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Shortage of Intel Laptop Chipsets

EvilTwinSkippy writes "Taiwanese notebook vendors are reporting a short supply of Intel CPU chipsets for laptops. This includes the popular Centrino line. In case you didn't know most "name brand" laptops like Dell, HP, and even Apple are actually manufactured by OEM's in Taiwan, Mainland China, and Korea."

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  1. Uh, shortage doesn't strictly apply to Apple by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Considering Apple computers don't rely on Centrino or Intel chipsets, I'm not sure why they were even thrown into the blurb.

    A 20% shortage translates into higher prices or loss in profit for everyone involved (except in this case Apple because their chipsets don't go through Intel).

    1. Re:Uh, shortage doesn't strictly apply to Apple by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it is some kind of odd thing where it might hint that Apple's notebooks are no better than anyone else's if the same company makes and partly designs both PC and Mac notebooks.

      I still don't see how that is relevant though.

      Even if the same company makes all Dell, HP and Apple laptops, I don't necessarily consider them to be equal in quality. The brand company can specify the quality of the components and the rigorousness of design validation and so on.

      It would be nice if there was more standardization of notebook components, although I do understand that is kind of limiting because form factors shift a lot over time, and a compact design for one particular CPU / chipset might differ from that of another.

    2. Re:Uh, shortage doesn't strictly apply to Apple by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 2, Informative

      Intel northbridge? Not likely since no PowerPC processor has a bus compatible with any x86's. Where did you come up with this logic? Just because the chip says Intel doesn't mean it runs that type of instruction. Intel does do other things than make x86 CPUs.

  2. Uhh... by cartzworth · · Score: 4, Funny

    In case you didn't know most "name brand" laptops like Dell, HP, and even Apple are actually manufactured by OEM's in Taiwan, Mainland China, and Korea. No Shit. Wait I thought they were made by rosie the riveter here in the good ole USA.

    1. Re:Uhh... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Wait I thought they were made by rosie the riveter here in the good ole USA.
      Wow, the idea that the US could manufacture anything has literally become a joke.
    2. Re:Uhh... by killbill! · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Ah! I see you bought one of them there high quality German made SUVs. Good show."

      "No dude, It's a Mercedes. They're made in Aaaaalabama, Yee Ha!. Don't you know anything?"

      Poor example. The Alabama factory has abysmal quality standards (for a Mercedes that is).

      In Europe, the Mercedes M-Class is available with gasoline or diesel engines. Since almost all gasoline Mercedeses M are sold in America, whereas almost all diesel Mercedeses M are sold in Europe, gasoline Mercedeses M are made in Alabama, whereas diesel ones are made in Austria.
      Curiously, the top-of-the-line ML500 has crap quality when compared with the entry-level ML270 CDI. The ML500 is made in America, and it shows.

      Why?
      Becase manufacturers will always produce at the lowest quality they can get away with. Since American customers apparently have lower expectations than European customers, they get an inferior quality.

      The reason the American manufacturing sector is dead is not higher manufacturing costs (vs China), but rather that it is run by managers with an accounting or marketing background (whereas in Japan or Germany, many top managers have an engineering background). Those people consider a dollar put into advertising to be worth more than a dollar put into the product or the process.

      To return a tad more ontopic, Dells and IBMs may be manufactured in the same factories. However, this does not imply they are built to the same quality standards. They are built to the quality standards their respective client (and indirectly, their respective end users) demand.
  3. That's why you don't use Intel Chips by ilyanep · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This shows that AMD is doing way better than Intel. Doesn't AMD make mobile processor chips? If not, they should! AMD's chips have always run faster at the same rated speeds (don't ask me how that works). That's why a game's requirements may say "1 Ghz Pentium 4 or 800 Mhz AMD Athlon" , etc.

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    1. Re:That's why you don't use Intel Chips by pkhuong · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes they do, and, AFAICS from the docs, the power consumption for the Athlon 64 Mobiles are comparable to the P-Ms'. They're also ~1/2 as expensive as comparable P-Ms (savings are on the order of 150-250 USD/unit in bulk, iirc). But A64 doesn't give you Internet access on the K2. Seriously, it is a question of marketing and semi-knowledgeable people believing that AMD => hotter.

