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Top Ten Persistent Design Flaws

jlouderb writes "Bruce Tognazzini former human interface evangalist at Apple, and currently a principal at web design firm Neilsen Norman Group has begun cataloging the top ten design computing flaws that we just live with with, but shouldn't have to. Only seven are found at his article, and (not surprisingly) three are Mac related. My favorite: the mysteriously dimmed menu options. Why are those darned things grey anyway?"

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  1. add one more by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

    /. effect

  2. The #1 Design Flaw by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not adding enough coolant to prevent the web server from melting down due to the /. effect.

  3. It Seems by Locdonan · · Score: 1, Funny

    that the option to view this article is greyed out.

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  4. Persistent Design Flaw I Find Annoying... by Paster+Of+Muppets · · Score: 2, Funny

    The bit where it says "(c) Microsoft"

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    1. Re:Persistent Design Flaw I Find Annoying... by guitaristx · · Score: 2, Funny

      bit? Thats like 13 Bytes.

      No wonder there are so many buffer overrun problems in MS software. "(c) Microsoft" should be 14 bytes (with the null terminator).

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  5. Not forgetting.... by Seft · · Score: 2, Funny

    KDE (gets coat)

  6. Dimmed menus by Sebby · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, dimmed menus are a heck of a lot better than hidden ones, a la Windows (with the stupid down arrow thingy you have to click to have everything show), which is totally counter-productive (typical Windows) instead of actually being helpful. I'd like to punch the person that thought that stupid thing up.

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    1. Re:Dimmed menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd like to punch the person that thought that stupid thing up.

      His name is Joe and he lives at 103 East Livingston Street. While you're at it, kick him in the o-hos once for me for breaking my X-Wing fighter in the 5th grade.

  7. 10 persisting people design flaws by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Funny

    #1-Removing power from a device that maintains his information on devices run by power (i.e. RAM)
    #2-Thinking that computers do "magic", or at least should do to not have design flaws
    #3
    #4
    #5
    #6
    #7
    #8
    #9
    #10- Making top ten list without having 10 things to list

    1. Re:10 persisting people design flaws by 3770 · · Score: 5, Funny

      #11 Profit

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  8. Re:Number 5 by Kenja · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Firefox already does that. Type "barnes and noble" in to your address bar. It'll take you to barnesandnoble.com."

    And what if you wanted a picture tour of the barns of british nobility?

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  9. Design flaw #11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Not scaling up your webserver.

  10. Design flaw # 11 by adolfojp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Design flaw #11

    Using very large golden gradient shadowed GIFs each worth over 4K to represent the numbers 1 - 10 in a "Top Ten Persistent Design Flaws" webpage. It not only looks ugly, makes the website slower consuming more bandwidth, but it also takes away a good chunk of the left side of the page.

    Cheers,
    Adolfo

  11. Re:Number 5 by josecanuc · · Score: 2, Funny
    And what if you wanted a picture tour of the barns of british nobility?

    I bet the bookstore might have something like that in its stock... ;-)

  12. He has such a hard on about the Dock by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    Bug Name: Tog's raging hard on over the Dock.

    Duration: [in years]: seems like a thousand centuries ago...

    Supplier: Tog

    Alias: "I have no concept of the difference between objective and subjective usability complaints."

    Product: Tog's parents.

    Bug: Tog's perceptual abilities.

    Class of error: Intellectualy density.

    Principle: "My opinions are holy."

    Proposed Fix: Zoloft

    Discussion: Some of the things he lists as flaws in the Dock are things that I acutally like about the Dock. It's a very subjective thing. Some of the things he laments losing from Mac OS 9 were not the bee's knees he seems to imagine they were. He was just used to them, is all.

    Bug first observed: Can't check the date on the original Dock whinefest because his site is slashdotted. It happened some time after Tog ceased to be relevant.

    Observer: Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law

    Bug reported to supplier: No. No point. You cannot argue with self-proclaimed learned wisemen.

    Bug on list since: Whinefest first published.

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  13. Re:I agree on the dimmed menus by BlizzyMadden · · Score: 4, Funny

    My company actually does this as a marketing ploy. We add disabled items to our menus for options that don't even exist yet. When customers call to ask how to enable these options, we tell them that they need to buy a future upgrade.

  14. Principles and lunches by RealProgrammer · · Score: 5, Funny
    • But when I read " Principle: The user is in charge and should be free to carry out any activity at any time without fear of reprisals" I just about lost my lunch.

    It appears that everyone is guilty of having a framework. This guy, you, me, everyone. We think that what we experience in the world, and what we think about it, is all there is. We're all pretty small, even the wisest of us.

    In this case, a Mac guy says the user is in charge, and thinks it's a law of nature.

    Microsoft treats users as a renewable resource, to be used and reused as needed.

    We Unix types, on the other hand, know that users are an unfortunate side effect.

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    1. Re:Principles and lunches by piaqt · · Score: 2, Funny
      We Unix types, on the other hand, know that users are an unfortunate side effect.
      ....which makes the cure worse than the disease.
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  15. Re:Some of these things are valid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've always thought word processors were not intuitive. When I bought my first computer I wanted to write a letter but when I tried to use my pen on the monitor the ballpoint doesn't seem to work. I tried a sharpie and things were going fine until I needed to undo the marks I made on the monitor. The stupid computer didn't remove those sharpie marks. In fact, it didn't seem to do anything! Then I tried talking to the computer and it still didn't do anything ("Hello, computer?"). Oh, you have to use that flat thing with letters? Ok, will do. Hmm... I press a key and it show on the screen but the printer doesn't print it. Oh... now you tell me that I have to click on the print button? Ok. Wait... I can't do it with my finger on the screen? What a user unfriendly hunk of metal and plastic!

