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Automata On The March

OldSchool writes "The Morris Museum (NJ) was recently awarded The Murtogh D. Guinness Collection of 700 historic mechanical musical instruments and automata (mechanical figures). The extraordinary collection represents one of the most significant of its kind in the world. There's pictures, demos, and animation of these devices at the museum website."

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  1. The Most Toys by f4llenang3l · · Score: 5, Funny

    You just know that the museum director has gone mad and is currently hatching a diabolical scheme to get Data in that collection, too...

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  2. At Long Last! by stupidninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Formal Languages and Automata Theory class is finally going to be useful!

    1. Re:At Long Last! by fatmanone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      LOL, mine too

  3. um, yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    why is this stuff that matters ?

    1. Re:um, yeah by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To begin with, to help all fellow nerds to understand that terms such as "cybernetics", "algorithm" or even "program" are not directly related to microchip-based modern computers. The term cyber- is often foolishly interpreted as "something computerlike" (especially in media buzzwords such as cyberporn or cyberbusiness) while it comes from ancient Greek (kybernetikos) and means actually "steering". I think it's good for any nerd worth its name to abstract sometimes from modern computer hardware and think of the whole theory of steering and algorithms in its pure form.

      By the way: since pornography comes also from ancient Greek and means "depiction of a whore", cyberporn literally could be translated to "steering whore". Hmmmmm...

    2. Re:um, yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      algorithm comes from some arabic dude who was good at counting ;)
      after reading that, i wonder if i could patent the algorithm that allows you to 'join' any two numbers to get the sum of those numbers :)

    3. Re:um, yeah by rts008 · · Score: 1

      "steering whore" Sounds like what I need for my bassboat! Oh yeah, and a "cooler Ho" to fetch me berrs! Hmmmm...*wakes up from daydream*

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    4. Re:um, yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a bait bitch too ? You pig.

  4. But... by LostCauz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's in Jersey...

    1. Re:But... by Politburo · · Score: 1, Troll

      It's okay. We don't want you here anyway. Same with the mod that marked this 'insightful'.

    2. Re:But... by databyss · · Score: 1

      kinda... New Jersey is where the garbage from NY goes on vacation in the summer.

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    3. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're from Long Island -- that's way worse than NJ. LI is New York's wang!

    4. Re:But... by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Wow! First time I've seen cultural center and New Jersey in the same sentence, and not joking! I guess some people really are that easy to please! Go figure.

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  5. queue the NDFA jokes by wwest4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonderd if they have the skeleton of that little person they used in that automagic chess "machine?"

  6. Obviously Incomplete... by PornMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's got to be incomplete without an animatronic bear playing banjo and singing, "It's a small world after all."

  7. Mechanical Toys... by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Funny


    Sounds like the DoD procurement department.

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  8. Automata? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm assuming they're finite state, otherwise that would make for a rather surreal museum experience.

    1. Re:Automata? by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 1

      I hope they're not deterministic though, that would make for a boring museum experience.

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  9. Award? by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

    Don't you have to win a reward?
    Sounds more like they were just willed this stuff to show case.

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  10. I've seen some of this on display by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

    In Ironforge, near Tinker Town. They have a mechaniod museum there with some interesting exhibits. I stopped in there before making another linen run - man I've been playing too much WoW since it came out last week...

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  11. Thats how it starts by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sept 27 2007 the little drummer boy becomes self aware

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    1. Re:Thats how it starts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Panicked, the government tries to pull the plug. In response, LDB unleashes his reprogrammed army of Taiwanese-made wind-up cymbal monkeys, reprogrammed for one purpose - the destruction of mankind.

    2. Re:Thats how it starts by kabocox · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sept 27 2007 the little drummer boy becomes self aware

      Not to worry, all little drummer boys are defenseless, cute and not self ware by definition. IF they do gain self awarness, the first thing that they do is complain to their mom about how much of a dork that they look in the little drummer outfit. Instead of seeking the destruction of man kind, the self ware drummer boy well be seeking more stylish clothes.

    3. Re:Thats how it starts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pa rum pum pum pum, mother fucker

  12. York Museum of Automata by makomk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    York in England used to have a museum of automata which I went to once, the York Museum of Automata, but it closed down - back in 1996, apparently. I wonder what happened to its collection - there were some impressive pieces...

  13. Boing Boing by Forthan+Red · · Score: 1

    This was posted 2 days ago on Boing Boing.

    1. Re:Boing Boing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here. Do you see any original content here? Everything here was 'posted' somewhere else before it was posted here. THATS HOW IT WORKS, SEE ?!?!

  14. Hmm by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Funny
    The fine folks over at realdoll.com need to take a gander at this place.

    Get moving, boys. We're wating for our sexbots.

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  15. Re:Oh No! by rooijan · · Score: 1

    Not to rain on your parade or anything, but flautist is a perfectly good synonym for flutist.

    Seriously though, a music playing ring does seem pretty bling-bling. An ancient cow-herders song is unlikely to impress the ladies though...

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  16. Am I the only one... by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that looked at the title and thought "Cool! An interview with Hopcroft and Ullman."

    Then I click and see the doll dusting the picture, and I go mad Cthluthlu-style.

  17. Very amazing by segmond · · Score: 1

    Whever I look at those automatons, I can't help but think robotics and programming. The drums encoded the music and all. I wondered how much this inspired automata theory in computer science... I wonder if learning about automatons and watch making will give one an edge in robotics making today.