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    2. Re:That's why you don't use Intel Chips by Entropius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AMD's mobile processors seem to be worth it to me.

      I am posting this on a mobile Athlon 64 3400+. It has a 14.1V 4.4 amp-hour battery, and get slightly under three hours on a charge. Much of this power consumption comes from the large LCD (15" WXGA).

      True, some Pentium-M notebooks use less power than my machine. However, when plugged in, I highly doubt that any but the most expensive Centrino notebooks can compete with the Athlon 64's in the number-crunching arena. For me, AC-powered performance (I'm a scientist and a gamer) outweigh the gain in battery life on the Pentium-M's.

      The Athlon 64 notebooks I've seen, particularly the eMachines 68xx line (I have a 6811) are relatively inexpensive, get respectable battery life on DC, and have unmatched processor performance on AC.

      AMD has done a great job balancing the need to save power while on DC with the need for performance on AC.

    3. Re:That's why you don't use Intel Chips by wertarbyte · · Score: 2, Funny

      But A64 doesn't give you Internet access on the K2. Seriously, it is a question of marketing and semi-knowledgeable people believing that AMD => hotter.

      Screw the internet, on the K2 I want the hottest CPU possible!

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  4. Cupertino, CA by arashiakari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple laptops like my iBook are designed in the USA by best-of-field engineers, which makes all the difference in the world. They don't go to Taiwan and see what some company there has put together as and order a million units... which is pretty much what everyone but IBM and Fujitsu do.

    Don't lament that the machine and assembly line labor is done in nations with developing economies - it means our high tech equipment is that much cheaper for us... so we buy more and attain that much more of a productivity advantage.

    1. Re:Cupertino, CA by Mr.G5 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I thought that too until I read this:

      Lam says that Quanta, which has 500 design engineers in Taiwan, did about half of the design work for Apple Computer's G4 notebook.

      Although it doesn't what the half includes but that seems like a lot more from Apple who proudly stamped my Powerbook G4 with Designed by Apple in California. Assembled in Taiwan. My guess is the design is only for the exterior of the case and the Taiwanese handle all of the hardware layout.

    2. Re:Cupertino, CA by sokoban · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see why it is so shocking that Apple doesn't design their computers from the ground up. They don't design the cpus, memory controllers, ethernet controllers, and the like. I would say that apple really does little more than lay down specs, exterior design, and a few other things. Are they heavily involved with what quantas designs for them? Certainly. Apple is not a semiconductor company any more than Quanta is based out of 1 Infinite Loop.

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    3. Re:Cupertino, CA by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I've actually met one of the people who does logic board layout and one of my friends worked on one of the G4 northbridges before going to grad school. Both of them worked in Cupertino.

      So outside of manufacturing, there really isn't much design work they do FOR APPLE in Taiwan.

      However, that's not to say that Taiwanese companies didn't do the design work for the LCDs (probably Korea actually), the hard drives, the bluetooth modules (since almost every single one is from CSR or broadcom), CD/DVD recorders, actual battery cells (not controllers), LCD inverters, and discrete components.

  5. Likely precautionary... by mercuryresearch · · Score: 4, Informative

    There was a serious, big-time oversupply of chip sets last quarter. This shortage could likely be the chip set suppliers being cautious -- the last time something like this happened we were swimming in finished notebooks for more than a quarter and it had a fairly negative impact on Intel and AMD's operations for about six months.

  6. Re:stellar. by jon3k · · Score: 2, Informative

    They aren't concerned with branding and marketing. They just produce units. Thats where the real money is. They need the "middle man". Let dozens of different brands market products in every country, and they'll crank them out.

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  8. ODM, not OEM by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's technically Original Design Manufacturer.

  9. Meanwhile....... by twfry · · Score: 3, Informative

    Intel is sitting on a record +3 Billion in inventory. If they have a shortage anywhere it means their managment have lost their minds.

  10. Hmm... recalls could be a problem too.... by Justice8096 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There have been quite a few recalls of laptops because of overheating (such as Toshiba) - this could also have an effect in the shortage instead of just "demand".
    Fortunatly, I bought an AMD based notebook after 3 laptop meltdowns, and it has had less problems than the Intel ones (even though it is a Compaq, and they have always given me overheating problems before). So I am not going back to Intel based machines ever again.

