schools and while I could see older High School students using these, even some of them aren't mature enough. 12-year-olds would be more dangerous, though there are possibilities:

    Today students, we will demonstrate this giant Tesla coil which was built during the previous semester...

    Now for everybody who got an "F" in effort in the previous semester, please place these metal chains around your neck and stand near the coil here...

    1. Re:Dangerous by homeobocks · · Score: 1

      Well, Tesla coils are - by definition - extremely high voltage. If you make the current (amps) small enough, then touching one of those should only result in mild convulsions, with no permanent damage. As an aside, Tesla once built one of his coils several stories tall. I am not an electrition, physician, or electrophysician. Don't try this at home, kids.

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  55. Experience is a harsh mistress by YankeeInExile · · Score: 1

    The only problem is obviously the high voltage - if you are going to have 12 year olds messing with these things you need to make sure the cameras are insulated well before you let anyone turn on the power
    I'm serious here: Let him get zapped. The currents available from a circuit like that are pretty darned unlikely to inflict serious damage, but they'll taach a lesson that no amount of stern talking will ever do: Voltage can really hurt.

    I am glad all of my early electronic playing was on vaccum tube gear -- I learned (painfully) at an early age to keep in mind that the B-plus supply is ten kinds of no fun.

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  56. In my day... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    ...we made batteries!!! It's basic, but it's fun and it's cool:

    Materials:
    1. Bleach
    2. Baking Soda
    3. Copper stranded wire
    4. Aluminium Foil
    5. Wax Paper or other nonconductive surface that will survive immersion in bleach
    5. Glass container or old canning/jelly jar
    6. LEDs or old fashioned screw in flashlight bulb with fixture (can you even find those anymore?)
    7. Alligator clips

    Instructions:
    1. Take the foil and form a cup with a tail (sort of like a laddle) so that 1/3 of the bottom of the glass container is lined with foil and the the tail hangs over the outside edge of the glass.
    2. Place a piece of wax paper that is cut to line the foil into the foil cup.
    3. Strip the copper stranded wire and unstrand a good amount in order to form a ball of copper that will fill the wax paper lined foil cup without any of the copper touching the foil.
    4. Strip the other end of the copper wire and attach an alligator clip to it.
    5. Tie on another piece of copper wire to the foil's tail and attach an alligator clip to the other end as well.
    6. Connect the alligator clips to your flashlight bulb or LED. (I think the copper ball end is the positive (+) end. I can't remember for sure.)
    7. Pour in enough bleach to submerse the ball of copper and the foil.
    8. Your light source should light up. Congrats you've made a battery.
    9. You can add baking soda to the bleach and the light should brighten for a bit.

    It's also a lesson in chemistry. AND... in the event of a "terra" attack, you now know how to make batteries to power your flashlight in complete "Macguyver" style. :)

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  57. Electronic projects by wom · · Score: 1

    I liked building "radios" first a simple AM reciever, then an AM transmitter, that turned into a "CB". Then I played with Led transmitter/receiver projects with some optical fun to make directional sorta "spy" radios. None had a range of over 20 ft. so I think the FCC was OK with them?

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  58. Class in electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my high school, we had a class in electricity. The part that excited the students the most was launching iron cores out of coils, and making big sparks with capacitors.

    Of course, this was completely ignoring what the teacher was teaching, but oh well!

    My advice is to get the students to build a big project (bad-ass nailgun that's too big to carry/get stolen/aim) out of many smaller projects (individual coils with light-activated sensors).

    Then move on to linear induction motors, rail guns, can crushers, levitating induction furnaces, etc.

    If they're not permanently hooked on electronics and tech, I'll give you double your money back!

  59. Fun with LM3909 by BigBadaboom · · Score: 1

    A simple project that I remember fondly from my electronics class at high school was a fun little LED flasher project using a LM3909 LED flasher IC, a LED, a capacitor and a AA battery.

    An example circuit is on this page.

    Mount it in a matchbox, and you have your first electronics project! I think I still have that thing 20 years later. :)

    1. Re:Fun with LM3909 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to say it, but the lm3909 has long been discontinued. :-(

  60. How long have they been soldering? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    I could solder really well when I was 12, because I got into electronics when I was about 6 or 7, and had been soldering for years. All it takes is practice...

    1. Re:How long have they been soldering? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      So did I, but the kind of time to practice I had isn't the kind of thing I can get in school.

      Last year, we got 90 minutes a week, for one term, to learn to solder, basic theory, and other stuff like that. I was the only person in my class who already knew.

      This year I had more like 4 hours a week, which makes things slightly better, but there was still the contant sound of a desolder station in the background. And some of the PCBs I saw were horrifying.

      You also need to remember that the teachers don't always understand some stuff. The circuit that we built was simple, just some Schmitt Trigger NAND gates wired as an oscillator, LDR, piezo buzzer, etc. etc.

      I ended up being the only person in the class who could do any basic fault finding.
      And I count the teacher as a person, as well as the student teacher, who had a degree in electrical engineering. And by fault finding, I mean grounding the gate inputs to check which stage of the circuit the fault was in. At the first stage, all I needed to do was bypass the LDR with a pair of pliers.

      Needless to say, a teacher and someone with a degree in electrical engineering couldn't figure this out. And this was in a one-page schematic that took me about 30 seconds to understand.

      And then there was the case of what we were being taught. We were given the wrong colours for mains wiring, polarities for transistors were incorrect in our notes (i still remember making that mistake....and I have the scar on my thumb to prove it).

      Most slashdotters seem to have some skills in these areas. But some people out there have amazing stupidity. Before someone comes with a reply saying how that is just our area of expertise, I don't act as though I know how to do accounting, or designing hard drives, or anything else like that.

  61. Re:Have 'em build... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But first, let's expose the kids to a dictionary, so they know it's spelled 'laser' and 'lens'. Thank you.

  62. Robotics competitions by techeducator · · Score: 1

    Lego Dacta is not cheap, but really gets kids involved. I usually follow it up with Floppy the robot, a simple bot built with a 3.5" floppy drive. Competitions are really addictive, I either invent one for the group like climbing to the top of a ramp or navigating a maze. Destructive competitions tend to leave out the girls..... To get them really hooked, try the Boston University Design competition (http://www.bu.edu/eng/design/rules, or the University of Vermont DesignTASC(http://www.emba.uvm.edu/TASC/2004/index .htm)