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    1. Re:Very amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. 700 instruments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I demonstrate this concept at www.distortionfile.com

  19. V.I.K.I. Calling by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    mechanical musical instruments and automata

    And on the next USR download, they will take over the world!

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  20. Whereas today, they use computers,... by Eternally+optimistic · · Score: 1

    hey, some of this compares favourably to what the music industry wants us to buy

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  21. Where is Vicki? by samberdoo · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they have all those wind-up and battery powered toys that were popular in the 50's and 60's. Go Robbie!

  22. Ah, Automata . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a geek, I always found the Automata fascinating, even from my youngest days. It was the science, it was the art, and it was the sheer ambition and talent that it took to create these things that amazed me. Art that moves and acts, science in motion.

    I'm glad to see this and hope I can visit it. It's always good to understand one's technical past.

    I wonder if there will be a museum of programming some day? Will there be ancient systems running Half-Life? Will people marvel that a PS2 could "do all that when it was so prmitive", etc. Will we, crotchey old geeks, go there and reminisce?

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    1. Re:Ah, Automata . . . by chelecossais · · Score: 0

      thats a given. plus ça change...

  23. Holy crap by hoborocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jeez, a "vibrant educational and cultural center in New Jersey"? I live ~5 minutes from there...went to church right around the corner for a while...

    I'd hardly call it a "vibrant" anything! Well, they did have a Harley exhibit once, it was pretty cool....but it's such a small place. I guess then it's fitting that they have these small objects for show :-)

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    1. Re:Holy crap by taradfong · · Score: 1

      Did you expect them to describe it as a "Lame, depressing, uninteresting place you'd never want to bother visiting unless you live ~5 minutes away" ?

      Seriously, though, Morristown is great! I used to always go to the Calaloo(sp?) cafe, and you had a killer record store in the center of town.

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    2. Re:Holy crap by hoborocks · · Score: 1

      yeah, it's a great town! just...the museum's sorta a joke, y'know? i mean it's a good shot for a local, small museum...but "global, cultural mecca"? nahh....:-)

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    3. Re:Holy crap by OldSchool · · Score: 0

      I was at Calaloo Cafe this past Sat nite for dinner and a comedy show. Dinner was great -- comedy mostly sucked. And you're probably thinking of Scotti's record shop.

  24. Arts and Metiers in Paris has a couple of rooms by HWheel · · Score: 1

    The Musee des Arts and Metiers in Paris (France!) has a couple of rooms of automata. They show the objects and have movies of them working.
    http://www.paris.org/Musees/Arts.Metiers /info.html

  25. see also by duckHole · · Score: 1

    DeBence Antique Music World has some great stuff along the same lines... and an antique website to match.

  26. Gibson Neuromancer Connection by taradfong · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Did anyone else wonder if they'd have an extremely elaborate mechanical head that would somehow explain the Neuromancer story?

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  27. interesting... by torrents · · Score: 1

    next time i'm in nj i'll (nevermind).... atlantic city wins again.

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  28. Recordings of my and a friend's automatic pianos! by Thomas+Henden · · Score: 0

    Actually, player pianos can sound really cool, and they are NOT obsolete antiques from the past.
    The sound is completely real, even better than the most costly surround system that ever excisted.

    That is, if you tune the piano and restore the inner workings correctly, of course, in addition to being a good pianolist.

    The automatic mechanism operates via a complex maze of vacuum hoses, valves and pneumatics (small bellows) and the piano roll which contains holes read by a tracker bar which tell small pneumatics when to collapse, which in order, moves the keys of the regular piano, something which is further illustrated and explained here.
    Nearly all player pianos can be played by hand as a regular piano by the way. One interesting detail is that on European pianos, the keys often don't move when the player plays automatically, while on most of the american ones, the keys move like we see in those western movies. Some pianos have electrical driven pumps, most others have foot pedals - mine has both! Pianos with food pedals are very easy to pump, if they are in tight working condition!

    Here are a some examples of high quality mp3 recordings of two old pianos, one Stroud pianola residing in an art café, called Thomasgaarden in the old norwegian copper mining town Røros and my own Weber Pianola !

    Lion Tamer Rag Artcraft roll played on the Weber piano
    Frühlingsrauschen by the norwegian composer Christian Sinding. Aeolian roll played on the Stroud piano
    American Patrol Aeolian roll played on the Stroud piano
    Chicago March Artcraft roll played on the Weber piano
    Can-can Some old noname roll played on the Stroud piano

    And yes, I also recorded St. Lois Blues and Tiger Rag when I visited that café last summer.

    One should notice that even if the Stroud pianola is somewhat untuned, its tone is quite better than mine, which sounds more like a perfectly tuned home piano ready for taking those boring piano lessons. But guess what - there no more boring piano lessons to take when you have an automatic piano!

    And if I need more rolls, My friend Douglas Henderson, who is the mastermind behind Artcraft still supplies newly made rolls!

    Artcraft is by the way a one man business where the rolls are made the hard way with this amazing punching equipment.

    Here are some pictures of the inside of my piano - and yes, I should long ago made a home page with these pictures.

    Did you by the way get distracted by the LGB train on top of my Weber piano?

    Anyway - here are some more pictures from the inside of the piano too, here's the wind motor which pulls the roll and the