  11. Taiwan != developing economy by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Intel (for example) has its headquarters in Portland, Oregon where I live. I've been walking around Portland today, and I seem to not have noticed any bullet trains. Also, there are still these coin operated pay phones. The traffic lights don't even tell you how much longer you have to cross the street. 7-11s don't have doors that slide automatically. Not even half of people have broadband! And if I was to take a bus ride for 200 miles, I wouldn't get my own easy chair and television set, for ten dollars. Also, Portland doesn't have the tallest skyscraper in the world.

    Taiwan is perhaps not the most developed economy in the world, but it is hardly a "developing" economy. In some things, they are behind us, in some things they are about the same, and in some things, they are way ahead. Their croissants are certainly good and cheap.

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  12. Re:Alienware by Zorilla · · Score: 4, Funny

    This explains so much. I ordered a Laptop from alienware last month and they say they are still missing parts and won't start building it for another two weeks. Punks!!

    Supernatural forces are helping you to avoid spending $4000 on a $1100 machine.

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  13. Re:Even Macs? by Draoi · · Score: 2, Informative
    I was under the impression that all Macs were made in Cupertino, CA.

    Wow ...

    Macs have never been made in Cupertino. They used make them in Fremont for a while, and in Sacramento but those days are well over ... :-(

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  14. But not IBM... by KenFury · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to be clear, last time I checked (six months ago) IBM still made their own notebooks. I think they are still smarting from the deathstar line which was made by either fushitsu or hitachi.

  15. Manufacturing has little to do with it. by poptones · · Score: 5, Informative

    PC boards are manufactured on automated assembly lines by machines. Very little of the work outside loading the machines and tending the reflow ovens is actually done by humans.

    Quality, in this case, comes from testing. You test devices as much as you need to get your scores up, then ship the unit. This offends the heck out of a lot of old school engineers, but it's still a fact of modern life. Testing individual chips adds pennies to each device; testing the pc boards much more, then repairing them and retesting adds more still. At a certain point it becomes cheaper just to expect x% of your product to be returned under warranty, bin it, and ship a new (also untested) replacement. This is the tact increasingly taken by manufacturers including biggies like Dell and (especially since the takeover by emachines) Gateway. Cutting back on quality means cutting back on labor costs in testing, not so much cutting back on materials costs.

    Buying a high end tv or stereo is pretty much the same these days: very little differentiation comes from what's on the inside. If you're willing to do your own Q&A before the warranty expires, brand matters almost nothing.

    This, BTW, is the primary reason so many folks like "vintage" things. These things were made before quality became a mathematical afterthought, and devices that have survived intact all these years represent the cream of their respective crops.

  16. Re:stellar. by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Well, just you wait until they savy up and "cut out the middleman". Won't that be an interesting day."

    Clevo corporation already has. They are selling their notebooks in the US market under the "Sager" brand.

    Personally, I purchased a notebook that was ODM'd by Compal called the CL-56. It's sold in the US under a number of brands such as the VoodoPC Envy M:360 and the Chembook 2056.

    If you buy the "brand name", you're getting ripped off. You can get a much better deal if you buy a no-brand notebook from a reputable reseller. You get better support, too - my notebook included a custom driver CD, 24/7 support (and, yes, they have real people based in the US to answer your questions), and a 2-year warranty.

    You can get a heck of a laptop for very little if you buy an ODM notebook. Pentium-M 1.7, 512M PC2700, Mobility Radeon 9700 128M, 15" SXGA+ display, Intel PRO/2200 WLAN, a DVD/CD combo drive, and a Hitachi 7200rpm 60GB laptop HDD. All for $1500. No OS of couse, but that doesn't bother me.

  17. Re:Even Macs? by myov · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first two letters in the serial number indicate where the product was made.

    XA or XB - Run A/Run B, California (I forgot where). Desktops, from what I've seen.
    CK - Cork, Ireland. Powerbooks, up to the G3's
    QT - Quanta, in Asia. Powerbook G3/G4, iBooks
    SG - Singapore. iMacs (initially made in Mexico, iirc)

    Of course, YMMV. My G3 desktop with an XA serial number (California) has a Made in Ireland sticker on the logic board. My guess is that the boards were made in Ireland, and the boxes stuffed in California.

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