    BTW, that was sarcasm. I 100% agree that learning to use a computer is exactly that, learning. If someone can learn what traffic signs mean, I think they can learn to use a computer.

  16. Oberammergaueralpenkräuterdelikatessenfr.. by apankrat · · Score: 2, Funny
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  17. Re:Some of these things are valid... by JungleBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    To quote someone whom I can't remember:

    "The nipple is the ONLY intuitive interface. After that, it's all learned"

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  18. Re:Power Failure Crash... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know if it was meant to be that way,
    but I love the free-verse format of your post.
    Really, all /. posts
    and main article submissions!
    should be done that way.
    The editors might do something then.

    Mel would've liked that.

  19. Re:DC supply in the case? It's been done. by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know why it didn't become a fairly standard accessory.

    Because it would cost money.

    Seriously though, I wonder if this guy also bitches about the fact that his car stops when he runs out of gas.

  20. Re:I agree on the dimmed menus by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Funny

    The option should just be removed from the menu altogether. Sure, that would lead to users getting confused and looking through all of the other menus to find the option they were sure was there yesterday, but it would satisfy the author of the article, I'm sure.

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  21. Re:On the Written Word by Eternally+optimistic · · Score: 4, Funny

    hey, Italians don't even seperate spoken words with pauses when they have something to say

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  22. Re:From that mysterious text called the article: by forrestt · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can see it now. You click on a "grayed-out" option and you get another window that pops up saying:

    Wanted to try the grayed out option but thought it was way too expensive for you?
    You can do that now! Grayed out option at only $1.90 per use.
    Your best deals are HERE
    You have enjoyed other options and wish for a different effect? Grayed out option can make it happen.
    UNBELIEVABLE! GRAYED OUT OPTION AT ONLY $1.90 PER USE
    Say NO! to all those other options and your disappointment after "a messed up use". You don't have to be content with the standard results of a regular option. Get GRAYED OUT OPTION now to ensure the whole day of joyful computing.
    You should at least give it a try. Especially when we offer large discounts for bulk orders and make incredible deals for returning customers. Get grayed out option now!!!

  23. Re:Number 5 by mjpaci · · Score: 2, Funny

    nslookup newyorktimes.com
    NAME: newyorktimes.com
    ADDRESS: 199.239.137.217

    go to http://newyorktimes.com and it redirects you to nytimes.com...

    I am being pulled in by a troll, aren't I?

  24. Re:Some of these things are valid... by Feanturi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Proving that no matter how simple you make something, there are still going to be dumbasses that can't figure it out. It would be interesting to see a comparative study of these nipple-impaired babies as they grow up, and whether they eventually get jobs at Microsoft.

  25. Re:In My Book... by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
    Why do I need to be told I have a new text message when I'm on the phone? Can't that wait until I hang up?

    No... You have to be connected to everything, all the time, everywhere. You're not living life to the fullest until you have a cell phone which allows you to do the following...

    Talk on the phone

    Play video games

    Send and receive text messages

    Track your global position

    Surf the internet

    Watch video

    Check voice mails

    Listn to MP3's

    Receive satellite radio

    ... all at the same time. Just have a couple more espressos and you'll be able to handle it just fine, too about about not being able to sleep at night, though...

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  26. Re:Duh! Award Nominee by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had the same problem once; it vexed me for two days until I just pressed the return key at the password prompt.

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  27. Re:MOD UP Re:Some of these things are valid... by Fred+Foobar · · Score: 1, Funny
    oh just dangle the baby over the balcony

    So Michael Jackson is a Mac user? He just thought the baby would eject?

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  28. Re:I agree on the dimmed menus by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wasn't aware it was so slow on a Mac. In Windows or Linux, it is pretty much instantenous on any reasonably modern system.

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  29. Re:ejecting disks by arose · · Score: 2, Funny

    RTFM.

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  30. Re:I agree on the dimmed menus by legirons · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The option should just be removed from the menu altogether. Sure, that would lead to users getting confused..."

    No, if you really want to confuse the user, simply create the menu dynamically, picking 6 items apparently at random to put on the menu. Microsoft can't be wrong here, they have user-interface guidelines and everything. After a few seconds, when the user has had time to read most of the menu items, change them again, this time picking 12 items at random.

    If you can, use two columns, and put an animation in so that the menu takes half a second to appear.

  31. Re:On the Written Word by mjpaci · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're supposed to watch the hands for clues.

  32. Re:ejecting disks by nospmiS+remoH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought you just right cli... oh, wait. WTF is wrong with this mouse?

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  33. Re:MOD UP Re:Some of these things are valid... by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 4, Funny

    On second thought, I suppose we could stop our computers by dragging the start button to the trash...

  34. Re:Some of these things are valid... by fishbot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would you need to be taught to suckle your laptop keyboard?

    Oh, wait.. that kind of nipple..

  35. Eleventh October by Nurgled · · Score: 2, Funny

    The ELEVENTH October in 2004? Wow! October has been busy this year.

  36. Re:ejecting disks by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Funny
    And the unlabeled foot pedals hanging underneath of a car dashboard do what now?

    Man, I so know what you mean. Yesterday I clicked on this random icon to see what it did and my iBook threw me through a crowded shopping centre at 90mph killing 41 school kids and some guy selling baloons.

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  37. Re:*applaud* by mvdw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, and what a, erm, cyan, too. And he's a bit of a magenta, methinks.

  38. Re:Some of these things are valid... by JeremyALogan · · Score: 2, Funny

    you mean babies use those things too?

  39. Re:Some of these things are valid... by unitron · · Score: 2, Funny
    "It is being -rewarded- when you suck that causes you to begin to learn that you can get nourishment from it."

    Which also explains a lot about Microsoft.

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